ADD/ADHD and Internet Marketing

by kctang
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I'm KC,

Newbie in IM and will be specializing in ADD/ADHD 'cause I have it.

Was talking to Mukul at the Toronto Mastermind meeting and he joked how ADHD is almost a prerequisite for someone to be in Internet Marketing, lol.

He's never been diagnosed, but he has his suspicions, and he likes to brag about it. I also know some of the 'big names' like Tellman and Kern have been diagnosed with it.


So that begs the question...



How many of you IMers out there really have ADD/ADHD?

And how many of you have never been diagnosed, but think you might have it?



Fill out the poll, let me know, thanks
#add #add or adhd #adhd #internet #marketing
  • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
    I have ADD

    ... along with OCD, Bipolar and Borderline Personality.

    My brain is kinda screwy like that
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  • Profile picture of the author Colton
    I have been diagnosed with ADD and take medication for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kctang
    Lol, 2 confirmed as I was setting up the poll.

    Yea, Eric... Co-morbidity's a bitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
      Yes, you're going to find the majority of IM folks are ADD, it requires that kind of personality. People who are ADD constantly have ideas running through their head, and have a hard time doing a repetitive, clock-punching type of job. Nearly everyone I've met in IM has some form of it, and I've concluded long ago that it's sort of a requirement.

      I voted yes, BTW.
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      • Profile picture of the author Susanna Dodd
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Morgan View Post

        Yes, you're going to find the majority of IM folks are ADD, it requires that kind of personality. People who are ADD constantly have ideas running through their head, and have a hard time doing a repetitive, clock-punching type of job. Nearly everyone I've met in IM has some form of it, and I've concluded long ago that it's sort of a requirement.

        I voted yes, BTW.
        Awww shoot! Does that mean I shouldn't be an IM? I've never been diagnosed with either ADD or ADHD. LOL But that is an interesting concept.
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  • Profile picture of the author kctang
    Lol Jeremy. I think you're right.

    You'll find a higher instance of ADD in entrepreneurs in general, but IM specifically seems like an even better fit.

    You take meds for your ADD? (I'm on Concerta 27.)
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I voted No.... but that is only my opinion... never been "assessed" by a doctor for it.

    But I would be very interested in this topic.

    I look forward to more replies.

    Peace

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    • Profile picture of the author kctang
      @JayX - Thanks for your interest. And for voting 'No'.

      I was concerned there'd be a bias towards yes's and maybe's if the majority of readers were all ADD.


      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      I voted no, changed it to yes, bailed out and started reading another thread and then I came back in here. Now I'm watching Ben 10 with my son....boring. Checked CNN and back again...I don't know - what am I?
      Lol... funny thing is... I've got no kids and I *know* what Ben10 is...

      I blame my underage cousin, and his affinity towards Teletoon.
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      • Profile picture of the author grayambition
        Originally Posted by kctang View Post

        I was concerned there'd be a bias towards yes's and maybe's if the majority of readers were all ADD.
        I think you're bound to get more yes's and maybe's simply because those of us who either have ADD/ADHD or suspect we might have it are going to be more inclined to check out this thread. Basic affinity for the subject matter.

        Big Mike, your post is so scarily accurate that, hysterically funny as it was, I had a bit of trouble laughing. Truth hurts. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      I voted no, changed it to yes, bailed out and started reading another thread and then I came back in here. Now I'm watching Ben 10 with my son....boring. Checked CNN and back again...I don't know - what am I?
      Loved that one. Thanks for the laugh.

      I have my suspicions about myself as well...
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      • Profile picture of the author Denise Patton
        This is an interesting post because I've been really grappling with an "attention deficit" issue. I haven't been diagnosed, but I really have a hard time focusing on one thing.

        This has been a life long problem for me and I'm sure one of the reasons it's taken time for me to find success with IM because I'll start one project, drop it and start something else. Sometimes my brain is a flurry of ideas and it takes a lot for me to focus on one task and carry it through to completion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    ADD-DSM-IV.html

    Those are the official diagnosis criteria for the two disorders mentioned above.

    The way it works: you have either AD or AHD - if you present the minimum number of symptoms in the way described there.

    Now, if I think that every day somebody posts in this forum about the importance of focus in IM... I am not sure why AD/ADHD would be so beneficial in this line of work

    [remember: I live with a shrink]
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    • Profile picture of the author kctang
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      Now, if I think that every day somebody posts in this forum about the importance of focus in IM... I am not sure why AD/ADHD would be so beneficial in this line of work
      The creativity helps. Lack of continuity doesn't.

      But there are systems and structures that can be put in place to help with that. I'm working on figuring that out.

      Lol... I hear WSO...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheGraduate
      Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath View Post

      ADD-DSM-IV.html

      Those are the official diagnosis criteria for the two disorders mentioned above.

      The way it works: you have either AD or AHD - if you present the minimum number of symptoms in the way described there.

      Now, if I think that every day somebody posts in this forum about the importance of focus in IM... I am not sure why AD/ADHD would be so beneficial in this line of work

      [remember: I live with a shrink]

      You are 100% right on this, ADD/ADHD is NOT related to creativity, there are other mental diagnoses which are, two of them are bipolar disorder. and Asperger Syndrome,

      you can read a little about Asperger Syndrom here
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        You are 100% right on this, ADD/ADHD is NOT related to creativity
        You might want to do a little more research on this one. ADD is very often connected to creativity - or at least most people with ADD are very creative.

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        • Profile picture of the author kctang
          Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

          You are 100% right on this, ADD/ADHD is NOT related to creativity, there are other mental diagnoses which are, two of them are bipolar disorder. and Asperger Syndrome
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          You might want to do a little more research on this one. ADD is very often connected to creativity - or at least most people with ADD are very creative.

