All You Need Is Traffic...

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in my humble opinion, SEO and Adwords should be a starting point for all people looking to get into internet marketing.

I think people trying to make money on the internet need to figure out how to generate traffic before they can start learning what a good adsense layout is, or how to increase your CTR. Once you have the traffic, THEN you can start optimizing and learning other methods of monetizing a site. The reason why I think SEO is the best starting point is because there are over 90 million google searches PER DAY. There's hundreds and hundreds of niches out there to dominate and make money in.

If you knew SEO like the back of your hand, I think you can then focus on how to monetize a highly ranked site. There's commission junction, CPA, Adsense, clickbank and so many others. The opportunities are endless and you can pretty much sell anything. Go to shopping.com, look at their most searched for list, rank a site for a search related to that product, put up some widgets from amazon or commission junction, and thats all it takes. A website with widgets and banners and blah blah blah is no good with no traffic.

anyways just thinking let me know what you guys think and what your favorite method of getting traffic and monetizing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author webwriter
    Getting traffic has been difficult for me, mostly because I've been relying on such free methods as article writing exclusively. These methods may be effective, but are very time-consuming and don't yield good results even after a short period of time.

    Recently, I've read pay-per-click yields results sooner rather than later. I don't know. One author heartily supports a given method, while other doesn't. It doesn't get any more confusing than that.

    I just consider my circumstances and goals and ask myself if a given method would be doable for me at a given point.
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  • What if your copy doesnt convert, you pick a bad product, or you dont target properly? Then, all the traffic in the world will not save you.

    Traffic is not all you need. In fact, it isnt evn the first thing you need.

    Product Research
    Market Research
    Competitor Research
    Keyword Research
    Write Copy that converts
    Drive Traffic
    Tweak your copy
    Tweak your copy
    Tweak your copy
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    • Profile picture of the author landonwiggs
      That is true, non targeted traffic will not convert and is useless. well put i like your checklist!! my main point i guess is SEO is the best way of driving traffic and the opportunities are endless, and its free!!


      Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery View Post

      What if your copy doesnt convert, you pick a bad product, or you dont target properly? Then, all the traffic in the world will not save you.

      Traffic is not all you need. In fact, it isnt evn the first thing you need.

      Product Research
      Market Research
      Competitor Research
      Keyword Research
      Write Copy that converts
      Drive Traffic
      Tweak your copy
      Tweak your copy
      Tweak your copy
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    SEO is too complex for most new marketers... step one is always 'choosing a profitable niche' if you pick a niche where nobody is buying you won't make money period
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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by jbode View Post

      SEO is too complex for most new marketers... step one is always 'choosing a profitable niche' if you pick a niche where nobody is buying you won't make money period
      Not always true. For example, some of the highest earning Adsense sites I've ever owned were based on informational keywords, not buying keywords. Many ways to skin the cat in IM. It's hardly ever black and white.
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  • Profile picture of the author landonwiggs
    Maybe Im being a little biased because some newbies don't even know what an anchor text is. But def. if you learn SEO, i think it's the most powerful traffic source because it's free and you can optimize for anything you want.
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    • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
      Originally Posted by landonwiggs View Post

      Maybe Im being a little biased because some newbies don't even know what an anchor text is. But def. if you learn SEO, i think it's the most powerful traffic source because it's free and you can optimize for anything you want.
      I agree but soon it's going to be hard for the "Sloppy-SEO'er" to make it soon on Google I think.

      The search engine is moving toward more relevancy based results instead of just keywords.

      In fact, recently Google purchased a patent for a new style of search that was based on the root meaning behind the search.

      SEO isn't dead. But trashy, spammy SEO is going down the garbage soon. In my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author jennypitts
      Originally Posted by landonwiggs View Post

      Maybe Im being a little biased because some newbies don't even know what an anchor text is. But def. if you learn SEO, i think it's the most powerful traffic source because it's free and you can optimize for anything you want.

