You all make it sound so easy - but after more then a year of failure I am about to quit IM!

by vivax
205 replies
I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

In short here's what I did:

- 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
- 5 amazon product blogs
- over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
- on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
- review blogs for IM product launches
- yahoo answers
- forums with links
- document uploads
- videos
- own clickbank product (4 sales)
- article submission with article bot
- feed submission with rss bot
- press releases
- ppv for email/zip CPA offers
- ppc, adwords and clicksor
- advertising on buysell ads
- all the social bookmarking
- squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

any suggestions?
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  • What made you think this was easy? this is a business, and running a business successfully is NOT easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      How much traffic are you getting to your blogs/sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrs S
    I think you're trying to do too much at once. I'd suggest that you pick the one site that has earned you the most money (doesn't matter how little that might be) and just focus all your efforts on that one site for a few months. It looks like you know how to drive traffic so keep that up, but send it all to that one site. Then you should be able to increase numbers to the point that you can optimise the content and the monetisation to start brining in the $$.

    Don't quit just yet!
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  • Profile picture of the author innocent07
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    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    $600 is still better than nothing, Keep at it, it all takes momentum.

    Is your URL that the traffic pointing to designed well, and converting well? That might be a problem perhaps ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    If you did all that and were pointing it all at just one site - it would have a LOT more traffic. You've probably just diversified your efforts too much and not stayed focused on one thing for long enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author jmcg084
      It sounds like you have far too many sites to focus on Vivax.

      I suggest that you pick your best performing niche/site, (the one that gets the most visitors) and put all of your efforts into that.

      I think what you have done is build a lot of links overall back to your sites, but they are very finely spread, you need to consolidate these links on just one site, this will improve its rankings at the engines, and your web presence.

      Don't worry about monetizing until you have that traffic. Also make sure you have done adequeate research on your target audience, you may not be hitting their buttons hard enough.

      This may mean adjusting your approach/content a little.

      Try these changes, and let me know how you get on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tomwood
    Take a break for a few weeks then come back to it you're be surprised what a break will do
    If it's any consolation I spent well over a year in IM before I saw any profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zack Lim
    As one of the warrior has mention, I feel that you are doing too many projects at the same time. Creating more websites does not mean that the income will increase.

    Focus on one project first and understand the whole cycle on marketing it successfully. Once you understand the whole marketing plan, you will just need to duplicate it to your other project.

    If you are tight on budget, you can try article marketing to drive consistent targeted traffic back to your website. Chris Knight has mention a quote about article marketing:

    "Article marketing is a bit like running a marathon. A steady pace will create better results than sprinting followed by inactivity."

    Don't give up as I think you can definitely overcome this obstacle

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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    The good thing is you seem to already know a lot.

    ( When i started out it took me about year to see my first penny, but that was due to that i didn't know anything about IM )

    * Yes, Traffic is important. I am a little puzzled that you dont get at least SOME traffic eg. from article marketing. Maybe you simply chose the wrong niche and keywords.

    In my own testing i simply see that some products SELL, and some others DON'T regardless of what people say. Failures/Duds are always to be expect, they are part of the learning.

    I GUESS that one problem of you might be you are lacking a bit in keyword research - it is indeed possible to research a market beforehand and get an IDEA about traffic to expect and whether you can rank a site/blog in Google.

    Make a site about insurance, weight loss, acne, **** berry etc...you will have a HELL of a time to get traffic since it will be extremely hard to rank this due to extreme competition.

    Use a tool like Micro Niche finder or Market Samurai, sit back and learn how to use them if you don't do this yet. Choose SMALLER niches, research keywords (article titles) etc..etc.. heck, even chose MICRO niches with extremely targeted keywords and relatively little searches..and establish some blogs here.

    Analyze your past attempts, eg. your articles. Do they receive traffic? What clickouts are you getting? if they receive traffic and no one buys, simply drop the product and choose something else. As said, SOME stuff is simply duds and people dont buy.

    As for traffic in general, for long term and SOLID traffic..learn as much on SEO as you can. Dont go for mainstream stuff, but once you get a smaller niche site up you will get traffic. Just be consistent and use the tools/software available, in particular keyword/market research.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMagicShow
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    Nothing easy about IM! This is just like a real job/business, without a plan and hard work comes failure. People want that success, with a push of a button. It takes lots of time, and determination to make it in this business.

    You seem to have done way too many things, instead focus on 1 or 2 of those elements and make your money there. You have take action, but your plans were never set. If you need more help, possibly seek a mentor or attend some marketing seminars and possibly form a group/network/mastermind.

    As I said lastnight, this business is not cut-out for everyone, good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerdrun
    Did you join the Wealthy Affiliate or some **** site like that?

    From what I see, you've suffered from information overload. $50 a day is very doable with the time you have if you focus on one thing at a time.

    Just purchase a .info domain.
    Choose a CB product in an ever green niche redirect it
    ANd write articles pointing to that domain.

    Keep writing until you crack...

    This is something you should read if you want success:

    How Focus Changed My Life Welcome to Dave's IM Club

    Quitting is not the option.
    "Our lives begin to end the day when we become silent about things that manner".

    You've invested a lot into this. Don't leave it now. Stick it out and come out successful. Do all it takes.

    Life is a storm. One moment, you'll bask in the sunlight, the other moment you'll be shattered down the stream. What makes you a man is when that storm comes, you have to look in it's eyes and say "Do your worst". For I will do mine.

    At that moment fate will fear you and start respecting and obeying you...
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    • Profile picture of the author BigRichLane
      Originally Posted by tylerdrun View Post

      Did you join the Wealthy Affiliate or some **** site like that?

      From what I see, you've suffered from information overload. $50 a day is very doable with the time you have if you focus on one thing at a time.
      Ha thats awesome, that is exactly what I did when I first got into IM and look where I ended up.... THE WARRIOR FORUM!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    You know, having a ton of sites isn't the only way to make money. I was earning enough from one site to quit ,y job and just work for myself long before I ever thought about building more sites. If you focused all your efforts on building an authority style content site and focused all your traffic tactics on that one site, you might be able to earn money from it in several different ways.

    On my main content site I earn money from my own product sales, from affiliate sales, from selling ad space, from Google Adsense, and from product reviews. And that's not even counting the sales I make from the mailing list I've built from that content site.

    You might give that a try. Pick something you've already made money at, that you know a lot about, that you want to learn more about, and become the biggest expert on that topic that you can and I'll bet you start earning a lot more money.
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  • For newbies I always recommend to start off with one quality site rather than a myriad of tiny niche mini-sites. It's best to focus on one thing at the beginning and to grow from there.
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    You are spreading yourself too thin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
    I was made redundant a few years ago and I spent a whole year full time 14 hour days 7 days a week. I made nothing at all for that whole year and decided that I had to take a job again. At the exact same time that I started the job I started to make IM profit. Small at first but it grew. 18 months later I was full time IM again making a living.

    It's just a matter of finding what works for you and there is no way of knowing how long it will take to find it. Keep going and follow the advice here. It will work sooner or later.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yoel Cohen
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    That's quite a lot!

    I mean you put up a lot of content and didn't make the moneys worth.

    Here's what I think. First of all, you don't always need traffic to make make money.

    There are plenty of ways (I know at least 3 ways of making money online without traffic).

    Since you write so much (I am under the impression your content is good) you can make a great income by creating PLR articles and posting them on the WSO section of this very forum.

    But, if you want to stick to niche marketing, then you must get traffic and traffic is all about being effective.

    I mean, you can blast the internet with 100's of articles (that's what I did when I started out) and see no results. While someone else creates one article and gets 50 unique visitors per day.

    The idea is to know what you're doing, when it comes to market research, keyword research, and promotion.

    I hope this helps.

    Whatever you do, don't give up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander CPA
    Looking at all of that, you never stuck to anything, pick something, stick to it, make it work, $50.00/day isn't that hard, infact it's 1/2 affiliate sales, think about it that way, you've got 8 hours to make 2 sales, 1 sale every 4 hours. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?
    I also spend at least 8 hours everyday beside my day job when I started.

    Yes, it's not easy, who told you that it's easy? Bust that fellow!

    But, you are at the right direction, just fine-tune by focusing on one income model, and you'll see money.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    From looking at your list I get the impression that you are all over the map and possibly a flavor of the month IMer.

    Pick a strategy / method and stick with it.