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          Creativity is a very broad term. Can be used to describe many different things...

          When the word creative is used for ADD, it applies not so much in the sense of artisitic creativity (music, visual arts, etc -- although ADDers can have talents in those)...

          But moreso in the 'think outside the box' sense.

          We tend to think outside 5 boxes.

          As mentioned above, we often have multiple thoughts coming into our heads. Most of the time, this is in detracting way, making us distracted and making it hard for us to concentrate.

          But sometimes, all these thoughts are focused on different perspectives or variables of the same topic. And thus we get very 'creative', finding a solution or producing an idea that resolves many issues, satisifies many factors, from a big picture point of view.

          If there are any 'good points' in having ADD -- and there are -- that would be one of them.

          Harnessing that good, is the tricky part.

          ...

          ...

          And that's where I come in.
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      • Profile picture of the author purplecone
        Originally Posted by TheGraduate View Post

        You are 100% right on this, ADD/ADHD is NOT related to creativity, there are other mental diagnoses which are, two of them are bipolar disorder. and Asperger Syndrome,

        you can read a little about Asperger Syndrom here
        Thank you for this link. After reading your post my husband and I researched and tested (unofficially) online for Aspergers. Results, I do not have it, but he probably does. Hmmm. Makes me rethink all the times I got mad at him for acting in ways I considered embarrassing. He had a really high score, and totally identified with all the symptoms we read about. I realize this is not a 'real' diagnosis, but somehow it is a bit comforting to know there likely is a reason that he doesn't pick up on facial and body-language cues.

        By the way, he is extremely creative, writes songs, articles, and books, but won't consider having much of it published.

        Knowing something makes it easier to deal with, so again, thanks for the link.

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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
          ADHD like no other.

          Take some Adderrall and you turn into a super focused fiend.

          Had to stop though as it was taking its toll on my body - especially when I fight.

          I would end up puking after like a 2 minute fight lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
            Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

            ADHD like no other.

            Take some Adderrall and you turn into a super focused fiend.

            Had to stop though as it was taking its toll on my body - especially when I fight.

            I would end up puking after like a 2 minute fight lol.

            You fight mixed martial arts?
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            • Profile picture of the author TSCarter
              Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post

              You fight mixed martial arts?
              Street Fighter via SNES.
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            Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

            ADHD like no other.

            Take some Adderrall and you turn into a super focused fiend.

            Had to stop though as it was taking its toll on my body - especially when I fight.

            I would end up puking after like a 2 minute fight lol.
            What do you mean by fighting?
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            • Profile picture of the author the french newbie
              I have been diagnosed with ADD myself 2 years ago and I am treated with Ritalin.

              I think that people suffering from ADD can be very creative and productive when they focus on something that really motivates them... However, they tend to drain all their energy in the process wich leaves them struggling to do their regular day tasks (things that "normal" people do everyday...).

              This kind of dynamic will often results in relashionship problems, especially with partners. ADD has been known as one cause of self-estime problems, anxiety problems and disthymia...

              It's also closely related to obssessional behaviors and "risky" behaviors.
              It is also link to bipolar disorders and personnality disorders.
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        • Profile picture of the author Pat Blank
          Originally Posted by purplecone View Post

          Thank you for this link. After reading your post my husband and I researched and tested (unofficially) online for Aspergers. Results, I do not have it, but he probably does. Hmmm. Makes me rethink all the times I got mad at him for acting in ways I considered embarrassing. He had a really high score, and totally identified with all the symptoms we read about. I realize this is not a 'real' diagnosis, but somehow it is a bit comforting to know there likely is a reason that he doesn't pick up on facial and body-language cues.

          By the way, he is extremely creative, writes songs, articles, and books, but won't consider having much of it published.

          Knowing something makes it easier to deal with, so again, thanks for the link.

          Linda
          Just so you know, Aspergers as a name and a specific diagnosis is probably going to disappear and become part of Autism in the next version of the DSM, due out in May 2013. Check out the APA DSM-v Development pages. Current diagnositic practices for Aspergers are extremely varied and inconsistent.

          Aspergers will surely live on - Aspergers is a huge community and a huge market. As you say, knowing makes it easier to deal with!

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      Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

      No, I don't have imaginary diseases.
      Lol...

      Be thankful you don't have it. 'Cause the debilitation leaves nothing to the imagination.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Long
    Diagnosed and confirmed 2 years ago what I'd known internally since I was 6. My ability to focus is almost nil. Counselor who tested me said my scores were the highest she'd seen in 15 years of administering the test. Then she asked me how I even function.


    Oh look! A kitty!!


    Anyway, I find it to be a HUGE hindrance in IM, because I lack the ability to stay focused for an extended period of time is so great. I've finally managed to overcome it to an extent by working in blocks:

    1. 2 hours, then a 15 minute break
    2. 1 hours, then a 15 minute break
    3. 30 minutes, then a 15 minute break

    I repeat #3 as often as I can until I start making too many mistakes to be productive any longer.

    At that point I usually have to call it a day and try not to beat myself up over the fact that I can't pull marathon sessions effectively like so many others can.

    I'd love to say more, but something shiny just caught my eye.....

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    • Profile picture of the author kctang
      Originally Posted by Denise Patton View Post

      This is an interesting post because I've been really grappling with an "attention deficit" issue. I haven't been diagnosed, but I really have a hard time focusing on one thing.

