Why Do People Write Like This? OMG

14 years ago

Send me a topic. I'll write you an article. No strings attached.

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Intrepreneur

14 years ago

You need an intelligent writer. I mean really intelligent. Unfortunately they're hard to come by. You just gotta read half the junk sold on the internet to see this.

In fact I don't think you'll find the quality you need unless you pay a lot more than the average person offers.

So it's either pay a lot more or suffer with poor article writers.

P.S: I'm game for the same as the person above.

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Mark Blaze 14 years ago

Thanks for your replies but see that's the problem!

You can write fantastic articles but you charge per article? you won't even think about working for anyone full time and most of the people who write well don't know how to do any of the other stuff!

It's not even a case of writing well either... you have to be able to grab the niches problems, emotions and then stretch them and sell them without selling!

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Raydal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Blaze

Hello,

Im seriously at breaking point and don't care if i have to pay someone $1,000+ a month if they are any good as long as they can bloody right on the niches feelings, emotions and problems and not wikipedia stats!

Where do you guys find your longterm outsourcers?

Mark Blaze

What you are describing is copywriting and not article writing. This takes
research and skill and you'll have to pay a LOT more than $1000 per month
for this kind of work.

Sounds like you are getting what you pay for.

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nathan Segal

Ah, but that's the beauty of being a freelancer. I would NEVER want to write for anyone full-time. Might as well put a leash around my neck, but then again, I'm not interested in the work once, get paid once scenario. What I'm looking for are JV's with people who are into royalty income.

But everyone here has the attitude that they want to build a business where they can make more and more and more money and not be stuck in a 9 till 5 forever!

This is not the ideal place to find a virtual assistant at all! We are too 'clever'.

Originally Posted by Laura Knight

So you're looking for a copywriter perhaps...or maybe not quite to that extent, but someone who can find the pain of your niche and drive it home. It's called sales, and I have over 20 years of experience in that. Once you change the way you view it..."I'm going to sell you something" to "I'm going to help you choose what you need"...then you will be truly successful at sales. I'm a natural at this, but not so sure I would want to put all my eggs in one basket by working for one person. Maybe that's more the problem than anything.

Maybe your right about all the eggs in one basket but often with people who do small jobs here and there they actually prefer to have a stable fixed income and that security (job security if you like)!

Originally Posted by Raydal

What you are describing is copywriting and not article writing. This takes
research and skill and you'll have to pay a LOT more than $1000 per month
for this kind of work.

Sounds like you are getting what you pay for.

-Ray Edwards

Nope it's not copywriting at all really! Ok maybe simple copywriting!

It's just basic knowledge that if you are pale skinned and a woman then you want a bikini tan you can be proud of that wont run and that doesn't look orange, not even mentioning how easy it is to apply!

Same goes for people who want 6 pack abs, they want it without all the work, the quick and easy route and they want the women because of them!

How hard can it be to use thing's like that instead of 'in 1962 fake tan was invented and was comprised of goats blood and pig fat'! Ok a bit extreme but come on are they all brain dead?

Im now searching in other places and other countries to see what's about but my goodness i never realized how hard it could be!

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cindybidar

14 years ago

It's just basic knowledge that if you are pale skinned and a woman then you want a bikini tan you can be proud of that wont run and that doesn't look orange, not even mentioning how easy it is to apply!

Same goes for people who want 6 pack abs, they want it without all the work, the quick and easy route and they want the women because of them!

How hard can it be to use thing's like that instead of 'in 1962 fake tan was invented and was comprised of goats blood and pig fat'! Ok a bit extreme but come on are they all brain dead?

Something you - and most other people that hire offshore - probably haven't considered: non-Americans will *never* be able to write what you're looking for. They don't have the cultural background. They can recite the facts, but they will never truly understand the culture and what might drive women to want a spray-on tan or men to want 6-pack abs. Or even what 6-pack abs are, for that matter.

