Females Are Way Better Than Males At Getting Complicated Tasks Done Fast.

16 years ago

Touchy subject, but very true. I believe women naturally think about things more
than guys do and because of this they are more detailed in their thinking, Thus
being more analytical.

Guys tend to be more high level thinkers and doers E.G If you watch most men
clean they will clean the big chunks but miss the corners and hard to reach
places, where as women will clean inch by inch.

Theres my 2 cents

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MrBacklinker 16 years ago

Well, you know they say women multitask better, but i wouldt say females are way better than my males assistants
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FredJones

16 years ago

Originally Posted by SamuelJ

Guys tend to be more high level thinkers and doers E.G If you watch most men
clean they will clean the big chunks but miss the corners and hard to reach
places, where as women will clean inch by inch.

I think I agree with the cleaning part. You probably got a bull's eye there.

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TerrieS

16 years ago

I've found that I can work very well with the television on in the background, but if my husband tries, invariably he ends up just watching the show. Very annoying!

I've also found that my "mothering instincts" come out when I have a project to work on. I like to make sure my "baby" grows up into a productive grown-up site, article, or ebook.

Ha ha, I almost said grows up into an adult site. Oops!

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Nicholas Kemp

16 years ago

When I outsource I prefer to outsource to females. They tend to have a better work ethic than males and don't get distracted as easily. They also communicate better in my experience.

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Joe Koh

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Nicholas Kemp

When I outsource I prefer to outsource to females. They tend to have a better work ethic than males and don't get distracted as easily. They also communicate better in my experience.

I second that.

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SamuelJ

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TerrieS

I've also found that my "mothering instincts" come out when I have a project to work on. I like to make sure my "baby" grows up into a productive grown-up site, article, or ebook.

Very intersting... I hadn't thought about that but that could be a very
big advantage women have over men. Maybe start a new thread about
how long do guys nuture their sites

Originally Posted by TerrieS

Ha ha, I almost said grows up into an adult site. Oops!

LOL!

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SecretMLMLeads 16 years ago

Obviously, we're making generalizations, but I think it holds true. Women are better communicators. Therefore if they have a question, they will ask. Men will probably just plug along and probably not realize they were making a mistake until its too late.

It's why we don't like to stop and ask for directions while driving.
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Allen Graves

16 years ago

I don't see much of a difference. My experience has been horrible with both males and females.

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TerrieS 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

I don't see much of a difference. My experience has been horrible with both males and females.

Allen, you've obviously never had me for a Virtual Assistant!
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tylerdrun

16 years ago

No, men are much more analytical. But women these days are hard working. Men work busily thinking about that female they saw last nite whereas women think about getting this work done so that they can go and get free beer from other chodes.

AND moreover, women whine at home and come to work peacefully. Men after listening to the whining, come to work with the whining echoing inside their heads....

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TerrieS

16 years ago

Originally Posted by tylerdrun

No, men are much more analytical. But women these days are hard working. Men work busily thinking about that female they saw last nite whereas women think about getting this work done so that they can go and get free beer from other chodes.

AND moreover, women whine at home and come to work peacefully. Men after listening to the whining, come to work with the whining echoing inside their heads....

Excuse me? At 17-years old, what makes you this so-called expert?

1. I don't many men are more analytical than I am.
2. My husband and I are both hard-working.
3. Not all men think about that female they saw last night.
4. I never think about getting free beer from anywhere.
5. I do not whine at home or at work, which happens to be the same place.
6. My husband works from home as well, and does not have whining from me echoing in his head.
7. Actually, we sit at home all day laughing at ridiculous comments such as yours!

Now, having said that, I hope you are only joking, because you won't gain the love and respect of many female Warriors if you continue on in this manner!

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tylerdrun

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TerrieS

Excuse me? At 17-years old, what makes you this so-called expert?

1. I don't many men are more analytical than I am.
2. My husband and I are both hard-working.
3. Not all men think about that female they saw last night.
4. I never think about getting free beer from anywhere.
5. I do not whine at home or at work, which happens to be the same place.
6. My husband works from home as well, and does not have whining from me echoing in his head.
7. Actually, we sit at home all day laughing at ridiculous comments such as yours!

Now, having said that, I hope you are only joking, because you won't gain the love and respect of many female Warriors if you continue on in this manner!

Yep! THat was a joke.....

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acrasial

16 years ago

Originally Posted by tylerdrun

No, men are much more analytical. But women these days are hard working. Men work busily thinking about that female they saw last nite whereas women think about getting this work done so that they can go and get free beer from other chodes.

AND moreover, women whine at home and come to work peacefully. Men after listening to the whining, come to work with the whining echoing inside their heads....

Gosh...what a NIGHTMARE.

#1: Do you know what a "chode" is? If so, why are you using such language here?

#2: Women get beer from other men? Free beer? So at the end of the day, women just want to get drunk off of beer other men have bought them? You are talking about the WORKING class women, presumably? If so, that's just utterly incorrect.

Your jokes aren't all that funny, even if taken as sarcasm, they aren't all that amusing. They are simply rude.

That also would not explain men who are single, live on their own, and have done such for years...who have NO women around them whining, who perform poorly.

P.S.

Quit ticking people off and GO get your STUFF done!

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whateverpedia 16 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

#1: Do you know what a "chode" is? If so, why are you using such language here?

He doesn't even know how to spell it.

What a choadhead.
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ryanman

16 years ago

Originally Posted by tylerdrun

No, men are much more analytical. But women these days are hard working. Men work busily thinking about that female they saw last nite whereas women think about getting this work done so that they can go and get free beer from other chodes.

