Fellow warriors. I want to help newbies but not sure if this is the right way

by Maddi
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Hey Warriors, Just had this idea but thought to bounce it off a few warriors to find out your views before diving in head first.

We always see newbies popping here all the time that wanna make it online, have a great product idea, may be have the eBook written too but cos of lack of funds they don't want to buy hosting and can't afford a minisite design and stuff like that.

I have been there myself and heck I still suffer from lack of funding for a great product Idea I come with that requires some investment [think getting a software created n the sort] but I am doing well for myself and progressed quite a lot in the past few months and owe a lot to the help and advice I received from the warrior forum.

Now I wanna do mini-sites and hosting for struggling newbies but need ideas and opinions from you. So help me help some fellow warriors man. What do you think of this? May have some terms and conditions for them so that I don't get every wanna-be marketeer pming me and killing my time.

May be require them to have the product ready? Ask for revenue share? so only serious warriors come forward and It may be worthwhile for me too long term? Let me know your ideas guys and also if you wanna be a part of this.

Regards,
Maddi.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwayne Pressley
    Why not try offering it a price that can help struggling newbies and if you seem to be getting overwhelmed with work, go up on your prices, until you are satisfied with the amount of return you are getting for your time!
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    If I offer these services at a price it will become sort of selling if you know what I mean. How about revenue share of the product?

    This will help people with no start up money in hand and make it worthwhile for me as I will earn from it long term. Which newbie will have a killer product idea you never know.

    May be put some kind of contract? and only choose products which I see potential in?

    Thanks for your reply though

    Cheers
    Maddi
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    • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
      Originally Posted by Maddi View Post

      If I offer these services at a price it will become sort of selling if you know what I mean. How about revenue share of the product?

      This will help people with no start up money in hand and make it worthwhile for me as I will earn from it long term. Which newbie will have a killer product idea you never know.

      May be put some kind of contract? and only choose products which I see potential in?

      Thanks for your reply though

      Cheers
      Maddi
      I asked a while ago if anyone does something similar when I was only a few weeks old...I still have extremely limited funds but if someone offered to help me get set up I wouldn't complain about 20%

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      It is far better than 100% of nothing.

      I have $200 in second life that I cannot take out due to paypal issues, pity no one here wants Lindens lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Maddi
        Originally Posted by Rickling View Post

        Ok I'm a newbie been at in like 6 months and like 2 or 3 in the net side of it haven't made a cent yet what exactly are you offereing? If what you offer is good and will help me and yourself of course I'll be definitely be interested and willing to pay its value/worth?
        Rick.
        Please refer to the starting post of this thread. I'm not offering much but precisely speaking I was planning to offer hostings services and possibly minisite graphics to give newbies short of cash and techy knowledge a head start.

        Originally Posted by Sparhawke View Post

        I asked a while ago if anyone does something similar when I was only a few weeks old...I still have extremely limited funds but if someone offered to help me get set up I wouldn't complain about 20%

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        It is far better than 100% of nothing.

        I have $200 in second life that I cannot take out due to paypal issues, pity no one here wants Lindens lol
        By the thread you have pointed out, I can't really understand what YOU are gonna do? I'm not mocking you or anything but just trying getter a clear idea of what is it that you need.

        Say I provide you hosting of the site yea? what is that you are prepared to bring to the table?

        Have you got a product? in the process of making one? Please provide details.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sparhawke
          Originally Posted by Maddi View Post

          By the thread you have pointed out, I can't really understand what YOU are gonna do? I'm not mocking you or anything but just trying getter a clear idea of what is it that you need.

          Say I provide you hosting of the site yea? what is that you are prepared to bring to the table?

          Have you got a product? in the process of making one? Please provide details.
          I was only a couple of weeks old at that point so wasn't really sure what I needed...maybe it was my screwed up way of asking for a mentor, I am doing alright now though...almost about to get my second site online which I have far more confidence about that my first as I made a classic newbie mistake of going into a niche that there really is not that much to talk about in keywords lol

          So no, I don't really need anything right now, it was just an idea that I was wondering at the start, one that I thought might've had some potential.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    please don't pm regarding coaching as for now i'm only looking into offering mini-site designs and hosting solutions for newbies who have start up cost problems.

