This is what I got from one of my subscribers

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Hey check out this email I got from one of my subscribers.

"This is total bs! All you gurus talk about is how you make money and it's
making me sick. I fu*ing hate you all mothe*kers! Scammers! I have tried all
the systems you guys promote and nothing works. I am going to make sure to
report everyone of you to scam.com and all other scam sites. From now on I
am going to mark all your emails as spam and do everything to blacklist your
links that you send out. I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

I really don't know what to say to a person like that.

This just tells me that people are getting burned out. I haven't been even
promoting anything lately and this guy obviously is just mad about all the
emails he gets from other marketers.

I told him nicely to unsubscribe
#subscribers
  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    Maybe I have a twisted sense of humour, but I find this kind of stuff hilarious

    Unfortunately though, this person is wasting their time, as they do not seem to have what it takes to be successful online.
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    • Profile picture of the author affhelper
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      Maybe I have a twisted sense of humour, but I find this kind of stuff hilarious

      Unfortunately though, this person is wasting their time, as they do not seem to have what it takes to be successful online.
      I agree with you. What's bad is the fact that now he is going to be posting all kinds of bad stuff about people that are not even true. I hate this kind of negativity.

      Just because he is not making any money he is going to try to make others miserable at the same time.... LOL typical
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

        I agree with you. What's bad is the fact that now he is going to be posting all kinds of bad stuff about people that are not even true. I hate this kind of negativity.
        He may do that a few times, but he'll burn out fast. An attitude like that is poison, he'll tire of himself soon enough.

        In the meantime, print out his email and put it in the bottom of your birdcage, catbox, or some other appropriate sewage receptacle.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      Maybe I have a twisted sense of humour, but I find this kind of stuff hilarious

      Unfortunately though, this person is wasting their time, as they do not seem to have what it takes to be successful online.
      Agreed! IM isn't for everyone. It sounds as though this guy thinks the "guru's" owe him something. It can be a long slow process and there are many avenues one can go down but this guy obviously didn't find one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      Maybe I have a twisted sense of humour, but I find this kind of stuff hilarious

      Unfortunately though, this person is wasting their time, as they do not seem to have what it takes to be successful online.
      True,

      This guy doesn't have the right attitude to make money and so he never will (I am 90% sure about that) and he needs to stop wasting his time online.
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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    I think you did the right thing, just tell him to unsubscribe.

    We know that most people who try to make money online fail, and there is no doubt that this guy belongs to this group. So I don't think you can do something to help him.


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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Uhhh ..cant you just apologize that he is having such a hard time, and that YOU personally will take the time to unsub him, and that you might appreciate the business he might have given you, and politely wish him all the best.

      Next ....
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      • Profile picture of the author davesharp
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Uhhh ..cant you just apologize that he is having such a hard time, and that YOU personally will take the time to unsub him, and that you might appreciate the business he might have given you, and politely wish him all the best.

        Next ....
        This is a good line to take, the last thing we want to do is feed his negativity.

        Looking deeper into what he is saying I find it a little bit sad that he has spent and lost money. I know his attitude sucks and that you have to make things work for yourself but some of the sales copy that we receive from marketers does tell us otherwise, both you and I know that we should know better but some folk believe it all. I know I did when I first started!

        Don't forget that there is so much crap being sold as well, from the so-called gurus, and this makes it a lot harder for the rest of us who are trying to run our businesses with honesty and integrity.

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        • Profile picture of the author Hanz
          I'm subscribed to a lot of marketers and as I had already mentioned in another thread, I was bombarded with 2 emails from the same marketer in a single hour with 2 different offers. Things like this hurt everybody in IM, including the ones who have good intentions.
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            • Profile picture of the author Palomino
              Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

              True, but you can always unsubscribe from those.

              The people in the story above will always be doomed to a life of "wage slavery". They can't make it simply because they don't believe they are capable.

              On top of that, my generation and a few years older/younger TEND to be incredibly impatient. They want it NOW, without the effort.

              This is why we now have so many entitlement programs. People think they deserve the world without any work.

              And when something that they DO want that requires any work, they quickly tire of it before they see success.