    For me, it's all about backlinks and onsite SEO. I've never submitted an article or press release, created a video, created my own product or most of the other stuff on your list, I don't even have a mailing list. I pick a keyword and backlink the crap out of my sites until they are ranking and drawing traffic. Then I hope my visitors buy something.

    Not saying it's the best method but it's simple and works for me.

    You need to find your own system, stick with it and work it hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author thebitbotdotcom
    You are spread way to thin friend. Focus on what you have found to work and build inroads to your site via links.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    and no, its not "easy" by any means!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      The secret is in residual income.

      Meaning you've got to find a way to make every penny you receive turn into a monthly penny.

      Otherwise you're barking up the wrong tree.

      I would start out by finding out what you're really good at or can see yourself happily doing then get a good marketing book and follow along with it until it creates residual income.

      For example, you said you sold your own CB product and built your own blogs.

      That makes me believe you can do these things.

      People want people who can do these things too and as mentioned by a top guy in the business marketing field.

      You can have what you want by helping others.

      You just gotta find out what that is while ensuring you execute it to perfection so that it pays you over and over again.

      I hope that makes sense to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author theverysmartguy
      First off, yes, you are definitely all over the board. And it is hard to focus that way.

      What you need to do (like some people have already said) is take 1 plan THAT WORKS, and work the heck out of it until it is making you money.

      I noticed that you were building niche sites, this can be part of a plan, add some traffic generation, and proper keyword research into that, and you have yourself a pretty workable plan.

      However, how you build these niche sites is very important:

      - you should present on offer before the fold
      - have a very strong call to action after the content
      (these are just 2 simple ways of doing it...there are others, these are just examples)

      And if you are using the proper buyer keywords for that niche, and are presenting them with a product that is going to help them out, then there shouldn't be a problem.

      You mentioned that you are getting 50 hits a day per site. That isn't that bad actually. Of course all that traffic is wasted if the site isn't set up properly to inform your visitors of the product you are promoting. And another thing (this goes with keyword research), is to make sure those visitors are laser targeted to the product, if they aren't, they most likely won't buy.

      I think I am starting to ramble, so I will cut this short.

      Don't give up, go back to the sites where you were making money, and tune them up to increase the amount of money they can make for you. And maybe sell of the sites that are not doing so good, or anything at all, this can bring in some extra cash. Just keep the ones that did make you something so you can concentrate on them.

      Anyways, I hope that sheds some light on it all. I could have gone on and on, but I figured that wasn't a good idea.

      I hope you stick with it, and soon find yourself making the money you want.

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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    and no, its not "easy" by any means!!
    but I saw this WSO about a 16 year old who made millions!
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    • Profile picture of the author animal44
      I'm inclined to agree with others - perhaps you've spread yourself too thin...? Otherwise you might be trying too hard and this is coming across as false. There are loads of reviews out there that raise my suspicion meter... Also are you trying in difficult niches? IM for instance...

      I would've thought if you're getting 50 uniques a day, you'd get a sale every other day and with 20 sites, that makes for a reasonable income. Perhaps your copy sucks? Impossible to tell without seeing an example...
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  • Profile picture of the author alexei_aus
    it often sounds harder. what you need to do is follow the system. thats it! forget about creativity and just follow the steps
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  • Profile picture of the author CrispyDuck
    You may be trying to build Rome in a day and spreading yourself out too thin. Its best if you channel your energy to your most successful projects (say 3) and focus on them to do as best as possible. Don't give up just yet! Turn your story around and make it an inspiration to all other Warriors
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Allow me to remove the numbers
      - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
      - 5 amazon product blogs
      - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase

      and rewrite what you did

      Originally Posted by vivax View Post

      - blogs in different niches about clickbank products
      - amazon product blogs
      - articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
      - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
      - review blogs for IM product launches
      - yahoo answers
      - forums with links
      - document uploads
      - videos
      - own clickbank product
      - article submission with article bot
      - feed submission with rss bot
      - press releases
      - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
      - ppc, adwords and clicksor
      - advertising on buysell ads
      - all the social bookmarking
      - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...
      That could be a sales page for a book YOU could write
      about the different methods of getting traffic

      Harvey


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      • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
        - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products

        - 5 amazon product blogs
        :confused: Something is wrong. What are the URLs ?? Are they TLD or sub-directories? Affiliate links you promote? Does the "vendor" do all the work for you? Out of 25, there are no URLs listed anywhere? Start from the back-end, follow the clicks and you'll find the money bags or go to your File Manager after you log into your C-Panel unless you've got one of those fireball package deals?? Or, Windows???

        Who did the coding? Auto Responders? Mailing lists? Free offers? Anything concrete to look at?? Like where are the websites? There's a lot more to building a site than what you see. The back end needs a check-up but again, how can anyone draw any conclusions in the blind???

        This is like taking the baby in for a checkup and telling the doctor all the symptoms -- how would the doctor diagnose a non-existent baby?? Oops, I guess I better go get the little :rolleyes: feller!!
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  • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post



    You all make it sound so easy - but after more then a year of failure I am about to quit IM!


    OK .
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulaC
    We were in the exact same position. We had 20 or so blogs but really weren't making the income we wanted. It definitely wasn't enough to give up work.

    What made the difference was when we focused on just one website and put everything we could into it.

    You're really spreading yourself too thin. My suggestion would be to pick one of your blogs and give it everything you've got. You probably know by now which blog does better than the others so go with that one.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by PaulaC View Post

      What made the difference was when we focused on just one website and put everything we could into it.
      There is a zillion of hops on my Clickbank account, but my income comes from 2, maybe 3 products.

      As for the "16 year old who makes Millions"...he might simply be smart. Its is very, very unlikely that you make money without work. Even if its not physical work...you still need to use your brain Nothing comes from nothing, ESPECIALLY in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    at the end of the day you need a U.S.P. or a U.A.P. Why would people buy from you? Al lthe marketing in the world is no good if people are not compelled to buy from you. It's tough....like all business. You probably fell for a the hype about amknig $10,000+ a monthy whislt sleeping, etc.. In real life it is not like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Focus on one or two integrated methods and go from there.

    You need focus and discipline.
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  • Profile picture of the author Olgi
    You mentioned you stay online like 8 hours per day right? And your goal is 50 usd per day (which is only 6.25 usd / hour)

    So your goal is to reach 6.25 usd / hour and that seems quite possible to me or to any one else.

    Alright I'm being generous and giving you a method which will surely make you a couple of hundreds per week and the response is, Website Flipping!

    Im gonna write a full case study on my blog regarding this topic but until then, I will give you one keyword which will make you a lot of money when you flip the site, Apple iPAD

    People are going crazy over it, a good niche is wallpapers, backgrounds, other downloads for Apple iPad, tutorials and stuff like that. If you work on that site for 8 hours per day for one week, I'm dead sure you could sell it easily at least $300-$500 per month, just believe in yourself, just take action and do it now!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raja Kamil
    hey friends, have you heard "money make money" ?
    I believe you have come across this quote a lot.

    Here what I did when I was in your situation.
    I tried to earn $1 per day. Not $50/day which I know it is almost impossible from nobody and knew nothing.

    After I consistently earn $1 for 2,3 days, my target increased for $2, then $5, then $10 which is realistic.

    Plus, with that money, I invested for more income. I learned this from someone at Malaysia. His quote was " start small finish big".

    With that philosophy in my mind, when I earn $1, I saved it until it become $5.
    With that $5, I continuing what I did before, plus, I invested, all $5 to outsource what I was doing back there. With this, I earn 2 to 3 times from before.

    I continue this, for $10 investment, $50 investment and so on.

    My point here, use the power of outsource. If you want cheap outsource, find somebody from India or China. They are happy with $1 as we happy for $10.
    (Their job also quite good)

    One more thing, focus on selling instead of building blog for adsense, HPK etc.

    Sell others product if you dont have one, ie Affiliate. Or maybe, some MRR/PLR package, and sell it for some pennies :p

    I did this, and was helping more to earn a consistent $1 to $10 per day long time ago.

    If you find competition is very hard, avoid competition, find other market, find other product.

    If you can't, befriend with your competitor. Learn how they do, and you do the same but better.

    And last but not least, don't do things for the sake of money Only. Give value to what you do. Sell things to help others. Write articles, to inform others.

    With that think in your mind, you are on the right track to be successful.

    Be strong, if you want to give up, watch this video first, then up to you.