Chodes? Guess you follow those rsd guys at the other forum. Just on a side note- Life doesn't revolve around pick up...Business is whole different ball game and the rules which apply to pick up do not apply to business.

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Kay King

16 years ago

For some things you need a man is what I think.

Sure do - to cut the grass and do heavy lifting. Good thing you can hire them.

I thought the boys vs girls arguments dropped off after high school....

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seasoned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

I thought the boys vs girls arguments dropped off after high school....

HECK NO! Frankly, I have not seen enough consistant things to say definitively that one is better than the other.
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butters

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

Sure do - to cut the grass and do heavy lifting. Good thing you can hire them.

I thought the boys vs girls arguments dropped off after high school....

Nono, the argument goes on

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To the OP and anyone else, who cares if a women is better than a man at being a virtual assistant. It's not like that holds any more weight then if I said a man is a better virtual assistance. Women are better then men and things and men are better then women at things.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

Nono, the argument goes on

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To the OP and anyone else, who cares if a women is better than a man at being a virtual assistant. It's not like that holds any more weight then if I said a man is a better virtual assistance. Women are better then men and things and men are better then women at things.

That is certainly true, to a degree, but it is certainly not 100% true of the groups. OK, maybe SOME physical things, and having a child, etc... but MENTAL? I don't know if ANY healthy person of EITHER sex has ever reached their limit. That is also true of physical strength.

Steve

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Daniel Brock

16 years ago

SEXIST SEXIST SEXIST!!!!!!

WHAT A BAD MAN YOU ARE!!!

Only kidding haha.

I think it has to do with that membrane that connects the two halves of the brain.

Females have a larger connection so more data can pass through it - meaning they can multi-task better.

Men have a skinnier connection which means they hyper focus on ONE thing than many.

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Strange

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Daniel Brock

SEXIST SEXIST SEXIST!!!!!!

WHAT A BAD MAN YOU ARE!!!

Only kidding haha.

I think it has to do with that membrane that connects the two halves of the brain.

Females have a larger connection so more data can pass through it - meaning they can multi-task better.

Men have a skinnier connection which means they hyper focus on ONE thing than many.

I dress as a women over the weekends and have noticed improvements of data transfer.

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- acrasial 16 years ago
  
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  You couldn't be more wrong .... about everything, but what the heck, it increased your post count.
  
  LOL, this person doesn't even have a sig yet. But like I said "nightmare" would be a good word to describe that post, as it literally was a "nightmarish" move.
  
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R Hagel

16 years ago

Another factor to take into consideration is if the person WANTS to be a virtual assistant or freelancer.

For some reason, most of the full-time VA's I know are women. They've chosen that as a career path or specialty. And so they do the best job they can. Those are the folks you want working for you.

Then you have the "other" kind of VA (or other type of freelancer). This is the person who's VA'ing or otherwise freelancing as a way to make ends meet. This person has bigger dreams. This person does NOT see him/herself VA'ing/freelancing 6 months down the road.

End result? You're going to get lower-quality work from this person, because these kind of folks plan to move on to something bigger and better the first chance they get. So your referral or whatever just isn't all that important to them.

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Bottom line: You'll get better results if you work with a VA or other freelancer who's chosen VA'ing/freelancing as a career path -- whether they're males or females.

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Roy Carter

16 years ago

Originally Posted by R Hagel

End result? You're going to get lower-quality work from this person, because these kind of folks plan to move on to something bigger and better the first chance they get. So your referral or whatever just isn't all that important to them.

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Bottom line: You'll get better results if you work with a VA or other freelancer who's chosen VA'ing/freelancing as a career path -- whether they're males or females.

Cheers,
Becky

And gotta say, I second that!

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Lance K 16 years ago

I wonder if this would be such a cordial thread if the OP had said...

Males Are Way Better Than females At _______.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

If your outsourcing results vary by gender, religion, ethnicity, etc. perhaps you should take a look at your vetting process. Even though it may be easier to pass the buck.
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acrasial

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ryanman

I have hired both males and females as virtual assistants...But time and again...Female assistants always outperform males. I don't know why it is this way but for some reason females tend to perform way better than males when it comes to analytical tasks. What do you guys think?

I often wonder where people get these kinds of IDEAS from. Just often "wonder" :rolleyes:.

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Edk

16 years ago

For some things you need a man is what I think.

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R Hagel 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Edk

For some things you need a man is what I think.

Yes, exactly. Like when you need to get someone to tickle a baby's belly with a beard, it's usually easier to find a male to do the job.
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marcdonovan

16 years ago

There are a lot of brain differences between men and women. One of the main differences is in the connection between the left and right brain. In women there is a much larger connection between the two halves of the frontal cortex, right behind the forehead. The size of this connection determines the feminine characteristics of the person, regardless of actual X-Y gender. The prevalent hypothesis is that this is an evolutionary trait that allows females to multi-task and males to focus. I think that is pretty close to reality. Men will laser focus and shut out all distractions, including their chattering mate. This is valuable for hunting, which is where our ancestors got their protein. While women can talk on the phone, watch TV, make sure the kids are not in danger, and cook a meal, which are good attributes to hold down the fort.

As far as which is the better employee... If you need focus, hire a man. If you need an organized multi-tasker, hire a woman.