              And instead of blaming themselves for not going the mile (that it takes for any business to succeed), they find it easier to blame someone, anyone, for their problems.

              It's pathetic, really. And sad.

              I feel sorry for this guy, if he continues this attitude, his life will be miserable.

              Rob
              I COMPLETELY agree with you! WOW! It's like you sucked the thought straight out of my mind!

              Really, I am so disappointed with my generation (gen. Y)! It has created so many broke, un-inspired entitlement-minded zombies out there! That is the reason why the Democrats were able to recently ram-through the world's largest entitlement program ever, the abomination known as the Health Care Bill (most of which, un-surprisingly, didn't even address health care!!!)

              Too many young people are content to just get by, believing that someone else will just take care of them, that they have no responsibilities, and that they can't be touched. It is so frustrating to me. I joined the Dallas Tea Party to show my support for the movement, but more importantly to actually be involved in the affairs that govern my world.

              Anyways, on to the main topic of the thread, I too get bombarded by emails constantly from multiple big IMers who send me the same offers constantly. For instance, I get 2 each from Tellman Knudson for any promotion. Obviously, I opted into 2 lists, but you'd think they'd parse them or something....

              I know it's my fault for receiving them, but sometimes I just wish they would slow down a little.

              Ben Settle, Chad Kimball, and Eric Louviere are all great examples of IMers whose emails I LOVE and willingly read all the time. Simply put, they provide free, VALUABLE content on a 3-1 basis. This means, that for every 3 emails I receive from each of them, on average, 2 are purely helpful content, life stories, anecdotes, etc, and only 1 is a sales item. THAT, people, is how to maintain a good relationship via email.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nazbir.Bd
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Uhhh ..cant you just apologize that he is having such a hard time, and that YOU personally will take the time to unsub him, and that you might appreciate the business he might have given you, and politely wish him all the best.

        Next ....
        Agree with you ....
        I think if any one want to earn money online he/she must have patient ....
        They should not gave up so easily ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        Why not turn the tables on that person instantly.

        Reply,

        Wow! (Name) I am sincerely sorry you feel that way.

        If your willing, you just became my number one priority to help you start
        earning an income online. I will do what ever is necessary to help you starting right now. I was exactly where you are right now when I started out and maybe together we can see if there is something your doing or not doing that is keeping you from earning your first money online.

        So here's my extended hand offered to you in good faith to assist you with no strings attached, period.

        Will you take it?


        Obviously don't be a dork and make the offer if your not willing to back it up, but chances are. They will refuse which will reveal their true motives and they'll realize this and never make good on "ANY" of the threats in their email.

        That's my two cents.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
        Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

        Uhhh ..cant you just apologize that he is having such a hard time, and that YOU personally will take the time to unsub him, and that you might appreciate the business he might have given you, and politely wish him all the best.

        Next ....
        Absolutely.

        This guy must be pretty desperate to send an email like that.

        And it's easy to say he should focus, but how many people on this forum can say they've never felt something like that?

        I'll even bet a lot of people criticising this guy are probably in the same boat (not making any money and flitting form one thing to another _ I did for ages).

        Desperation can make you do things you wouldn't do otherwise.

        And you all know how easy it is to be taken in by a persuasive sales letter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Soos
    Hmmm..
    "I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
    the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

    Might be a story behind the story here... Obviously this person has opted into a ton of lists.
    He also... "I have tried all the systems you guys promote and nothing works." can't keep focused on any program long enough to give it a chance to work. That and spending his time reading emails instead of working his program long enough to kick in some bucks.
    Been there done that. Sounds like he could have used a mentor ie 30 day challenge?
    or anger management classes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pipinscott
    Yeup, I received one of those almost verbatim. Whats amazing is I, like most of you, run a double opt in list.

    This person had to ask to be on my list and take a heck of a freebie package for the privilage of writing me.

    Oh well, it sure sucks to be this person...so negative they have no chance of making.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    Well "unsubscribe" is an option or you can simply block his email. I actually did block one person and this person seems to waste my time of asking many irrelevant questions..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

    I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
    the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

    LOL... As if you're mailing him without his conscent and forcing him
    to read the e-mails.

