I Hate All Of You Warriors!!!!!!

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lol im just kidding I love all of you guys, and girls. But my title grabbed your attention didn't it? Your reading this post and that was my goal as an online marketer to get you to read what I have to offer, and the rest of the chips will fall into place.

What are some of your tricks you use to get potential customers to open your emails, read your articles, or get them to opt-in to your email list, if that is your ultimate goal?

Because lets face it we as Internet marketers are full of useful information when it comes to converting casual visitors into paying customers. Its almost an art form that takes years of trial@error to master.

And I repeat I love the Warriorforum and all of its great members who contribute to each others success, so there is no confusion.
#hate #tricks #warriors
  • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
    Kudos to you!

    I think the most effective one is the type that makes the reader think "uh oh" or.. gets a little split second "eek".

    Kinda like the one you just demonstrated, not ethical, but it probably works
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Yes, you tricked me into reading your post. If I were your potential customer and you tricked me into opening your email with a deceptive subject line, I wouldn't by from you. In fact, I'd unsubscribe immediately unless you had a very compelling reason for lying to me and explained it convincingly in your email.

    By they way, tricking me into reading your email would not be a compelling reason. I'd be very careful about using tricks like this if I were you. You could lose a hefty portion of the list you worked so hard to build.
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    • Profile picture of the author JoeCool
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      By they way, tricking me into reading your email would not be a compelling reason.
      Yep, and all you "clever" warriors that use the "bad news", "sad news" bull*hit email subject lines, guess what? Immediate unsubscribe by me!


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      ~ JoeCool
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  • Profile picture of the author AidenChong
    ARH ! U got me man !

    I love WF too, but I hate it when I am sitting here and reading from post to post for whole day non-stop! LOL ....
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  • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
    I was wondering what you would have posted inside to compensate for such a title!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kella Bella
    Well the great thing about forums is I could see the first line of your text before I clicked the thread open. Had you not said just kidding I don't think I would have clicked. No offense intended I just think getting attention in a negative fashion if someone can't see beyond the headline is not the most positive way to get business :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author frqhuss
    Your title shows how important is header which makes costumer to veiw the offer...
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    This was just an example I am am pretty straightforward with my marketing and I personally do not use subject lines like that especially with my Email marketing. But I get emails like that all the time and apparently they work we are all discussing this right?

    My point is sometimes you have to be a little sneaky about your subject lines or it wont grab their attention, and they will not read your email if its boring and thats money down the toilet essentially.

    And to answer a previous comment If I actually did do this I would compensate with a joke ha ha I made you look you dirty crook. Lmao what am I ten? I would just make them laugh and point them in the right direction with a friendly joke, and a helpful product they might find helpful!

    Use the car salesman strategy they can talk themselves out of anything. Just thinking outside the box!

    But I have proven if I implement this technique or not that it does work! Curiosity killed the cat as the saying goes .....
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  • Profile picture of the author acrasial
    Use headlines? I AM THE HEADLINE.


    People see my name and IMMEDIATELY open my email!


    (Of course, that is all in my head).
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      You didn't trick me!

      Before I open your thread, I expected that your opening with "just kidding" and an irritating smiley..

      This tactic is so old, so boring, and silly, as many others stated, if I am a subscriber on your list, I'll open an email with a similar subject to just hit the unsubscribe link.. that's what I do with all the "I am shocked with You" and "I can't believe you" lame emails..
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      • Profile picture of the author acrasial
        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        You didn't trick me!

        Before I open your thread, I expected that your opening with "just kidding" and an irritating smiley..

        This tactic is so old, so boring, and silly, as many others stated, if I am a subscriber on your list, I'll open an email with a similar subject to just hit the unsubscribe link.. that's what I do with all the "I am shocked with You" and "I can't believe you" lame emails..

        I guess when targeting marketers, one can expect them to be sick and tired and USED to these kinds of headlines. But what if the OP is asking about the 'GENERAL' population, who otherwise, wouldn't really know about these tactics, or these sorts of things.


        In that sense, they are not fully sick of this yet, as they haven't seen enough of it, and even if they have, what are some other new ideas that can be generated to create interest from subscribers once again?

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        Everything can always be taken a step further. And to the OP, Eben Pagan is pretty good with the headlines in emails and elsewhere, and has used many techniques, from upfront and direct, to subtle and soft, to the eye grabbing 'shocking' or 'secret' related.


