This is what I got from one of my subscribers

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Hey check out this email I got from one of my subscribers.

"This is total bs! All you gurus talk about is how you make money and it's
making me sick. I fu*ing hate you all mothe*kers! Scammers! I have tried all
the systems you guys promote and nothing works. I am going to make sure to
report everyone of you to scam.com and all other scam sites. From now on I
am going to mark all your emails as spam and do everything to blacklist your
links that you send out. I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

I really don't know what to say to a person like that.

This just tells me that people are getting burned out. I haven't been even
promoting anything lately and this guy obviously is just mad about all the
emails he gets from other marketers.

I told him nicely to unsubscribe
#main internet marketing discussion forum #subscribers
  • Maybe I have a twisted sense of humour, but I find this kind of stuff hilarious

    Unfortunately though, this person is wasting their time, as they do not seem to have what it takes to be successful online.
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    • I agree with you. What's bad is the fact that now he is going to be posting all kinds of bad stuff about people that are not even true. I hate this kind of negativity.

      Just because he is not making any money he is going to try to make others miserable at the same time.... LOL typical
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    • Agreed! IM isn't for everyone. It sounds as though this guy thinks the "guru's" owe him something. It can be a long slow process and there are many avenues one can go down but this guy obviously didn't find one.
    • True,

      This guy doesn't have the right attitude to make money and so he never will (I am 90% sure about that) and he needs to stop wasting his time online.
  • I think you did the right thing, just tell him to unsubscribe.

    We know that most people who try to make money online fail, and there is no doubt that this guy belongs to this group. So I don't think you can do something to help him.


    William
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    • Uhhh ..cant you just apologize that he is having such a hard time, and that YOU personally will take the time to unsub him, and that you might appreciate the business he might have given you, and politely wish him all the best.

      Next ....
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  • Hmmm..
    "I got like 100s of emails from those so called gurus in
    the last freaking 7 days. Stop emailing me about your scams!!!"

    Might be a story behind the story here... Obviously this person has opted into a ton of lists.
    He also... "I have tried all the systems you guys promote and nothing works." can't keep focused on any program long enough to give it a chance to work. That and spending his time reading emails instead of working his program long enough to kick in some bucks.
    Been there done that. Sounds like he could have used a mentor ie 30 day challenge?
    or anger management classes.
  • Yeup, I received one of those almost verbatim. Whats amazing is I, like most of you, run a double opt in list.

    This person had to ask to be on my list and take a heck of a freebie package for the privilage of writing me.

    Oh well, it sure sucks to be this person...so negative they have no chance of making.
  • Well "unsubscribe" is an option or you can simply block his email. I actually did block one person and this person seems to waste my time of asking many irrelevant questions..

  • LOL... As if you're mailing him without his conscent and forcing him
    to read the e-mails.

    UNBELIEVABLE!

    If he hates gurus so much, then why is he still on their lists?

    Either he doesn't know how to click the unsubscribe link, or
    he simply loves to stay on people's lists to reply to their e-mails
    and bash them.
  • Don't worry at least they put some effort into that one.

    I got one today from a free lead who got free stuff from me and i was giving them more free stuff in the newsletter i sent out saying '**** you eat dog **** and die' and that was it!

    I think they came from digitalpoint but i sent them a nice reply back telling them that they would never be succesfull with that sort of attitude!

    Mark Blaze
  • It's really unfortunate that feller is having trouble with his plans but this brings to mind that I see soooooooo many people blaming others for their issues and not taking any responsibility themselves. Hopefully he will wake up soon and start changing what he is doing to be more successful.
  • Banned
    I feel sorry for these kind of people. They buy product after product, fail to take action and then turn and blame it on the "gurus".

    If they are not going to put the hours in they will never ever be successful..
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  • Take a good laugh and just move on.

    One subscriber can't kill your reputation - but if he's got tens of thousands of friends then you might be in trouble lol.