    You may have watched this video, but please watch it again.
    Thanks,
    Raja Kamil, Malaysia
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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      That Video is not sad like you would think but it really says point blank how happy we CAN CHOOSE to be with what we have, if we have the right mindset and support system in place. Fewer choices are better for some but still...people really CAN do a whole lot more than they give themselves credit for. You have to believe in YOU first then it all comes together. Here's Will's Wisdom for you! Will's Wisdom - Will Smith lives life large.
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      When you make at least $100+ per month, we split the profit 80/20 and YOU get the 80% Until then, you keep 100% and I'll help you drive traffic, get backlinks and put the domain in your name too!
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      • Profile picture of the author Azfi
        DON'T give up. I know IM is not an easy task nowadays. More and more people have joined IM.

        Thomas Edison Quotes

        - I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

        - Many of life's failures are men who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
          I'll go slightly against the grain here. Either give up ... or do something different.

          "Stick at it?" - What will that solve? Nothing.

          "It aint easy?" I guess you're okay with that or you wouldn't have managed what you have done so far.

          "Spreading yourself too thin?" Maybe, but that's not your real problem. If you put all of your efforts into one thing you'll just being doing more wrong on less things.

          Making money follows a very simple rule, you've already heard it...

          Find someone who wants something - offer it to them. As simplisitic, arrogant and cliché as that sounds, that's all there is to it. If you aren't making money then somewhere in that simple formula, you are doing something very wrong. Until you have that figured out, your next 20,000 efforts will produce the same results as your last. I'll say it again. Do something different, or give up.

          You have already answered your own problem. Traffic? You aren't finding the people that want something. Analogy, you have opened a retail park in the middle of a desert. Three choices. 1. Give up. 2. Build roads into the desert (can't beat a corny metaphore ) 3. Abandon your efforts so far and start again, consider it the learning curve.

          My personal opinion. Don't abandon everything yet but leave it all aside and focus on one thing only. Your own product. Why? because you clearly have a problem with understanding how to get traffic - with that in mind, you've sold 4 in one year, that aint bad.

          Don't do anything you have done so far to drive traffic. Look for new ideas or start getting realistic. If you are going for competetive keywords then social bookmarking, article bots, rss bots etc., aint gonna help, you need much more than that.

          Squidoo, EZA etc? You can get traffic form them but if you don't know how to write attention grabbing titles, presell and pick the keywords that will use the article directories to your advantage ... then they aren't going to get you any traffic - and even when they do, you have to still make sure it's the right traffic.

          You don't need to buy a single product to figure it out. Everything you need to know can be found by spending some serious time reading through some of the threads on here. You won't find the answer in a single easy to read post. Listen to everybody, filter out the noise and think hard before blindly doing what everyone considers the norm. The norm isn't working for you, or what you are doing isn't the norm, you just think it is. Ask questions.

          You've done the hard part, the last 5% is just as hard. Once you have that understood, everything else is about refining, i.e., once you got the traffic, is it the right traffic, are you preselling okay, are you offering the right product etc..

          You've come much further than most newbies, don't bail out at the last hurdle - unless you are going to do everything the same as you have done so far. So the advice isn't "stick at it" - it's rethink it! or give up.

          Lee
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          • Profile picture of the author dallas407
            I agree. Persisting at a failing system isn't going to get you anywhere.

            It took me YEARS to make money online but that's because the first few years were following bad advice and doing things that weren't ever going to make money. I was buying 'make money' ebooks where the method of making money their whole book was teaching was how to post ads on FFA sites or free ezine lists advertising their book! (as an affiliate). I posted ads all damn day but never got anywhere.

            Then I continued learning and trying new things and eventually found something that worked. Then just ramped that up.


            Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

            I'll go slightly against the grain here. Either give up ... or do something different.

            "Stick at it?" - What will that solve? Nothing.

            "It aint easy?" I guess you're okay with that or you wouldn't have managed what you have done so far.

            "Spreading yourself too thin?" Maybe, but that's not your real problem. If you put all of your efforts into one thing you'll just being doing more wrong on less things.

            Making money follows a very simple rule, you've already heard it...

            Find someone who wants something - offer it to them. As simplisitic, arrogant and cliché as that sounds, that's all there is to it. If you aren't making money then somewhere in that simple formula, you are doing something very wrong. Until you have that figured out, your next 20,000 efforts will produce the same results as your last. I'll say it again. Do something different, or give up.

            You have already answered your own problem. Traffic? You aren't finding the people that want something. Analogy, you have opened a retail park in the middle of a desert. Three choices. 1. Give up. 2. Build roads into the desert (can't beat a corny metaphore ) 3. Abandon your efforts so far and start again, consider it the learning curve.

            My personal opinion. Don't abandon everything yet but leave it all aside and focus on one thing only. Your own product. Why? because you clearly have a problem with understanding how to get traffic - with that in mind, you've sold 4 in one year, that aint bad.

            Don't do anything you have done so far to drive traffic. Look for new ideas or start getting realistic. If you are going for competetive keywords then social bookmarking, article bots, rss bots etc., aint gonna help, you need much more than that.

            Squidoo, EZA etc? You can get traffic form them but if you don't know how to write attention grabbing titles, presell and pick the keywords that will use the article directories to your advantage ... then they aren't going to get you any traffic - and even when they do, you have to still make sure it's the right traffic.

            You don't need to buy a single product to figure it out. Everything you need to know can be found by spending some serious time reading through some of the threads on here. You won't find the answer in a single easy to read post. Listen to everybody, filter out the noise and think hard before blindly doing what everyone considers the norm. The norm isn't working for you, or what you are doing isn't the norm, you just think it is. Ask questions.

            You've done the hard part, the last 5% is just as hard. Once you have that understood, everything else is about refining, i.e., once you got the traffic, is it the right traffic, are you preselling okay, are you offering the right product etc..

            You've come much further than most newbies, don't bail out at the last hurdle - unless you are going to do everything the same as you have done so far. So the advice isn't "stick at it" - it's rethink it! or give up.

            Lee
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    • Profile picture of the author vivax
      thank you all for your nice words, suggestions, advice and encouragement,
      but this is something I've heard so many times and read all over warrior forum when other people complained about their troubles.. then there was this great new WSO that promised 10000 a month - guaranteed... so I jump and get it, then the next, then the next.. I implement the step by step techniques...
      I've learned a lot, but it is obviously not enough.
      I did all the mentioned techniques for all of my sites, I don't have the budget to outsource anything, so I did it myself and spend a lot of time and energy on that.
      For example, it takes me three days to bookmark just one site to all the social bookmarking sites.. then it takes hours to write articles, make the videos and so on..
      remember, I've been doing it for over a year and nothing happens, so I'm getting pretty tired.
      Maybe I should really take a break.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Right now your mindset is completely working against you.

        If you can't get motivated to move forward maybe you should take a break.

        Life's too short to feel so bad for any reason, especially just about money. We've all been there and the best thing you can do is get busy doing something that does excite you - whatever that is.

        You'll feel better as soon as you start getting on with something different.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raja Kamil
        Originally Posted by vivax View Post

        thank you all for your nice words, suggestions, advice and encouragement,
        but this is something I've heard so many times and read all over warrior forum when other people complained about their troubles.. then there was this great new WSO that promised 10000 a month - guaranteed... so I jump and get it, then the next, then the next.. I implement the step by step techniques...
        I've learned a lot, but it is obviously not enough.
        I did all the mentioned techniques for all of my sites, I don't have the budget to outsource anything, so I did it myself and spend a lot of time and energy on that.
        For example, it takes me three days to bookmark just one site to all the social bookmarking sites.. then it takes hours to write articles, make the videos and so on..
        remember, I've been doing it for over a year and nothing happens, so I'm getting pretty tired.
        Maybe I should really take a break.
        I guess I know what's your problem.
        Here I quoted from yours post.
        then there was this great new WSO that promised 10000 a month - guaranteed... so I jump and get it, then the next, then the next.. I implement the step by step techniques...
        I've learned a lot, but it is obviously not enough.
        I did all the mentioned techniques for all of my sites, I don't have the budget to outsource anything, so I did it myself and spend a lot of time and energy on that.
        I jump and get it = like most of the newbie, when they come to some Over Promised offer, that couldn't help themselves from stop buying, buy and buy and buy.

        Why? because you learned a lot. Which its happen to 50% of us. When we found something promising, we let go what in our hand. We never finish the job. We never learn a thing. Because of learned a lot. You are in a paralysis analysis trouble. Check out, what its mean. Analysis paralysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        I agree with you that want to take a break. Take a break.
        Stop checking emails, unsubscribe from mailing list that promote you a lot then giving you values.