      This has been a life long problem for me and I'm sure one of the reasons it's taken time for me to find success with IM because I'll start one project, drop it and start something else. Sometimes my brain is a flurry of ideas and it takes a lot for me to focus on one task and carry it through to completion.
      I recommend you go talk to a good doc, then.

      Could be a big reason why you're struggling with continuity and execution. Worth looking into.



      Originally Posted by Mike Long View Post

      Diagnosed and confirmed 2 years ago what I'd known internally since I was 6. My ability to focus is almost nil. Counselor who tested me said my scores were the highest she'd seen in 15 years of administering the test. Then she asked me how I even function.


      ~Mike
      Great coping strat, Mike. I like how you staggered it decrescendo.

      Are you on meds now or did you opt not to take them?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Long
        Originally Posted by kctang View Post

        Great coping strat, Mike. I like how you staggered it decrescendo. Are you on meds now or did you opt not to take them?
        Thanks!

        It took me forever to make that adjustment. I don't have much of an ego, but the little bit I do have absolutely REFUSED to let me work in a decrescendo pattern, as you mentioned.

        But it's clear that I'm best at the beginning of my work day, then my focus rapidly deteriorates as the day progresses, so this is the best way for me to get the maximum out of what I have.

        I can't take any of the amphetamine class of meds due to a minor heart condition (a shame, since they helped a lot but sent my blood pressure through the roof), and the non-amphetamine meds didn't help at all.

        All I can say to the doubters is....

        Try to imagine a traffic jam in your brain....an overload of simultaneous thoughts - most of them unrelated. Now imagine that your brain is coated in teflon.

        So you have more thoughts going through your mind than you can possibly filter, and you can't filter them anyway since nothing sticks. I can literally try to grab a thought, move to take action on it, and completely lose the thought in less than 5 seconds because it's been replaced by three new unrelated thoughts or ideas.

        Call it whatever you'd like. All I know is that it's NOT fun.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rezbi
    It's possible I may have ADD, as I can't seem to stick to
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    • Profile picture of the author kctang
      Originally Posted by Rezbi View Post

      It's possible I may have ADD, as I can't seem to stick to
      Lol!

      That's hilarious... You're terrible, Rez .
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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      It's very interesting to note that there are 'drugs" to take for this "condition". I mean seriously if you look at the list of symptoms, it could almost be said that everyone suffers from one of these conditions. I would like to hear from those who take drugs to see what sort of "help" the drugs offer. Do they actually reverse the behaviors?
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      • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
        I used to be on drugs for ADD but they interfered with my other problems so I had to stop them.

        But yeah... they do actually increase focus and concentration. Plus they give you tons of energy They are stimulants after all.
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      • Profile picture of the author kctang
        Originally Posted by ozduc View Post

        It's very interesting to note that there are 'drugs" to take for this "condition". I mean seriously if you look at the list of symptoms, it could almost be said that everyone suffers from one of these conditions. I would like to hear from those who take drugs to see what sort of "help" the drugs offer. Do they actually reverse the behaviors?

        Read my post #26, Oz. Now here's the rest of my reply.


        Meds don't reverse the behaviours (or change your personality, which is another question people have).


        What they do, in simple terms, is they quiet down your brain.

        As Mike said, ADD is like having 10 voices in your head talking simultaneously. I exaggerate... maybe only 3-5 lol :rolleyes:.

        Each voice is something that's nagging and demanding your attention. And you don't have space in your brain to weigh each for its' priority, because your brain is jumping from voice to voice, listening to each one.

        So you constantly feeled pulled, you don't know which to act on.

        Meds makes the voices less 'noisy', and shut some up completely.


        I'm so tempted to get into latent inhibition and the different brain lobes, but I'll be good .
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Long
          Originally Posted by kctang View Post

          Each voice is something that's nagging and demanding your attention. And you don't have space in your brain to weigh each for its' priority, because your brain is jumping from voice to voice, listening to each one.
          Of course, when you say "the voices in your head" people start looking for the straight-jacket!

          I prefer to think of it as... "my brain is simply FAR more efficient than my body's ability to keep up with it!"

          I also believe that our brains operate at various points on a spectrum, and one's ability to focus and properly filter information is not simply a "can" or "cannot" proposition.

          Our society does like to label things for simplicity's sake, but like anything else, the variables in play here are far more complex than that.

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          • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
            I have ADHD. Those in this thread who scoff at the diagnosis, well, I'm glad that you don't have to deal with it. For those of us who actually do, it can cause a multitude of issues that you can't even imagine. It is incredibly insensitive and rude to tell a group of people that they're issue is made up, though.

            While medications can and do help many people, it is not the only answer. Even with medication, the person must also work on strategies that will help overcome the negative aspects of the disorder. Many overcome without medication - it all depends on the degree of the disorder.

            I personally am not taking medication at this time. It did help, tremendously, but it also had negative side effects that outweighed the good in my case.

            However, if you have ever seen a child go from being in trouble all the time and unable to learn to being able to excel almost overnight as a result of the right medication, you would no longer doubt the validity of the diagnosis.

            If there's a big bias toward "yes" in the answers, does it show that internet marketers have a higher than normal incidence of ADD/ADHD, or that internet marketers with tendencies toward ADD/ADHD are more willing to take part in polls than those without them?
            Alexis, I firmly believe that IM has a disproportionately large number of those with ADD and there are a number of reasons for that. I have researched this for a report that I am working on, as a matter of fact. Well, actually the research was more for my own benefit, but it turned into a report for marketers as I went. It won't be ready for a couple more week but I'm working on it...lol.

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        • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
          Originally Posted by kctang View Post



          I'm so tempted to get into latent inhibition and the different brain lobes, but I'll be good .
          That's a whole different thread..lolz.. but something I have studied with greater interest over the past 2 years.