    And that too is not decided yet which is the reason for this thread to gather advice :-)

    Don't have time enough to offer anything else at the moment.
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      If people email you and say that they can't afford hosting, they ain't worth your time since obviously they ain't prepared to work an extra hour a month and get that 5 bucks needed for hosting. In my opinion, the best way to help a newbie is just point them in the right direction, don't take away the financial side of it, once you do that, they won't do nothing with it since the is no consequence if they fail.

      Why does anyone need a mini site created? Wordpress is free and the amount of free templates out there is insane.

      As I said earlier, it's more beneficial to a newbie explaining the tools needed and showing them how to use them.
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  • Profile picture of the author sober
    It is also possible for a newbie to choose free hosting from many offers at freewebhostingtalk.com . Hosting isn't that much of a problem in my opinion. If things turn out well, he can move files to a paid host and they will usually transfer the files for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author pragun06
    You'll definitely need to have a system wherein you filter the requests mate. Otherwise you're just going to get bombarded with requests for products which have no potential at all, or by people who're just trying to get the most out of a free service.

    I'd say filter the applications and promote the ones that you like, and have a contract where you also get some money, and that can be on a profit sharing basis, which i'm sure will help a lot of newbies make it big..

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  • Profile picture of the author joe.marsh
    You have a good idea if it something you want to do. There are plenty of newbies out there.

    You cool offer hosting and a domain name for 10$ per month. That way they have a financial stake in the game and then them being in your site and program could be included and then you also get paid through a revenue share.

    I have a friend who does the revenue share deal for 10% of what they do and he coaches them... BUT he does not do the work for them. They have to do it themselves.

    If they waste his time he limits their access to him.

    You will find that in reality 1-5 out of 100 will actually do something.

    Most people are lazy and wont stick it out until they reach success.

    Good luck.

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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    People are different - when they put THEIR OWN money on the line, they get this extra "push" to work the extra mile. They can and will probably slack off. It's what separates the successful people and the not-yet-successful ones, taking action.

    They will come up with reasons as to why spending $10 per month is too expensive and just killing them. They probably want to procrastinate.

    But, good luck with your idea, though!

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  • Profile picture of the author IMChick
    Great idea, maybe hold a contest for newbies asking them to all post a goal, question, etc. in an open thread. Offer one on one coaching on a limited basis as the first place prize or something close to your minisite ideas.

    I have found that 'free' is not a concept with value. In other words, people must pay something or the value is not there.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I think it's nice that you want to help people, but doing for a revenue share probably isn't going to bring you any money because just having the hosting and website is not enough.

    I don't care if it's the best product in the world, but if there is no traffic, there will be no revenue. So, unless you are going to help them get traffic too, then your probably better off just choosing however many people you want to help a month and just giving them the site and hosting.

    Unless, you would stipulate in your contract that they must do certain things to promote the site. Such as write so many articles, or spend so much on PPC (oh, wait, they don't have enough for hosting so I guess PPC is out).

    Sorry to sound like a negative nellie, but I think the traffic is the big piece missing here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
      I agree with a lot of what's being said here.

      I think you should offer your services at a price, which you can make as cheap as you feel comfortable. If newbies are trying to get started, they need to be willing to spend a *little* money on the proper tools they need.

      Plus, when you put a dollar amount on your service, it will be perceived as more valuable and the newbies that do come to you will take it more seriously. If you make it free, you'll get a ton of people who will try it out just to see if it will help them succeed without them doing any work.

      So charge a price, and that will filter out all the non-serious newbies out there. Even $5 will make someone take it a bit more seriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    Some great ideas and points you all make here and they did clear some things I had in mind. Having the newbie have some kind of financial stake in it is definitely the way to to not only filter out serious from non serious people but also to motivate them to take action.

    However, If I charge for the services upfront such as a monthly fee [and as some of you have suggested to help them with traffic and possibly coaching] then what would be different here? Like there is so many coaching programs and membership sites going on if you know what I mean.