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Laura Knight

I disagree with you on this Ray, though we did both kind of think along the same lines. Writing persuasive articles is different than copywriting. I can write a very persuasive article, yet I would not consider myself a copywriter. Writing persuasive articles is simply about knowing your niche and writing about the points of pain as they relate to the product you have in mind. They're also typically much shorter in length, and can be done in about an hour if you know what your niche is. If you need to do research, then it will likely take longer than that. For me, I understand the importance of home insurance because I was doing it for 20 years. I also understand about building relationships and being a trusted adviser, so for these topics, I can and have written a 600 word article draft in about 15 minutes, and they were very persuasive.

And the question begs to be asked Mark...how many hours of work are involved to make this $1000 a month? Maybe what's full time for you, isn't full time for someone else...

8 Hours a Day 5 days a Week!

I.e. a Typical 9 till 5!

Works out to be about $6.25 an hour! Which isn't all that bad a pay rate and higher than some states in america too.

But then the VA im looking for can be from any country in the world it's just finding someone good enough and especially who can write even half decently!

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Intrepreneur 14 years ago

$6.25 per hour?

Ok I'll write 69 words per hour.

I think the consensus already is that if you don't pay more you don't get more. You also don't get good quality writing.

I've been there done that and I'll definitely say cheap article writers aren't really worth it. Unless you want to make some junk PLR by putting the articles together into an ebook after carefully choosing the titles to match your chapters.
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Melanie Crouse

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Blaze

8 Hours a Day 5 days a Week!

I.e. a Typical 9 till 5!

Works out to be about $6.25 an hour! Which isn't all that bad a pay rate and higher than some states in america too.

But then the VA im looking for can be from any country in the world it's just finding someone good enough and especially who can write even half decently!

Mark Blaze

For $6.25 per hour you're NOT going to get anywhere near what you're looking for! Sheesh minimum wage where I am is $8.50 and I make $30 at my day job.

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FrankBowman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Blaze

8 Hours a Day 5 days a Week!..........

Works out to be about $6.25 an hour! ....

Mark Blaze

No offense but thats less than the minimum wage in the US. Thats why you're having problems with writers because they are probably from a country where $5.00, for example, is a lot of money.

This is why I try to always write mine own stuff......or at least re-write PLR.....hey, I try

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Rezbi

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Blaze

8 Hours a Day 5 days a Week!

I.e. a Typical 9 till 5!

Works out to be about $6.25 an hour! Which isn't all that bad a pay rate and higher than some states in america too.

But then the VA im looking for can be from any country in the world it's just finding someone good enough and especially who can write even half decently!

Mark Blaze

That's not even minimum wage.

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Raydal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Laura Knight

I disagree with you on this Ray, though we did both kind of think along the same lines. Writing persuasive articles is different than copywriting. I can write a very persuasive article, yet I would not consider myself a copywriter. Writing persuasive articles is simply about knowing your niche and writing about the points of pain as they relate to the product you have in mind. They're also typically much shorter in length, and can be done in about an hour if you know what your niche is. If you need to do research, then it will likely take longer than that. For me, I understand the importance of home insurance because I was doing it for 20 years. I also understand about building relationships and being a trusted adviser, so for these topics, I can and have written a 600 word article draft in about 15 minutes, and they were very persuasive.

And the question begs to be asked Mark...how many hours of work are involved to make this $1000 a month? Maybe what's full time for you, isn't full time for someone else...

In my estimation as soon as you are writing to emotions, feelings and
to persuade the reader to take action that's copywriting.

You are not simply doling out facts and wanting to entertain but to
PERSUADE. If there is another definition of copywriting then I've
missed the boat.

Article writing and copywriting meet at White Paper writing. But
if you ask me to write an article to get the reader to take a
specific ACTION, then it's copywriting for me.

-Ray Edwards

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samstephens

14 years ago

Hi Mark,

You may need to raise your rate a little to get quality. If someone is good enough to provide the quality of writing you want, I don't think they'll work for $6.25 an hour.

You may be better off either dropping the quality level you're after, or instead of paying for full time, work out how many aritcles you expect to be written in a full work week, and then pay by that number.

That way you may get a freelancer who can produce the quality and the turnover that you need. And they may do it in less than 8 hours per day, which is probably the key here.

