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  • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
    Ta da! https://www.paygear.com/

    Not sure if they have limits though.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOPoints
    Originally Posted by Sven Schoene View Post

    Here's the problem:
    1.) Clickbank only allows up to $50.
    I've got two accounts approved for up to $500.

    Just look around the ClickBank marketplace, it's obvious there are a TON of products listed that are over $50 in price.

    You can ask for a higher limit and it might be approved based on your history with them and the product you're selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
    Clickbank will allow you to sell products much higher than $50 if they approve of your product. $50 is just the "default" price... all you have to do is ask for the price increase.
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  • Profile picture of the author tma
    Have you tried amazon
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    Why not use Rapid Action Profits? Self hosted script, pays your affiliated directly to their paypal account. No fees for you. No tax forms, as you are not paying the affiliates.

    Or, closer to what you're looking for, sign up with the new RAPbank.com and place your product(s) there -- works much like ClickBank but for RAP based products that pay affiliates directly with no fees for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Sven Schoene View Post

          Ah, I see how it works then. So, an affiliate would have to make at least two sales in order for the system to work out for both of us, right?

          EDIT: Wow, that's such a sneaky trick, I can't believe it... Great thinking there, great thinking...
          It's not so much a sneaky trick as it is protection for the vendor. If the affiliate received the first commission, an affiliate could sign up and get the product at a discount and then disappear, never to refer anyone other than himself.

          For your other question, I think a 75% commission means the vendor would get the first three sales and the affiliate would get the fourth.
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          • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

              Other way around.

              You would get the first payment and then the next 3 would go to the affiliate.

              Rob
              LOL - yeah, that's what I meant.

              On another note, I asked PayGear if the vendor has to file 1099's for their affiliates or if PayGear does it. Other than that question, PayGear looks really good. If PayGear takes care of the 1099 business I'm going to give them a try.

              They promise to answer emails within an hour, so I'll let you know what they say.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

                I asked PayGear if the vendor has to file 1099's for their affiliates or if PayGear does it. Other than that question, PayGear looks really good. If PayGear takes care of the 1099 business I'm going to give them a try.

                They promise to answer emails within an hour, so I'll let you know what they say.
                Well, it's been 3 hours and no reply yet. So much for their 1 hour email reply promise.
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        • Profile picture of the author SEMwinners
          It sounds interesting.
          BTW, why not make a UK LTD to deal with vat collection if that's what worries you in Germany, and a Panamanian mother company to own the UK one and be offshore? Ask a UK tax/offshoring company formation firm to be sure, but I know lots do similar stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sven Schoene
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      • Profile picture of the author Rik Fox
        Originally Posted by Sven Schoene View Post

        Wow, that sounds absolutely fantastic!

        But... I don't get it... Yeah, I read their sales-letter but I don't understand how this prevents me from doing all these tax-things. I mean... Just because it AUTOMATICALLY pays my affiliates instead of me MANUALLY paying them... Where is the difference when it comes to taxes? I still pay my affiliates, whether or not a software does the work for me...?

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        Also, another quick question: What if a person does not click "Return to Merchant" after paying with PayPal? They won't get the download link, right? And then...? The payment will not appear in the RAP-logs? Maybe I'm a bit too pessimistic but I wouldn't count on the fact that everybody reads the "You HAVE TO click 'Return to Merchant'-link after purchase!"... (I know my mother would probably overlook it... :rolleyes

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        Hehe, exactly!
        Regarding using RAP - I own a script which has an affiliate system built-in. You do have to pay your affiliates manually. If you have many to pay you can use Paypal mass pay.

        Regarding tax, as long as you keep records then you should be ok, affiliates will be responsible for paying tax on their part of the transaction i.e. If product is $197 and their commission is 50% of the sale they are liable for the tax on the commission and you on the other 50%. Of course tax rules vary from where you reside. Tax free locations seem to be disappearing fast :-)

        Best Wishes Rik...
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    • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
      Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

      Why not use Rapid Action Profits? Self hosted script, pays your affiliated directly to their paypal account. No fees for you. No tax forms, as you are not paying the affiliates.