But, I have hired and managed dozens of people over the years and I have found more differences in personality rather than gender. Personality is the number one attribute that determines whether I hire someone and my interviews are almost 100% geared to determine what is really behind the veil that everyone puts up. I don't look at gender at all. I have hired about 50-50 men and women.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by marcdonovan

There are a lot of brain differences between men and women. One of the main differences is in the connection between the left and right brain. In women there is a much larger connection between the two halves of the frontal cortex, right behind the forehead. The size of this connection determines the feminine characteristics of the person, regardless of actual X-Y gender.

And where did you get THAT from? A bubble gum wrapper? Fortune cookie?

Actually, the connection is closer to the center, and called the "corpus callosum". YEP, I alluded to this earlier. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_callosum

There are disputed claims about the difference of the size of the human corpus callosum in men and women and the relationship of any such differences to gender differences in human behaviour and cognition.

R B Bean, a Philadelphia anatomist, suggested in 1906 that the "exceptional size of the corpus callosum may mean exceptional intellectual activity" and claimed differences in size between males and females and between races, although these were refuted by Franklin Mall, the director of his own laboratory.[3]

Of much more substantial popular impact was a 1982 Science article claiming to be the first report of a reliable sex difference in human brain morphology, and arguing for relevance to cognitive gender differences.[4] This paper appears to be the source of a large number of lay explanations of perceived male-female difference in behaviour: For example Time magazine was reported to state in 1992 that the corpus callosum is "Often wider in the brains of women than in those of men, it may allow for greater cross-talk between the hemispheres--possibly the basis for women's intuition."[5] There is scientific dispute not only about the implications of anatomical difference, but whether such a difference actually exists. A substantial review paper performed a meta-analysis of 49 studies and found, contrary to de Lacoste-Utamsing and Holloway, that males have a larger corpus callosum, a relationship that is true whether or not account is taken of larger male brain size.[3] Bishop and Wahlstein found that "the widespread belief that women have a larger splenium than men and consequently think differently is untenable." However, more recent studies using new analysis and imaging techniques (e.g. diffusion-tensor imaging) revealed morphological and microstructural sex differences in human corpus callosum.[6][7][8] A 2006 Serbian study found variations in morphology correlated with sex, but in ways too complex for simple direct comparison.[9] Whether,[citation needed] and to what extent, these morphological differences are associated with behavioural and cognitive differences between men and women remains unclear.

Did you know that they found that if a woman had half her brain removed, she would seem about as intelligent, but a man slightly dumber or smarter depending on the side? But SERIOUSLY, does a woman become less feminine if she has half of it removed? Does a boy that gets more use out of both sides(Sometimes happens through drugs or surgery to correct problems caused by siezures) become more feminine? NOPE!

Originally Posted by marcdonovan

The prevalent hypothesis is that this is an evolutionary trait that allows females to multi-task and males to focus. I think that is pretty close to reality. Men will laser focus and shut out all distractions, including their chattering mate. This is valuable for hunting, which is where our ancestors got their protein. While women can talk on the phone, watch TV, make sure the kids are not in danger, and cook a meal, which are good attributes to hold down the fort.

Never heard that before. It is a pity it isn't true.

Originally Posted by marcdonovan

As far as which is the better employee... If you need focus, hire a man. If you need an organized multi-tasker, hire a woman.

OK, so a woman can do more subpar work. GOTTCHA!

FRANKLY, I am still learning about the way even I think. Some abilities that I definitely had as a kid are even coming back and becoming more habitual and easier to use. Do I notice differences switching back and forth, between sides? YEP! But for all of my failings, I assess OTHER'S as well. babies to 90+yo, male, female, etc... GUESS WHAT FOLKS! Most people have the SAME problems I have to a similar, or even greater degree! HECK, on math, I told a co worker that a quantity equaled .5 liters. It was easy for me an ridiculously so, so I won't even say what it was. A coworker, an ENGINEER from india, had to go to GOOGLE to find I was right! Now I am certainly not great with math. I have learned a few tricks and sometimes could maybe shock people, but his having to go to GOOGLE shocked me. OH YEAH, he was 30, and I am in my 40s.

Of course, I have known women on BOTH sides. Great and HORRIBLE with math. I can sometimes browse stores in my MIND, and tell you where an item is EVEN if I never looked for it before. I have known many women that couldn't.

Even with LINGUISTICS, some women are just HORRIBLE with it. And that is another place where females are supposed to excel.

And I DO like women, etc... Do I think about them ALL THE TIME? NOPE!

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Silas Hart 16 years ago

When I have to hire a team of workers in China, I have to hire a male as a project leader, and then convince him to hire females if they are applicable for the job. I've tried both Male and Female for leadership positions, and the only difference is the interactions of other people in their area.

For example, when I find a cool new product being manufactured in China, I have to send a male representative to speak with them, because the factory managers usually don't give the female the time of day.

I have actually had better success using women as leaders in comparison to men, but only on smaller projects. I first started with men who micromanaged a World of Warcraft gold farming studio, but although they got the workers to focus and provided me with awesome ideas, their actual communication between me and themselves was thin, mostly due to ego. With women, they were great at keeping me up to date on what was happening but had trouble motivating the workers to keep focus, and thus, my sales dropped. When I asked for their ideas on what we could do better, they had none.

When it came time for me to expand, and have my studio running my Customer Service for my website, handling the relationship between me and suppliers, running my game leveling studio, and other small things, I had better success hiring a male to control everything as a whole, and females to run smaller projects.

It shouldn't matter. In more advanced countries, I don't think it does, in China though, it does matter and there is a significant difference. This is mostly because of the cultural opinions and the relationships that someone needs to build with outside sources.
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marcdonovan

16 years ago

Originally Posted by seasoned

And where did you get THAT from? A bubble gum wrapper? Fortune cookie?