        But right now, he markets a lot of his things with the subtle yet direct approach, wherein he just outwardly says what it is going to be in the email, alongside a subtle nudge to prompt people to go in and see it.


        It really depends on the crowd you are targeting too. If you are targeting marketers, as mentioned, you will find them wanting something new and fresh, not just the same old tactics.


        If you are targeting others, you will find it a bit easier at times, as long as the crowd hasn't already received 500 emails from you all with similar headlines.


        It's not hard to generate new headlines and new kinds of ways, I think you just need to mirror others who are already successful at it, and see what they are doing, and then manifest that into your own little twist.


        In the sense that you want new ways to grab their attention, you need to have something that no one else can offer them to begin with. That thing will also be in your headline. This kind of thing would also have to be generated or created, and would distinguish you so that others always want to read what you have to say.


        Kim Roach here on the warrior forum is a good example of how to use subtle yet effective marketing. People always want to read her posts, because she always has her own twist and ways of doing things, they come there to read her things, because it's not always just the same old same old.


        She's not just regurgitating every little thing and posting like crazy, instead, she's carefully thinking things out, testing, and then showing you how to do it. Getting straight to the point, and being direct.


        She knows how to do it, and how to bring things to the next level-step, without annoying people or making them feel as if they need to "unsubscribe".

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        In this day and age, people love information, especially FREE information. BUT that doesn't mean that they don't mind paying either. So what you can try here, is try giving them PART of what they want, in the header, and email itself.


        Might be something like "how to" something or rather, or "ways to bla bla bla" or even anything more crafty that you can come up with, and then go from there.


        I am looking at my inbox right now, and see what some of the marketers are doing. They are being STRAIGHT FORWARD. The headline is short, tells the subscriber that they have new information or something or rather along those lines.

        Heck even look at microsoft (using hotmail.com emails, they often send out updates and whatnot to users), or yahoo....what kinds of headlines do they use in their emails, or what kinds of headlines does yahoo use on the main page where they have the news sitting right there?


        They only have a little bit of space to convey a message, yet they get people reading those stories, viewing the videos and many other things. You may want to watch that carefully and look into it.


        Some tactics I have seen:


        (New Video) How to BLA BLA BLA.

        [NEW SOFTWARE] 2000+ Twitter followers in 30 days? (video)‏ ...... [Paul Ponna]


        As I am looking through this too, I see the use of RE: bla bla bla, alot by one particular marketer, and that is rather annoying. I think they should change that up, as virtually every single email in my inbox should not and could not be "re". People are literally not THAT stupid...come on?


        ALERT *INSERT NAME* Great new videos - Google apps.‏


        See these headlines are addressing something directly, rather than always being vague, because another issue I see with marketers, is they are vague too often. Such as saying...."last chance", "hey---I goofed...."..."*Name* quick question for you"..."Are you using these powerful tools"


        I mean these things are SOO vague, and to CONSTANTLY get emails like this, your subscribers will grow bored of that. REGULAR people will get tired of the mind games, and guessing games, always having to wonder what you are on about, because your titles never address THEIR PROBLEMS.


        THEY ARE SUBSCRIBED, because they think you can address and handle their problems, but here you are being vague.


        Here is another headline/title from another warrior on here:


        "1 on 1 coaching to get your ex back..."‏
        [from the second chance romance guy here on the forum]


        See, for REGULAR people, in that niche, that title is EFFECTIVE. It gets to the point, tells them they can get something, and ALSO offers something that is UNIQUE and NEW to them. The thing being offered here, is one on one coaching, which to these subscribers could mean the world, because they may think that their problems are unique and that it's better to be heard and answered directly.


        So this email is title itself is taking the time to get really personal with the readers/subscribers...but also sells, and engages them to want to do something. Of course it also directs the original problem at hand, for which they originally subscribed too: getting their ex back!


        There is an example that is worthwhile, and isn't too pushy, and simply takes the time to really engage with the subscribers. Subtle marketing, as mentioned. When people open this email too, they WILL feel like reading it too, because it's suggesting that they can get something they need here: some time to talk to someone (who they think knows or is an expert), about their issue.


        Whereas with other headlines, like the vague ones above, they have to skim through it SKEPTICALLY, just to see if it even has anything they need during that moment. Since they have to guess, they will be a bit agitated when opening it to begin with, which means they will not be too open to sales just yet.