    -Shaun
  • Banned
    [DELETED]
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    • The ones with any serious intent don't give you the benefit of telling you in advance what they are going to do.

      Much like the drunken idiot threatening XYZ, the only ones you want to really watch out for is the guy who says nothing to your face then comes up behind you with a bat, the rest are all bravado, nobody worth their salt threatens anything, they just do it.

      The guy the OP mentioned wouldn't get 2 complaints up on any forum anyway.

      Forums send you an email to your confirm you're registration.

      This guy would go into a mild paddy about being "spammed" , bang his head against the keyboard three times then move on to the next thing to moan at.
  • I wouldn't have told him to unsubscribe... I would have saved him the trouble and taken him off my list myself. Immediately.

    I am more than willing to work with people who are civil. For example, I bet you've gotten emails that say the same thing but in a totally different way. Something like:

    "I've been doing this IM thing for months and nothing works for me. I feel like giving up. I don't even know who to trust any more.

    That's someone I could help.

    But people who are bullying, mean, abusive, etc just get ignored (and refunded, if applicable). Life's too short to deal with someone else's negative energy and drama.

    Cheers,
    Becky
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    • I agree with you, the whole reason for what I said was to turn the physiological table on them.

      When people inject this type of negativity, they surely don't expect the complete opposite back. If it was a bait mail, you didn't fall for it. If it was just a poorly crafted cry for help, you'll get a totally different response.

  • Lack of Focus and jumping from one opp to another, that is why they never make a dime.

    I have had few of these type of subscribers. One of them started marking my emails as spam. I kindly sent an email saying if you are not interested in what I have to offer you please just unsuscribe and you will never receive any email from me.

    Now in every email I send I have a small message in the beginning telling them that they can unsuscribe at any moment.
  • Good god, I must have a stellar list. I've never received anything more than...well...nice stuff like compliments! LOL

    I agree with Becky, he'd be off my list in a hot second, and blocked from both lists and purchases.
  • Banned
    I wouldn't wait for him to unsubscribe. I would remove him from my list immediately. He can only do more harm than good.
  • Could we maybe twist this into a testimonial? At a minimum it's a truly passionate, unsolicited response.
  • ah feel sorry for him. Probably bought 10 of those "make $1,000 a day W.S.O.'s" last week and feels ripped off. Wouldn't you?
  • Well if he paid them money and they made promises MAYBE they do.....you make one heck of an assumption.

  • Banned
    wow sounds like this guy is hella pissed off and is about to blow.

    hope you used a PO box for the address on your emails. wouldnt want him casing your crib in the middle of the night
  • I can certainly understand his frustration.
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    • If you didn't make him any money then he is right in everything he says. Therefore posting it here actually looks bad on you and says that you weren't able to teach him properly.

      I also bet he was just a number on your list rather than a person or even a client. Shame on you not to meet his needs dude.

      Maybe you can learn something from this rather than being annoyed at someone speaking up against the machine?

      I mean this machine is copied over and over again.. couldnn't you have given him a different experience or even spoke to him personally about it.. Afterall he is struggling isn't he? And you're the one with the answers.. RIGHT?

      I could ramble all day but it should be you to learn the lesson from this and NOT him.

      Regards


      The Guy in Agreement With Your Subscriber!

      P.S       So this is how much you cared about him?

      Really? That's sickening.
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  • I call this an "involuntary unsubscribe" because after reading this, YOU unsubscribe this guy from your lists. Don't reply, ignore it.

    As Big Mike says, it's more likely than not that he will move on after a while.

    Put all the potential problem emails in one folder, and don't forget to add the proof of the double-opt-in with bonuses for the initial signup to this folder. Use this if the guy doesn't drop this easily or begins to make more trouble, in case you need to use this in the future.
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    • I don't believe I'm hearing this. Customer Service is just as important as Marketing and if caring so little for your subscribers... how do you epxect them to care about you?
  • I wouldn't have read beyond the first line and simply unsubscribe him.