    UNBELIEVABLE!

    If he hates gurus so much, then why is he still on their lists?

    Either he doesn't know how to click the unsubscribe link, or
    he simply loves to stay on people's lists to reply to their e-mails
    and bash them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
    Don't worry at least they put some effort into that one.

    I got one today from a free lead who got free stuff from me and i was giving them more free stuff in the newsletter i sent out saying '**** you eat dog **** and die' and that was it!

    I think they came from digitalpoint but i sent them a nice reply back telling them that they would never be succesfull with that sort of attitude!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    It's really unfortunate that feller is having trouble with his plans but this brings to mind that I see soooooooo many people blaming others for their issues and not taking any responsibility themselves. Hopefully he will wake up soon and start changing what he is doing to be more successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    I feel sorry for these kind of people. They buy product after product, fail to take action and then turn and blame it on the "gurus".

    If they are not going to put the hours in they will never ever be successful..
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    Take a good laugh and just move on.

    One subscriber can't kill your reputation - but if he's got tens of thousands of friends then you might be in trouble lol.

    -Shaun
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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post


      If they did, I'd fight back, but I learned early on they're just puffing out their chests and blowing smoke at you.

      .
      The ones with any serious intent don't give you the benefit of telling you in advance what they are going to do.

      Much like the drunken idiot threatening XYZ, the only ones you want to really watch out for is the guy who says nothing to your face then comes up behind you with a bat, the rest are all bravado, nobody worth their salt threatens anything, they just do it.

      The guy the OP mentioned wouldn't get 2 complaints up on any forum anyway.

      Forums send you an email to your confirm you're registration.

      This guy would go into a mild paddy about being "spammed" , bang his head against the keyboard three times then move on to the next thing to moan at.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

    I told him nicely to unsubscribe
    I wouldn't have told him to unsubscribe... I would have saved him the trouble and taken him off my list myself. Immediately.

    I am more than willing to work with people who are civil. For example, I bet you've gotten emails that say the same thing but in a totally different way. Something like:

    "I've been doing this IM thing for months and nothing works for me. I feel like giving up. I don't even know who to trust any more.

    That's someone I could help.

    But people who are bullying, mean, abusive, etc just get ignored (and refunded, if applicable). Life's too short to deal with someone else's negative energy and drama.

    Cheers,
    Becky
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      I agree with you, the whole reason for what I said was to turn the physiological table on them.

      When people inject this type of negativity, they surely don't expect the complete opposite back. If it was a bait mail, you didn't fall for it. If it was just a poorly crafted cry for help, you'll get a totally different response.

      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      I wouldn't have told him to unsubscribe... I would have saved him the trouble and taken him off my list myself. Immediately.

      I am more than willing to work with people who are civil. For example, I bet you've gotten emails that say the same thing but in a totally different way. Something like:

      "I've been doing this IM thing for months and nothing works for me. I feel like giving up. I don't even know who to trust any more.

      That's someone I could help.

      But people who are bullying, mean, abusive, etc just get ignored (and refunded, if applicable). Life's too short to deal with someone else's negative energy and drama.

      Cheers,
      Becky
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  • Profile picture of the author nchowdhury
    Lack of Focus and jumping from one opp to another, that is why they never make a dime.

    I have had few of these type of subscribers. One of them started marking my emails as spam. I kindly sent an email saying if you are not interested in what I have to offer you please just unsuscribe and you will never receive any email from me.

    Now in every email I send I have a small message in the beginning telling them that they can unsuscribe at any moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Good god, I must have a stellar list. I've never received anything more than...well...nice stuff like compliments! LOL

    I agree with Becky, he'd be off my list in a hot second, and blocked from both lists and purchases.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I wouldn't wait for him to unsubscribe. I would remove him from my list immediately. He can only do more harm than good.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeadGuy
    Could we maybe twist this into a testimonial? At a minimum it's a truly passionate, unsolicited response.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    ah feel sorry for him. Probably bought 10 of those "make $1,000 a day W.S.O.'s" last week and feels ripped off. Wouldn't you?
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Well if he paid them money and they made promises MAYBE they do.....you make one heck of an assumption.

