Do You Have To Like Your Niche To Be Good At It?

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NOTE: This is just my opinion which is based on my personal experience only...

My answer to this question is...yes you do.

I think that one of the biggest reasons people "fail" at online business is because they don't like what they're doing.

When you're new at anything it's easy to slip back into old habits. I've done this and we all do it constantly. *Think New Year's Resolutions for weight loss*

So I'm going out on a limb and telling anyone who reads this...you better like your niche or you won't want to create products in it, build a list of people with problems you can solve, and otherwise do business in it.

My theory is that you should stick with what you like so "working" isn't "work" anymore and just "play." That's how I feel about the IM niche which is why I stick 100% to it.

What do you think?

Cheers,

Brad


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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    100% agree Brad.

    I've tackled markets and built big niche lists, only to get bored a few months later.

    Plus, there's a couple of other reasons why I think it's a good idea to actually enjoy the topic/niche yourself:

    1. easier to understand, and therefore create content for
    2. easier to understand, and therefore convert your traffic better

    I agree, when you don't like the topic, then you don't understand it or the people in it. That's why people find marketing so hard a lot of the time...because they have this secondary battle of trying to create content, develop the right offers and effectively communicate with their market.

    It's SO much easier when YOU are your target market.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      100% agree Brad.

      I've tackled markets and built big niche lists, only to get bored a few months later.
      How do you EVER get bored helping people and making money doing it?

      Plus, there's a couple of other reasons why I think it's a good idea to actually enjoy the topic/niche yourself:

      1. easier to understand, and therefore create content for
      Content can be created by others, outsourcing is a powerful tool.

      2. easier to understand, and therefore convert your traffic better
      Research allows me to understand a demographic fully...

      It's SO much easier when YOU are your target market.
      I would have to respectfully disagree... it's so much easier when you know how to BE your target market...

      In fact, it is so much easier to overlook the important stuff, when you are caught up in your niche love affair

      You don't have to actually BE them, just know how to BE them.

      It's an important distinction, imho. Of course.

      Peace

      Jay
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      • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
        No, you don't. But oh man, does it help!
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesFrancisIM
    Yeah definitely, I agree.

    There's a certain extent to which you can make some money in a random niche you choose to go into, but you won't surpass the "wow" factor unless you're really congruent with the audience you're targeting.

    In short, if you're a phoney, they'll see right through you.

    - James.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
      Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post

      100% agree Brad.

      I've tackled markets and built big niche lists, only to get bored a few months later.

      Plus, there's a couple of other reasons why I think it's a good idea to actually enjoy the topic/niche yourself:

      1. easier to understand, and therefore create content for
      2. easier to understand, and therefore convert your traffic better

      I agree, when you don't like the topic, then you don't understand it or the people in it. That's why people find marketing so hard a lot of the time...because they have this secondary battle of trying to create content, develop the right offers and effectively communicate with their market.

      It's SO much easier when YOU are your target market.
      It's interesting that you point out the idea of BEING your target market. The easiest products I've ever created have been about what I was learning at the time.

      So easy to monetize when you just record what works, what doesn't (just as important if not more so), and then sell it.

      So freaking easy plus you have built in relatability...which is key to converting cold or slightly warm traffic.

      Thanks for posting

      Cheers,

      Brad

      Originally Posted by JamesFrancisIM View Post

      Yeah definitely, I agree.

      There's a certain extent to which you can make some money in a random niche you choose to go into, but you won't surpass the "wow" factor unless you're really congruent with the audience you're targeting.

      In short, if you're a phoney, they'll see right through you.

      - James.
      Passion=profits is what I tell people and customers...if you love what you do you'll never work a day in your life.

      Random niches are great and I know a few people (some dear friends) who like it...but it honestly hasn't worked for me since I'm a "super focused on what I like" kind of person.

      The detachment for niches you don't care about is really difficult for me...

      If I'm not excited, I simply won't do it and that's the bottom line really...

      Thanks for posting...

      Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
        Originally Posted by KansasDragon View Post

        Hmmmmm....

        But what about the simple fact I may not be interested in vintage Mustangs today, but if I started researching, learning, and working in the niche, I may very well become addicted to the topic.