Actually, the connection is closer to the center, and called the "corpus callosum". YEP, I alluded to this earlier. Corpus callosum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, from here: Girl Brain, Boy Brain?: Scientific American

and here: File:Straight gyrus animation small.gif - Wikimedia Commons

Originally Posted by seasoned

Never heard that before. It is a pity it isn't true.

hypothesis, not fact.

Originally Posted by seasoned

OK, so a woman can do more subpar work. GOTTCHA!

sorry, no.

Steve, you are a smart guy, but you don't have to be so rude about it.

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marcdonovan 16 years ago

And here: Ventral frontal cortex in children: morphology, social cognition and femininity/masculinity ? Soc Cogn Affect Neurosci
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- seasoned 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by marcdonovan
  
  And here: Ventral frontal cortex in children: morphology, social cognition and femininity/masculinity ? Soc Cogn Affect Neurosci
  
  Well, THERE they only talk about the "straight gyrus", and we were talking about the corpus callosum
  
  I will be, and often HAVE been, the first to admit that females and males have different brains. I can't imagine how anyone can believe otherwise. AND, in some ways, EACH is better than the other!
  
  Science STILL doesn't understand even how the brain works. They are at the point that a careful and LUCKY person in the 1800s might be if they got a working CPU with NO documentation. HECK, not even THAT close! They understand SOMETHING about how chemicals affect it, SOMETHING about how info is stored, and the concept of how memory is organized. They understand SOMETHING about how things are communicated, organization of the brain, and the fact that facts can be interconnected in a kind of web. Some of this, one would have thought would be OBVIOUS.
  
  BUT, the fact that they know SO little can be demonstrated by the rather primitive treatments for depression and dementia, their inability to determine validity or hostility, etc....
  
  Oh well, "science" has been wrong a LOT! If I see men that can multitask well, and actually see women BRAGGING that they can, while it is obvious they can't(I am speaking of SOME women I have KNOWN, and NOT of the whole sex!), then I know their basic premise is WRONG and even the idea that women as a GROUP do better than men may be WRONG!
  
  In the end, it doesn't mean ANYTHING if they are right about women in general being better. Suppose I lived in sweden, and all MEN THERE multitasked better, but no other men could multitask AT ALL! If I dealt only with swedes, it would be best to hire men to do such jobs.
  
  That was ONLY an example. I am not really saying ANYTHING about anyone in sweden.
  
  I see these types of claims ALL THE TIME! They are usually WRONG. USUALLY science proves them wrong eventually. And WHO did they study, etc??? HECK, one study said the kids were 7-17 years old! WHEN is one of the biggest prunings of the brain? Around 8! WHEN is one of the biggest growth periods? Around 7-17(Depends on ALL sorts oof things, etc...)! And growth rates are DIFFERENT between boys and girls, ESPECIALLY between 7 and 17! Remember how at one point all the girls were taller, and at another all the boys were taller, EVEN when class members didn't change? In the end, by age 19, males tend to be 15cm, or almost 6", taller.
  
  Frankly, they should probably check adults, preferably over 35, since that is SUPPOSEDLY when the gross changes in the brain stop. It really is surprising. Apparently estrogen plays a role in governing limits in growth, and that happens LATER in boys! Testosterone, of course, helps, and affects boys more, since they have more of it.
  
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seasoned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by marcdonovan

Steve, you are a smart guy, but you don't have to be so rude about it.

Sorry, I thought that THERE it was obvious I was being funny. HEY, you DID give me an opening! 8-)

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16 years ago

Well, I have known a LOT of females that were BAD at multitasking, even ones that took pride in saying they were GREAT at it! Heck, there is talk about the corpus callosum being so much larger, yet there seem to be problems THERE also.

I'm not denigrating females, and I'm sure some are GREAT at multitasking. And I KNOW some are GREAT at math, and "spatial reasoning"! Interesting, huh, one thing women are supposed to be GREAT at, and I have known many that AREN'T! And two that women are supposed to be relatively bad at and I have known several that AREN'T!

But to say that ALL females are better than ALL men is just DUMB!

BTW maybe you are getting the dregs of the men, and some good women. There are many possible reasons for that. ALSO, women are probably more willing, as a group, to have a social job, and be an assistant. That not only means that they are more likely to look for such a job, but more likely to do their best.

BTW men do NOT think about sex or women ALL THE TIME! Imagine what the world would be like if they did. HECK, testosterone is supposed to lead to anger, a sense of well being, strength, bravery, libido, etc... No only are some things contradictory, but some lead you to wonder if many have any testosterone at all. The truth is that it goes deeper than that.

BTW "R Hagel". Horse hair brushes might be as good! 8-)

Steve

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TerrieS

16 years ago

I've thought of 20 different responses I could make to this thread, but unfortunately I've finished up filling my husband's head with all of my whining for the day and now I need to peacefully go off to work so that I can finish and get my free beer.

(Terrie shakes her head in disgust at the stupidity in this world...)

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kyhell

16 years ago

i have always hated the gender debate. people are people some are lazy some are not.
my problems when it has come to hiring help has always had more to do with age not gender.
i will always hire the 55 year old gandparent over the 19 year old college student Always!

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acrasial

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kyhell

i have always hated the gender debate. people are people some are lazy some are not.
my problems when it has come to hiring help has always had more to do with age not gender.
i will always hire the 55 year old gandparent over the 19 year old college student Always!

Some people just drag sexism into things, because it's convenient for them to use that as a TOOL or excuse to get a certain desired outcome.