    Then my offer will simply sound like something I am selling and not exactly a helping hand.

    Some of you have referred to have some kind of contracts in place. Could you please point out to where I could get the contracts from? It would make it quite easy to plan out what I am offering after having a look at the contract.

    Thanks all for your replies I really appreciate it.

    Regards,
    Maddi.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nic Lynn
    Go to the JV section and do a listing for your services in exchange for a rev share arrangement. However, it will take more than a good product and great hosting and a great website to get things going. Someone is going to have to get affiliates and/or drive traffic. Also, I'd be highly suspect of someone that has a great ebook or software, but can't manage the $10 bucks it would cost to get a year of hosting (on sale at someplace like Dreamhost) and figure out how to put up a great looking (and free) WP template.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    You are right Nic. I'm slowly getting disappointed in this idea :-(

    Ah well... don't know what to do to help. I guess I'll may be make a product around it but then it would just be selling again...
    *off to brainstorming*

    but keep them suggestions coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    That's an interesting idea Maddi and so sweet of you too :-) I don't think I know enough about this stuff yet to help you with suggestions on how to help someone else while protecting your valuable time and efforts. If I can think of something though I will let you know as it is a sweet idea :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    Thanks Kella with this thread alone I've had newbies contacting me. The problem with them is they haven't actually read through and things that they are asking require more time on my part[free]

    I look forward to your suggestions though.

    Maddi
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingSPY
    Originally Posted by Maddi View Post

    Hey Warriors, Just had this idea but thought to bounce it off a few warriors to find out your views before diving in head first.

    We always see newbies popping here all the time that wanna make it online, have a great product idea, may be have the eBook written too but cos of lack of funds they don't want to buy hosting and can't afford a minisite design and stuff like that.

    I have been there myself and heck I still suffer from lack of funding for a great product Idea I come with that requires some investment [think getting a software created n the sort] but I am doing well for myself and progressed quite a lot in the past few months and owe a lot to the help and advice I received from the warrior forum.

    Now I wanna do mini-sites and hosting for struggling newbies but need ideas and opinions from you. So help me help some fellow warriors man. What do you think of this? May have some terms and conditions for them so that I don't get every wanna-be marketeer pming me and killing my time.

    May be require them to have the product ready? Ask for revenue share? so only serious warriors come forward and It may be worthwhile for me too long term? Let me know your ideas guys and also if you wanna be a part of this.

    Regards,
    Maddi.
    There is a famous "Guru" who provides coaching in return for revenue share - however, you must make sure your client will perform the duties necessary to bring in traffic and will seriously manage his/her business because now your income depends on it. This particular "guru" often says he has never used a contract - he takes people at their word and has never had a problem. Simply back up your agreement in an email explaining what both parties expect so nobody forgets.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    Hi Maddi I think profit sharing is a great idea but as a lot of gurus point out - just take the money you require form some other fund - like not buying lunch ever day or cutting back on the amount of coffee you buy or give up going out for your one night a week. There are always ways that if people think about it for long enough they can see where they can save money on one thing to allow them to pursue their internet dream .
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  • Profile picture of the author Rickling
    Originally Posted by Maddi View Post

    Hey Warriors, Just had this idea but thought to bounce it off a few warriors to find out your views before diving in head first.

    We always see newbies popping here all the time that wanna make it online, have a great product idea, may be have the eBook written too but cos of lack of funds they don't want to buy hosting and can't afford a minisite design and stuff like that.

    I have been there myself and heck I still suffer from lack of funding for a great product Idea I come with that requires some investment [think getting a software created n the sort] but I am doing well for myself and progressed quite a lot in the past few months and owe a lot to the help and advice I received from the warrior forum.

    Now I wanna do mini-sites and hosting for struggling newbies but need ideas and opinions from you. So help me help some fellow warriors man. What do you think of this? May have some terms and conditions for them so that I don't get every wanna-be marketeer pming me and killing my time.