          The add/adhd debate is a volatile one, and is worth studying for anyone who deals with people/clients/customers.. Learning about it has connected with my learning of the mind/psyche... etc

          Shoot me a PM when your product is finished?....

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            • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              If there's a big bias toward "yes" in the answers, does it show that internet marketers have a higher than normal incidence of ADD/ADHD, or that internet marketers with tendencies toward ADD/ADHD are more willing to take part in polls than those without them?
              It shows that people with ADHD are more likely to read and respond to a poll about ADHD.

              (Not to say there aren't a lot of internet marketers with ADHD. I don't disagree with that statement.)
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  • Profile picture of the author willyboy104
    very interesting subject, I never thought about it but I suppose the IM career line does have a lot of people who have ADD along with entrepreneurs in general I would assume.

    Not sure myself if I have it, I would assume I have a low form of it however I am off to read the symptoms properly now.

    Edit: Interesting some of the symptoms seem very related to myself, but then I wouldn't say enough of them were. Perhaps if there is a lower case of it then perhaps I have that otherwise I am just your average joe
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    • Profile picture of the author kctang
      Originally Posted by willyboy104 View Post

      very interesting subject, I never thought about it but I suppose the IM career line does have a lot of people who have ADD along with entrepreneurs in general I would assume.

      Not sure myself if I have it, I would assume I have a low form of it however I am off to read the symptoms properly now.

      My take on the 'low form of ADD' is that there's the whole left-brained/ right-brained distinction, and the disorder ADD lies on the extreme right end of the spectrum.

      So you'll have people who are right-brained creative types--- like artists and entrepreneurs--- who have the symptoms mildly, but not to the point that its debilitating. And so they have ADD but can still function properly in our modern day left-brained society.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hyaku_Man
        I think I am ADD though I've never been diagnosed for it. I always assumed that ADD=hyperactive, and I'm pretty laid back so I always thought it didn't describe me. But the more I learn about what it actually is the more I think I have it. I do get very bored with doing the same thing all the time, I get very bored with small talk and kind of spike conversations with things I shouldn't because if I don't make it interesting I'll almost fall asleep, and danger puts me in the zone. I've travelled to some of the most dangerous places in the world, and it doesn't make me scared, it gives me supreme focus.

        In terms of IM it does make it hard for me to focus on one task or be persistent about sticking to one method for very long. That's where being disciplined and having a systematic routine comes in. Though I flopped today.
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        • Profile picture of the author kctang
          Originally Posted by Hyaku_Man View Post

          I think I am ADD though I've never been diagnosed for it. I always assumed that ADD=hyperactive, and I'm pretty laid back so I always thought it didn't describe me. But the more I learn about what it actually is the more I think I have it. I do get very bored with doing the same thing all the time, I get very bored with small talk and kind of spike conversations with things I shouldn't because if I don't make it interesting I'll almost fall asleep, and danger puts me in the zone. I've travelled to some of the most dangerous places in the world, and it doesn't make me scared, it gives me supreme focus.

          In terms of IM it does make it hard for me to focus on one task or be persistent about sticking to one method for very long. That's where being disciplined and having a systematic routine comes in. Though I flopped today.
          Look up ADD Inattentive Type. Its the subtype that I have.

          Totally know what you mean by 'focusing in danger' and 'being out of line' for a cheap thrill.



          @TelegramSam, I get where you're coming from. Wont be flaming, as you're not the first or the last person I'll meet who doesn't believe in ADD. And I agree with you that meds aren't always the answer.

          Like Mike said, if you don't have it, you won't know how it feels.

          But it is a touchy subject, and anytime the topic of medication and behaviour come up, its a hot topic for debate. Brings up a lot of people's individual belief systems about 'perseverance' and 'willpower' that they've built up over their whole life...

          ...It's only natural that all the strong emotions follow suit.

          I'm up to a conversation on the topic if you want to PM me. It'll give me experience with questions and objections, and I certainly don't mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    Great post KC,

    KC forgot to mention that he is doing a ebook or ADD and I thought the IM niche was a great place to test it.

    We joke (including me) about having ADD and needing to focus. However when I met KC at the last Toronto Meetup, he educated me on what it really was and how serious it was. Before that I would joke around and say yeah, since I got 10 different programs on the go and never doing only one thing at a time (I should and suggest it). So now I would say I dont know of i I do or dont.

    Cannot wait for your ebook.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    What a very sad thread...

    I bet the drug companies are absolutely thrilled with this thread.

    They have created some incredibly powerful marketing campaigns on this and other hocus pocus. And not by using internet marketing.

    They are laughing all the way to the bank.

    If this has upset anyone who thinks they have "ADD" then maybe that is a good thing. Are you being conned into believing this?

    I'm not saying there aren't things that can affect people mentally, but I am saying that drug$ aren't the answer.

    If it makes you feel better, have a rant at me.

    Anyway, don't get me started...
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    LOL... I do not think I have ever laughed this hard reading a thread on WF. Just to be clear I DO NOT have ADD, but I was a teacher for about two years, about ten years ago... And I had to take a crash course on dealing with children who were diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. I already knew a bit about it because my baby brother was diagnosed with ADHD as a child. Anyway, in addition to NOT being able to focus properly (this is due to a chemical imbalance in the brain, hence the meds) children with ADD or ADHD can not follow multiple choice tasks or follow multiple instructions. NOW not to be confused with starting multiple projects and not finishing as some of you have mentioned. For example, in the classroom when a teacher must give multiple directions those who have the disorder will become completely oblivious to the teacher. This is why it is important to divide the class in smaller groups, give the children ONE task at a time and guide them through it so they can focus and finish, THEN on to task number Two. It sounds tedious, but believe it or not with the little ones it works wonders. The minute you give that child multiple instructions you would have COMPLETELY lost them, this is because of their inability to focus, if they can not focus on one project they sure are not going to pay attention in one with multiple parts.