      Or, closer to what you're looking for, sign up with the new RAPbank.com and place your product(s) there -- works much like ClickBank but for RAP based products that pay affiliates directly with no fees for you.
      Problem with that, is you gotta deal with a ton of tax paperwork. He doesn't want to deal with that (and I can't blame him).

      You either have to have proper tax ID's for everyone on file, or take out the taxes before sending payments. Either way, it's a major PITA IMHO.

      Best to leave that to others, so you can focus in important things like actually running your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    As a vendor ClickBank takes care of paying the affiliates. CB also sends the affiliates an end-of-year statement that they must file to IRS. For the vendor, CB keeps a running tally of your sales minus the affiliate & CC charges.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy Trump
    The problem with not using clickbank is that you lose access to a huge pool of affiliates that actively use it to search for products to promote. To me, that makes clickbank worth the hassle.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOPoints
    There's also the issue of who is responsible for collecting sales/VAT taxes. ClickBank, as the official seller, is responsible for that and does it. Who is responsible with RAP?
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    try regnow.
    But i personally would simply call a CB CSR and talk to them about your product and try to increase your pricing limit that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    How about moreniche.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
    I was going to propose RAP and RAP Bank, but I've seen that it's already done, so I only want to make something clear.

    An affiliate cannot buy from himself. PayPal doesn't allow it. Even if he has several emails connected to the same account, he cannot do it.

    Of course, if he has two PayPal accounts, he can.
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  • Originally Posted by Sven Schoene View Post

    1.) Clickbank only allows up to $50.
    3.) Plimus has a BAD reputation for sending out the payments from what I've quickly researched.
    1) Clickbank can approve products up to $500
    2) Plimus sends payments out every 15th of the month like a Swiss clock.
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  • Profile picture of the author YseUp
    Thanks for the info on this thread. Although I'm going with clickbank for the moment, I'll investigate RapBank and PayGear in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    OK,

    To clarify.

    RAP pays directly to the affiliate depending on how the commission % is set. Not a % of a sale, but full sale price based on 'whos turn' it is. Already been said above.

    With doing it this way, there is no accounting needed for affiliates sales. They get the money direct and the responsibility is theirs. No paperwork to fill out, no 1099 to contend with. Nothing. Is all taken care of automatically.

    Also, RAP Bank is set up only for RAP vendors. You have to be using RAP to make it work, but even then, once you sign up, the process of adding your products can be done from your site's control panel. Very easy to do and an excellent place for vendors to find affiliates and affiliates to find products to promote.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I'm a tad confused, are you talking about the US tax forms etc. If so why would you worry about those, you live in Germany

    Kim

    Originally Posted by Sven Schoene View Post

    Here's what I want:

    1.) Sell a product for $297.
    2.) Have a network host everything for me AND pay out my affiliates for me so I don't have to deal with the IRS tax forms and stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author rondo
      Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

      I'm a tad confused, are you talking about the US tax forms etc. If so why would you worry about those, you live in Germany

      Kim
      Me too. Why do you need to worry about it in Germany?
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
        Originally Posted by rondo View Post

        Me too. Why do you need to worry about it in Germany?
        Take Amazon Create Space, for example. They will take a straight 30% of US taxes out of non-residents' income unless you fill out certain tax forms.

        I am an international (non-U.S.) member and do not have a U.S. Tax Identification Number or Social Security Number - what information do I need to provide in order to receive royalties?

        In order to receive your royalties, it is not necessary to enter a US Tax Identification Number (TIN). However, entering your "Payee Country" and selecting a "Business Type" in the "Royalty Payment Profile" section of your Member account is required before royalty payments may be initiated.

        You will need to provide us with a US TIN Tax Number and a completed W-8BEN Form to take advantage of any established tax treaties. We do not require this documentation in order to release royalty payments; however, taxes will be withheld at 30%. For complete details on how to obtain and provide us with these pieces of information, please visit see International (Non-U.S.) Account Setup.




        I am an international (non-U.S.) member - will taxes be withheld from my royalty payments?

        Yes. When anyone earns money in the U.S., they must pay taxes on their income. When a foreign citizen or business earns royalties in the U.S., U.S. tax is required to be withheld from that income. Tax is generally withheld at 30%. However, if a foreign citizen or business is in a country which has a tax treaty with the U.S., the rate of tax can be reduced. In order to obtain this lower rate of withholding, we will need a tax identification number issued by the Internal Revenue Service (TIN, or EIN) and Form W-8BEN.