    This can only drain you and this person couldn't care less. I don't
    think he really wants to succeed rather more to upset you. Click
    unsubscribe and just move on.

    -Ray Edwards
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    • With an email like this YOU should unsubscribe him.

      For those saying you should email him - that's wrong.

      He has just told you NOT to contact him - if you email him back he can claim you are spamming him. That's just the type to do it, too.
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  • I can't even imagine how many customers like this someone like Tony Robbins gets. No matter how good your guarantee, not matter how many others you've helped, some will see "scam" .

    What they really want is the sarcastic promise Frank Kern made. Something like "Join my list and you'll become an instant billionaire"
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    • Two problems with this approach...

      First, offering anything that even resembles an apology is only going to validate his belief that you and all the others deliberately scammed him. He can go to the various bitch boards and say "I called them on this and one even sent me an apology!"

      Second, a disturbed mind capable of actually emailing this kind of tirade (which was probably bcc'd to a bunch of people) isn't looking for help - they're looking to be right. Even if you did offer to "do anything necessary to make sure they succeeded online" and they accepted, I'm guessing that you could never do enough to satisfy them. 'Do it for me, or it will prove you are just like all the rest...'

      As Paul Myers like to say it, just move this person to the psychic version of your list and move on.

      There's a line between providing customer service and accepting abuse, and the message in the original post blew right through it...
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  • I'd go ahead and just beat him to the punch and delete him and block him from your email list.
  • I also find that email funny, but it tells me he's signing up for a lot of crap. Maybe you should fill him in on how all this works and point to some cooler guys like good ol' frank kern who actually care about their relationship with their list.
  • Well it takes a lot of hard work day after day to build a successful online business regardless of what marketing he is doing . There is no silver bullet or easy way to make real money online.
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    • You're just trying to ruin for me, aren't you? Aren't you, eh, eh?
  • I can understand where they are coming from though because I was at that point a couple years back. You see so many shiny things and wonder how everyone is making all this money and you aren't making any.

    I fantastic "guru" saw how frustrated I was and actually called me from across the globe to talk through it and get me on the right path.

    Maybe reach out to him and see if you can help give him some guidance? Takes a little time, but maybe its worth it in the long run?
  • I think there lies his problem. Just like most beginners, they jump around from product to product, system to system trying to find the magic bullet. Problem is that there isn't a magic bullet.

    You actually have to work hard and stick with something.

    I wouldn't take the email personally. It's just another frustrated person who can't seem to make things work. (I've been there before. And I bet many others on this forum have).
  • I know exactly how you feel.

    I run several support desks for good IM products yet still get these types of emails every day.

    Had a customer email me the other day annoyed that they had to 'wade' through a 40 page ebook to learn how to do traffic generation and could I tell him how to do it faster because he suffers from ADS and can't be bothered to read or watch videos.

    I couldn't be bothered to reply :-)
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    • It's been very interesting reading the debate between folk here regarding customer care in this matter, even if they were a customer and not just a subscriber.

      I love reaching out to people and trying to help sort out any mutual problems we may have. However there is one philosophy that has guided me through over 40 years of adult life, and that is to never tolerate an abusive customer.

      I also applied this to one or two employers I have had over the years.
      When someone becomes abusive with me then they lose any respect I may have had for them and I cut contact with them as soon as possible.

      David
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  • I am all for great customer service, and working with someone (who has been let down, frustrated and disappointed repeatedly) who GENUINELY comes to me for a solution.

    That particular subscriber was going on a tirade and quite frankly, I don't think he was looking for any kind of help at that point. He just wanted to spit in the faces of all those evil gurus who held a gun to his head and forced him to read their messages - I MEAN - those evil gurus he signed up to receive mail from of his own free will...

    I would take him off my list immediately as well. I don't need to take that from anyone.
  • Email back telling him that he doesn't have what is takes and that you'll gladly unsubscribe him.
  • Just remove him from your list and forget about it. You don't have to put up with HIS spam!