    The list goes on, because the disorders are a bit more complicated and have different levels of severity. To top it off, I do want to add that in the crash course we also learned that children with ADD or ADHD have areas of the brain working much faster than the others, and some hence resulting in some of the children being absolutely brilliant with certain subjects, and that was where we had to take advantage and help get them motivated and stay focused. It was rather interesting to learn all of that, who knows maybe if I ever decide to do a Masters I will do something along the lines of Child Psychology. But for the meantime I will work my therapy on the forum....

    Thanks for the laugh everyone!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      NOW not to be confused with starting multiple projects and not finishing as some of you have mentioned.
      That is also a symptom but tends to be exhibited more by adults than kids with ADD. It stems from getting bored too easily as well as being distracted.

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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Boing, boing.

    Boing, boing, boing.

    Oh, hi folks. I forgot you were here.

    Boing, boing, boing.

    I'm back now. Boing. Well, I think I'm back.

    I'm a little put off when people who do not have ADD or ADHD, and have never studied it, pull an ignorant belief out of the air, and say ADD, ADHD don't really exist. That is like someone who has never been addicted to nicotine saying, "It's not an addiction. Anybody can just quit."

    When I was a child (in the 1950's) every one of my school report cards was marked with "Does not exercise self control." I didn't understand. Neither did my parents or my teachers. "Just sit still," they would tell me. Couldn't happen.

    I first heard about ADD/ADHD around 1991, and wondered if it was part of me. A few years later while attending a Jay Abraham marketing bootcamp, I met a physician from Texas - Paul Elliott, MD. He had developed an interest in working with ADD and ADHD folks, so I spent some time talking with him. He suggested I be evaluated as soon as I returned home from the bootcamp.

    I did so, first with a psychologist at the HMO, then with a psychiatrist at the HMO. Both said I am a text-book case. So, 16 years ago I began medication for it.

    I don't know if I can really find the words to express how much better life and work is with medication. The docs told me I wouldn't notice the difference at first, but family, employees, and friends would.

    Wow! Almost immediately my wife saw a difference in me. We watched a short 30 minute TV show, and afterword she was giving me a strange look. Then she said, "In all the years I've known you, I have never before seen you watch a TV show all the way through until now. You would always get up to go fidget with something 4 or 5 times during a show.

    I wasn't even aware.

    If you suspect you have ADD or ADHD, get evaluated. If you do have it, the medicine will change you life for the better.

    :-Don
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  • I'm a little put off when people who do not have ADD and ADHD, and have never studied it, pull an ignorant belief out of the air, and say ADD, ADHD don't really exist. That is like someone who has never been addicted to nicotine saying, "It's not an addiction. Anybody can just quit."
    I have to agree... Most people do not understand that ADD or ADHD are actual mental health disorder. I do not have it but I know quite a few people that do; all of whom are extremely smart. As someone else said in here, it is a chemical imbalance in the brain and medications are prescribed in order to control this imbalance. I also have to point out that ever since the disorder was given a "name", the medications have improved dramatically. I remember a cousin taking Ritalin and being completely on another planet, she was not herself. So much so, that often enough her parents preferred not medicating her. Today the medications are much better and there is a wider selection catered to the different levels of severity.

    However, I do have to add that a lot of parents do not discipline their children adequately and then blame it on ADHD... : (
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    I did not fill out your poll because you left out the most important option:

    IMADD™

    Internet
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    Attention
    Deficit
    Disorder

    That's what I have. But you were wise not to try to include it. I own the trademark and would have sued you cross-eyed had you used it. Yes, I am insane. Thanks for noticing. Just don't look me in the eye for very long and you'll probably survive.

    Mad Dog Zeus
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by Razer Rage View Post

      I bet that's why you wear sunglasses all the time.
      I'm even thinking about having my entire head tattooed blue so I can look exactly like the little blue cool guy icon -

      That's called commitment people!
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  • Profile picture of the author mjhult
    I KNOW I have it, but never been diagnosed. It works for me, ya know!
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    I also agree with Don, Love the folks who do not understand it and have the answer for it. They remind me of the people with no children and always have the answer for a problem with what they would do if it were their kid.

    I have ADD. Diagnosed by DR. and life. By that I mean I used to think everyone thought 5 things at the same time. My conversations seem to jump around for someone talking to me but they don't know I already finished the conversation in my head and are already at a different point and dammit they should see the connection, but many times they don't.

    I mean diagnosed by life in the destruction caused by the lack of patience in so many situations that cost me dearly in the long run. The creativity is a strength I embrace and use and hold on to as a positive. Breaks help, morning is better and when I am "on" its beautiful. ADD and IM go together very well but over the years I have learned the break thing and other tricks to take advantage of the creativity.

    But I still have struggles, piss myself off all the time, and keep trying.
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    • Profile picture of the author kctang
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      I own the trademark and would have sued you cross-eyed had you used it. Yes, I am insane. Thanks for noticing. Just don't look me in the eye for very long and you'll probably survive.

      Mad Dog Zeus
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      My conversations seem to jump around for someone talking to me but they don't know I already finished the conversation in my head and are already at a different point and dammit they should see the connection, but many times they don't.
      LOL. These are the times when I wish I had more 'thanks' to give out. You guys are hilarious.