        The U.S. government requires CreateSpace to report foreign members' income and sometimes requires us to subtract (or "withhold") taxes owed from it. Foreign members may also report and pay tax on this income to their own governments, however, you should discuss this further with your tax advisor.
        Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author David McGimpsey
    Originally Posted by Sven Schoene View Post

    3.) Plimus has a BAD reputation for sending out the payments from what I've quickly researched.
    I read that too before I used them, but I have been an affiliate with them for a few months now and the checks have come out like clockwork.

    As a vendor though, I'd choose Clickbank over Plimus because I feel I would get more exposure on Clickbank (there's currently no reliable way on Plimus for affiliates to work out what is selling well and what isn't).
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Finally heard from PayGear about how affiliates are treated with regard to tax matters:
    "As a vendor you can collect Tax information from your affiliates and then 1099 them if you like, thats is really totally up to you. Many affiliates do it differently, some pay affiliate from pre-tax dollars and then do not write off the affiliate payments. You collect all payments directly so how you do your taxes is up to you. We are also about 60 days away from releasing PayGear 2.0 which is going to blow all other affiliate systems out of the water."
    Not sure I like the answer about tax issues, but it makes me wonder what's coming in a couple months. I'll have to keep an eye on them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

        It means you're responsible for the taxes.

        RAP is still the best option.

        Rob
        I'm not so sure that's what it means. The answer is a little murky to me.

        I do have RAP so you don't have to sell me on that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      haha, I'm not trying to sell you on it. Well. Maybe I am, but that's because the more who use it, the better the community becomes as a whole.

      But, based on his answer, I really think it means they don't take care of the tax paperwork and here is why:

      Since you are collecting all payments, it counts as your income. Paying affiliates a percentage of that means they are acting as "semi-employee's" or a semi-sales force. The government would then consider you responsible for filling out 1099's and making sure the affiliates pay their taxes.

      Rob
      Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with you. But because of this line:

      Many affiliates do it differently, some pay affiliate from pre-tax dollars and then do not write off the affiliate payments.
      ...it makes it sounds like these affiliates are not doing 1099's. So, I did write them back and simply asked if they send out 1099's to any affiliates. I might have mentioned that if no one is sending 1099's out then someone is breaking the law. They ought to love me for that.

      Like I said, I do have RAP, but I haven't installed it yet. I should probably get that done soon. I tend to stall on installing stuff like this because it's not my strong suit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    You might wanna try PayDotCom.

    It's a great service by Mike Filsaime.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Man, whatever you do or decide...check with an accountant first. It won't cost you much money to get professional advice (although most accountants are pretty busy around now so you might have to wait a couple weeks).

      I like ClickBank because that part of the business is taken care of so I'll pay their fees to not deal with it.

      Anywho, a lot of tax advice thrown out in this thread. And just because people have been doing this or that for years without problems doesn't make it okay. They might be one tax audit away from a nightmare. So check with a CPA (the accountant type not the cost per action).

      Above is for US peeps. Don't know about peeps in other countries.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rik Fox
      Originally Posted by mohammad111 View Post

      You might wanna try PayDotCom.

      It's a great service by Mike Filsaime.
      PDT is good, but also try click2sell another Paypal based affiliate service, good luck.

      Rik
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  • Profile picture of the author Tomwood
    Sven I have a suggestion why not sell a scaled down version of your product on clickbank for $50 then hit them with the upgrade on the backend
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  • Profile picture of the author DrGUID
    RegNow is good for software - I've used them for over 5 years and they've generally been OK. Their affiilate scheme is well used.

    People have got eBooks and other stuff on there, and you can do some pretty sophisticated offers and product bundles.

    Clickbank is junk, I hate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    I've been looking at these guys, but haven't made the move on them yet because I don't want to chalk up the activation cost quite yet.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Update on PayGear: they just emailed me this...
    Based on your questions a a few other people who have asked about 1099 issues, we seeing about adding this to the system. We will likely have a final word on this in the next 2 weeks.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjdaz
    PayGear is good, also try ClickBooth.
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