      SEO is a great way to increase your SERPs and also your rank, however it does not always guarantee an increase in traffic. There are many things that need to be taken into consideration. Say for example your page is number 1 for your main keyword, and you are fully optimized, yet your main keyword only renders about 150 people searching for it on Google a month. Your probability of traffic will be perhaps 10% if that, which means way less than fifty people a month. THAT is not a good result. So you have to make sure when you do SEO you have a good niche and you are certain people will be searching for that particular keyword or phrase.

      On the other hand, say you have optimum SEO results, you have great niche, great SERPs, but your turnover is low. This means you need to invest some money in some marketing efforts. Write sales copy and draw people directly to your site, maybe even create and opt-in list to which you will continue to follow up and give them reasons to visit your site.

      Marketing your site is not an easy task, yet it is not impossible if done right and planned ahead. But above all one must be persistent, consistent and patient.
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      • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
        Originally Posted by jennypitts View Post

        SEO is a great way to increase your SERPs and also your rank, however it does not always guarantee an increase in traffic. There are many things that need to be taken into consideration. Say for example your page is number 1 for your main keyword, and you are fully optimized, yet your main keyword only renders about 150 people searching for it on Google a month. Your probability of traffic will be perhaps 10% if that, which means way less than fifty people a month. THAT is not a good result. So you have to make sure when you do SEO you have a good niche and you are certain people will be searching for that particular keyword or phrase.

        On the other hand, say you have optimum SEO results, you have great niche, great SERPs, but your turnover is low. This means you need to invest some money in some marketing efforts. Write sales copy and draw people directly to your site, maybe even create and opt-in list to which you will continue to follow up and give them reasons to visit your site.

        Marketing your site is not an easy task, yet it is not impossible if done right and planned ahead. But above all one must be persistent, consistent and patient.

        I think a lot of people still target only 1 keyword without any variation. I really think this causes a lot of SEO'ers problems when they are first starting out.

        It's fine to target one keyword - It's not fine to spam a bunch of anchor texts to that one keyword.

        I have a Blogspot site that I was attempting to tackle a 67,000 KW and ended up over-doing the anchor text links at the beginning. I was so trigger happy that this little site had 150+ Yahoo links within 2 weeks.. hehe

        Needless to say, Google dropped my page into the Sandbox..
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        • Profile picture of the author landonwiggs
          two awesome video courses are "the seo method" by david jenyns and also "backlink jackpot" those guys really break it down and give you their methods. as long as someone always remembers to keep it as natural looking as possible, then i think alot of their questions will be answered.


          Originally Posted by joecrupie View Post

          I think a lot of people still target only 1 keyword without any variation. I really think this causes a lot of SEO'ers problems when they are first starting out.

          It's fine to target one keyword - It's not fine to spam a bunch of anchor texts to that one keyword.

          I have a Blogspot site that I was attempting to tackle a 67,000 KW and ended up over-doing the anchor text links at the beginning. I was so trigger happy that this little site had 150+ Yahoo links within 2 weeks.. hehe

          Needless to say, Google dropped my page into the Sandbox..
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    @Zues66 good point... I guess I should have defined it more as picking a niche & or keywords based on what will be profitable for your business model
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  • Profile picture of the author jmcg084
    Thats a nice run down on the order of monetizing a website.

    You are certainly right saying that webmasters need to focus on getting the traffic to their websites first before thinking about monetizing through Adsense and other affiliate programs.

    The best way to get traffic is to rank highly in your niche by ensuring you meet the engines on page and off page criteria, ie, enough keywords in your content and inbound links to your site.

    This type of traffic is also the best, because its organic, as opposed to traffic that has come via ads and banners. Organic traffic gives you high CTRs and this is what you need to aim for.

    I like to ensure I meet both on and off page criteria and the traffic just snowballs in. =)
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Never ever tell a newbie to dive into adwords =/. The only time a newbie should enter adwords is if there is a mentor standing right behind them guiding them through it. You basically might aswell tell them to go to Los Vegas and put it all on a number and see if they win. They will loose money and the few which do make money, well, my Las Vegas example is good .