        After few days, come here back. Be a new you. Forget what you have learn before. Be an empty glass. Take the offer from our friends above.
        Maybe you can get something.

        Read his offer again at http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post1955391

        Maybe there will be some catch. But bare with me. STOP spend money on IM.

        Spend for IM when you earn from IM.

        Regards;
        Raja Kamil, Malaysia
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        • Profile picture of the author hblzr1
          Vivax,

          One of the saddest things I've noticed in IM is the lack of basic business knowledge that people have when starting a new business.

          It seems that the cost of entry is so low and the potential to make large dollars quickly makes a person lose touch with reality very easily.

          YOU are not stupid or completely untalented but have proved what is well known in business as the top 2 reasons why businesses fail, lack of a business plan and under capitalization; 78% of businesses fail due to lack of a business plan and 82% fail within the first 2 years due to lack of capital. You violated the axioms and paid the price.

          As previous posters have pointed out you didn't have a plan so you implemented so many strategies but never became proficient with even one. How could you succeed? I believe it was Alexander Hamilton who said, "Those Who Stand For Nothing, Fall For Anything" and that was over 200 years ago.

          Chasing all those rainbows caused you to deplete the valuable capital you could have used to invest in one viable business model. You tried to compensate with human capital (yourself) but you depleted that too by burning yourself out.

          If you are a dilettante, you quit now cut your losses and leave. However, if you are a business person you regroup and persevere as others have suggested.

          I will recap previous posts. You need to revitalize yourself so take a step back, reassess and take a break. Sell your virtual real estate and recapitalize your business. You have gained a years worth of knowledge if not more; use it to invest in one business, apply all that you've learned and work the hell out of it.

          All the success to you,
          -h

          P.S. Getting a coach/ mentor wouldn't hurt either.
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      • Profile picture of the author TammieJJ
        Everyone is right about focusing on one site/method which works for you. Find that one thing (and make sure you love doing it) and work on that one area. Learn what you need to learn to make that area work, and avoid (even force yourself if necessary) everything else. Read only those things that directly apply to your one area, and then put what you have read into practice.

        Focus. Action. Persistence.

        That is the real key to making money online (or anywhere else).
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          First of all, this isn't easy. So get that misconception out of your mind. This
          is work...just like anything else in life.

          Second of all, you're all over the place. You're spread too thin and trying to
          do too much in too many areas. In other words, your business model sucks.

          Third of all, your mindset is defeatist. You're not going to succeed thinking
          like you do.

          Here's my advice for what it's worth.

          Get a mentor. If you have to take out a loan to do it, do it. Thoroughly
          research the person BEFORE you agree to hire them. There are a lot of
          scam artists online who don't know sh*t but pretend they do.

          Get references from people.

          Finally, commit yourself to whatever you decide to do 100%. You have to
          treat this like your life depends on it. You have to make it your soul focus.

          It has to become your life.

          I am speaking from my own experience going from a total failure at this
          to what I have become today.

          Some people can make this work taking a casual attitude and barely
          working up a sweat. But many have to spit blood to get things going.

          I was one of those people.

          Ultimately, YOU will be the one to decide whether or not YOU are going
          to be successful...nobody else.

          A mentor will get you on the right track, but ultimately, if you don't commit
          to this 100% and don't change your attitude, you're wasting your time
          and money and might as well just go get a job.

          Take this in the spirit in which it is intended.

          What you do from here is up to you.

          Good luck with whatever you decide.

          I will be rooting for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by vivax View Post

          I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
          From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
          my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

          Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

          In short here's what I did:

          - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
          - 5 amazon product blogs
          - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
          - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
          - review blogs for IM product launches
          - yahoo answers
          - forums with links
          - document uploads
          - videos
          - own clickbank product (4 sales)
          - article submission with article bot
          - feed submission with rss bot
          - press releases
          - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
          - ppc, adwords and clicksor
          - advertising on buysell ads
          - all the social bookmarking
          - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

          There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
          50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

          Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

          any suggestions?
          You have received a lot a great tips and insights from members of the Warrior Forum. Take heed and you will no doubt turn things around.

          If you were paying CLOSE attention, you would have noticed a common theme which is actually the foundation for continued success in IM. And that is a system and then system(s) plural.

          You must have a system for everything...

          A system for finding hot niches...

          A system for finding keyword phrases...

          A system for building websites...

          A system for developing and insuring pristine SEO

          A system for getting a website indexed within a couple of hours of it being launched...

          A system for getting massive swarms of targeted traffic...

          A system for avoiding being deindexed...

          A system for avoiding leaving IFs Internet Footprints

          A system for OTBs Obtaining Tactical Backlinks

          A system for evaluating and increasing your CTR

          Right now, as others have pointed out, you engaged in a number of activities but mastered none. Change that and you will win.

          The beauty of it all is that you found the WF and can connect with people who are actually succeeding at IM.

          Originally Posted by Deepak Media View Post

          You are spreading yourself too thin.
          Yep, that pretty much sums it up...

          Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

          From looking at your list I get the impression that you are all over the map and possibly a flavor of the month IMer.

          Pick a strategy / method and stick with it.


          For me, it's all about backlinks and onsite SEO. I've never submitted an article or press release, created a video, created my own product or most of the other stuff on your list, I don't even have a mailing list. I pick a keyword and backlink the crap out of my sites until they are ranking and drawing traffic. Then I hope my visitors buy something.

          Not saying it's the best method but it's simple and works for me.

          You need to find your own system, stick with it and work it hard.
          @ jasonmorgan - GOOD CALL, Jason!!! There's gold in Jason's words!!!


          Originally Posted by alexei_aus View Post

          it often sounds harder. what you need to do is follow the system. thats it! forget about creativity and just follow the steps
          @ alexei - another good call, Alexi!!!


          Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

          Focus on one or two integrated methods and go from there.

          You need focus and discipline.
          @ Fernando - Sounds like the WF members are on to something. Fernando just did what we call in the military a drill down. He honed in on the first point and amped it up to another level; heed his words, develop a system and then stay focused and disciplined with dogged determination.

          Originally Posted by vivax View Post

          thank you all for your nice words, suggestions, advice and encouragement... Maybe I should really take a break.
          @ vivax - Take a break:confused: Are you kidding??? Why quit when you are so close to success? Vivax, you came to the WARRIOR FORUM to announce you're throwing in the towel? This is the Warrior Forum; you came to a bunch of knock down and draggem our Internet Marketers to exclaim that you are considering throwing in the towel? You lost me on that one! My response is in the words of Winston Churchill...

          Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never--in nothing, great or small, large or petty--never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
          You need to concentrate on one single method until you master it and then you can outsource and scale up.

          Like many have mentioned becoming successful in internet marketing takes hard work and dedication but the rewards are amazing.

          Set up some short term and long term goals for yourself and stick to 1 method and you will be surprised how fast you start becoming successful.
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Sports fans, did any of you notice that vivax has apparently left the building? As of: Friday, April 09, 2010 her post count looks like this...

            vivax
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            Join Date: Mar 2010
            Posts: 3
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            Since making the initial post and the subsequent following two posts, she's been glaringly absent from all of the tips, suggestions, psychotherapy and inspirational kick in the butts. :rolleyes:

            @ vivax - can you hear us now?

            Can you hear the WF now?

            Can you hear the inspiration now?

            Can you hear the tips now?

            Can you hear the suggestions now?
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            • Profile picture of the author vivax
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              Sports fans, did any of you notice that vivax has apparently left the building? ...
              of course I'm here
              reading the posts again and again, and thinking about what to do next.

              a lot of people said a lot of things. I thank you all for your opinion and all the PM's that I can't reply since I have not enough posts.
              Yes, I have registered a few days ago, but I've been a "just reading" member for a long time.
              Just didn't feel like I could give some advice to anybody since I'm not making any money online.
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              • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                Originally Posted by vivax View Post

                of course I'm here
                reading the posts again and again, and thinking about what to do next.

                a lot of people said a lot of things. I thank you all for your opinion and all the PM's that I can't reply since I have not enough posts.
                Yes, I have registered a few days ago, but I've been a "just reading" member for a long time.
                Just didn't feel like I could give some advice to anybody since I'm not making any money online.
                Glad to see that you DIDN'T quit.

                From reading the thread, to be honest, it could lead to information overload, which is what a lot of Internet Marketers go through.