        WHEREAS anyone who opens that other email, where it clearly states what it is, they already know it's something they need, and are already ready to be sold to. Now it would just be up to the email to effectively keep and increase their trust in you that they should now buy that new service you are offering too.


        But by being upfront and direct with what you are offering in the title, you establish this subconscious trust, wherein they don't think they are getting conned or are being sold something that won't help them, but rather freely choose to let it help them on themselves, without even realizing it.


        It's like if you are cold in your home, and someone offers you a blanket to warm up. You take it pretty much by default. Their direct offering wasn't too pushy, nor was it too sales-y...was simply something you needed, they recognized and got that for you, no questions asked.


        So my point is to just give them what they want (the help and answers), and you will get what you want (sales).


        That's the kind of marketing that I think should be applied in emails MORE OFTEN than not.
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        • Profile picture of the author KonaManStan
          The thing I noticed when I reviewed my email listings was how many of the subject headlines are all about the sender. They assume I know who they are and what they are currently working on. Like I have been next to them at their computer while they work on the next big shiny thing to offer me.

          "software you need"
          "oops, one more thing about XXX"
          "go watch this now"
          "I wish I had learned this years ago"

          Maybe these are interesting headlines... to the writer, but I just don't care.

          When the intention of the subject headline is to resonate with the receiver of that email, then that intent comes through. I open emails that are of interest to me.

          Please do not assume that the scanner knows what you have been working on and do remember to connect with your prospective buyer. If you know who they are you also know how to give them what they want in the way of a subject headline that at least has a chance.

          Couldn't we be talking about different kinds of emails. I mean emails with different purposes? Is every email we send intended to sell something? What happened to building a relationship/connection and using the headline as a step in that process?
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    • Profile picture of the author shabit87
      Originally Posted by acrasial View Post

      Use headlines? I AM THE HEADLINE.


      People see my name and IMMEDIATELY open my email!


      (Of course, that is all in my head).
      That's awesome! I love it, "I am the headline" I bet your subscribers have no issues with that whatsoever!
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      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        You simply need to think through:

        # What is my prospect thinking? What is at the top of his mind in terms of what he wants and needs?

        What is he likely to be desperate for now?

        Hopefully you'll have a product or content designed to fulfill one of those desires or needs.


        # Then think...what statement will immediately appeal to that desire in a graphic way to get my prospect's attention?

        How can I describe what I have to offer in this email in a way that will force him to open it?


        When you start by thinking through who your prospect is, what he wants and how it relates to what you have to offer it gets a whole lot easier to design something that will appeal to him.

        Beyond that you may want to test different subject lines to see which work best in reality.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ivelin2008
    My advice is don't try to "trick" your subscribers into opening your email and then twisting your subject line to whatever you have to say. That's annoying and people will like you less and not want to buy from you! If you send them good stuff everytime, they will open your emails!

    There are emails from certain marketers I will always open no matter what the subject line is because I know I'll likely get great value.. For example: Frank Kern, Jason Fladlien and some other so for me and I think for most people the "from" line is more important than the subject line.

    With that said subject line's also matter. You can give them a benefit of opening the email. What's in it for them? You can use numbers and special characters to catch their attention. You can try to invoke curiosity. For example:
    subj line: "The most powerful traffic generation technique I use.."
    if that comes from a marketer I respect, am I going to open that? You bet!
    I wanna know what's the most powerful traffic technique in their business!
    I'd be too curious to pass that..

    So in summary:
    1. don't "trick" them
    2. reward them for opening your email by giving them great content
    3. use curiousity, benefits, stories, free videos, reports
    4. don't spam them

    And mix it up!

    hope that helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by Ivelin2008 View Post

      My advice is don't try to "trick" your subscribers into opening your email and then twisting your subject line to whatever you have to say. That's annoying and people will like you less and not want to buy from you! If you send them good stuff everytime, they will open your emails!

      There are emails from certain marketers I will always open no matter what the subject line is because I know I'll likely get great value.. For example: Frank Kern, Jason Fladlien and some other so for me and I think for most people the "from" line is more important than the subject line.