      SEO on the other hand, it is a good place for a newbie to start but is it really the best, probably not. A newbie will want to see some sort of instant result, they will want to see traffic coming to the site straight away and SEO can take some time before kicking in. That doesn't mean they shouldn't learn it, it is defiantly a good source of traffic but maybe something more instant like forums or social media, they will produce traffic much fast then SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    You know what beats SEO traffic? List traffic. As long as you take good care of your list members, you'll get more conversions and build loyal repeat customers, many for life. I'm sick to death of Google and its ever changing rules and rankings. I think most marketers would be wise to divest themselves of so much reliance on Google rankings for their traffic. Find ways to get people in your niche on your email list, then turn them into loyal customers. Think about offline businesses. Don't you go back to the ones that provide the best products and services over and over again? Same concept online, but far too few of us embrace it.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author dbonline
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      You know what beats SEO traffic? List traffic. As long as you take good care of your list members, you'll get more conversions and build loyal repeat customers, many for life. I'm sick to death of Google and its ever changing rules and rankings. I think most marketers would be wise to divest themselves of so much reliance on Google rankings for their traffic. Find ways to get people in your niche on your email list, then turn them into loyal customers. Think about offline businesses. Don't you go back to the ones that provide the best products and services over and over again? Same concept online, but far too few of us embrace it.

      John
      Good point. It's true that a handful of loyal subscribers to a newsletter for example can generate a lot more results than a huge pile of random traffic in most cases.
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    • Profile picture of the author chuckblade2004
      Ive been concentrating a lot on seo but I agree with having a list ......I really want to start concentrating on that more but Im not sure where to get the best squeeze pages ,optin boxes,etc. and also what to offer the people in the list, Any suggestions?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ram
        We do no SEO beyond the absolute basics. We have no linking strategy, etc. We don't worry about keywords other than the domain name, title and meta tags.

        Why? Not our biz model.

        We drive all traffic to squeeze pages. All of our traffic strategies are based on that. Then we send list traffic where we want it to go.

        We don't do Adsense sites, review sites, landing pages for CPA or affiliate products, etc. Not our model. And we don't care if anyone finds our sales pages until we get them on the list.

        To us, it's all about the list.

        SEO and Adwords are great. But they aren't the grail. Most of the traffic to our squeeze pages comes from offline (magazine, newspaper, radio, direct mail)
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    I heard a great marketer say once, that free traffic isnt really free.

    You pay with time, and your limited - the potential for growth is not the same.

    You can outsource it, yeah, but then your back to dealing with paid traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
      Originally Posted by Profit-smart View Post

      I heard a great marketer say once, that free traffic isnt really free.

      You pay with time, and your limited - the potential for growth is not the same.

      You can outsource it, yeah, but then your back to dealing with paid traffic.
      Not a bad point of view. Funny to think about.
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  • Profile picture of the author herisetiyawan
    yeah..i completely agree...SEO and PPC campaign is the best driving traffic method..But SEO is quite complicated...My blogs have been banned for no mistakes..And PPC campaign is excellent...but it's expensive for newbie with tight budget like me...
    thx for sharing..
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    SEO stands for search engine optimist

    Let someone else learn SEO and PPC then you find them and make them a deal to send you their used traffic.

    And all traffic is used

    The only way to get traffic to any site is to convince someone else to redirect their traffic to you. So let someone else do all the hard work then bribe them in some way to redirect their traffic to you

    Robert

    PS: the last thing you need is traffic... Get the sales process right first

    Sending traffic to a site or page that doesnt convert is why most people give up and cry foul.
    sending traffic to an unresponsive sales process is like pissing into the wind.

    You only get your own back
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    Lots of traffic is only important if you have a poor click through rate. It is the shotgun method used by most Internet Marketers because they have to put their product in front of so many pairs of eyes before they get a sale.

    On the other hand if you have a good product and market it correctly then you can make very good money with very little traffic.

    For example we have one site that only gets about 400 visitors a month but the conversion rate is about 1 in about 3 so we make around 100 sales a month at around 2 to 300 a sale is a nice little income.