        Just because you do not like a topic today, does not mean you won't once you start learning about it. I'd say you must have at least some interest, not necessarily already like, or be passionate about it.
        That's a valid point too...I guess I was thinking when I wrote my OP about the medium to long term (not the first 6 months or so) about a niche.

        I've tried a lot of stuff and some of my "hobby" interests really haven't worked for me...that's just my deal though.

        You can become more interested in something after reading it. One trick that I like to do is involve my hobbies somehow with internet marketing.

        For example, I just created a $1 WSO about saving time. I love the topic since I run a deli and thus need to maximize every minute. I converted a lot of customers and made a slight profit.

        Hobby+ IM= Customers in IM+ some money

        Cheers,

        Brad

        Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

        NO... you don't

        My passion is for the problem solving, the solution finding... not the niche itself.

        I've never much liked weddings, but I've killed in those niches for years...

        My passion also lies in the bottom line $$$$ ... but that's the hunter in me that is providing a luxurious life for my family, without emotion getting in the way

        Having said that... the above only really applies to me, it's only my situation..... other people will act differently, so it is up to them to find out if they can work in a niche without liking it.

        Peace

        Jay
        Jay,

        Always respected you and your ideas. I guess I'm not personally as motivated by raw money as you are. I really love it...don't get me wrong (I got a Finance degree for heavens sake) but I'm also big into lifestyle design. Working on things I don't like has always been difficult. This is a constant struggle that I will probably work on my whole life...but creating products in niches that are fun is the only way to go if anyone reading this is like me.

        If you are numbers driven and passionate "internet carnivore" (which isn't bad at all...I just like creating funny titles) go for Jay's model.

        If you like what you're doing and that's super important...go with my model (I guess)

        Or even better, combine elements of both and create your own model

        Cheers,

        Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Hmmmmm....

    But what about the simple fact I may not be interested in vintage Mustangs today, but if I started researching, learning, and working in the niche, I may very well become addicted to the topic.

    Just because you do not like a topic today, does not mean you won't once you start learning about it. I'd say you must have at least some interest, not necessarily already like, or be passionate about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    NO... you don't

    My passion is for the problem solving, the solution finding... not the niche itself.

    I've never much liked weddings, but I've killed in those niches for years...

    My passion also lies in the bottom line $$$$ ... but that's the hunter in me that is providing a luxurious life for my family, without emotion getting in the way

    Having said that... the above only really applies to me, it's only my situation..... other people will act differently, so it is up to them to find out if they can work in a niche without liking it.

    Peace

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    • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      NO... you don't

      My passion is for the problem solving, the solution finding... not the niche itself.

      I've never much liked weddings, but I've killed in those niches for years...

      My passion also lies in the bottom line $$$$ ... but that's the hunter in me that is providing a luxurious life for my family, without emotion getting in the way

      Having said that... the above only really applies to me, it's only my situation..... other people will act differently, so it is up to them to find out if they can work in a niche without liking it.

      Peace

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
    Originally Posted by cjmo75 View Post

    Not at all. You just have to be a good marketer. That whole "choose something you like" business is BS. If people just stuck to the niches that they loved, nobody would ever make much money.
    So you think there's no merit to the idea that if you're a good marketer then if you combine that with a life long passion you'll make even more?

    I can totally see how people feel liking their niche isn't important. I really can...especially if you're looking at it from a numbers perspective or something like that.

    But let's take PPC affiliate marketing for example (there are many this was the first one to pop into my mind)...if I'm a die hard boater and I go out on every weekend on my boat, drink beers, fish, etc wouldn't I know that market better than someone who's just looking at keyword tools, websites, quantcast and alexa data, etc?

    I almost feel like there's an element of "who knows how to cook better? Emeril Lagasse or the line cook at Olive Garden...

    One has a bleeding passion (or he wouldn't be at the top...) and the other is doing a job...

    It's the little things that passion gives you (wanting to be perfect because you love it versus looking at the ROI of investing more time for a tiny smidgeon of improvement) that allow you to really succeed.