Just a thought.

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paulie888

14 years ago

Mark, to find a persuasive and intelligent article writer that is able to skillfully sell something without sounding like a salesman will require that you sift through many ugly ducklings (i.e. writers!) to find someone that suits your style and taste in article writing. I know exactly what you mean and feel your pain, because I've seen and scanned through the published work of many outsourcers, and I've yet to come across anyone I'd blindly trust to write an article for me (at the very least I'd want to skim through and edit what they write). You either have to go on a tireless quest to find that perfect writer for you, or compromise a little and rely more on quantity in the 'quantity vs. quality' issue. I read somewhere that even Chris Knight (the owner of ezinearticles) has preferred this approach, as it is simply more effective to get someone to write 100 fairly good articles that are distributed all over the internet, versus 10 extremely well written articles that are superb specimens which absolutely cannot be improved on.

Paul

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nathan Segal

Mark, no offense, but that's way out of line.

No way would a good content writer work for that. So my feeling is this, you want great content so that you can do well, or really well financially and you want your writer to starve to death in the meantime?

Mate, you really need to rethink the way you do business, in my opinion. I can't imagine anybody in their right mind who would want to write for you.

Im not specifically looking for people from the USA at all! I know how strong the USD is compared to the New Zealand Dollar so $1000 is alot more over there! Then of course there is still India, Phillipeans and other countries to whom $1000 is alot more than it is in our countries.

Originally Posted by Laura Knight

Well, the problem seems clear to me now. You're not paying enough for a qualified, competent writer that will care about what your niche is feeling. And for those that are earning $6.25 an hour, I'm quite certain that their goal is to move up and move along ASAP! Good Luck! Ray was right! You do get what you pay for!

Laura im talking base rate!

With everyone i have ever hired i have always given them bonus's and pay rises with good work, fast work and using the head and imagination to work.

Originally Posted by samstephens

Hi Mark,

You may need to raise your rate a little to get quality. If someone is good enough to provide the quality of writing you want, I don't think they'll work for $6.25 an hour.

You may be better off either dropping the quality level you're after, or instead of paying for full time, work out how many aritcles you expect to be written in a full work week, and then pay by that number.

That way you may get a freelancer who can produce the quality and the turnover that you need. And they may do it in less than 8 hours per day, which is probably the key here.

Just a thought.

cheers
Sam

Sam that actually might be a good idea! I could hire a quality writer and pay them per article in bulk rates to get that discount which makes it even more worth while and then go and hire a cheaper VA who's english level is not good enough for article writing but will work well for submissions, seo and forum marketing etc

Now to find someone!

Originally Posted by Intrepreneur

$6.25 per hour?

Ok I'll write 69 words per hour.

I think the consensus already is that if you don't pay more you don't get more. You also don't get good quality writing.

I've been there done that and I'll definitely say cheap article writers aren't really worth it. Unless you want to make some junk PLR by putting the articles together into an ebook after carefully choosing the titles to match your chapters.

It's all down to the volume that im looking for and also them not just being a writer, maybe looking for an all round person is the problem and i should stick to seperate jobs per person! Should keep the price down and yet the quality high for those tasks.

Originally Posted by paulie888

Mark, to find a persuasive and intelligent article writer that is able to skillfully sell something without sounding like a salesman will require that you sift through many ugly ducklings (i.e. writers!) to find someone that suits your style and taste in article writing. I know exactly what you mean and feel your pain, because I've seen and scanned through the published work of many outsourcers, and I've yet to come across anyone I'd blindly trust to write an article for me (at the very least I'd want to skim through and edit what they write). You either have to go on a tireless quest to find that perfect writer for you, or compromise a little and rely more on quantity in the 'quantity vs. quality' issue. I read somewhere that even Chris Knight (the owner of ezinearticles) has preferred this approach, as it is simply more effective to get someone to write 100 fairly good articles that are distributed all over the internet, versus 10 extremely well written articles that are superb specimens which absolutely cannot be improved on.

Paul

Thanks Paul for that!

I really do think now that i need to instead find two seperate people to work 'together'.