      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      But I still have struggles, piss myself off all the time, and keep trying.
      Props, pav... the emotional rollercoaster ride we have is definitely a tiring one. Kudos to you to keep trying. Respect.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindseyRainwater
      I haven't been officially diagnosed by a doctor, but every person who knows about the subject that I, my Mom, and my husband have talked to hear my symptoms and go "Yup. ADD." When they see me stop in the middle of sentences and go off to La La Land, they really think so.

      I probably would have been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD, but I was homeschooled, so I didn't have teachers to drive up the wall.

      I was told by a Dr. that I very likely had it, but he didn't test for it. He said that by tackling a lifestyle that worked with it I was probably doing just fine. (He was not a fan of medicating. He said cut back on anything that would make me hyper, and try some things like yoga and meditation before I turned to pills of any kind.) Maybe he was a quack, but I seem to be doing alright following his advice.

      I'm trying to get into Internet Marketing. I'm a freelance writer, and it works well because I'm actually better at bouncing between subjects than some of my fellow writers. Unfortunately they are better at staying in their chairs and working than I am. I'm getting much better though. The trick is to find certain words or thoughts that you can feed yourself when you feel your concentration floating away.

      Thankfully my husband and Mom are very supportive and try to help me find ways to keep it under control. They often tell me I'm something like brilliance incarnate, but the trouble is it's incarnated in chaos, so it's hard to see. I get a kick out of that.

      I laugh, sit at my computer for five minutes, and then absently wander outside to visit my horse, daydreaming all the while. (Mostly joking.)

      I think these careers are good for ADD people because they allow creativity. Also, most ADD and ADHD individuals I've met have something that they can focus on for hours at a time. For one, it was motorcycles. He used it to his advantage and started a Harley maintenance shop. For me, it's writing, and hopefully marketing.

      No matter how frustrated you get with your attention deficitness, remember that you have strengths as well. Find them, hone them, and you'll do great.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Hocking
      I definetely have Internet Marketing ADHD. When I look at my godady list and realize I have started over 120 websites.

      It is hard for me to focus on one thing. There is always another idea that needs to be tested.
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      • Profile picture of the author kctang
        Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

        IMADD™

        Internet
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        Attention
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        Disorder

        That's what I have. But you were wise not to try to include it. I own the trademark and would have sued you cross-eyed had you used it.
        Originally Posted by John Hocking View Post

        I definetely have Internet Marketing ADHD. When I look at my godady list and realize I have started over 120 websites.


        Oh Snap, Zeus!!

        He bypassed your trademark by adding an H to the term!!! What Now?!?!
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
          I think a lot of internet marketers are ADD, as I said but I don't believe there is a solid link between that and creativity. I know plenty of creative people who are nowhere near ADD/ADHD. I think there are still some mysteries of the mind that will never be solved.

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        • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
          Originally Posted by kctang View Post

          Oh Snap, Zeus!!

          He bypassed your trademark by adding an H to the term!!! What Now?!?!
          I know. I was instantly alerted by the script I've hacked into this entire forum. I know instantaneously whenever someone infringes my trademarks, libels me, or generally does something that I do not approve of. All those newbies who are here one day and gone the next? Yep, it was me.

          Vee haff vays off makink you talk!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Brimeyer
      Originally Posted by pavionjsl View Post

      I also agree with Don, Love the folks who do not understand it and have the answer for it. They remind me of the people with no children and always have the answer for a problem with what they would do if it were their kid.

      I have ADD. Diagnosed by DR. and life.
      It's stuff like this that cracks me up...

      You're talking about a condition that Doctors themselves don't even understand the least bit about.

      You guys talk about ADD as if it is some sort of "genetic trait" that you are born with or like ADD is what gives an artist their creativity.

      That's a bunch of bull.

      I will say that ADD & ADHD are entirely overly diagnosed and medication is entirely over-prescribed because today if a kid today actually wants to be a kid and act like a kid then he's automatically ADD.

      But there is also a lot of research into neuro-physiology of ADD & ADHD and what causes it.

      My wife and tons of other practitioners that she is connected with are able to help kids/people get rid of ADD easy. There is always an underlying cause of it all.

      In fact, you can use neurotransmitter therpy to reverse ADD & ADHD within minutes but this method won't necessarily get to the underlying cause of the problem. That takes a little more effort.
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      • Profile picture of the author kctang
        Originally Posted by Tom Brimeyer View Post

        It's stuff like this that cracks me up...

        You're talking about a condition that Doctors themselves don't even understand the least bit about.

        You guys talk about ADD as if it is some sort of "genetic trait" that you are born with or like ADD is what gives an artist their creativity.
        Let's try to stay away from the generalizations. Certainly, there is much more to be discovered, but doctors do understand more than just 'the least bit'.

        You talk as if ADD isn't 'some sort of genetic trait'. Neuroscience research begs to differ. 30% chance to have ADD if one parent has it. 50% chance if both your parents have it.

        If you have a twin with ADD, regardless of whether you were raised in the same household or separated at birth, 75% chance you have it too. Testing of children raised in similar environmental factors disproves nurture/environmental contribution towards presence of ADD.

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        Originally Posted by Tom Brimeyer View Post

        I will say that ADD & ADHD are entirely overly diagnosed and medication is entirely over-prescribed because today if a kid today actually wants to be a kid and act like a kid then he's automatically ADD.

        But there is also a lot of research into neuro-physiology of ADD & ADHD and what causes it.

        My wife and tons of other practitioners that she is connected with are able to help kids/people get rid of ADD easy. There is always an underlying cause of it all.