                Here's some sage advice that if you follow, you will get on track.

                I'm recommending these steps because although you took certain actions, it appears to me as though there was a disconnect somewhere.

                In other words, although you did what you did, you didn't understand why you were doing what you were doing and most importantly... what was supposed to happen next.

                Honestly, IM is not that complicated once you figure out the foundational basics, which most people never grasp. Having said that, the only step back you need to take is one that involves putting your money in your pocket and slowing down just long enough to grab the IM fundamentals.

                There are two training venues I recommend that you jump into with all vim and vigor.

                (1). Thirty Day Challenge

                (2). http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...che-blogs.html

                Both of these training tools will help you get focused and help you develop and then hone YOUR system for Internet Marketing success.

                REMEMBER this; when it comes to Internet Marketing, there's more than one way to the path to success. Consequently, don't get caught up in anyone's particular system... at least not yet.

                Take the training and while doing so pop back in on this thread and let us know what you've learned and how you're coming. We're here to help you make it; many of us genuinely care about your success!

                The WF is the best place to be - to make your Internet Marketing dreams come true!

                Here's My Caveat: Take the training and don't get sidetracked!
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        • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
          This is just an opinion, and what do I know, But.
          For me it all comes down to 2 things.
          1. Traffic
          2. Conversions

          Any activity that is not directly focused on those 2 points is a waste of my time, effort and finances.

          But then again it's just my opinion.

          So, as many above have said, don't scatter yourself. Focus, but focus on what matters.
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          • Profile picture of the author vivax
            Originally Posted by Enfusia View Post


            So, as many above have said, don't scatter yourself. Focus, but focus on what matters.
            yes, I know that.
            But how do I focus on getting traffic to my sites? Or one site that I choose?
            And make sure the traffic is targeted and will convert?

            As I said in the thread title: You all make it sound so easy...

            P.S. I haven't done anything connected with IM except read your posts for five days, and I'm not getting any closer to the next step I should take.
            Write a few more articles that will get 50 visits a month? Choose a new product to promote and build a new blog? Search for more bookmarking sites? Register to another forum? Give some yahoo answers again? Build another hub?
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        • Profile picture of the author Michele Buch
          Okay Warriors, roll your eyes up at this post if you want, because it is woo-woo.
          But it's good info.

          You need to reprogram your mind.
          You need to use the Law of Attraction (LOA) to change your money thermostat (as T. Harv Eckert calls it). You need to send out attracting money signals and stop sending out canceling signals, such as doubt, fear, and believing you'll never make a lot online.

          My advice it to learn more about the LOA and use it.
          Go to a bit torrent site, such as BTjunkie, and download Kevin Trudeus's Your Wish is Your Command for free.
          Listen to it. Joe Vitale called it one of the best presentations of the LOA he's ever heard.

          After that, stuff by Bob Proctor is great. There's an excellent video program, You Were Born Rich, and an audio one, 11 Forgotten Laws.

          I like playing Shisen and other games while listening (free, at dkmsoftware com).

          If you feel guilty about using torrents, buy the programs the normal way or on eBay, or send money after listening if you think the programs are worthwhile.

          Anyway, take a break, and work on your mind. It's at the heart of your success.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michele Buch
          One question--
          Why aren't you a War Room member?

          I've heard it is the place to be if you are serious about IM.
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          • Profile picture of the author All Night Cafe
            My wife started online in Oct. 09. She had heard me
            talk to 100's of people in the last 5 or 6 years.

            She was downsized from her job. Couldn't find any
            other. She started with a mentor, had her first site
            up in 6 weeks.

            The website was for local service. Lead generateing.

            She had made over $2000.00. As all of the value
            info. in this thread has said.

            Keep working, never quite. Period.
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      • Profile picture of the author tjs1954
        Originally Posted by vivax View Post

        thank you all for your nice words, suggestions, advice and encouragement,
        but this is something I've heard so many times and read all over warrior forum when other people complained about their troubles.. then there was this great new WSO that promised 10000 a month - guaranteed... so I jump and get it, then the next, then the next.. I implement the step by step techniques...
        I've learned a lot, but it is obviously not enough.
        I did all the mentioned techniques for all of my sites, I don't have the budget to outsource anything, so I did it myself and spend a lot of time and energy on that.
        For example, it takes me three days to bookmark just one site to all the social bookmarking sites.. then it takes hours to write articles, make the videos and so on..
        remember, I've been doing it for over a year and nothing happens, so I'm getting pretty tired.
        Maybe I should really take a break.
        Use Onlywire to bookmark social sites, it takes a little time to set all the accounts up but then you can post your articles in a couple minutes to all the sites. It shouldn't take three days to bookmark one site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paxton
          I'll go a totally different route, so for what it's worth here goes.

          What I don't do.
          I NEVER touch micro-niches. Full stop.

          If all the work you've done had been on a site in a big ever-green niche, that website would have a real, intrinsic value right now. Even if it's not turning a huge profit, it would still be worth real money to somebody.

          The problem with micro-niches is two-fold. First of all, these tend to be come and go markets. Fads that have a short life span. I know not everybody will agree with this, but you asked for opinions and this is mine. Micro-niche sites have little long term potential.

          Second, it's a simple numbers game. Traffic x conversion rate. That's about it. You could be selling fossilized dog poo and it will convert at some percentage. The key ingredient is traffic. Any micro-niche that can be dominated, is probably not worth dominating.

          Take all that work you've been doing and pump it into a big market. Not all your sales have to come off the main keywords, so the LSI value of the market is important. After all, you wouldn't start a MacDonalds franchise and only sell Big Macs would you? Money comes from everything on the menu.

          Long term, big markets beat the micro-niche hands down. Decent sites in big markets are worth real clams. Small sites in micro-niches are worth micro-money.
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          • Profile picture of the author callumcoutts
            Originally Posted by Paxton View Post

            I'll go a totally different route, so for what it's worth here goes.

            What I don't do.
            I NEVER touch micro-niches. Full stop.

            If all the work you've done had been on a site in a big ever-green niche, that website would have a real, intrinsic value right now. Even if it's not turning a huge profit, it would still be worth real money to somebody.

            The problem with micro-niches is two-fold. First of all, these tend to be come and go markets. Fads that have a short life span. I know not everybody will agree with this, but you asked for opinions and this is mine. Micro-niche sites have little long term potential.

            Second, it's a simple numbers game. Traffic x conversion rate. That's about it. You could be selling fossilized dog poo and it will convert at some percentage. The key ingredient is traffic. Any micro-niche that can be dominated, is probably not worth dominating.

            Take all that work you've been doing and pump it into a big market. Not all your sales have to come off the main keywords, so the LSI value of the market is important. After all, you wouldn't start a MacDonalds franchise and only sell Big Macs would you? Money comes from everything on the menu.

            Long term, big markets beat the micro-niche hands down. Decent sites in big markets are worth real clams. Small sites in micro-niches are worth micro-money.
            MacDonalds started with only three burgers, the hamburger the cheesburger and the big mac.

            source: Ray Crock - The building of Macdonalds.

            I dont believe his is a microniche site, its a BIG niche.
            It just needs some work and the audience targeting worked on.
            As I said, I trhink he needs to aim at the self defence market more clearly and include women.
            You said some wouldnt aggree with you.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paxton
              Originally Posted by callumcoutts View Post

              MacDonalds started with only three burgers, the hamburger the cheesburger and the big mac.

              source: Ray Crock - The building of Macdonalds.

              I dont believe his is a microniche site, its a BIG niche.
              It just needs some work and the audience targeting worked on.
              As I said, I trhink he needs to aim at the self defence market more clearly and include women.
              You said some wouldnt aggree with you.
              You kind of missed the point about MacDonalds but that's something a lot of people do. It really doesn't worry me that much. The more people buying into the micro-niche myth, the better for me.

              Have a look at what the big names are teaching and then look at what they actually DO and you'll get the point about big markets vs small. One very well known name who touts a micro-niche course actually owns a BIG ecommerce site in a very competitive and very big market. There are probably more, but I know this one for a fact as he let slip the domain in a video.