Once produces the content on a per article rate and who is good at article writing and another person who can submit them, do the seo work and other smaller marketing tasks and who does not need a very high level of english!

Now time to go and find this 'perfect' or near perfect writer!

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FredJones

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Blaze

Im not specifically looking for people from the USA at all! I know how strong the USD is compared to the New Zealand Dollar so $1000 is alot more over there! Then of course there is still India, Phillipeans and other countries to whom $1000 is alot more than it is in our countries.

Seeing Indians getting mentioned, I could not help but jump in. I am an Indian based in India and I was born and brought up in India.

Dude, realize one thing - I know exactly what it means to "outsource" in India. India is a hugely diverse country, and you have right from top-notch Nobel winners in Literature to English speakers that can not distinguish between past and present tenses. So of course those who did not learn their basic education properly (in most areas within India English is taught right from the junior school level) and barely scrapped through their school English exams would not know English too well.

Agreed that in smaller Indian towns (and not the metro cities) $6.25 per hour is good by most standards. But remember, India is a country of 1.2 Billion people. So when you hear that some money is good enough, then that means it is better than what 60-70% people earn (just a ballpark figure). In a poor country where anyway 40-50% of the population does not have the right kind of education and English is a second language, what do you expect to see? Mind, these 40-50% people are the ones below poverty line.

Twist it if that went tangent or over your head. Assuming that your first language is English here - what is your second language? Assuming that you have one and take Spanish (purely as an example) as your second language. Now, given that you are not well-paid, how motivated would you feel to write Spanish articles, and exactly what quality would you produce?

I am taking an unbiased opinion of statistical distribution across all the human minds of the world and assuming that the average greed to become rich is equal in all the countries across the world.

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marcdonovan

14 years ago

Would have to agree. That is a McDonald's "don't give a damn that I forgot your fries" wage. It might be a good wage in India or the Philippines, but you are not going to get the quality you are looking for at that rate.

I've paid for software developers in third-world countries and unless I was paying $20-30 per productive hour, I got junk in return.

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Porcaro

I know this is out of context but most people are on this forum to get away from this type of existence, though I agree it is better than going to a job.

$6.25 an hour, where I live my daughter charges $15.00 an hour to babysit tax free, plus if needed they provide the car and food. And it is only babysitting not nannying.

Sorry to get off track but the $6.25 an hour is not at all a livable rate in any part of the US

Steve the wage comparison was just there as a comparison (maybe ive spent too long talking to the potential assistants from other countries)!

I doubt any of us here would like to work for that rate of pay but then we all have a different mindset and on the whole come from countries where the average pay is alot higher than that.

Originally Posted by marcdonovan

Would have to agree. That is a McDonald's "don't give a damn that I forgot your fries" wage. It might be a good wage in India or the Philippines, but you are not going to get the quality you are looking for at that rate.

I've paid for software developers in third-world countries and unless I was paying $20-30 per productive hour, I got junk in return.

Omg i had to just fire a coder i took on at a full time rate of $1,500 a month who took 8 day's to get 50% through a project that i was quoted a 3 day max (by 3 different people).

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nathan Segal

I'd like to put this in perspective, as a professional writer. My base rate for a 1,000 word article that is researched, with screen shots and other information is $250.00. It's not uncommon for me to earn $500.00 for the same type of article and in some cases I've earned $2,500.00 for a 2,500 word article. That's $1.00/word.

What I really hate on this forum is the race for the bottom, where writers charge ridiculously low rates that wouldn't even keep a flea alive.

Nathan but where is that content being used?

Im not talking about sales copy writing, ebook writing, report's etc etc im talking about crappy article directory articles that make the reader click on the damn link and then my sales writing will push them that little bit further to the buy link!

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cindybidar

Something you - and most other people that hire offshore - probably haven't considered: non-Americans will *never* be able to write what you're looking for. They don't have the cultural background. They can recite the facts, but they will never truly understand the culture and what might drive women to want a spray-on tan or men to want 6-pack abs. Or even what 6-pack abs are, for that matter.

Maybe your right!