For instance, some men will say "oh, she's on the rags...must be that time of month!" or will say something like "PMSing much?"...when they don't understand why a female is acting a certain way, or they may also use this as a tool against people to entice a reaction.

Now, women do this as well. For instance, women might say something like "Men only think about one thing" or women may say something like "All men just want sex".

The only reason someone would do this, is if they were:

A) Insecure...and simply wanted to feel better by themselves by trying to find something faulty in things around them, and an easy target is the opposite sex, via the use sexism.

B) Unsure...they don't actually understand the issue at hand, and then that leads back to point A, wherein they simply become insecure because they are not in control of the situation. Why are they no longer in control? Because they do not understand the situation, therefore they will drag sexism into it.

C) A control freak...They enjoy having the pleasure of enticing a reaction from others, through the use of sexism. They know it will create a very strong emotional response from those involved and use it as a tool to control the situation to their liking.

For instance...a man may see a woman doing something he doesn't exactly approve of...such as asking a lot of questions, being too clingy or needy etc etc etc... then he will say: "Must be that time of the month?", and INSTANTLY, she is arguing with him and feeling ticked off that he would even say something like that.

So then what does she do? Well she would try to PROVE HIM wrong. She would sit there trying to prove him wrong that his theory about women and that time of month is inaccurate, and she would try to prove that there is "nothing" wrong with her in the first place.

So then she is CAREFULLY watching her behavior now, and is LITERALLY trying hard to behave herself, all because of a simple statement.

LIKEWISE, when a woman tells a man "you just want sex, you don't want me", he will immediately be arguing this, and telling her "No, no! You got me all wrong....trust me, I'm not like that" ....

....So then he sits there carefully watching his actions, so that he doesn't get this kind of reaction again from her.

But of course, this for those who are more advanced in psychology and "persuasion". But I wouldn't doubt that this thing does happen, and both men and women do it.

The OP themselves had a desired outcome in mind by posting this, and as many of you are correct to find this thread suspicious based on the topic: the gender debate (which one is better)....there is a very CRAFTY reason why someone would even bring such a thing up.

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16 years ago

You haven't met my wife she struggles with facebook and toast

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16 years ago

My girlfriend always tells me,

"It doesn't matter I'm right or wrong about something...
If I tell you I'm right; I'm right!"

Remembering that generally keeps me out of trouble.

Seriously, aside from a few bumps and curves in a few strategic places, men and women are both driven by the same human instincts--and display the same foibles that all flesh is heir to.

Saying that you prefer men to women or vice versa is like saying that people with a freckle on their nose make the best workers. It makes no difference. I don't care if it's a man or woman--if they prove they can get the job done for me--they're in. End of story. --Mike

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yourreviewer

16 years ago

Anecdotal evidence should be just anecdotal. It should never be blown up as a finding.

BTW Eben Pagan said that in a research study they found that people who multitask have a lower IQ level than people who smoke pot

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Chris W. Sutton

16 years ago

Sure do - to cut the grass and do heavy lifting.

Kay, you may not know this but in most states it's illegal to even grow that stuff!

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Chris W. Sutton

16 years ago

The OP themselves had a desired outcome in mind by posting this, and as many of you are correct to find this thread suspicious based on the topic: the gender debate (which one is better)....there is a very CRAFTY reason why someone would even bring such a thing up.

There are a lot of brain differences between men and women. One of the main differences is in the connection between the left and right brain. In women there is a much larger connection between the two halves of the frontal cortex, right behind the forehead. The size of this connection determines the feminine characteristics of the person, regardless of actual X-Y gender. The prevalent hypothesis is that this is an evolutionary trait that allows females to multi-task and males to focus. I think that is pretty close to reality. Men will laser focus and shut out all distractions, including their chattering mate. This is valuable for hunting, which is where our ancestors got their protein. While women can talk on the phone, watch TV, make sure the kids are not in danger, and cook a meal, which are good attributes to hold down the fort.

You know, I was going to make some wise and witty comments in this thread but I can't figure out what half of you are talking about so I'm not going to do it now... even if you beg me!!!

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acrasial

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton

You know, I was going to make some wise and witty comments in this thread but I can't figure out what half of you are talking about so I'm not going to do it now... even if you beg me!!!

One person in your quotes is arguing that there is in fact a difference between men and women which could make the gender debate valid. They were using scientific discoveries to back up their point: which is that men may be better than women, or women may be better than men. I.E. The debate of men vs. women would therefore be valid scientifically speaking.

I am talking about how people bring up this topic simply to get a rather controlled outcome...people will always comment on it, naturally. That's what I was talking about.

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andr3w84 16 years ago

If you are talking about multitasking, then very possibly yes, women outperform men.
I would relate this to old ancient times when on a daily basis men only had one main task (get food) while women had to take care of children, keep the house, cook, and so on. I believe it doesn't get more complicated than this. Of course this scenario may change in the future as the original task-separation between genders becomes a thing of the past.
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

One person in your quotes is arguing that there is in fact a difference between men and women which could make the gender debate valid. They were using scientific discoveries to back up their point: which is that men may be better than women, or women may be better than men. I.E. The debate of men vs. women would therefore be valid scientifically speaking.

I am talking about how people bring up this topic simply to get a rather controlled outcome...people will always comment on it, naturally. That's what I was talking about.

Look at some studies, and it seems there is doubt that even the basic premise is true. Extrapolating ideas from that is dangerous anyway. HECK, kim peek didn't even really have a corpus callosum, and he could do some things that would traditionally require switching.