        In fact, you can use neurotransmitter therpy to reverse ADD & ADHD within minutes but this method won't necessarily get to the underlying cause of the problem. That takes a little more effort.
        I'm impressed that your wife and other practictioners can reverse the frontal lobe and temporal lobe size reduction, and gray/white matter ratio in the brains of ADD kids/people with a method that takes 'a little more effort'.

        (Normally I'd stop and listen more about this method. But your words have certainly peeved me.)



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        I will say that ADD & ADHD are entirely overly diagnosed and medication is entirely over-prescribed because today if a kid today actually wants to be a kid and act like a kid then he's automatically ADD.
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        "A couple of simple truths have become clear, that the suffering of children with mental health issues (and their parents) is very real. That almost no parent takes the issue of psychiatric diagnosis lightly or rushes to 'drug' his or her child; and that responsible child psychiatrists don't, either. And that many children's lives are essentially saved by medication, particularly when it's combined with evidence-based forms of therapy."
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  • Profile picture of the author redfan
    I love Internet Mar

    Let's go ride our bikes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
    No, I am not someone fighting with ADHD, but fighting to save ADHD children by stopping them from taking those suicidal ADHD prescription drugs. You may check out my signature, that will lead you to some effective natural treatments for adult ADHD as well...
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    • Profile picture of the author kctang
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Learning about it has connected with my learning of the mind/psyche... etc

      Shoot me a PM when your product is finished?....

      Peace

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      Definitely... you sound like someone whom I'd enjoy a long convo with regarding where the line is drawn between identity and biochemistry...


      Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

      No, I am not someone fighting with ADHD, but fighting to save ADHD children by stopping them from taking those suicidal ADHD prescription drugs. You may check out my signature, that will lead you to some effective natural treatments for adult ADHD as well...
      Guess I'm on the path to suicide...

      I don't mind the product plug, but you should at least vote in the poll
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      • Profile picture of the author redfan
        Originally Posted by kctang View Post


        Guess I'm on the path to suicide...

        I don't mind the product plug, but you should at least vote in the poll
        lolz busted!
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      • Profile picture of the author Spencer Jones
        Originally Posted by kctang View Post

        but you should at least vote in the poll
        Voted... By the way, don't forget that there is a problem with over-diagnosis in ADHD area, if everyone starts doubting, if they are having ADHD, then there is a good chance of getting misdiagnosed.

        Also think about this for a moment, what's the reason why westerners (mostly americans) are having so much trouble with ADD/ADHD while most of our people in India and even other countries have never even heard about ADHD ? I strongly believe it's your food and lifestyle. You take too much hyper foods, especially those sodas/juices/sugars/junk foods. Try cutting those junk, and I bet you'll feel much better...
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
          Originally Posted by Spencer Jones View Post

          Also think about this for a moment, what's the reason why westerners (mostly americans) are having so much trouble with ADD/ADHD while most of our people in India and even other countries have never even heard about ADHD ? I strongly believe it's your food and lifestyle. You take too much hyper foods, especially those sodas/juices/sugars/junk foods. Try cutting those junk, and I bet you'll feel much better...

          Studies have been done, and most of them show that you're exactly right. The high carb/sugar diets contribute to it a lot. We love our high fructose corn syrup here. That and our culture doesn't help either.

          BTW I dont think it's a "disease" or "disorder". I do think it exists, but people have full control over it if they want to. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing either, it works well for a lot of things.
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  • Profile picture of the author purplecone
    I have been unofficially diagnosed with ADD. My son was officially diagnosed with ADD, at which time the doctor told me it runs in families and I (or my husband) would have tendencies toward it, too.

    A review of family members and my own life confirms that the tendencies manifest quite often.

    Caffiene is a natural over the counter medication often recommended by pharmacists in my area for ADHD people who do not wish to take the precription meds. Coffee and tea have been constant companions to everyone in my family, so we have been self-medicating for years without knowing it.

    Caffiene is my friend. Without it, I cannot function.

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  • Profile picture of the author scott g
    i've been diagnosed with adhd, bipolar type 1, and panic attack disease (anxiety)!

    woohoo!

    yes i take my medicine daily lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author TSCarter
    I must have ADD/ADHD since I read the OP, then 2 replies...then got bored..and scrolled down to the bottom.
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  • Profile picture of the author graemewallis
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    Very interesting poll. I'm surprise that a lot of people have been diagnosed with ADD/ADHD.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid but learned how to control it through dietary changes and life experiences.

      Being a competitive sprinter for 12 years helped a lot with developing my ability to focus on goals. Studying martial arts for a number of years was also extremely helpful too because it requires strong effort to concentrate and focus to master the techniques correctly. I saw a major jump in my college GPA once I started training in martial arts.

      Ironically, I started drinking loads of coffee years ago to help with the regular fatigue brought on by the long hours at my massage therapy center. It was only recently I found out that caffeine is supposed to be helpful to people with ADD. As a parent with 2 little ones... well, caffeine is my competitive edge to keep up with them.

      A more interesting poll would be how many self-employed people have some level of ADD.

      Self-employed easily lends itself to multi-tasking and having multiple open projects at once... rather than the traditional straight-line J.O.B. with very specific job responsibilities and tasks. It's the traditional "assembly line" job that so many entrepreneurs gladly ran away from.

      In my opinion, that's actually playing to the natural tendencies of those who have some level of ADD.

      Take care,

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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        In my opinion, that's actually playing to the natural tendencies of those who have some level of ADD.
        Mike, that is exactly right. That is why you will see a disproportionately large number of ADD people in the high stimulation, rapidly changing career paths or self-employment. It works with our strengths instead of trying to change our weaknesses.