    May be require them to have the product ready? Ask for revenue share? so only serious warriors come forward and It may be worthwhile for me too long term? Let me know your ideas guys and also if you wanna be a part of this.

    Regards,
    Maddi.
    Ok I'm a newbie been at in like 6 months and like 2 or 3 in the net side of it haven't made a cent yet what exactly are you offereing? If what you offer is good and will help me and yourself of course I'll be definitely be interested and willing to pay its value/worth?
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Hi Maddi - I know from experience with running computer classes that people don't value what they don't pay for. I once was asked to run a funded course which was free to students. I said before we started that I thought not charging was a mistake. People simply weren't motivated to turn up.

    My usual approach when running courses (funded and privately) was always that if someone genuinely couldn't pay, I simply enrolled them and didn't charge. It only happened 3 times.

    All the people who are PMing you are "takers" - they are emotional energy sinks. People who, sadly, we see a lot of on here who are are saying "give me, give me, tell me, tell me". They want YOU to do the work and don't realise they they have to work hard to succeed.

    Sadly, as with all jobs, not everyone is suited to IM - just as not everyone can be a doctor or a gardener or a shop assistant.

    An idea - watch the newbies on this board - see what they are saying and who seems to be just wanting everything done for them and who seems to be genuinely struggling but willing to help themselves. Then PM those who you believe are genuine and offer them a free minisite and hosting.

    Remember though, that Blogger is free. I still have Blogger sites. I know it's not ideal as they can be taken down at any time, but they are free and a great way for a newbie to learn about running a website and all that it entails.
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    • Profile picture of the author Maddi
      Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

      Hi Maddi - I know from experience with running computer classes that people don't value what they don't pay for. I once was asked to run a funded course which was free to students. I said before we started that I thought not charging was a mistake. People simply weren't motivated to turn up.

      My usual approach when running courses (funded and privately) was always that if someone genuinely couldn't pay, I simply enrolled them and didn't charge. It only happened 3 times.

      All the people who are PMing you are "takers" - they are emotional energy sinks. People who, sadly, we see a lot of on here who are are saying "give me, give me, tell me, tell me". They want YOU to do the work and don't realise they they have to work hard to succeed.

      Sadly, as with all jobs, not everyone is suited to IM - just as not everyone can be a doctor or a gardener or a shop assistant.

      An idea - watch the newbies on this board - see what they are saying and who seems to be just wanting everything done for them and who seems to be genuinely struggling but willing to help themselves. Then PM those who you believe are genuine and offer them a free minisite and hosting.

      Remember though, that Blogger is free. I still have Blogger sites. I know it's not ideal as they can be taken down at any time, but they are free and a great way for a newbie to learn about running a website and all that it entails.
      I appreciate your input and some good points you made there.

      That is exactly what i'm looking for that a newbie should have an initiative, and willing to help himself/herself not relying on me completely and that is the reason that I chose graphics and hosting on my part as it doesn't take up much on my time and the rest is upto the newbie.

      Someone who wants everything set up for him is not exactly willing to learn or implement and is going to be a complete waste of time.

      Thanks for your comments,

      Regards
      Maddi
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      • Profile picture of the author Jessica Martinez
        It's a really good idea, but I agree with others who've said that you'll want to establish some really easy to read terms of service so you protect yourself.

        The product share idea is a good one and if you're doing all the work for them, I would make it a 50/50 profit share. Also, you might want to think about having a step by step application process whereby you can take the time you need to decide if you want to promote a product.

        One of the things you can ask on the application is why they think you should help them promote their info product. You'll be able to weed out a lot of the losers just by reading their reasons for wanting your help.

        Good luck with it. I admire your good-hearted nature to help those new to internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oviedo83
    Hi Maddi,

    I am a newbie, but I have everything - hosting, websites, products (ebooks, videos, etc with sales pages). I have just signed with Aweber. Coach me and we will share 50/50. Please let me know by emailing me at lolo@alkrimel.com.

    Oviedo83
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  • Profile picture of the author Maddi
    Oviedo83 pm sent.

    sparhawke if you need any help give me a shout and I'll see what I can for you.

    Thanks all for your responses
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