    Agreed! IM isn't for everyone. It sounds as though this guy thinks the "guru's" owe him something. It can be a long slow process and there are many avenues one can go down but this guy obviously didn't find one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oprah
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    wow sounds like this guy is hella pissed off and is about to blow.

    hope you used a PO box for the address on your emails. wouldnt want him casing your crib in the middle of the night
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  • Profile picture of the author GNU27
    I can certainly understand his frustration.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      If you didn't make him any money then he is right in everything he says. Therefore posting it here actually looks bad on you and says that you weren't able to teach him properly.

      I also bet he was just a number on your list rather than a person or even a client. Shame on you not to meet his needs dude.

      Maybe you can learn something from this rather than being annoyed at someone speaking up against the machine?

      I mean this machine is copied over and over again.. couldnn't you have given him a different experience or even spoke to him personally about it.. Afterall he is struggling isn't he? And you're the one with the answers.. RIGHT?

      I could ramble all day but it should be you to learn the lesson from this and NOT him.

      Regards


      The Guy in Agreement With Your Subscriber!

      P.S
      So this is how much you cared about him?

      Originally Posted by affhelper View Post


      I told him nicely to unsubscribe
      Really? That's sickening.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMChick
    I call this an "involuntary unsubscribe" because after reading this, YOU unsubscribe this guy from your lists. Don't reply, ignore it.

    As Big Mike says, it's more likely than not that he will move on after a while.

    Put all the potential problem emails in one folder, and don't forget to add the proof of the double-opt-in with bonuses for the initial signup to this folder. Use this if the guy doesn't drop this easily or begins to make more trouble, in case you need to use this in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by IMChick View Post

      I call this an "involuntary unsubscribe" because after reading this, YOU unsubscribe this guy from your lists. Don't reply, ignore it.

      As Big Mike says, it's more likely than not that he will move on after a while.

      Put all the potential problem emails in one folder, and don't forget to add the proof of the double-opt-in with bonuses for the initial signup to this folder. Use this if the guy doesn't drop this easily or begins to make more trouble, in case you need to use this in the future.
      I don't believe I'm hearing this. Customer Service is just as important as Marketing and if caring so little for your subscribers... how do you epxect them to care about you?
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        • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
          Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

          No one here is suggesting that Customer Service isn't important - of course it is.
          Because it is important it is always practiced even if you don't agree with the situation at hand.

          A better way to look at is.. Nothing says he has to be your future customer anymore but everything says at least you tried your best to rectify the issue in a proper manner.

          Which is generalised with the term customer service. The service that every business implements out of their own free will just to be nice, congruent and overall respectful to all that get involved with thier business dealings. Meaning it's not all about future business.. it's about respect for yourself and the customer too.
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          • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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            • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
              Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

              One of the advantages to owning your own business is that you get to set the ground rules and limits.

              And you're making the assumption that the folks responding to this thread don't treat their customers with respect. In looking over the replies I can see that I know first hand that they do go out of their way to treat their customers well.

              But, it's also a two-way street - when a customer is not able to control their emotions, they are not deserving of that same respect. If I were to continue to do what amounts to kissing a rude customer's ass, I would totally lose my own self-respect, because I would be doing it for money.

              Nuff said...you do things your way and that's fine - don't presume to impose your ideas on others because their opinions differ.
              I never assumed anything I just put the words that matter in bold.

              EVERYONE deserves respect no matter who they are.

              No-one has to take my ideas on board therefore I am not imposing my ideas on anyone but rather expressing my opinion in a forum (Forums are a website for debate).

              Definition of debate: Debate or debating is a formal method of interactive and representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument ...
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              • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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                • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
                  Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                  Again, this is your opinion...it's not a fact. You're debating whether or not your opinion is morally superior to others. It's not...

                  How I choose to run my business is just that - my business. Not yours - you're assuming an obligation exists to help this person when one doesn't.
                  I could yabber on all day about what I have already said but there would be no point to repeat myself. Nor have I an interest in how you do business in regards of Customer Service but I'm sure your would be customers would.

                  Anyhows I can't change you and I don't want to either. I just wanted to spend time replying to a thread which I felt compelled to do so.