    Of course this is all my opinion and observation but I have a feeling that the guys in the top of our industry (Filsaime, Kern, Pagan, insert favorite guru here) or in the wedding business (David Tuterra gets 150,000 dollars or more for one of his weddings here at Disney World) or cooking (Emeril, Gordon Ramsey, etc) or any other business are more successful because they love it.

    Alas we can disagree...

    Cheers,

    Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author jayaron
    This is exactly the question i was going to ask before i seen your post.
    As a newbie I was thinking of starting in the green energy niche as ive seen some interesting products in this niche.
    I also thought it would be somewhat interesting to learn about and its definitely going to be and increasing market.
    But the truth is i could never see myself getting passionate about the subject, and if im going to start a blog/website about it i could see myself struggling to gather enthusiasm about the subject, and this would probbly be picked up by any potential customers.
    Only thing is i cant think of anything right now that could convert into cash that i am passionate about.:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Erica Leggette
    I agree that we should have some type of interest in the niche we are going into as it would be easier to promote in the niche as well as create a product for it.

    On another note and this is from a person that also search for niches based on profitability, gaining knowledge about niche will in turn supplement your lack of initial interest. The more you know, the more you can do, so research can at anytime create an interest in a subject that we had no interest in beforehand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Magic Johnson
    People fail because they don't have the skills to code, programming or designing what they want. They don't plan, and expect money to fall from the sky, No?

    Smart people, hire out, or they learn all the basics and some more. Of course if you are passionated about your niche, it's even better. But do Oil moguls like oil? Do car resellers drive their own cars? Do McDonalds employees eat only burgers?

    There's no reason to fall for worn out myths. I started affiliate marketing in 2001. Have I made my millions, **** no!

    But I know good advice from poor.
    Take the "Loving your niche" with a grain of salt.

    It's like saying, "Loving your people" - to have friendships.

    Originally Posted by Brad Spencer View Post

    I think that one of the biggest reasons people "fail" at online business is because they don't like what they're doing.
    "Clichés" which hold people back for earning real money.

    The only question you have to ask yourself, is: Do you want money?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by cjmo75 View Post

      Not at all. You just have to be a good marketer. That whole "choose something you like" business is BS. If people just stuck to the niches that they loved, nobody would ever make much money.
      With all due respect, this is a confused notion.

      If you follow the principle of "choose something you're interested in", and you fail miserably and don't get much traffic or sales...then it's not the advice that doesn't work, it's what you CHOOSE.

      For example, if I chose underwater origami because I liked it, I probably won't make much money.

      If you chose getting six pack abs/weight loss, you probably will make money (if you're marketing right of course).

      The idea that if people just stick to what they loved means they won't make money is simply not true...it depends solely on the niche.

      @Jay - Different horses for different courses I suppose mate. I can't be driven by money that way. I have to really understand it, be vaguely interested in it, etc. I'm not saying you MUST be the same, it's just whatever floats your boat.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by Nick Brighton View Post


        @Jay - Different horses for different courses I suppose mate. I can't be driven by money that way. I have to really understand it, be vaguely interested in it, etc. I'm not saying you MUST be the same, it's just whatever floats your boat.
        Agreed

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        • Profile picture of the author fated82
          You don't need to fall in love with your niche to do it well...You must think about niche building as a business, not a hobby because hobby don't make money.

          So as a business, I don't have to love the topic, I just need to love marketing and figure out how I can minimize my effort for maximize profit. Of coz, having said that, I do need to have a basic understanding of what my target audience want and need and try to give it to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
      The short answer is no you don't have to like your niche to be good and make money at it. I think this argument, more than a confused notion if anything, stems from most newbies being encouraged to write about something they're passionate about because it's just easier to get started that way. This is obviously good advice but it also leads many to go straight to that graveyard in the sky, also known as the make money online niche.

      It also begs the question - do you consider IM a business or a hobby? If you're looking at it from the perspective of just wanting to write about what you enjoy then that will limit you to just a few niches unless you outsource. Although they may be very profitable niches.

      Then there is the perspective of a businessman like many marketers here who will consider all sorts of niches and evaluate them based on how feasible and profitable they are based on research. Then they will either do all the research necessary to learn that market or outsource the content and any other parts they can't do.