        I call it ADD because the medical world does but I agree with posters who say it's not a disorder, as such. Our brains work a bit differently but it's not a disability if channeled properly and worked with. There are some who are extreme where medication is needed but many of us function just fine with the proper structures in place.

        I also agree with the fact that our western diet is probably making the problem worse but the results of sugar and starch overload may look like ADHD symptoms but it's not the same. There are factors beyond the hyperactivity, such as impulsivity and judgment, which factor into it.

        I've seen it speculated (by experts) and it makes sense to me, that America has higher rations of ADD due to genetic disposition. After all, who more likely to get fed up with how it is and take off in ships to find a brand new country? Those with ADHD. If that is the case, Americans have passed down the genes that contribute to the disorder. And it has been proven to be hereditary to a large degree.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    I change to no, that I made it back to the end....
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    The upside to having ADD is the ability to "Hyper focus."
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  • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
    Well, marketing for instance is part of seeking "attention" and also providing "attention" so there might be instances where most people under this category are effective since they're fighting for this attention grabbing deficiency - not too bad at all but I can say I am also fortunate to feel I haven't had ADHD.
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    • Profile picture of the author the french newbie
      Hi Tyrone!

      I really like your analogy... Very interesting way to look at it!
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  • Profile picture of the author dseisner
    If you mean completing one project 90% and then getting distracted by an email, then responding to that email and getting distracted by a video before I send the email and then take a phone call half way through the video, then yes, I have ADD.

    I was on my way to find something else when I stopped by this thread...
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  • Profile picture of the author kquan
    I myself have a overwelming curiousity, I don't find myself to have ADD. However, I am a dancer and I'm surrounded by many insanely talented people. All of my close friends, and super talented dancers have ADHD and ADD. Why? I notice that these people have a tendency to not follow normal rules and they have a tendency to be much more expressive than average. Yeah, I agree with this post 100%
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
      Originally Posted by kquan View Post

      All of my close friends, and super talented dancers have ADHD and ADD. Why? I notice that these people have a tendency to not follow normal rules and they have a tendency to be much more expressive than average. Yeah, I agree with this post 100%
      I have noticed the same thing. ADD people tend to be much less focused, but they are more expressive and less likely to follow the rules, which are good qualities in an entrepreneur.
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  • Profile picture of the author spearce000
    I voted "maybe" because I'm probably borderline. I think a lot of creative people are sufferers -- which is why the idea of a boring j-o-b is so unatractive.
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    • Profile picture of the author livebig!
      I know this thread is a little old (almost a month), but I've just been recently diagnosed with ADHD and I've been trying to get into IM for the better part of five years.

      I'm working in a job I hate and the company is closing within the next couple months. I have idea upon idea upon idea and yet I have no follow-through. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do?

      I stopped taking my Ritalin, because I find it has a ton of side effects and I get really angry while taking it (as in I'm gonna kill somebody angry).

      I'm at my wit's end, and I really wish I could make this all go away and move on to becoming more successful. I absolutely hate this feeling of being controlled by my ADHD.
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      • Profile picture of the author kctang
        Hey livebig, I hear your pain, bro.

        I'll start by disclaiming that I am not a medical professional, and they should be sought for specific advice, especially regarding medication. Now let's begin.

        I was at the CADDAC conference in Toronto 2 weeks ago, and much advice was given regarding medication, via Dr Thomas E Brown and others. Here's what comes to mind.

        If Ritalin (or any other specific med) is giving you strong side effects, there are many possibilities to consider. If side effects (like your irritability) are too strong, the problem could be:

        1) the dosage of your Ritalin is too high and needs to be lowered
        2) the 'short acting' version of Ritalin crashes too hard and you should try the long acting kind (if it is the short acting version you're on)
        3) Stimulant meds rub you the wrong way, and you should try non-stimulant ADHD meds

        Pm me when you get a chance, and I'll share more about what I heard from the docs.

        Originally Posted by livebig! View Post

        I have idea upon idea upon idea and yet I have no follow-through. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do?

        I'm at my wit's end, and I really wish I could make this all go away and move on to becoming more successful. I absolutely hate this feeling of being controlled by my ADHD.
        Amen, brutha, Amen. I can totally relate, and I have some ideas. I can't promise anything, but I hope my experiences will be able to help. Write me.
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  • Profile picture of the author wallstreeterwww
    I have OCD so i probably fall into that category somewhere. You should do well with this niche because you understand the problem well. Just keep writing lots and lots of keyword rich articles and you should have urself a nice little money maker.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Originally Posted by kctang View Post

    I'm KC,

    Newbie in IM and will be specializing in ADD/ADHD 'cause I have it.

    Was talking to Mukul at the Toronto Mastermind meeting and he joked how ADHD is almost a prerequisite for someone to be in Internet Marketing, lol.

    He's never been diagnosed, but he has his suspicions, and he likes to brag about it. I also know some of the 'big names' like Tellman and Kern have been diagnosed with it.


    So that begs the question...



    How many of you IMers out there really have ADD/ADHD?

    And how many of you have never been diagnosed, but think you might have it?



    Fill out the poll, let me know, thanks
    I think it is possible... hey look at the pretty bird. I'm sorry, what was the question?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mokai
    i have website ADD i start soemthing then dont finish and start another ...

    just kidding but i used to be like that a while ago but had to cure myself becaue nothing ever gets done like that
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Donea
    Incredible!

    I found this thread and it just resumed all my life in two pages...I've been struggling so hard with a lot of aspects that come along with ADHD, and the fact that I am aware of what's going on right now is a life changer.
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