    Could we get a lot more traffic?

    Of course - however the cost for that traffic increases a lot and the conversions do not change that much.

    You see lots of people use a shotgun method. Get lots of traffic and hope for the best.

    We are snipers and go for converting traffic. You will never get as much but you will also spend a lot less time getting it and after all arnt we going for lifestyle not another job.

    So concentrate on conversion first and then traffic.

    Quentin
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    This is an interesting thread because it jumps to the heart of what many new IMers believe will make them rich.

    There are several misconceptions in IM that are responsible for lots of confusion and frustration, one is that once you have your own product you'll make money, another is that with enough traffic you'll make great money and the other is that building a list means you'll make great money.

    People have already said it but I'm going to repeat it - None of that stuff works if you're targeting the wrong people.

    You can 1000000 people to your site but you're selling sausages and they're vegetarians - you're not going to sell a sausage.

    If you get 5 drug addicts to your cocain site - you've got 5 repeat customers. (I know that's a stupid example but you get the point).

    People get filled with this generic "it's a numbers game" crap that misguides them into thinking lists and traffic are what building a business is all about.

    That's BS - admittedly popular BS that's told by many people, but still BS.

    This is where I like what mr Puddy is all about - he knows this better than anyone - it's about selling stuff, not stroking your ego about the numbers of people that come to your site. Until you sell something - nothing else matters (if it's a profitable business you're trying to build).

    SEO - Irrelevant.
    PPC - Irrelevant.
    LISTS - Irrelevant.

    Until you are clear about how you are going to effectively provide someone with a solution they want to buy...........

    You don't NEED to understand anything about SEO to make money online.

    You don't NEED to understand PPC to make money

    You don't need a list to make money.

    Those are things that you do AFTER you have your business clear - they're activities that support and scale your business, but if you have no business - they're just irrelevant distractions. As Rob said - SEO without a business is Search Engine Optimism.

    This is a really important thing to consider.

    There are a lot of deluded people who will tell you that you NEED a blog, a list, ppc, rss, articles, press releases, links, etc.. etc...

    Those things are nothing to do with your business - they're tools and strategies for growing your business - they're not your business.

    Most people are aware that if you're intending people to find you on the internet that you need to factor-in what they're searching for - because those searches and the way and places that they do them DEFINE how you need to take action to be find by them. If your market are all using Youtube and not Google then you're wasting your time on seo.

    Yes - you CAN do many of these activities and 'hope' that you get some results - but that's gambling not business.

    People selling you information to appeal to your desperation for success will tell you whatever they think you need to hear in order to buy their stuff. You think articles are the answer to your problems - there are people lined up to sell you stuff. You think SEO is the answer - the line of sellers is even longer.

    Those things are like gold diggers shovels - and there are a lot of shovel vendors.

    The thing they're not telling you is - they don't care whether you know where to dig or not - that's not their problem.

    Yes, you might strike it lucky and happen upon a good place to dig - but if you use the right tools to do your research BEFORE you buy your shovel, so that you know what you'll find when you start digging in a particular place - the shovel is just an obvious part of your plan which you need to get your results.

    Without your plan/map - you'll be buying shovels all year and not finding any gold.

    IM is full of these misdirecting tactic/strategy/tool related focuses - that completely miss the point that the tool is only as useful as the job you can do with it and your understanding of how you can make money doing that job.

    There is NO 'all you need' answer to your business - and everyone's business is different, so even if someone else has one for their business - it's probably not right for yours. The shovel that finds gold for them may not find gold when you dig somewhere else with it.

    Andy
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    • Profile picture of the author Dunder
      Wow, you are certainly on fire today.

      I have read several posts from you today that are all absolutely on the money.

      In fact, they are better than things I have paid for.

      Many thanks for that post.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by landonwiggs View Post

    in my humble opinion, SEO and Adwords should be a starting point for all people looking to get into internet marketing.
    I think we have a problem here since neither SEO nor Adwords are really something where you could quickly start out without indepth knowledge.