              And again, this is only my opinion and of course different opinions are expected and respected. Be a bloody boring place if we all agreed anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author poker princess
        Originally Posted by vivax View Post

        thank you all for your nice words, suggestions, advice and encouragement,
        but this is something I've heard so many times and read all over warrior forum when other people complained about their troubles.. then there was this great new WSO that promised 10000 a month - guaranteed... so I jump and get it, then the next, then the next.. I implement the step by step techniques...
        I've learned a lot, but it is obviously not enough.
        I did all the mentioned techniques for all of my sites, I don't have the budget to outsource anything, so I did it myself and spend a lot of time and energy on that.
        For example, it takes me three days to bookmark just one site to all the social bookmarking sites.. then it takes hours to write articles, make the videos and so on..
        remember, I've been doing it for over a year and nothing happens, so I'm getting pretty tired.
        Maybe I should really take a break.

        I think you are doing overlimit for one particular site. I guess its time you have to things done by some people. Hire a couple of guys for the bookmarking stuff. You just concentrate on the articles and the end sale.

        Let the staff do the cross bookmarking and other stuff, you should concentrate mainly on the important things. Also try some software tools for bookmarking and article submissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    I think you aren't sticking to one strategy.

    You're running like the big cat: You'll run wherever you find an opportunity.

    I'll help you out.

    Await my PM.

    I think I can get you out of this mess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.
    No KIDDING.. Your problem SHOULD be lack of traffic. Look at what I highlighted in red. You are in the chicken house trying to catch all the chickens at one time.

    Slow down....Choose one niche and then focus that much effort on building content, blogs, sites all driving traffic to ONE moneymaker. Drive everything to one place.

    Imagine if all that work had been done to promote traffic to ONE well optimized site. How many visitors would you have to one offer, if they were all focused into one funnel?

    Catch one chicken at a time. Soon the truck will be loaded with chickens...

    And to answer the first question.... HELL NO, you're not stupid. Look at what you have done. You have created more content than the bulk of people on the Warrior Forum. Your intelligence and work ethic are phenomenal. Focus down to the one niche you love, focus your effort into it with the same energy, and you have found the magic path...

    Once you have created success in the one niche after 3, 6, or 9 months...then consider another niche. Then again, you might not need another one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Stick to one system buddy.

    I had similar problems like you.

    I knew so much that I couldn't focus on one thing at one time.

    I still encounter that issue but hey, I have come down to a business model that will last for a lifetime. Even to this day I am confused because I get stuck with making the right decisions but still I take action and come through.

    Making money online shouldn't be a get-rich-quick scheme neither it is. It's not easy as 1-2-3 and you're done.

    It takes effort to build a business model and set it up on auto-pilot to generate cash on demand.

    I sent you a PM that is going to change your life in a couple of hours - don't believe me, just try it for once what I told you to do for gods sake.

    You'll thank me forever.

    I am sure of the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?

    Right off the bat, I can tell your main problem is that you're spread WAY to thin.

    Choose 1 thing and dig REALLY deep with it. Make that successful, then move on.

    Make a marketing plan for that one niche and stick to it. Don't get distracted by the newest best things... just keep trucking on ONE thing.

    Took me a while to figure that one out too. But, once I did, it all started lookin up for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author stefanjames
    This is NOT just some hobby you do. Looks like you are trying to do a million things at once. Focus on ONE project and get as much traffic to it as you can. Free or Paid to this ONE project until it is making you $50-$100 a day. Then and ONLY then move on to the next project and rinse and repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Truong
    Here is 1 internet marketing strategy that I condense for you (simply because it's late and I'm lazy hehe)


    Quality content + Traffic = Money


    If you can provide valuable quality content... then traffic will naturally come with it. Offer something unique to your website viewers. Also you must have some form of monetization strategy in place to turn that traffic into money. Otherwise your efforts will be in vain.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    Somethings not right here. I just jumped into a new niche about 3 months ago and already have 90 articles submitted to 2 main directories and we're making a lot more than $600. You've got 100 articles submitted and you've only made $600 in a year?

    Like someone already posted, without some more specifics, people will only be able to give you general advice. The obvious mistake you've made that many people make is that you're extremely unfocused. You're all over the place. I'm curious to see what kind of market and keyword research you've done for those 100 articles and how many niches and/or websites they point to. Without sharing more details it's impossible to check out your marketing sales funnel, assuming you even have one.

    Are you capturing e-mail addresses and building a relationship with your list? At $600 in the last year I would venture to guess you are not. What's your front-end, back-end, and sales funnel strategy? How do you track your traffic so you know what converts and what doesn't?

    Spending "thousands" of dollars on courses and WSOs means nothing unless you've gone through them, learned from them, and have executed and given the business model enough time to do it's thing. Press releases can make you a lot of money when written and distributed correctly so I'm not sure what your press release strategy is. I've looked at all the things you've done and something is simply not adding up here. This is either a phony post or you've left out some very significant details.

    What kind of business outline / plan did you start with and are you doing a bare minimum of 4 things to promote your business at least 5 days per week? Most Warriors that I've talked to over the years that have made posts like yours could not answer those two questions in the positive. They simply weren't doing it consistently and didn't have a plan.

    If you've made $600 in a year have you've been able to isolate where those monies have come from and have found a way to scale it up? It sounds like to me at this point you really need to hire a coach that is going to give you some tough love. I guarantee they would have drop a lot of the stuff you are now doing and have you concentrate on only one or a couple of items at a time.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The OP started an "adventure" in 2008- worked 8 hrs a day - did everything on the list (which looks like it came straight from here) and then starts ranting about WSO's.

      ....and he joined the WF last week?

      Right.
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    • Profile picture of the author sgardner
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      Are you capturing e-mail addresses and building a relationship with your list? At $600 in the last year I would venture to guess you are not. What's your front-end, back-end, and sales funnel strategy? How do you track your traffic so you know what converts and what doesn't?
      Thank you Rod for mentioning it!

      Please forgive my newbieness here and in the IM world, but I was wondering the same thing and I did not see it mentioned but maybe 2 times in all of the replies. (I may have missed one or two others).

      This was my first thought when reading the original post, Is He Building A List?

      I have only been at this for a short time, but I am focusing on just 1 thing, building a large list, once I have that working for me, I will venture off into new territory.
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  • Profile picture of the author krisDupree
    As another warrior stated take a little time off. Refocus, your desire to achieve your goals is still there. When you return fresh, focus on one task at a time, become the master (not a slave) of your business and the money will follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    Do one thing you enjoy, find all the nuances of it, and get really good. You're doing too much which only leads to mediocrity...

    I've been where you are and I know the frustration...I focus on product creation which is what I enjoy most...

    Cheers,

    Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislreeb
    Don't quit now. You have learned a lot and you have most of the pieces for the puzzle, Take a quick break and then come back and narrow your focus. What has made you some money in the past can do it again. Concentrate on improving what has already shown some success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Susanna Dodd
    When I started reading your story, I almost thought I wrote it. Except, I did not do all that stuff you were mentioning and I've been doing this off and on for quite some time. However, I too spend most of my time at work, like you, on the computer reading this forum and researching for my IM business. Let's just say that I am finally getting started after 5 years of buying this product and that promising I will make millions....and it not working.

    Anyway, you mentioned that you were doing different niches. I think that might be part of the problem. I was trying to do more than one thing at a time and was not very successful. I am currently working on one thing right now and sticking to it until I become successful at it with one niche. Then I can move on to something else.

    Like someone else said earlier, maybe you should step back and take a break for a bit and do other things except IM. Then come back and start fresh. I've done that too and it helps.

    Yes this is very hard to do but like others have said, this is a business and like any other business starting out, there are no such things as overnight success. You have to work just as hard at this as you would any other job....possibly harder.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreeAgent13
    I'm in the same situation.

    I quit my job about a year ago to work on an online business. For the first 9 months, I spread myself too thin, trying a whole assortment of methods. It was only until 3 months ago that I realized that you need to focus on ONE and ONLY ONE method. So I decided to work exclusively on my business and left everything go by the way side.

    Unfortunately, I haven't made any money so far, and since I began getting serious about building a business only 3 months ago, I've already used up most of my savings.

    But will that deter me?

    NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    I learned from my mistakes. What I need to do now is find a job to hold me over and fund my business until my business is a success.

    I.M. is not a hobby where you can get rich quick by doing nothing. It is a really business. I suggest you step back and regroup and put all your energy and effort in one avenue.

    I refuse to give up on myself and you shouldn't either.
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    • Profile picture of the author Donnie
      Vivax,

      You need tight laser targeted focus to put you on the path to success. You have great work ethic ! That is an essential tool, congratulate yourself on that!