I have managed to find some nice article writers from other countries before who wrote at $3 to $6 an article and they were perfect except they could never give me articles on time or were too busy with other clients. Hence the reason i took to looking for just one person or even a company to write for me!

Originally Posted by Melanie Crouse

For $6.25 per hour you're NOT going to get anywhere near what you're looking for! Sheesh minimum wage where I am is $8.50 and I make $30 at my day job.

Im not talking about hiring people from the USA!

Originally Posted by Laura Knight

Ah, so there you have it. You're looking for crappy article directory articles...not quality articles at all! Apples and oranges, my friend!

They don't have to be quality they just have to get into the heads of the prospect and not take stupid facts from wikipedia... those kind of articles are crappy, as long as the person clicks the link it's good! Then i can do the quality articles on the actual website to sell them something or other!

Originally Posted by Nathan Segal

As someone said earlier, you get what you pay for.

You've done a really great job of sinking your own ship here, mate.

Nathan i really think you took this as an attack on yourself and other article writers on the forum.

I hire people from the forum all the time but for every other job than article writing because of the prices, bulk orders and consistancy im looking for in the writer!

Ive paid people here over $20 for a 400 word article just because they changed the context and called it an ebook and have paid them for it over and over again, But that is not the sort of content im looking for right now.

Anyhow....

Thank you everyone for your replies, ass kicking and PM's too!

I have decided to find someone or a company who can provide bulk articles in each of my niches at a reasonable quality and at an affordable rate ($3 to $5 an article)!

I will also hire a not so english savy outsourcer to do the rest of the work for me.

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samstephens

14 years ago

Sam that actually might be a good idea! I could hire a quality writer and pay them per article in bulk rates to get that discount which makes it even more worth while and then go and hire a cheaper VA who's english level is not good enough for article writing but will work well for submissions, seo and forum marketing etc

That sounds like a good plan to me!

I had a look at Laura's website (out of curiosity), and (I hope you don't mind me using your website as an example, Laura!

), it seems she writes articles in packs.

This is probably a common way of doing things (correct me if I'm wrong, Laura and other professional article writers!).

Oh, and just a quick note - $1000 USD is only about $1400 New Zealand Dollars, and NZ living costs are pretty similar to Aussie costs. Forteen hundred per month will cover renting a small unit or townhouse with not quite enough left over to cover your grocery bill. So basically you'd have to hire someone that still lives at home with their mum

Outsourcing to developing countries can be better, but you may sacrifice quality.

For example, I had a look at outsourcing helpdesk staff a little while ago, from India. I could get someone that spoke English pretty cheaply, but if I wanted someone with a tech background level that I needed, I had to pay about $4000 USD per month.

So while it was a little cheaper than outsourcing to someone here in Australia, it wasn't that much cheaper to get the level of experience I needed.

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nickmarch 14 years ago

Mark,

You should hire whomever wrote the pages listed in your signature.

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  Originally Posted by nickmarch
  
  Mark,
  
  You should hire whomever wrote the pages listed in your signature.
  
  Nick
  
  If you mean the wso sales copy's then that would be myself!
  
  Except for the yahoo answers wso which was editted and re-writen by fellow warrior Mark Andrews.
  
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  nickmarch 14 years ago
  
  Mark,
  
  If you wrote the pages linked in your sig then you can surely write about whatever niche you can't find an article writer for.
  
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  Originally Posted by nickmarch
  
  Mark,
  
  If you wrote the pages linked in your sig then you can surely write about whatever niche you can't find an article writer for.
  
  Nick
  
  Yep Nick i could and do!
  
  But the problem is i need more articles than i have time for (especially seeing as i prefer to not work at all *joking*), Hence why im taking the outsourcing road again!
  
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  skibbz 14 years ago
  
  so mark whats the most you are willing to spend? I am sure alot of qualified writers would take up your offer if you stepped it up a bit:rolleyes:
  
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Aira Bongco

14 years ago

Hi Mark,

The key is to give the right instructions and do not settle for less. Placing a magic word inside the instructions always help because this will tell you that they have actually read it.

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by samstephens

That sounds like a good plan to me!