                  Good Luck with Your Endeavours Sir.
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                  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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                    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
                      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                      My customers know how I respond to them - I don't seem to have too many complaints

                      But in this case, we're really not even talking about customers are we? The OP is talking about a "Subscriber" and your sense of entitlement seems to be that the OP owes the subscriber a lot more than telling him to simply unsubscribe.
                      I love it Mike. You keep getting me to reply.

                      Though you're going off direction now.

                      So however much I'd like to continue this argument to the point where I fall asleep with boredom of repetition. I will not do so because I am having a few beers and it would be a waste to fall asleep.

                      All joking aside though, I've made my point and if you don't agree I can't change your mind unless I had a control switch. Which I don't have as you well know Mike.

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                    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                      Intrepreneur, have you ever tried to deal with someone who is irrationally hysterical? Whether they are scared, mad, whatever, about the only thing you can do unless they endanger themselves or others is let them blow off steam until they wind down.

                      If you read that semi-coherent rant again, you won't find someone seeking help or 'customer service'. You find someone having a tantrum and lashing out mindlessly. If the party calms down and sends a rational follow-up, then one could argue for trying to provide some kind of solution. As it stands, it sounds like they're looking for a dog to kick.

                      Getting into a snooty dick-measuring contest with Big Mike isn't going to make either of you right. By the way, I own several of Mike's products, and his customer service is enviable.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
                        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                        Intrepreneur, have you ever tried to deal with someone who is irrationally hysterical? Whether they are scared, mad, whatever, about the only thing you can do unless they endanger themselves or others is let them blow off steam until they wind down.

                        If you read that semi-coherent rant again, you won't find someone seeking help or 'customer service'. You find someone having a tantrum and lashing out mindlessly. If the party calms down and sends a rational follow-up, then one could argue for trying to provide some kind of solution. As it stands, it sounds like they're looking for a dog to kick.

                        Getting into a snooty dick-measuring contest with Big Mike isn't going to make either of you right. By the way, I own several of Mike's products, and his customer service is enviable.
                        Of course John many times before and I am able to accept the fact that people get that way but I wouldn't ever sacrifice my skills to allow them to leave the situation feeling upset.

                        Between me and Big Mike it's not a contest but rather an amiable debate and I have respect for him and his success so I wouldn't aim to challenge him other than in an amiable way and I think he knows that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I wouldn't have read beyond the first line and simply unsubscribe him.

    This can only drain you and this person couldn't care less. I don't
    think he really wants to succeed rather more to upset you. Click
    unsubscribe and just move on.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      With an email like this YOU should unsubscribe him.

      For those saying you should email him - that's wrong.

      He has just told you NOT to contact him - if you email him back he can claim you are spamming him. That's just the type to do it, too.
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        With an email like this YOU should unsubscribe him.

        For those saying you should email him - that's wrong.

        He has just told you NOT to contact him - if you email him back he can claim you are spamming him. That's just the type to do it, too.
        He's essentialy interested enough to send such an email /response because he wants a reaction.

        In psycology (sales, marketing & customer service) it is perfectly OK to turn this situation around and be a real person with him and not just some bot that says "If you don't like it.. I don't care.. Just go way".
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          It may be ok in psychology - but not with the spam laws. That's the point.

          The guy opted in - so the emails weren't spam. If he says "stop emailing me" - the next email you send is spam. The "unsubscribe" is handy but a statement of "don't email me again" works the same way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I can't even imagine how many customers like this someone like Tony Robbins gets. No matter how good your guarantee, not matter how many others you've helped, some will see "scam" .

    What they really want is the sarcastic promise Frank Kern made. Something like "Join my list and you'll become an instant billionaire"
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

      Uhhh ..cant you just apologize that he is having such a hard time, and that YOU personally will take the time to unsub him, and that you might appreciate the business he might have given you, and politely wish him all the best.

      Next ....
      Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

      I don't believe I'm hearing this. Customer Service is just as important as Marketing and if caring so little for your subscribers... how do you epxect them to care about you?
      Two problems with this approach...