      STOP THE INSANITY - You need some time to rethink your business plan. The answer lies in finding a mentor. You could hire one. One of the greats, Jim Straw, recently had a WSO, I don't know if he'll run it again.

      If you can't afford a mentor. The next best thing is to find someone that is successful and read their books. It could be a warrior, or someone who has had a plethora of successful students.

      Find a mentor and don't let yourself get sidetracked. Here a just a few: Jim Straw, Dan Kennedy, Marlon Sanders, Claude Diamond, Jay Abraham, Ryan Deiss. Warriors, Andy Henry and Paul Meyers (Talk Biz News) have some excellent material they offer free of charge.

      When you're lost, it's difficult to know where, or to whom to turn to. It's hard to distinguish sound advice from more malarkey. Luckily for you, you are in the right place and there is some great advice in this thread. I urge you to read over it, even save it in a PDF file and print it out. Use it as a guide, to get you on the path you are so desperately seeking.
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      • Profile picture of the author RoyChan
        Vivax,

        I will not add another advice for you, except saying that Buddy, you've done some great job!
        Many have spent years online yet to see a dime... but you've already done $600.

        Truth betold, you need a strategy as many have put it. I'd recommend you check out:

        1) [FREE] Grab a free Simpleology 101 free account
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        2) [FREE] Grab John Delavera's The Big Yellow... You can search it online or get it for free in my site (search it - it's there)

        Hope it helps. Take a break and come back up soaring okay?

        Take care buddy,

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  • Profile picture of the author Han Fan
    Hire a Coach...

    focus on one thing..

    testing, testing and more testing..

    testing your ad, testing your traffic...

    find out which one method you enjoy the most...

    if doesn't work go to the next one...

    once you hit the gold, just pre-produce it...

    good luck my friend!

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  • Profile picture of the author armadin
    You been down that road Neo

    Do you really want to go back to some lame desk job or whatever you did before and wait for your monthly charity check?

    Sorry to be so blunt , I know what you mean with the frustration and all but this is nothing really, people have given their entire lives to a single discovery or purpose only to achieve results years after.

    This is not meant to say that it will take you that long to gain success in IM. Think about a person that is now sitting in jail for the next 10 years or so, what choice does he have and what choice do you have, a bit off the topic but don't let this demoralize you, keep hacking it and there is no way it will not work.

    Good luck , hope you make it
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    It is not easy but anything worth something will cost something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Power and Wealth
    Maybe the problem is you haven't actually focused on ONE THING for long enough. Jumping around a lot can waste time and never really gets you anywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author yommys01
    Come, let's do it. I was like you and was going to give up but I make over $3,000 per month now with little work.

    What you need is a mentor and I am willing to help you free of charge if you are willing to do it. I will send you my email address via PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Escotk
    Sounds like you're dealing with some very bad information overload. I would suggest you just pick one "system" and work it till it works for you. It really is that simple.

    There's an old proverb that goes "If you chase two rabbits, you will not catch either one." I think it's definitely true.

    So my advice to is focus on one thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I think you have the key, find the right door and knock it open.

    If you can make $600 a year and you can do more. Perhaps you need to understand that traffic is about building momentum.

    1. SEO takes time but definitely worth it. Take the time to build quality links to your site.

    2. Are you actively involve in list building. I have seen a lot of member here mention that the money is in the list. Am afraid they are not far from been right.

    3. PPC requires skills, you can lose a lot of money in a hurry without any thing to show for it. Perry Marshall provides a great adword tutorial. PPC is one of the fastest way to get a lot of prospect to your landing page thou costly.

    IM is all about skills, hone your skills and you will be just fine.

    Pick on those three tips and you will surely make a difference.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Roy
    STOP WITH THE A.D.D. and focus!!!

    The bottom line is this, there are TWO forms of traffic that can be acheived which results in creating income online.

    SEARCH ENGINE TRAFFIC ----- AND ----- REFERRAL TRAFFIC

    Both of those things unless you have serious tricks up your sleeve, are to create websites with truly high quality content that people like!

    With all of those different things you have going it says to me that you are not passionate about what you're selling and you want IMMEDIATE GRATIFICATION. If you build a website, that is truly full of information, easy to navigate, and your visitors say, "wow that was convenient I found everything i wanted and more at this website, I should tell my friends about this", you will acheive this insane referral traffic, from word of mouth and blogs across the internet. Don't forget that people who own great informative and helpful blogs are always looking for a great website to link out to purely to satisfy their visitors.

    Not only will you get traffic through the roof from referral traffic, but believe me, GOOGLE KNOWS A GREAT WEBSITE WHEN IT SEES ONE. Don't be afraid to invest your time into a 25-50 page website, that's not full of crap, you will get immense insane huge amounts of traffic. Remember that 90% of your visitors will be from miscellaneous totally unique keyword searches, the more content you have the more terms you will show up for.

    For example if you're trying to sell a product on a website, you can have pages with photos, videos, reviews, examples, screenshots, a forum page, a Q&A page**You'd be surprised how much traffic you'll get to your Q&A page, about 50 percent of online searches are in the form of a question.

    Good luck! that's enough for me, maybe I'll start a thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      How come no one is willing to address one of Vivax's original questions:

      Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

      I'm not going to call you stupid, because you've obviously learned how to do a lot of things that the rest of us haven't even tried, but the question of talent is a legitimate one.

      Everyone seems to assume that "anyone" can succeed in internet marketing, as if the issue of talent is irrelevant.

      It's not. It's very relevant. I've tried helping friends do this stuff, and I'm often surprised at how poor they're writing skills are -- even AFTER I've told them the exact tone and content they should be shooting for.

      That assertion that "anyone can succeed" is a lie continually told in the field of MLM, too, by the way.

      I've even tried helping others by showing them another website and said, "Here, don't copy this site but use it as a model to see how it's done."

      And then I look at what they come up with and I'm flabbergasted at how lame it is. Some people just can't write very effectively.

      Obviously, this is not an issue if you're able to outsource things like web design and copywriting. But Vivax has already said he's doing all this by himself.

      So maybe his blog posts are less than compelling. Maybe his articles are weak. Maybe he can't communicate very well.

      I'm not saying you have to be a great writer. But none of us have seen any of your landing pages or blog posts or articles, and they might just be . . . bad.

      It's amazing how much money you can make by NOT being perfect, but you DO have to be compelling and engaging.

      When you get down to it, words are pretty much all we have, and if you can't use them well (either in print or on video or audio), then you're going to have trouble succeeding.

      I think it's misleading to tell someone that internet marketing is really, really hard work and that if you're not succeeding then you're not working hard enough. Dude has just spent 18 months trying this stuff for eight hours a day and has made a total of only $600!!

      If hard work was so important, he'd be making good money already!

      C'mon, people, internet marketing is NOT that hard. It's really pretty simple. Yes, there are a lot of little, detail-oriented steps, but you all make it sound like putting up a website is like working on an Alaskan fishing boat.

      Talent matters. Look at the natural charm that Frank Kern exudes on video. Look how clear and precise Ryan Deiss speaks on video. Look how readable and to-the-point Steven Wagenheim's posts are.

      Can you name even ONE very successful internet marketer who can't write well or speak well? None come to my mind.

      I'm not saying Vivax should give up. But maybe he should consider a line of work that better utilizes his talents.

      On the other hand, if Vivax is driven to make this work, then by all means he should continue onward using the ton of good suggestions he's received in here. But if I was his spouse, I'd certainly be asking for a deadline when he was willing to call it quits and try something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author areaK
    Are any of your sites ranking on the first page of Google for its keyword(s)? If not, maybe you should be focusing more on getting each of them ranked up (pick one or two to get ranked up, then after they are ranked on the first page, move on to the others)...that will help you increase traffic (of course this is assuming there is decent traffic for the keywords.

    It's not easy, it's real work but it's def doable...and so much better than a 9-5. Don't spread yourself too thin & focus.

    (but agreed, it's not for everyone and some people are better off not being in this biz...not saying that's you but it's certainly true.)
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Great post - this is a perfect example of how NOT to start an internet business.

    I'm not trying to be funny or mean spirited - it is how most people do start out and why frustrations boil over. A very select few work their way through this and eventually stumble on something highly profitable, but most don;t

    Okay - what is lacking here is a system where you take a given market and systematically test for response.

    For example, it could be a Clickbank product where you systematically perform keyword research (which is more than just finding keywords by the way, it is actually selecting the high ROI keywords), then systematically forward a few hundred unique visitors to either an intermediate landing page or directly to the sales page and test response.