      With that said subject line's also matter. You can give them a benefit of opening the email. What's in it for them? You can use numbers and special characters to catch their attention. You can try to invoke curiosity. For example:
      subj line: "The most powerful traffic generation technique I use.."
      if that comes from a marketer I respect, am I going to open that? You bet!
      I wanna know what's the most powerful traffic technique in their business!
      I'd be too curious to pass that..

      So in summary:
      1. don't "trick" them
      2. reward them for opening your email by giving them great content
      3. use curiousity, benefits, stories, free videos, reports
      4. don't spam them

      And mix it up!

      hope that helps

      Totally agree with you
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    I like the provocative headlines that get me to open, but they have to be honest. If you trick me once w/ a headline that doesn't match the content, then I just immediately unsubscribe. I don't have time to waste.

    It takes a much more skilled type of writer to capture your attention and stay on topic. There are several marketing geniuses here on this forum that are great at it. Many times I'll join a list, just so I can browse the headlines for a good writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author sharisca.com
    Yeah, my first post~!

    But it worked perfectly! You got me
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  • Profile picture of the author acrasial
    For instance, I have taken my email Inbox and "rated" each thing based on how effective I would say it is, given what I have written in my previous post here:




    Re red X's are TOO VAGUE, as mentioned. They may catch attention ONCE IN A WHILE, but honestly they are too vague. Even for their niches, they are too vague. For instance, there is one in there for internet marketing, in one of their emails, they mention that they have videos for noobs. Now that is being DIRECT and directly targeting and addressing something, but they fail to deliver in their other headline titles.


    Likewise with the other emails in here. For the emails with the squiggly lines ~ like this, which are a peachy color, those ones are neither too vague nor too direct. They still leave a person wondering, and personally don't really impress me or make me want to click all that much, but at least they aren't so vague that I have no interest whatsoever.


    And finally, the ones with the green check mark are what I personally think are good examples of titles that are subtle yet effective, and direct yet efficient. But as mentioned, it also depends on the niche here, who you are targetting and everything else.


    But you can definitely take notice here, that there is WAY to much overuse of the vague titles, and this is CONSTANTLY from the same marketers. They rarely switch it up, and they rarely say what they really want.


    That alone can be a recipe for disaster. If you want the customer to be sure, DAMN WELL BE SURE YOURSELF in your titles and emails.


    LOL, "do you like puzzles"...I just have to counter that with "Do you like mind games much?". I mean come on, some of the things these people are using, as another warrior above said, are clearly just not honest enough.


    The best way to get the customer to buy from you again, is to keep that trust level up to begin with, and sending out vague and confusing headlines and emails all the time sure isn't the way to do it.


    But that being said, sometimes being vague is ok. For instance, this Ashely sends emails on "get your ex back", and one of her titles was "I never do this". Now that one can be perceived as something people should avoid doing, if they have been frequently reading her emails. So In that sense, it's not really out there, but still is a little vague. BUT< this is likely effective for her list, for those who have actually been reading her past emails.


    However, she is really vague anyways with the titles, had she not been so vague all the time the other title would have worked out fine.


    Another borderline title is "the truth about niche marketing". Sounds like another one of those annoying emails people get where the inside doesn't really reveal anything. HOWEVER, it does at least target one issue at hand: niche marketing. Whereas this person's other emails don't really get all too specific with the headlines, and don't really tell people what they are in for ever. I find Lindstrom to be the most vague always, and the titles really don't ever address a thing.


    Eric is borderline there as well. He does tell people KINDOF what they are getting, which makes him somewhat effective, but on the other hand is is rather vague at times too, leaving people to really wonder what direction he is going half the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
    As Ivelin2008 suggests, don't use tricks.

    It's OK to be creative, that's how we differentiate ourselves...

    Make me want to open your email - not because it's the latest slime-ball tv show controversial headline, but because when I see it's from you, I'm thinking in my head, "hey, the LAST time I opened his email, it was really worth it!"
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      My subject lines to my email subscribers are straight forward and to the
      point and I make 6 figures a year.

      If I were on your list and received a subject line just to make me open, it
      would be the last email I received from you.

      Outside of the IM niche, this might work...but be careful with this tactic
      with IMers.

      They are an unforgiving bunch.

      IMO...there are better ways to get people to open your emails such as
      using benefit driven subject lines.

      I'll let YOU figure out what they are for yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vlad Shelest
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


        IMO...there are better ways to get people to open your emails such as
        using benefit driven subject lines.