      First, offering anything that even resembles an apology is only going to validate his belief that you and all the others deliberately scammed him. He can go to the various bitch boards and say "I called them on this and one even sent me an apology!"

      Second, a disturbed mind capable of actually emailing this kind of tirade (which was probably bcc'd to a bunch of people) isn't looking for help - they're looking to be right. Even if you did offer to "do anything necessary to make sure they succeeded online" and they accepted, I'm guessing that you could never do enough to satisfy them. 'Do it for me, or it will prove you are just like all the rest...'

      As Paul Myers like to say it, just move this person to the psychic version of your list and move on.

      There's a line between providing customer service and accepting abuse, and the message in the original post blew right through it...
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


        apology...

        As Paul Myers like to say it, just move this person to the psychic version of your list and move on.
        Customer Service is an art. It doesn't always have to begin with an apology or even include an apology. But it can always offer a solution to the problem that the customer accepts as valid.

        As for the pyschic version I do agree that knowing this can make you money and probably lots of it but it doesn't and never will create a long term relationship that creates repeat buyers in a life long term.

        However everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own direction I tend not to agree with much of what was said in reply to this situation. Especially in regards of only concnetrating on the side of your list that won't create that long term relationship.
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

          But it can always offer a solution to the problem that the customer accepts as valid.


          .
          True enough in context.

          However this guy was ranting at the OP because
          SOMEBODY ELSE had sent him information.

          Is it really every IM'ers duty to care for the deluded
          and abrasive , there has to be a cut off point somewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

    Hey check out this email I got from one of my subscribers.

    "This is total bs! All you gurus talk about is how you make money and it's
    making me sick. I fu*ing hate you all mothe*kers! Scammers! I have tried all
    the systems you guys promote and nothing works. I am going to make sure to
    report everyone of you to scam.com and all other scam sites. From now on I
    am going to mark all your emails as spam and do everything to blacklist your
    links that you send out. I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
    the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

    I really don't know what to say to a person like that.

    This just tells me that people are getting burned out. I haven't been even
    promoting anything lately and this guy obviously is just mad about all the
    emails he gets from other marketers.

    I told him nicely to unsubscribe

    I'd go ahead and just beat him to the punch and delete him and block him from your email list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Notitia
    I also find that email funny, but it tells me he's signing up for a lot of crap. Maybe you should fill him in on how all this works and point to some cooler guys like good ol' frank kern who actually care about their relationship with their list.
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  • Profile picture of the author ILUVCA$H
    Well it takes a lot of hard work day after day to build a successful online business regardless of what marketing he is doing . There is no silver bullet or easy way to make real money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
      Originally Posted by ILUVCA View Post

      Well it takes a lot of hard work day after day to build a successful online business regardless of what marketing he is doing . There is no silver bullet or easy way to make real money online.
      You're just trying to ruin for me, aren't you? Aren't you, eh, eh?
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  • Profile picture of the author mjhult
    I can understand where they are coming from though because I was at that point a couple years back. You see so many shiny things and wonder how everyone is making all this money and you aren't making any.

    I fantastic "guru" saw how frustrated I was and actually called me from across the globe to talk through it and get me on the right path.

    Maybe reach out to him and see if you can help give him some guidance? Takes a little time, but maybe its worth it in the long run?
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian York
    Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

    Hey check out this email I got from one of my subscribers.

    "This is total bs! All you gurus talk about is how you make money and it's
    making me sick. I fu*ing hate you all mothe*kers! Scammers! I have tried all
    the systems you guys promote and nothing works.
    I am going to make sure to
    report everyone of you to scam.com and all other scam sites. From now on I
    am going to mark all your emails as spam and do everything to blacklist your
    links that you send out. I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
    the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

    I really don't know what to say to a person like that.

    This just tells me that people are getting burned out. I haven't been even
    promoting anything lately and this guy obviously is just mad about all the
    emails he gets from other marketers.

    I told him nicely to unsubscribe
    I think there lies his problem. Just like most beginners, they jump around from product to product, system to system trying to find the magic bullet. Problem is that there isn't a magic bullet.

    You actually have to work hard and stick with something.