      This is one of the main benefits of being an internet marketer. We have unlimited options as to the number and type of niches we enter. If you find a niche that looks fantastic, the question 'do I like this niche?' doesn't have to enter the equation in your decision of whether to try and make money in it.

      I have only worked in 3 or 4 niches so far but I imagine the experience of working in a wide variety of niches can only benefit you in the long run.

      When looking at different niches then, instead of asking yourself 'Do I like this niche? a smarter question to ask will always be 'Can I make money in this niche?'
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      • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
        Originally Posted by YOUniversityLife View Post


        When looking at different niches then, instead of asking yourself 'Do I like this niche? a smarter question to ask will always be 'Can I make money in this niche?'
        The only issue with this in regards to new marketers who don't have the discipline and the full tool belt to make money online is that if they are learning internet marketing in a niche that they don't care for then they won't keep at it long enough.

        It's easy for us experienced guys to be able to enter a new niche, find out what the problems in the niche are, where the buyers hang out, what converts, what doesn't, how to email market to these audiences, etc but for someone who knows how to article market and barely knows what a squeeze page is...making them work in a niche they don't like isn't goin to get them to stick around long enough.

        So I guess it all depends on your experience level.

        Cheers,

        Brad
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      • Profile picture of the author Geoff A
        Originally Posted by YOUniversityLife View Post


        When looking at different niches then, instead of asking yourself 'Do I like this niche? a smarter question to ask will always be 'Can I make money in this niche?'

        Great answer. I think the most important thing is that you enjoy IM. That is, the process of IM. I have met so many people in business in general who love their niche - but don't enjoy the process of business i.e sales and marketing etc. Doesn't work very well.

        Some people love their niche, some don't. But to be successful it seems you do need to enjoy the business process.
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  • Profile picture of the author maos
    I think no you don't! but I haven't tried niche blogging can someone help me with this? hehe
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
    Maybe it's more about understanding it rather thank "liking it"...
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    I would say...

    Depending on your business model


    If you are doing Adsense or CPA, perhaps it's near impossible to work on a niche that you like.

    For example, will you find a CPA offer for scrapbooking if that is your interest?

    If your business model is list building, salespage or portal, then I believe that interest would be important.
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    • Profile picture of the author DeonKrey
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      I would say...

      Depending on your business model


      If you are doing Adsense or CPA, perhaps it's near impossible to work on a niche that you like.

      For example, will you find a CPA offer for scrapbooking if that is your interest?

      If your business model is list building, salespage or portal, then I believe that interest would be important.
      I have to agree with this. Sometimes, making money isn't all about having full passion in it but also having the guts to actually learn this different kind of stuff that you want to profit on depending on what's the "earning" side of the market and then suddenly enjoying the thrill in it. I believe that passion is such a powerful tool but adding an extra practicality in it, it can also bring money way better.

      Why don't we combine them? We can either outsource the niche that we're not good at and still retain the market that we're interested the most. That way, we're not going to lose and regret with any and will be able to make profit on both sides.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrs S
    I think being passionate about your niche certainly helps to keep you motivated. It's much easier to create products and drive traffic when you have a personal interest. That said I don't think you necessarily have to be an expert already - a great niche to get into is one that you wish you knew more about.
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    • Profile picture of the author patey88
      The first niche I picked was something I'd been interested in all my life. Subscribed to every magazine, kept back issues for decades, bought expensive books, etc.

      Starting a blog about it ruined it for me. It became work, not pleasure. Within a few months I was so turned off I just walked away from it. From the blog, and from everything to do with it in real life. Let all my subscriptions lapse. It's been over a year and I'm still bitter. Still thinking about getting rid of everything I own related to the niche.

      I guess I have issues.

      Lesson learned: I will never again try to make money out of something I care about.

      Patey88
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      • Profile picture of the author glassextreme
        Originally Posted by patey88 View Post

        The first niche I picked was something I'd been interested in all my life. Subscribed to every magazine, kept back issues for decades, bought expensive books, etc.