        I'll let YOU figure out what they are for yourself.
        I couldn't agree more! We've become way too jaded to go for "clever" or "wtf" headlines in my opinion. I think majority of people (particularly in the IM niche) will discard most emails that don't present some immediate and obvious benefit in the subject line.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ivelin2008
    Yeah if you're marketing to marketers you have to bring you "A" game lol!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    While the OP is trying to "think out of the box", he's actually so "in the box" that it's not funny; no offense.

    The problem with resorting to "tricks" is twofold.

    1. You run a high risk of alienating your subscribers, as many here have already mentioned.

    2. You're being lazy. Writing solid, captivating, direct and specific subject lines isn't always easy. Resorting to trickery is.

    Now, you can be somewhat clever with your subject line, as long as it still does what it's supposed to and does so in a way that's not some overused trickery. And, no, I don't think we as IMers are more likely to respond to such tricks in a negative way, so don't buy into the argument that tricking your subscribers may work in some niches.

    All the best,
    Michael

    p.s. No, the subject line did NOT get me to open this message. Highlighting it on the main board did. And that's something your readers can't do with their e-mail.
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      While the OP is trying to "think out of the box", he's actually so "in the box" that it's not funny; no offense.

      The problem with resorting to "tricks" is twofold.

      1. You run a high risk of alienating your subscribers, as many here have already mentioned.

      2. You're being lazy. Writing solid, captivating, direct and specific subject lines isn't always easy. Resorting to trickery is.

      Now, you can be somewhat clever with your subject line, as long as it still does what it's supposed to and does so in a way that's not some overused trickery. And, no, I don't think we as IMers are more likely to respond to such tricks in a negative way, so don't buy into the argument that tricking your subscribers may work in some niches.

      All the best,
      Michael

      p.s. No, the subject line did NOT get me to open this message. Highlighting it on the main board did. And that's something your readers can't do with their e-mail.
      100% Agree

      Talking about non IM niches audience as being "virgin crowds" and assuming that these old tactics can be effective with them, is -as well- a wayyyyyyy old talk


      We are in the internet era, most of our targeted prospects in different niches are spending countless hours online, they are subjected to tens, hundreds, or even thousands of headlines and marketing tactics all the time, on social sites, web 2.0 sites, while they are chatting, checking emails, or even playing games..it's getting harder and harder to "trick" the online crowds, they are now savvy internet surfers..they are not kids in a candy store..

      As Steven mentioned, nothing can beat straightforward, smart and honest headlines.. this is the only way to build trust and relationship with your audience in any niche under the sun..
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Good replies, and I agree with what all of you have to say. Remember I said clearly that I do not do that personally.... But a catchy headline that has that awe factor does get read like it or not.

    And everyone commenting, and reading this post is living proof!

    So what we learned catchy subject lines do get the open rates. But at what cost? You can lose subscribers in the process because your essentially pissing your subscribers off.

    Is it really worth it in the end? I think a happy medium is the answer!

    Great responses ....
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      I'm not so sure that IS what we learned.

      I THINK what we learned is that on this forum people will open your post to see what you are up to.... but, at best, most of us ignore them in our inboxes. Worse yet... many of us are iritated by the flagrant abuse of our personal resources (time, bandwidth, storage space) and unsubscribe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan700
    Trouble is that tactics like this get overused. I get tons of "re:" messages in answer to a supposed email by me. Tons of "thank you for being my subscriber - here is your download link." What really get's me laughing is the "lazy" marketers promoting the same product launch with the exact same emails!

    I suspect that the reason IM is evolving so rapidly - think FTC and Google - is that when one tactic works it gets around and then everybody starts doing it. Especially if it is free like Squidoo.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Yeah, it got my attention like the free gift I was suppose to get at a used car lot, except that there was none. They had a lot of CHEAP used cars. It is so sad that people hate to hear "Cheap" because this noun has a very bad connotation of quality that is poor. Actually, I like to buy "Cheap" and not spend money. True that products are often marked down and inexpensive for many reasons.

    Huh, you were saying......
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    • Profile picture of the author mysterrio
      I Am About To Give You The Key To The Vault. Are Your Ready To Make Your Offer Unforgettable? It's true, you need to grab the prospect but you need to do so with a catching headline that is NOT a lie.

      Create a wonderful offer and a headline that goes with it and you have it made. A Headline is the key to the vault.
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