And he just HAPPENS to be male. I use him as an example only because he was not a genius or even what I earlier referred to as healthy. He basically had no callosum, and basically had one big brain. A woman apparently has two smaller hemispheres that could be considered brains in their own right that are connected. Apparently, it is almost like having a spare. A man has the same kind of deal except that

1. SOME claim the whole is larger than in females(It has been disputed. They have said smaller, same, larger(due to size of the person), larger period)
2. SOME claim it is connected by a smaller nerve bundle(It has been disputed. They have said that the sample was too small or contaminated, etc...)
3. Apparently, the sides are more specialized than they are in females

HECK, the ability to read BOTH pages of a book at once was rather amazing. I believe he could even write with both hands, at once.

Besides, if this were true, then ALL healthy females would easily multitask, etc... and men would have more trouble. Frankly, that doesn't fit with my experience.

HECK, they USED to say that brain differentiation happens because of estrogen's effects in FEMALES! NOW some say that brain differentiation happens because of estrogen's effects in MALES! The idea is that estrogen doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, so in females it has NO effect BUT, in males, the DHT crosses the barrier and becomes estrogen.

Talk about WEIRD! HEY, when I was a kid, I was told that TESTOSTERONE was responsible for masculinization. NOW, they find that TESTOSTERONE does FAR LESS than thought, and the rest is done by DHT. THAT is why women should not handle propecia. If she has a male child, he could be deformed because it affects the covnversion of testosterone to dht.

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16 years ago

My experience has been that women tend to be better at multi-tasking where men tend to be better at linear tasks. There are however no absolutes ;-)

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Chris W. Sutton

16 years ago

Women are better then men and things and men are better then women at things.

That's a bit too general I think. I have made posts about not lumping people (gurus) into groups and it is the same with males and females. Some PEOPLE are better at other things than other PEOPLE.

Everybody has to stand and be counted as an individual. We are all responsible for ourselves and we all have unique and INDIVIDUAL talents.

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Christian York

16 years ago

I think it depends greatly on the person.

Some women will be great as virtual assistants and some men will be great as virtual assistants.

Some women will be terrible as virtual assistants and some men will be terrible as virtual assistants.

I don't think its as simple as women are good, men are bad.

That's from my own experience

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Banned 16 years ago

Because we were born to do these things. Sorry guys!!!

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NoblesKnives 16 years ago

Women's brains are more active than a man's on an ongoing basis. Because of this they can handle multiple tasks better than men. Men tend to be more focused on one thing and therefore will stop what they are doing now to focus on the next thing, sometimes when it is not finished. Of course this is generally speaking. There are some women who can not do one thing good, much less many as there are some men who can mulitask better than any woman.
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- addice 16 years ago
  
  Hmm I also agree that it's dependent on your personality type...
  
  However I do agree that most girls do a better job in complicated stuff... Especially when they deal with finances... Haha
  
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16 years ago

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AndrewCavanagh 16 years ago

I'd answer the question you pose in your initial post but I just can't seem to work out how to make a reply.

It's not easy being male in a complicated world.

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16 years ago

I think females just have more time on their hands personally.

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acrasial 16 years ago

Originally Posted by kea55

I think females just have more time on their hands personally.

Everyone has the same amount of time, as long as they are breathing and are not lying in a casket. What I mean by this, is that the day still has 24 hours. Now if someone chooses to do more in their day than others, then that has nothing to do with their gender either, but rather their own mindset.

No one has more time than the other, we all have 24 hours in a day to get things done. If we want to stretch that out to 36 hours or 48 hours, by not sleeping just to finish things, fine....but that still doesn't change the fact that we are all living and working on the same time as others, until we die.
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by ryanman

I have hired both males and females as virtual assistants...But time and again...Female assistants always outperform males. I don't know why it is this way but for some reason females tend to perform way better than males when it comes to analytical tasks. What do you guys think?

Good way to pick up chicks on the WF lol

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ryanman 16 years ago

Originally Posted by armadin

Good way to pick up chicks on the WF lol

Not really! This place is strictly for business purposes...I learned a very vital lesson some time ago. Do not poop where you eat...So I don't do that:p.
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Ashley Skuse

16 years ago

It's about the individual, not the gender. Yes, both genders may have different natural strengths from each other, but at the end of the day all hard workers on this planet are made up of men AND women.

Personally I've had better experiences in working with women, but surely that's not enough to make such a statement as "females are way better than males at getting complicated tasks done fast"?

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Zabrina

16 years ago

Psychology has taught us that our similarities are far greater than our differences, though people like to emphasize the latter.

That being said, it really depends on the person. If you have hired 20 females and 2 males, your sample sizes are outta whack. If fewer males are VAs on the website you're on, there will be fewer to choose from and it's more likely you'll get a "dud".

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Zabrina

Psychology has taught us that our similarities are far greater than our differences, though people like to emphasize the latter.

That being said, it really depends on the person. If you have hired 20 females and 2 males, your sample sizes are outta whack. If fewer males are VAs on the website you're on, there will be fewer to choose from and it's more likely you'll get a "dud".

I have seen some women bosses that were VERY feminine, and some that were more masculine like. Frankly, most of the better managers don't act in a very different way. At one customer, I had a boss that was male, and nice but DEFINITELY male, and the sponsor(effectively acting like HIS boss) was FEMALE, nice, feminine, etc... They BOTH were the BEST I have ever had, had similar management styles, etc.... The man basically hired me, managed the whole team I was on, which was basically the WHOLE building, etc... The woman was the one that did some management towards the end, and laid me off because I finished all the work and was the most expensive one there. She was very nice about it and, obviously, I have no hard feelings.