        Starting a blog about it ruined it for me. It became work, not pleasure. Within a few months I was so turned off I just walked away from it. From the blog, and from everything to do with it in real life. Let all my subscriptions lapse. It's been over a year and I'm still bitter. Still thinking about getting rid of everything I own related to the niche.

        I guess I have issues.

        Lesson learned: I will never again try to make money out of something I care about.

        Patey88
        Hi Patey88, I faced the same problem with my favourite topic, money. I was told to start a blog, and I went with that. I was so excited about it, I went to subscribe to financial magazines, newspapers, read all the stocks and shares, went to attend trade shows (and got burnt by one investment company that was scammed) and so on.

        I wrote blogs, had a lot of comments, started to earn some money from ads.

        It worked for about a year or so, when I suddenly felt that it had become work instead of my passion, and I even stopped investing myself totally. I couldn't bring myself to write anymore on that topic.

        Now, I just leave the blog as it is, and moved on to other stuff that I am not super interested in, but able to learn enough quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Geoff A
        Originally Posted by patey88 View Post

        The first niche I picked was something I'd been interested in all my life. Subscribed to every magazine, kept back issues for decades, bought expensive books, etc.

        Starting a blog about it ruined it for me. It became work, not pleasure. Within a few months I was so turned off I just walked away from it. From the blog, and from everything to do with it in real life. Let all my subscriptions lapse. It's been over a year and I'm still bitter. Still thinking about getting rid of everything I own related to the niche.

        I guess I have issues.

        Lesson learned: I will never again try to make money out of something I care about.

        Patey88
        this is really interesting - Patey did you actually like blogging itself? Wonder why it became like work for you? cheers Geoff
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        • Profile picture of the author patey88
          Originally Posted by Geoff A View Post

          this is really interesting - Patey did you actually like blogging itself? Wonder why it became like work for you? cheers Geoff
          No, I think I've learned that blogging is not for me. The niche had a large, dominant community of bloggers, all on each others' blogrolls, and I came to feel like my blog posts were addressing these individuals, instead of anonymous strangers. But I didn't want to be part of a community. I didn't feel like I had anything in common with the others, except my interest in the topic. My interest was kind of academic, while theirs was hands-on, so I felt I had no credentials.

          Honestly, I'm not even sure IM is for me. I have an aversion to intruding in other people's space, and I'm not willing to leave my comfort zone, so I don't know how successful I can be, considering what it takes to build backlinks in order to build traffic. Until now, I haven't even stepped into a forum environment since usenet in the 90s. Baby steps. But no more blogging, at least not where there's a community.
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  • I think this is a rather ambiguous question. It is a matter of personal reflection. I think most IMers probably start out because of necessity and not particularly because they love it. Once they start seeing results they probably do get to love it or at least enjoy it. At least that is what happened with my husband.

    In my particular case, I love writing, I have been a Journalist for over ten years and I started freelancing out of need in order to make ends meet. But truth is I love to write.
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    I think more important than liking your niche, you need to know your niche inside and out.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanyG
    Yes you do.

    I entered a niche that I am no longer passionate about. The first year and a half was fine and dandy but now I want out.

    As most successful business people will attest to, it takes years to grow your business to success. And what I have found is that I need to be passionate about what I am doing and really love it, otherwise I won't be able to pour my heart and soul into the business for the few years that it takes!
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    • Profile picture of the author Massagee
      With a niche I'm not interested in I try to just set up something that won't require much maintenance.
      When I have to add content I just outsource it (to the wife... )

      For the ones I'm passionate about I'll be creating products, blogging, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Yea, and you can also have a passion for doing something
    where there isn't much of a market...

    does it make sense than, to go into that "unprofitable niche"?
    What...because you LOVE it?

    I'm in the business of solving problems, and solving peoples
    problems is what puts a smile on my face (and money in the
    bank like clockwork).

    Does it help if what your doing your madly in love with? absolutely.

    Is it necessary? absolutely not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      For me it is important. I'm not just driven by money. I'm an entrepreneur so I can do what I like to do, not what I have to do. As long as my business pulls in enough cash so we can travel and eat at good restaurants, I'm happy. That allows me to pursue things I like.