    I wouldn't take the email personally. It's just another frustrated person who can't seem to make things work. (I've been there before. And I bet many others on this forum have).
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  • Profile picture of the author Epicurus
    Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

    Hey check out this email I got from one of my subscribers.

    "This is total bs! All you gurus talk about is how you make money and it's
    making me sick. I fu*ing hate you all mothe*kers! Scammers! I have tried all
    the systems you guys promote and nothing works. I am going to make sure to
    report everyone of you to scam.com and all other scam sites. From now on I
    am going to mark all your emails as spam and do everything to blacklist your
    links that you send out. I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
    the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

    I really don't know what to say to a person like that.

    This just tells me that people are getting burned out. I haven't been even
    promoting anything lately and this guy obviously is just mad about all the
    emails he gets from other marketers.

    I told him nicely to unsubscribe
    I know exactly how you feel.

    I run several support desks for good IM products yet still get these types of emails every day.

    Had a customer email me the other day annoyed that they had to 'wade' through a 40 page ebook to learn how to do traffic generation and could I tell him how to do it faster because he suffers from ADS and can't be bothered to read or watch videos.

    I couldn't be bothered to reply :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author davesharp
      It's been very interesting reading the debate between folk here regarding customer care in this matter, even if they were a customer and not just a subscriber.

      I love reaching out to people and trying to help sort out any mutual problems we may have. However there is one philosophy that has guided me through over 40 years of adult life, and that is to never tolerate an abusive customer.

      I also applied this to one or two employers I have had over the years.
      When someone becomes abusive with me then they lose any respect I may have had for them and I cut contact with them as soon as possible.

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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    I am all for great customer service, and working with someone (who has been let down, frustrated and disappointed repeatedly) who GENUINELY comes to me for a solution.

    That particular subscriber was going on a tirade and quite frankly, I don't think he was looking for any kind of help at that point. He just wanted to spit in the faces of all those evil gurus who held a gun to his head and forced him to read their messages - I MEAN - those evil gurus he signed up to receive mail from of his own free will...

    I would take him off my list immediately as well. I don't need to take that from anyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas Kemp
    Email back telling him that he doesn't have what is takes and that you'll gladly unsubscribe him.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Just remove him from your list and forget about it. You don't have to put up with HIS spam!

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  • Profile picture of the author poker princess
    That seems to me a guy who has been really pissed off by receiving lots and lots of spam mails

    This actually is a disadvantage to the people who are really trying to market their product with a genuine way.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    I'm sorry, but for those of you sticking up for this guy, I think you are wrong to do so. Yeah, it's quite sad that this guy is struggling to succeed online, and yes, if he has spent money on numerous products and followed them to the 'T' and still had no success at all, then yes, anyone would be disheartened and be a bit annoyed... BUT.. the tone and language within his email is uncalled for. I'm assuming this is the first time 'affhelper' had received a personal email from this guy. Has this guy REALLY given him the chance to help?! I doubt he has. It just looks like to me that he has bought many products, not made a dime and then got hell bent on firing out these 'abusive' emails to anyone and everyone whose list 'HE' subscribed too.

    I do feel sorry for those who struggle to succeed and put all their available hours into IM but I don't agree with 'abusive', 'threatening' email being sent like that without any direct cause to do so.

    Just my two cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author V12
      One thing I've learned the hard way is this: a half-hearted attempt at anything will almost always end in failure. Buying into one business opportunity or plan after another means that the person involved is trying to find a way of making money without doing any work at all. I know this because this is exactly how I used to behave, although I didn't realise it at the time.
      There ARE some good guys out there who genuinely provide great products and great value but even their stuff is totally useless to anyone who expects it work all by itself and make money automatically as soon as the product has been bought.
      Just my two cents worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author alag18
    hello
    some people thinking wrong way and donot understand money make online and internet marketing,so you should unsubscribe well,you can search corect people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg McKenzie
    Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

    Hey check out this email I got from one of my subscribers.

    "This is total bs! All you gurus talk about is how you make money and it's
    making me sick. I fu*ing hate you all mothe*kers! Scammers! I have tried all
    the systems you guys promote and nothing works. I am going to make sure to
    report everyone of you to scam.com and all other scam sites. From now on I
    am going to mark all your emails as spam and do everything to blacklist your
    links that you send out. I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
    the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

    I really don't know what to say to a person like that.