Anyway, they were very similar. They BOTH seemed to multitask well.

As to the 20/2 bit? I interview TWO nationalities, for the most part. I spoke with my boss a few days ago, because one nationality tends to fail my interview and, lately, the other has been passing. HEY, I interviewed 5 of the ones, of which two flunked. One just recently flunked. On the other, I interviewed about 2000 or so, and 3 recently passed, one flunked. But the larger group tends to be the best of their area, has limited options, and so we tend to get among the best. The smaller group is representative of the whole, has MANY options, so the best may have been hired elsewhere.

You ALWAYS have to look at the sample to see what it could mean.

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Lee MacRae 16 years ago

In actual fact gays...and especially gay men make much better virtual assistants...first of all their feminine traits allow them to multi-task like a female BUT they don't have that particular time of the month that creates a bit of confusion and down time for female virtual assistants....AND they have enough male muscle that they can carry your heavy stuff like a filing cabinet or your laptop and take out the garbage or pick up your dry cleaning when needed if they are close by when you need a non-virtual assistants for a time...AND they are great at coming up with designs to redecorate your office...AND they attract a lot of women cause everyone knows women love gay men because they are adorable and non-threatening...AND that allows me to move in and take my pick....yes, gay men make the best virtual assistants hands down for a number of great reasons!
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- acrasial 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Lee MacRae
  
  In actual fact gays...and especially gay men make much better virtual assistants...
  
  They are still MEN. I'm not sure if you are trying to suggest that they are neither men nor women, but are both?
  
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  Originally Posted by acrasial
  
  They are still MEN. I'm not sure if you are trying to suggest that they are neither men nor women, but are both?
  
  There is a subset of "homosexuals" who act in an identical and odd way known as effeminate. They may TEND to be interested in "fashion"(Frankly, I think it is ODD and not deserving of the term), claim to be good judges of feminine beauty, and may try to "emulate" it. If you ask me, they do NOT act feminine, etc... , though they certainly don't act masculine.
  
  LEE is trying to indicate that they have FEMININE brains and mental strengths, coupled with masculine physical strength and thus, outside of the obvious sexual differences, are superior to EITHER sex. And I am certainly not even claiming that males are 100% physically superior.
  
  The problem is that the initial deal about them having the SAME mental attributes, and that they are feminine is WHOLLY wrong! Other claims are wrong at least in part.
  
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acrasial

16 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

I think it was not a bad marketing manuever at all to post a potentially
inflammatory thread guaranteed to polarize people with the hopes of
drawing attention to your sig file.

I have no comment on the topic of your thread. But you asked what us
guys think, so I'm telling you.

I gather the OP may want to come in now and ask people "what they are on about", as if they are just so damn clueless. But at the end of the day, the majority of folks posting, whether it's in a thread, or as a response, are just looking to draw attention to their sig anyways.

Some are just not as effective at it as others, and some are just more open and obvious about it than others.

And then there are those who don't have a sig, and are drawing attention, and for "gosh" knows what reason.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

I think it was not a bad marketing manuever at all to post a potentially
inflammatory thread guaranteed to polarize people with the hopes of
drawing attention to your sig file.

I have no comment on the topic of your thread. But you asked what us
guys think, so I'm telling you.

Thanks for the compliment

. Can you please provide me with more input on how I can better myself...And not open threads at all again in the near future just due to the fear that someone might think I am just looking for signature clicks?

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acrasial

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ryanman

Thanks for the compliment

. Can you please provide me with more input on how I can better myself...And not open threads at all again in the near future just due to the fear that someone might think I am just looking for signature clicks?

I've carefully watched your posts/threads, and a lot of your treads do offer some valuable insight or tips. However, they either have few responses, or are simply ignored altogether for topics like these, which add no value to anyone's life really.

Because at the end of the day, everyone is still going to hire their employees based on what they can do, not based on their gender. So can't blame RyanMan for this thread having as many views and responses as it has received....because that's what the majority is interested in!

So you give the majority what they want, they get happy, but the few minority folks will groan, as we have....however we understand exactly why someone would have to do this in the first place.

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thunderbird 16 years ago

Originally Posted by acrasial

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Because at the end of the day, everyone is still going to hire their employees based on what they can do, not based on their gender. <snip>

Being competent and qualified is only part of the equation. Someone has to also be able to handle mob dynamics. Workplaces are often psychologically abusive environments, and sometimes thuggish personality types bully more competent employees, then take credit for their work.

Perhaps more important that actually being qualified is being equipped not to take sh*t from anyone.
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thunderbird

16 years ago

It actually took me a long time to learn that some women really aren't like men (most men, that is) and, in fact, are feminine and ladylike. This was a new concept for me, having grown up with coverall-wearing butch sisters, one of whom can beat most guys up (martial arts). My wife, with her genuine interest in things like fashion and beauty helped enlighten me (and I also learned a new form of torture known as "Trips to the Shopping Mall.")

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mahesh2k

16 years ago

I don't get into gender bias, all i care is getting task done. Who does it better is out of question when it comes to complicated task.

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Fraggler

16 years ago

The whole multi-tasking thing comes up all the time in all sorts of discussions. As far as I know (and after a quick Google), there is no scientific evidence concluding that either sex is better at multitasking.

I would be more than happy to have someone reference a peer reviewed scientific study supporting it.

Personality usually determines quality and qauntity of work.

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seasoned

16 years ago

Boy Lee, WHAT a BIASED, overly general, and demonstrably inaccurate post!