      However, do you have to like it? Not really. I just believe that it helps. Really, it depends on your own personality too. Some people can do stuff they don't like, as long as there's money in it. as for being good at it, you don't have to like it to be good. You can study and train to be good. Or outsource it even.
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  • Profile picture of the author shabit87
    Nope, I love math, but you wouldn't see me being a math teacher anytime soon or taking it up as a major.

    I do believe that it is easier and you will be more successful working a field of interest, but I don't feel you have to like it to be good at it.
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    • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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      I think many warriors are in niches they have just a small amount of interest in, but they are just in it as they have mastered marketing and know that money can be made in that niche!
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  • Profile picture of the author BrainCopy
    I agree 100%

    I've gotten bored with niches after just a couple of weeks!
    In my opinion you should at least do something that you
    find interesting and actually enjoy.

    Great thread
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    In a word: Personality.

    Some people know their 'job' and others are driven differently.

    I can live with doing something i don't like doing for a season. Then when I can, i move on to the next step.

    I am definitely not a fan of Basketball. If it went away today, I couldn't care less. But if I believed that spending a month or two setting up a site that would give me a large residual income, I would not have a problem doing it. However, if I had to spend 3 months starving while I built the site, I might get a bit discouraged.

    I think my weakness might be if I find a niche i like too much, I might not want to leave it long enough to create additional streams of income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    Yes I think if you know you niche inside out it is much easier to produce content and you don't have to do a lot of research before you write.

    However, if you are prepared to do your research, you can make good money of of a niche that before you did your research - you knew little or nothing about. I know someone that every time he tries a new niche - he writes it under a pseudonym because he is quite a well know IM marketer. He just does other niches for the challenge and the fun of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author BPozzobon
      Hey Brad,

      Enjoyed reading your post.

      I believe that if you love something and enjoy it bad enough to actually want to become a success in what you love, then the success will come natural and you know what you are talking about. If you do not love something and do not enjoy it, how could you be successful at it let alone know 150% of what you are talking about to market it?

      That's just my piece of mind.

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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by Brad Spencer View Post

    My answer to this question is...yes you do.
    My answer is no, you don't.

    You can take a publisher, producer, investor or advertiser role and do just as well.

    For example...

    Norman Ridker, the publisher of many pet related magazines isn't an expert at every type of pet his company publishes a magazine about but he knows how to hire talent that does.

    Simon Fuller isn't a singer but he knows how to produce talent.

    Warren Buffet isn't good at the core details of the businesses he owns but he knows how to invest in companies.

    Arte Moreno, who ran Outdoor Systems, didn't know that much about the businesses he was advertising on his billboards but he knew advertising and made enough from it to buy a Major League Baseball team.

    Now, you could say that the real niche for these highly successful people was in business, and that would be right. But, if they held back their business because they had assumed they had to be good (or passionate) about particular niche to work their business magic, their life stories would be different.
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  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    I personally agree that you should really love what you are doing. This will lead you to success. However, its not just all about love or like.. hardwork and patience is also needed. There will be times that no matter how you love your passion, it will pissed you, get you irritated, impatient and other negative feelings. You need to make yourself motivated all the time and keep your heads up to make all things worthwhile.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      NO... you don't

      My passion is for the problem solving, the solution finding... not the niche itself.

      I've never much liked weddings, but I've killed in those niches for years...

      My passion also lies in the bottom line $$$$ ... but that's the hunter in me that is providing a luxurious life for my family, without emotion getting in the way

      Having said that... the above only really applies to me, it's only my situation..... other people will act differently, so it is up to them to find out if they can work in a niche without liking it.

      Peace

      Jay
      Actually Jay, it applies to all astute IMer's! When I get into a niche, I perform my due diligence to understand the market. I drill down all the way to the color schemes and layouts that are most appealing to that particular group of individuals.

      Then I press my outsource buttons for content and graphics; While that's going on - I'm engaging in OBT Obtaining Tactical Backlinks! What do I know about the niche(s)? Nothing, expect what the numbers tell me.

      I have food sites related to foods I don't eat and I could go one and on. But the people who write for me... those men and women know their stuff!

      Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

      My answer is no, you don't.

      You can take a publisher, producer, investor or advertiser role and do just as well.

      For example...

      Norman Ridker, the publisher of many pet related magazines isn't an expert at every type of pet his company publishes a magazine about but he knows how to hire talent that does.

      Simon Fuller isn't a singer but he knows how to produce talent.

      Warren Buffet isn't good at the core details of the businesses he owns but he knows how to invest in companies.

      Arte Moreno, who ran Outdoor Systems, didn't know that much about the businesses he was advertising on his billboards but he knew advertising and made enough from it to buy a Major League Baseball team.

      Now, you could say that the real niche for these highly successful people was in business, and that would be right. But, if they held back their business because they had assumed they had to be good (or passionate) about particular niche to work their business magic, their life stories would be different.
      There's wisdom in those words... thanks bgmacaw , you nailed it!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        There is no one answer to this question that is going to apply to everybody
        because we are all individuals.

        When I look back at all the things I've done in my life to earn a living, it's
        amazing that I've been able to pull them all off...even if I didn't have a real
        love for each one.

        Computer Programmer
        QA Technician
        Computer Teacher
        Fire Estinguisher Salesman (don't laugh)
        Environmentally Safe Products Salesman
        File Clerk
        Data Entry Worker
        Assembly Line Worker
        Employment Recruiter
        Networking Consultant In Automated Shoe Packing Assembly Line Plant
        Neighborhood Patrol Under City Police Supervision (don't ask)

        And there were some other odd jobs that I've one in my life.

        Whether I liked them, loved them or hated them, I learned what I had to
        learn and did them as best as I could.

        My most hated job EVER...I kept for almost 10 years.

        That's how good I was at it.

        Of course after almost 10 years I couldn't take it anymore, had a nervous
        breakdown and quit. But that's besides the point.

        Sure, does it help to enjoy what you do? I'd like to think that we don't live
        in a world filled with masochists who will do anything just for a buck...no
        matter how much they hate it.

        But who knows? Like I said, everybody is different so I can only speak for
        myself.

        Do I prefer to do something I enjoy? Sure.

        But if I could so something, even if I had to do it for just a year, that
        would put 7 figures in the bank that year, I'd find a way to do it and
        not hate it to the point where I wanted to slit my throat.

        I guess it all depends on what your motivation is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaspry
    I personally believe that enjoying what you are doing will make you much more successful at it. By having a passion/drive in your business, you'll not deal with boredom or impatience like others deal with. You'll have a personal edge over your less-motivated competitors.

    In my current niche, I am far behind my page-one competitors ranking for my specific keyword. However, I know that they are less involved in what they are doing, less passionate, and less driven. When I eventually meet their PR and Backlink level, I'll be able to keep going whereas they are probably very tired promoting a website they have no interest in.

    My passion also drives me to provide unique, educated and intriguing content. Visitors will know my superiority instantly, which will turn into greater involvement and eventually sales and profit!
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  • Profile picture of the author Flint
    I have always had success with dealing with niches that I had interest in. Dealing with niches that bored me prevented me from going the extra mile to make the marketing campaign successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
    No

    In my opinion I do not think you have to like your niche to be successful. You have to pick a niche that has a proven history of buyers that are desperate to solve problems and an industry that contains multiple products that you can market to your buyers.

    I would rather choose an industry like that than come up with some idealized pie in the sky idea that has no market and no buyers but I'm very passionate about.
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  • Profile picture of the author urbrock
    This is great, I JUST posted a video about this exact topic on You tube like 30 seconds ago. My take is that it isn`t a pre requisite, but it sure helps you keep going when you face the inevitable obstacles along the way. AND it just makes it a whole lot more fun if you enjoy the niche you are working in. I chose to work for myself so I could choose when, where and WHAT I work on. Here`s the video I made if you want to check it out:
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  • Profile picture of the author ausslite
    Flint i definitely agree but if i can find unknown niche then once i study it out and learn about it more it becomes something i enjoy.

    if i am neutral at onset i will be fine but to be board or dread the niche right off the bat then move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb D Miller
    It seems that when you have a passion or at least experience in your niche, you don't have to spend as much time figuring out and UNDERSTANDING the fears and fantasies of your audience.