    This just tells me that people are getting burned out. I haven't been even
    promoting anything lately and this guy obviously is just mad about all the
    emails he gets from other marketers.

    I told him nicely to unsubscribe
    In my opinion these people are very dangerous and are the ones that give us marketers a bad name i.e They accuse you of spamming - even after they've double opted in!!

    I think every experienced marketer has had an email like that - it's best to ignore and delete.

    I used to reply but it's just a waste of time and energy dealing with a closed mind! I personally now treat them with the contempt they deserve and unsubscribe them from my list! (You get one every few months)

    The thing that annoys me the most about an email like that is the prophanity that they use. In my experience some idiots are braver or think it's clever or something to use bad language in an email. (Bet if you were face to face they wouldn't dare)

    In my opinion they could all use a copy of "How to Win Friends and Influence People"

    Regards,

    Greg
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Not sure.

    If this is just one person, it could be a kook.

    Two people - a trend

    Three or more - time to rethink what we are doing

    Look at the gurus giving away their best products. As Shoemoney said, the game has reached new levels.

    I don't think it is just the economy. Maybe IM needs a revamp?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    blacklist his email and move on with business.
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    • Profile picture of the author glassextreme
      I think the guy had just started out clicking on some get rich quick online ad, and opted in with his work email or personal one, and each product offered free ebook, which he clicked and subscribed to and got upsold because he really wanted to succeed and didn't know how to say no. And in that buying mood, he clicked on a download page, found more free offers, got greedy and the upsold again.
      After that, he realised that all of them are left unused. Frustration set in and when he was overwhelmed, he lost it.

      I know because when I first started, I stumbled upon this super affiliate's site, and I got sucked into spending lots of money buying his products and his offers, and then realised that no matter how hard I worked at it, they wouldn't work. Felt really scammed and frustrated. Of course I didn't scream obscenites at him.

      If I were not in IM, I would not dare to click Unsubscribe because we were told long ago that the scammers just want to make sure your email address is real, so don't unsubscribe, just delete, back before all these laws about double opt-in appeared. To the non-IMers, they wouldn't care about this double opt-in thing.

      Agree that this guy needs How To Win Friends And Influence People.

      There would be 20% people who will try to suck up 80% of your enegry by being super negative. Good customer service doesn't mean you have to solve their problems. What one guru on customer service taught me, just send them to your competitor!

      Nobody should be rude in order to get a reply, but too many people just get so focused on negativity that they don't care. Met such people in my day job and the best way I is to change their state and break their pattern.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
        I've just spent a little time reading through this entire thread and it seems a particular theme runs through it. Of course everyone her are IM'ers and the general consensus of reply is "This guy gives us all a bad name/how dare he opt in and then complain about the email/he must be one of those that just buys one product after another and can't stick at one thing/he's just a failure."

        I've been in the computer/internet industry for 40 years and always in a customer service position. So I know a bit about customers and service. Firstly The customer is NOT always right and secondly you do not have to 'suck up' to (oor even put up with) abusive customers. Everyone deserves respect and that should be the basis of all relationships, even a supplier/customer one.

        But - don't just dismiss the guy's rantings because you don' like what you hear. In there somewhere is usually a grain of truth or something you have missed or even misunderstood.

        There are many, many people who get frustrated with buying one product after another and getting nowhere. I do not agree that sticking to one product will always eventually yield results. The truth is a lot of products are fundamental flawed in some respect. I am sure if you think of all the products you have bought, you would not say they were all good or effective.


        OK, It's not an excuse for extreme reactions like the one described but frustration can be a powerful driver.


        My final note, and probably the most important one is that the guys that keep buying product after product are the backbone of the IM industry. Without them what would be the point of building a list. If everyone who bought their first product became a successfully marketer would the new entries be enough to sustain business? - I don't think so.


        So maybe if one of the masses (failures?) that are the foundation of our very industry blows a gasket occasionally maybe we should cut them a bit slack. And always remember - It might feel personal but it's just the cost of doing business.
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