I had a look at Laura's website (out of curiosity), and (I hope you don't mind me using your website as an example, Laura!

), it seems she writes articles in packs.

This is probably a common way of doing things (correct me if I'm wrong, Laura and other professional article writers!).

Oh, and just a quick note - $1000 USD is only about $1400 New Zealand Dollars, and NZ living costs are pretty similar to Aussie costs. Forteen hundred per month will cover renting a small unit or townhouse with not quite enough left over to cover your grocery bill. So basically you'd have to hire someone that still lives at home with their mum

Outsourcing to developing countries can be better, but you may sacrifice quality.

For example, I had a look at outsourcing helpdesk staff a little while ago, from India. I could get someone that spoke English pretty cheaply, but if I wanted someone with a tech background level that I needed, I had to pay about $4000 USD per month.

So while it was a little cheaper than outsourcing to someone here in Australia, it wasn't that much cheaper to get the level of experience I needed.

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Thanks again sam.

Your the one that really opened my mind up to hiring two people instead of just one so it's greatly appreciated!

I think the problem for me personally is that im in the stage of my business where i have about 4 projects that are all ready to go and yet im 'living the internet marketing dream' if you like by taking random vacations, buying the expensive items i really don't need but look cool and generally enjoying life to the full rather than re-investing almost everything back in like i have done for so long now.

I suppose for ease everyone is doing the same as i was and looking for an all rounder who has experience in this and that rather than looking for seperate people who combined do a better job that that one person alone. Plus who are probably more cost effective too!

Originally Posted by airabongco

Hi Mark,

The key is to give the right instructions and do not settle for less. Placing a magic word inside the instructions always help because this will tell you that they have actually read it.

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Great tip their Aira!

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JGLinked

14 years ago

Regardless of what people are being paid or what they are charging, there does seem to be a lack of consistency with so many of the writers on the forums. I am sitting here currently waiting on an order that was placed close to 2 weeks ago, and the writer wont even answer a damn email

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FrankBowman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Nathan Segal

I'd like to put this in perspective, as a professional writer. My base rate for a 1,000 word article that is researched, with screen shots and other information is $250.00. It's not uncommon for me to earn $500.00 for the same type of article and in some cases I've earned $2,500.00 for a 2,500 word article. That's $1.00/word.

What I really hate on this forum is the race for the bottom, where writers charge ridiculously low rates that wouldn't even keep a flea alive.

You know, I don't write for others but I've been told that I write well. If I were to write for others, I'd be happy with a quarter of these prices Nathan,.....well done.

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salegurus

14 years ago

Regarding OP
I can't agree more, i have tried several article writing sources including someone from WF, it's all JUNK! The grammar is simply pathetic. They all advertise themselves as writers with English as first or second language, but the quality is so bad i end up rewriting anyway, money down the tube.

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ezine_platinum.author

14 years ago

Hi All,

Well this is my first day on warrirfoum today and i am surprised to see that all of you love India so much that you guys are not able to strike up a conversation without India in them. Well i do agree that $1000 is like Rs. 45000 (approx) but who said that this amount is too big for Indians.

Poor people are everywhere across the world however that does not mean that people start identifying a country by them. The number of Bankruptcies filed in US is huge.

Today if you want to live a comfortable normal - upper middle class life in India then for a family of 2 (husband and wife), Rs 100000 is considered to be good amount in India.

I worked as a corporate trainer for Bank of America (MBNA) - UK, First Investors - US, Applied Card Systems - US, and i know the number of defaulters my team has come across with.

Well, i just want to say that low rates are charged by freelance writers from these countries as well. But why India is highlighted everytime?

My message is not to offend anybody, it is only my attempt to put my though in front of fellow warriorforum writers.

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samstephens

14 years ago

Well, i just want to say that low rates are charged by freelance writers from these countries as well. But why India is highlighted everytime?

Over the past few years there have been a number of outsourcing companies in India that have promoted Indian workers in IT, citing quality results for cheap prices.

So why is India often brought up regarding cheap outsourcing?

Marketing and PR campaigns from Indian outsources, mostly.