    Will
  • That seems to me a guy who has been really pissed off by receiving lots and lots of spam mails

    This actually is a disadvantage to the people who are really trying to market their product with a genuine way.
  • I'm sorry, but for those of you sticking up for this guy, I think you are wrong to do so. Yeah, it's quite sad that this guy is struggling to succeed online, and yes, if he has spent money on numerous products and followed them to the 'T' and still had no success at all, then yes, anyone would be disheartened and be a bit annoyed... BUT.. the tone and language within his email is uncalled for. I'm assuming this is the first time 'affhelper' had received a personal email from this guy. Has this guy REALLY given him the chance to help?! I doubt he has. It just looks like to me that he has bought many products, not made a dime and then got hell bent on firing out these 'abusive' emails to anyone and everyone whose list 'HE' subscribed too.

    I do feel sorry for those who struggle to succeed and put all their available hours into IM but I don't agree with 'abusive', 'threatening' email being sent like that without any direct cause to do so.

    Just my two cents.
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    • One thing I've learned the hard way is this: a half-hearted attempt at anything will almost always end in failure. Buying into one business opportunity or plan after another means that the person involved is trying to find a way of making money without doing any work at all. I know this because this is exactly how I used to behave, although I didn't realise it at the time.
      There ARE some good guys out there who genuinely provide great products and great value but even their stuff is totally useless to anyone who expects it work all by itself and make money automatically as soon as the product has been bought.
      Just my two cents worth.
  • hello
    some people thinking wrong way and donot understand money make online and internet marketing,so you should unsubscribe well,you can search corect people.
  • In my opinion these people are very dangerous and are the ones that give us marketers a bad name i.e They accuse you of spamming - even after they've double opted in!!

    I think every experienced marketer has had an email like that - it's best to ignore and delete.

    I used to reply but it's just a waste of time and energy dealing with a closed mind! I personally now treat them with the contempt they deserve and unsubscribe them from my list! (You get one every few months)

    The thing that annoys me the most about an email like that is the prophanity that they use. In my experience some idiots are braver or think it's clever or something to use bad language in an email. (Bet if you were face to face they wouldn't dare)

    In my opinion they could all use a copy of "How to Win Friends and Influence People"

    Regards,

    Greg
  • Not sure.

    If this is just one person, it could be a kook.

    Two people - a trend

    Three or more - time to rethink what we are doing

    Look at the gurus giving away their best products. As Shoemoney said, the game has reached new levels.

    I don't think it is just the economy. Maybe IM needs a revamp?
  • blacklist his email and move on with business.
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    • I think the guy had just started out clicking on some get rich quick online ad, and opted in with his work email or personal one, and each product offered free ebook, which he clicked and subscribed to and got upsold because he really wanted to succeed and didn't know how to say no. And in that buying mood, he clicked on a download page, found more free offers, got greedy and the upsold again.
      After that, he realised that all of them are left unused. Frustration set in and when he was overwhelmed, he lost it.

      I know because when I first started, I stumbled upon this super affiliate's site, and I got sucked into spending lots of money buying his products and his offers, and then realised that no matter how hard I worked at it, they wouldn't work. Felt really scammed and frustrated. Of course I didn't scream obscenites at him.

      If I were not in IM, I would not dare to click Unsubscribe because we were told long ago that the scammers just want to make sure your email address is real, so don't unsubscribe, just delete, back before all these laws about double opt-in appeared. To the non-IMers, they wouldn't care about this double opt-in thing.

      Agree that this guy needs How To Win Friends And Influence People.

      There would be 20% people who will try to suck up 80% of your enegry by being super negative. Good customer service doesn't mean you have to solve their problems. What one guru on customer service taught me, just send them to your competitor!

      Nobody should be rude in order to get a reply, but too many people just get so focused on negativity that they don't care. Met such people in my day job and the best way I is to change their state and break their pattern.
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