Even HOMOSEXUALS will tell you they don't even ACT one way. They aren't all muscular, even compared to a below average STRAIGHT male, etc... And I bet not all women feel that way!

HECK, if they all acted the same way, there would be almost NO homosexuals in the military. Those getting into the military probably would have all been hazed out. There would probably be NO homosexuals in sports, etc.... The concept of coming out (of the closet) would NOT exist, since none could be IN the closet.

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Cali16

16 years ago

What a silly thread..... sigh..... Let me sum it up for you:

Females have ALWAYS been the superior gender.... most men have just been slow to realize this (go figure!)

(And yes, I'm kidding.........

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seasoned

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Cali16

What a silly thread..... sigh..... Let me sum it up for you:

Females have ALWAYS been the superior gender.... most men have just been slow to realize this (go figure!)

(And yes, I'm kidding.........

)

Too bad some say that and AREN'T kidding.

No man worth his salt would say that all women are inferior, or all men are superior, in whole or even in part. Frankly, I don't see what the point is ANYWAY! If YOU do something better than anyone else, WHO CARES if nobody else of your sex does better than the other. If most in your sex are better than the other at something, that doesn't mean YOU are. The SAME goes for race, age, club, etc... When all in a group realize that, the relevant "competing" group stands a chance of being more friendly. AND those on the other side that DON'T agree may be encouraged to change their opinion.

BTW YOU here refers to the reader or anyone in a group. It obviously DOESN'T mean Cali16, since she already said she was kidding.

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Lee MacRae 16 years ago

Sigh!

Sarcasm is the rhetorical device of using a characterization of something or someone in order to express contempt.:rolleyes:

I guess I just need to put more smiley faces like Cali16
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jennypitts

16 years ago

WOW, a long thread indeed... I guess this is another never ending subject of life, who can handle more pressure, who is stronger, who can multitask better, who is smarter, who cooks better? And the list goes on. Truth is ever since women began doing the same things as men, taking on the same responsibilities, the comparisons have always taken place, and always will. But THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC evidence as to who is better.

IF Ryan has had better results with women performing more complicated tasks maybe I have had a better experience with men. IT is relevant, subject to vary and dependable on so many factors. Truth is, it will ALWAYS continue to create harsh and long debates like RIGHT NOW!!!!

In my house, my husband is WAY to analytical, sometimes to his advantage and others to his detriment, and can handle multitasking (except of course for house chores and taking care of the kids, LOL). So in his case this scenario does not necessarily apply. I too can multitask but I am not as analytical. Who knows, maybe we will never really know...

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acrasial 16 years ago

Originally Posted by jennypitts

WOW, a long thread indeed...

You find this thread to be long? LOL, just wait till you see some of the 15+ page threads!
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- IndomitableD 16 years ago
  
  Whoa, gang!!! Not to be a newb thread-nanny or anything, but the OP was talking about VAs, right?
  
  The thread title was titillating, but then something like 'how do you screen potential VAs?' would have been pretty boring, no?
  
  To the person who replied that females just have more time on their hands: dip it, sunshine. (Is that harsh? I try to be hip even tho- I'm older than dirt.)
  
  I've had female bosses, male bosses... I've BEEN a female boss (multiple, well-paid times) with male and female employees. Completely based on experience and the things we bossy types discuss in real life, I am convinced that gender doesn't make a bit of difference in clerical and/or assistant positions.
  
  The only place gender matters is when the male and/or female has an INTERACTIVE role in the biz, and then, ONLY when the individual is communicating directly with customers. Which if we hark back to O'Ps bait-y post title, isn't the issue.
  
  A productive turn of events with this thread (for me) would be about effective criteria for selecting freelancers/assistants. But then, that would be my newbie, nanny-propensity getting all rational about advancing my own newly embraced online career.
  
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Anthony_Hall

16 years ago

Well for the couple of years that I lived with my mom and sister I noticed they were great multi-taskers and they would certainly get things done but didn't show much attention to detail (I was ALWAYS redoing the bathrooms). I would spend twice as long working on a project than they did but my results were always better (as long as I didn't get distracted, which happens a lot.)

So in my experience once a guy gets focused on something they can get to the point of obsession about it (which doesn't happen often). A girl will do things well (at all times) but probably not to the point of obsession. Personal observation though, not sure how that holds out for the rest of you.

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Mohammad Afaq

16 years ago

I'm not being a sexist here but females really work better than males (in most cases).

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IndomitableD 16 years ago

Originally Posted by mohammad111

I'm not being a sexist here but females really work better than males (in most cases).

Whoa!!! You don't get to say this kind of crud without a call-out by this 50-something year old female. Your assertion is sexist, in spite of your pretendy, and not funny parenthetical "(in most cases)". Please stop it. You may think you are being appropriate with the nincompoop phrase "I'm not being a sexist here...", but that little undermining lead-in stinks like uneducated, pre-civil rights, wholly un-modern and insensitive language.

Do you find it appropriate to say "I'm not being a racist here but 'ethnic/gender/racial/ageist slur"'s really work better than 'ethnic/gender/racial/ageist" slur-labeled individauls? Is it necessary for me to get real blunt? Shall I just say out loud how disgusting your throw-away post reads? In blunt and plain language? I don't really care whether I get banned from here. I'm just a newbie who can read all this great information regardless of my membership status. Apparently you don't give a danged, either.

Good grief. Are we such knuckle-dragging schlubs we can't actually address the rational criteria for hiring VAs, which was, if I recall correctly, the point of this thread's original post?
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