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JGLinked

14 years ago

I have been thru my share of writers, many times having to edit, every once in a great while you can luck into a great writer, then I will pay what is needed to keep them. I am fortunate however, I have bulk orders which generally get a discount.

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Zabrina

14 years ago

And clients wonder why their writers churn out poor work?

1. The writer has bills to pay. You probably need to make $15,000/year just to survive here in Canada (and that's living pretty cheaply, it's not easy).

2. Working forty hours a week, every week, with no vacation, means working 2,080 hours in a year.

3. At least half of the writer's time is probably spent marketing, applying for jobs, finding new clients, invoicing, and doing other necessary tasks. This means spending about 1,000 hours in a year actually writing articles.

4. The clients pay $5 per article (and often even less!), and it takes a writer half an hour to write a decent article.

5. End result? $10,000 in a year. Not even enough to live on.

6. Something (time spent or amount earned per article) has to give, or the writer is starving and homeless. Generally, it's the time taken to write an article, because of the number of clients who are too cheap to pay more.

7. The writer starts to cut down on the time taken to write the article. If the writer spends fifteen minutes per article, they make $20,000 a year and can actually subsist now. Have you ever tried to write a decent article in fifteen minutes? Unless you know the topic well, that's enough time to Google the top few sources, scan them, and frantically type.

8. Client gets finished articles and complains. Finds new writer. Go back to step one.

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Thomas

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Blaze

8 Hours a Day 5 days a Week!

I.e. a Typical 9 till 5!

Works out to be about $6.25 an hour! Which isn't all that bad a pay rate and higher than some states in america too.

But then the VA im looking for can be from any country in the world it's just finding someone good enough and especially who can write even half decently!

Where I come from, $6.25 doesn't even buy you a cup of coffee in the local café. Here, minimum wage is the equivalent of about U.S.$13, and that's for the people likely to be serving your cup of coffee.

You might get a writer to write their own name for that much, but that's it.

Originally Posted by cindybidar

Something you - and most other people that hire offshore - probably haven't considered: non-Americans will *never* be able to write what you're looking for. They don't have the cultural background. They can recite the facts, but they will never truly understand the culture and what might drive women to want a spray-on tan or men to want 6-pack abs. Or even what 6-pack abs are, for that matter.

A pretty sweeping statement! I'm not American, but I know what a six pack is. However, you're right about one thing: I don't get the fake tan thing; since when is looking like an oompa loompa considered attractive?

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Mark Blaze

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Zabrina

And clients wonder why their writers churn out poor work?

1. The writer has bills to pay. You probably need to make $15,000/year just to survive here in Canada (and that's living pretty cheaply, it's not easy).

2. Working forty hours a week, every week, with no vacation, means working 2,080 hours in a year.

3. At least half of the writer's time is probably spent marketing, applying for jobs, finding new clients, invoicing, and doing other necessary tasks. This means spending about 1,000 hours in a year actually writing articles.

4. The clients pay $5 per article (and often even less!), and it takes a writer half an hour to write a decent article.

5. End result? $10,000 in a year. Not even enough to live on.

6. Something (time spent or amount earned per article) has to give, or the writer is starving and homeless. Generally, it's the time taken to write an article, because of the number of clients who are too cheap to pay more.

7. The writer starts to cut down on the time taken to write the article. If the writer spends fifteen minutes per article, they make $20,000 a year and can actually subsist now. Have you ever tried to write a decent article in fifteen minutes? Unless you know the topic well, that's enough time to Google the top few sources, scan them, and frantically type.

8. Client gets finished articles and complains. Finds new writer. Go back to step one.

Point number's 3, 4 and 5 are exactly why i was looking for someone full time! Works out cheaper for me and they get a constant flow of articles and are not wasting the time looking for clients.

Mark Blaze

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Frank Casey

14 years ago

One problem I foresee on hiring a writer (good one or not) is that hey cannot meet all the expectations you want in an article they wrote. If seems like it is not complete based on your requirements. The best out of it is to edit/add some write-ups but worst of it rewrite the whole article. Too bad!

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