    Adwords is VERY complex and for the typical newbie affiliate the math simply doesn't work. And also SEO needs a lot of knowledge and work.

    I think a newbie would do good simply spend some time learning SEO, i think it has overall the best benefit since a highly ranked site is just the best thing ever. But for starters i would rather recommend article marketing and similar, or simply start thinking out of the box.

    (Buy banners, buy links on videos on youtube, etc....craigslist marketing)

    I also want to STRONGLY oppose that adwords is "the best way to drive traffic" (i wouldnt say this if i wouldnt have done adwords for about 2 years myself)....you need to spend TONS of money and do split-testing and tweak a campaign until it becomes lucrative. You need to understand keyword research, quality score and much, much more.

    The chances are 90% that Google will pull money from your pocket and you will lose money, the remaining 10% who are successful w/ adwords are the professionals who did extensive split testing and tweaking, keyword research etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    I agree with the former but not with the latter point about AdWords. AdWords is a 'nice to have' for most people who may not be able to afford even a few £$£$ hence why they go down the organic route.

    Still very good points which I agree with you on though.

    Originally Posted by landonwiggs View Post

    in my humble opinion, SEO and Adwords should be a starting point for all people looking to get into internet marketing.

    I think people trying to make money on the internet need to figure out how to generate traffic before they can start learning what a good adsense layout is, or how to increase your CTR. Once you have the traffic, THEN you can start optimizing and learning other methods of monetizing a site. The reason why I think SEO is the best starting point is because there are over 90 million google searches PER DAY. There's hundreds and hundreds of niches out there to dominate and make money in.

    If you knew SEO like the back of your hand, I think you can then focus on how to monetize a highly ranked site. There's commission junction, CPA, Adsense, clickbank and so many others. The opportunities are endless and you can pretty much sell anything. Go to shopping.com, look at their most searched for list, rank a site for a search related to that product, put up some widgets from amazon or commission junction, and thats all it takes. A website with widgets and banners and blah blah blah is no good with no traffic.

    anyways just thinking let me know what you guys think and what your favorite method of getting traffic and monetizing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    "Chicken and Egg"

    All the traffic in the world is no good of the product does not sell. A great produt will always sel lthough even if it is just from owrd of mouth. So I kind of disagree with the OP.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alminc
      I think this is important for al newbies to know.
      It's so easy to forget that you have no traffic
      when you are buying various products online,
      e.g. PLR ebooks etc. All sales letters for such
      product say ' just put your name on it and start
      selling' and similar nonsense.

      Before you purchase any such product ask yourself:
      " Do I already have traffic to use for this or not?"
      If the naswer is no, don't buy!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mrs S
        Originally Posted by Alminc View Post

        I think this is important for al newbies to know.
        It's so easy to forget that you have no traffic
        when you are buying various products online,
        e.g. PLR ebooks etc. All sales letters for such
        product say ' just put your name on it and start
        selling' and similar nonsense.

        Before you purchase any such product ask yourself:
        " Do I already have traffic to use for this or not?"
        If the naswer is no, don't buy!
        This should be the first thing every newbie learns. The problem with the internet is that it is far too easy to get your hands on a product and build a website and then sit back and wonder why no ones visiting! I don't think it really matters which traffic generation method you use as long as you just take action and start letting people know that your website exists.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      "Chicken and Egg"

      A great produt will always sel lthough even if it is just from word of mouth. So I kind of disagree with the OP.

      here is another myth that needs busting.... There are 1000's of great products out there that dont sell because nobody got the marketing department involved.

      If you dont know how to push people down the aisles and up to the checkout, they will leave without buying a thing.

      Robert
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      • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
        Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

        here is another myth that needs busting.... There are 1000's of great products out there that dont sell because nobody got the marketing department involved.

        If you dont know how to push people down the aisles and up to the checkout, they will leave without buying a thing.

        Robert
        It's not even always about the product. In some niches, YOU become the product in the eyes of your customers. Endeavor to be accessible and helpful when you sell some"thing" and then you make a lasting impression. Nothing creates loyalty like this very human extra step.

        John
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