    If you're trying to help people get out of debt, your words will be more emotional and powerful if you've had a lot of debt yourself and had to figure out how to get out of it. You will have a story, etc.

    I think you have to have some sort of story to go along with your marketing. Personal stories are great (don't make them up, don't say things about your experience that aren't true), but using analogies and stories are just generally super effective.

    Your stories aren't going to have much emotion in them if you don't really like your niche very much. IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Originally Posted by Matt Green View Post

    In short: No... But it does help if you love what you are doing...
    The two factors in this debate, aren't mutually exclusive.

    Just because I don't "love" the niche(s) in question, it doesn't mean I don't love what I'm doing...

    My lifestyle makes me a very happy man. 16 hour days are a breeze for me, when I need to do them... albeit rarely

    Why?

    Because I love doing what I do.

    But I still can't remember the last time I made money from a niche I am a fan of... too many emotions for me in football and formula 1

    Much prefer making money in niches that I can look at objectively.

    Peace

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      The two factors in this debate, aren't mutually exclusive.

      Just because I don't "love" the niche(s) in question, it doesn't mean I don't love what I'm doing...

      My lifestyle makes me a very happy man. 16 hour days are a breeze for me, when I need to do them... albeit rarely

      Why?

      Because I love doing what I do.

      But I still can't remember the last time I made money from a niche I am a fan of... too many emotions for me in football and formula 1

      Much prefer making money in niches that I can look at objectively.

      Peace

      Jay
      Jay, the reality is, you are going against the thinking that has been pushed upon and ingrained into entire legions of Internet Marketers since the MMO niche exploded. The MMO gurus have been preaching and teaching to their followers to avoid niches they are not versed in or good at.

      These followers in turn only seek out said niches and they literally swear by this rule. IMers like yourself are the exception to that rule.

      And the followers of this said rule have so much proof that no matter what you or anyone else says, they are not going to relent! Just last week, I found a LUCRATIVE niche I know absolutely nothing about.

      After performing my keyword research, backlink research, competitors PR research, SEO optimization research and overall SOC research, I knew that I had a winner!

      I checked the URLs and the .com was taken as well as the .org, .biz and all of the other extensions. It just so happened that the day that I found that niche, the .net had recently become available. Of course I snatched it up immediately!

      But something came up during my investigative research that literally shocked me. The gentleman who bought the .com, was now dumping all of his domains. :confused:

      And may I say, "He has some HOT winners!" But he's dumping them all because he is now convinced that he made a huge mistake in getting involved in niches he didn't like and had no experience in. He learned that from reading a zippin ebook from one of those blood sucking, you'll make a million dollars in sixty days following my program gurus.

      Upon further investigation, he followed the advice of another guru and launched all of his sites with a plug, play and walk away MMO system. Supposedly, once he put in the keywords and uploaded the script to his server, he was going to become RICH on auto pilot income. Of course, it didn't work out that way and now he has become another adamant believer in only getting into niches that you like and/or know.

      He believed the guru who sold him that MMO plug and play system with such conviction that he can't see that IT IS what has prevented him from actually making money online. I checked, and none of his sites had any backlinks and some weren't indexed after being launched for months. But I digress

      In the mean time, I've taken the .net built a one page site, got it indexed and put in on my OTB program. It will be on the 1st page on the Big G in another two to three weeks.

      Do I know anything about the niche? NADA!

      Do I like the niche? NADA! IMHO it sucks! It deals with medicine and needles and other medical, doctor and hospital stuff.

      Am I going to dominate that niche now that I found It? YES! I am going to own it! I'll be purchasing the .com from this gentlemen in about two months. I'm waiting because he's getting closer to the domain expiring and that time constraint provides me with crucial negotiating leverage. He's got too many domain names coming up for renewal to haggle prices on any offers.

      So the question is, "Do You Have To Like Your Niche To Be Good At It?" The answer is, "NO!"

      A seasoned experienced Internet Marketer can take ANY niche and master it!
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