    If your results are poor, then you know that within a couple of days and you move to the next niche or next product.

    In the meantime you systematically perform market research looking for patterns of products that are selling to hungry markets - sort of re-engineer successful businesses and products. That will give you BIGTIME clues as to what is hot and what is not (and you are right, MOST of it is NOT)

    how do I know you are not using systems?

    There is no way you should be doing 80% of what you are doing (ex. blogging, article writing, expanded PPC, Yahoo Answers, Social Bookmarking, etc....UNTIL AFTER you have found a money-maker)

    What you want to do is systematically research and test to find a winner (your own product or existing product) with combination of keywords, copy and product that do convert AND THEN you can go crazy generating traffic.

    I do this in niche after niche and out of testing some 30 + different niche/product combinations I have 12 products in 4 niches that make me many times what you list per product...the trick is finding the hot sellers and then quickly validating through testing before you put huge effort into expanding traffic.

    The great thing about this approach is that when you DO find a winner, you can really maximize return by list building, offering additional products, evolving your own product offerings, licensing, etc...

    Jeff
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
      Originally Posted by jbsmith View Post

      Great post - this is a perfect example of how NOT to start an internet business.

      I'm not trying to be funny or mean spirited - it is how most people do start out and why frustrations boil over. A very select few work their way through this and eventually stumble on something highly profitable, but most don;t

      Okay - what is lacking here is a system where you take a given market and systematically test for response.

      For example, it could be a Clickbank product where you systematically perform keyword research (which is more than just finding keywords by the way, it is actually selecting the high ROI keywords), then systematically forward a few hundred unique visitors to either an intermediate landing page or directly to the sales page and test response.

      If your results are poor, then you know that within a couple of days and you move to the next niche or next product.

      In the meantime you systematically perform market research looking for patterns of products that are selling to hungry markets - sort of re-engineer successful businesses and products. That will give you BIGTIME clues as to what is hot and what is not (and you are right, MOST of it is NOT)

      how do I know you are not using systems?

      There is no way you should be doing 80% of what you are doing (ex. blogging, article writing, expanded PPC, Yahoo Answers, Social Bookmarking, etc....UNTIL AFTER you have found a money-maker)

      What you want to do is systematically research and test to find a winner (your own product or existing product) with combination of keywords, copy and product that do convert AND THEN you can go crazy generating traffic.

      I do this in niche after niche and out of testing some 30 + different niche/product combinations I have 12 products in 4 niches that make me many times what you list per product...the trick is finding the hot sellers and then quickly validating through testing before you put huge effort into expanding traffic.

      The great thing about this approach is that when you DO find a winner, you can really maximize return by list building, offering additional products, evolving your own product offerings, licensing, etc...

      Jeff
      Jeff, you totally nailed it. Your one post basically lays out an entire system that is virtually guaranteed to give someone success -- sooner rather than later.
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  • Profile picture of the author joefizz
    Hi Vivax

    The truth is simple. You haven't failed until you quit...so don't quit! You've gotta see this as a long term project.

    Your list of work is impressive! One thing you haven't mentioned is mentoring. Have a look at this guy.....he's very good!!

    marketingwithyou.infusionsoft.com/go/gurun/joefizz

    Have a look at his latest ebook and see what you think.

    HTH

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    • Originally Posted by joefizz View Post

      Hi Vivax

      The truth is simple. You haven't failed until you quit...so don't quit! You've gotta see this as a long term project.

      Your list of work is impressive! One thing you haven't mentioned is mentoring. Have a look at this guy.....he's very good!!

      marketingwithyou.infusionsoft.com/go/gurun/joefizz

      Have a look at his latest ebook and see what you think.

      HTH

      Joe
      Aren't you Joe Fizz, the guy you are promoting? You are promoting yourself in the third person.
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      • Profile picture of the author indexphp
        Originally Posted by marktheonlinesurfer View Post

        Aren't you Joe Fizz, the guy you are promoting? You are promoting yourself in the third person.
        thats an affiliate link dude :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
          Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

          Sorry to be the odd one out here but ... when you start using mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to guide your IM venture, you have a problem. Know what they are (questionable), understand them (maybe) but don't use them as a formula to make decisions on where you are going wrong.

          The only thing that guarantees results is an understanding of the basics for which you can apply common sense to. Acronyms teach you nothing about basic principles, they merely divert attention from what matters.

          Lee
          This is what I meant in Post #196, about discerning what's useful! L Wilson comes along and declares, (for whatever reason or motive) that if a person is using mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to teach or learn IM, they have a problem? Are you zippin kidding me? What was the purpose of your post? And before you answer, please NOTE:

          The United States Military, (all branches) use mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to teach and quickly instill some of the most complex military: philosophies, strategies, formulas and tactics. They heavily employ mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to help military personnel quickly learn complex coding systems, equipment and armament. For example here are some common acronyms used to help Air Force Airmen quickly learn the complex structure of the USAF.

          TAC
          SAC
          MAC
          DOD
          CSAF
          DEFCON

          In addition, if I said to a military person, Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over? - they would know what the heck I was talking about because...

          THAT'S HOW THEY ARE TRAINED!


          The NFL uses mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to teach complex offensive and defensive schemes. Law enforcement use mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to provide quick, concise descriptions of incidents, situations, people, places, and property.

          If I said to a police officer, Code 1, NFA on DOB, he or she would know exactly what I was talking about because...

          THAT"S HOW THEY ARE TRAINED!

          And then you come along and claim that using mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to teach IM doesn't work. WOW! Go and try selling your "odd one out" ideologies to the CSAF, NFL, NBA CIA and the FBI!

          For those reading this thread who actually want to learn what Vivax is doing wrong because it may be the very thing that you are doing wrong also... you're probably asking - why did I even address the post made by Wilson. The answer is simple;

          to show you why you must be on your "A" Game!

          As you pursue your Internet Marketing dreams you will learn that we have some great Internet Marketers on the WF. People like Daniel Tan, Ken Fry, Paul Johnson, k60mall, Angela V. Edwards, Sean Donahoe, kkchoon, StevenR, Joe118, Oz, Jeremy Kelsall and others. These individuals don't engage in IMG Internet Marketing Guessing. They don't put out IM theory or IM rhetoric. They prove or disprove if it works or not and then they share.

          If you are just starting out or have been at IM a while but are still struggling, STOP listening to IM theory, IM rhetoric, IM Guessers and IM Gurus. These people are going to constantly cross paths with you and make all kinds of useless statements, declarations, boasts, claims, assessments and guesses.

          They are going to passionately market their brilliant ideas, golden ebooks, 24 hours to riches programs and spiffy sales pages even in lieu of the fact that they can be easily be disproved as worthless drivel.

          They will aggressively and energetically take your hard earned money and knowingly give you ineffective and counterproductive advice about IM.

          The truth is; you were just another sale!

          They don't give a flip if you ever make a dime in IM! Learn IM, get trained, build a firm foundation and you will avoid the pain, frustration, loss of income, loss of valuable time and the disappointment these people will inflict upon you and your IM dreams.

          The quicker you learn how to detect when someone is feeding you a bowl of IM mush, the quicker you'll get to obtaining your goals!

          Once again, I'm off my soapbox...

          Vivax, are you ready for your next Test Question?
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          • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            Blah Blah Blah
            Oh dear, did I rain on your parade? Sorry, I'll leave you to it.
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            • Profile picture of the author vivax
              I know that everyone has a right to their own opinion about threads and I respect that.
              I was trying to find help reading a lot here on the WF a long time ago, and continue to do it all the time reading different threads here, not just mine. I never want to take away your precious time, and I never expected this thread to get so many answers. I am indeed very surprised and happy it happened, maybe it will really help me, as well as many others.
              After I started feeling that I've hit the wall I just decided to ask help for my own problems, but nobody is forced to participate or answer.
              I highly appreciate the encouragement, it gives me energy to continue, and I appreciate the criticism, it makes me think again about the way I approach IM, that is obviously wrong.
              @ chief: go on with your questions, I won't cheat, I promise
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

            The United States Military, (all branches) use mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to teach and quickly instill some of the most complex military: philosophies, strategies, formulas and tactics.
            No, they use those to COMMUNICATE those things after they are already known.

            They are part of the tribe's secret language that proves they belong.

            When another military man asks what I did in the military, I say I was in CCT 535 out of Lackland and part of the JSOT for Just Cause in '89.

            I don't say that to civilians. I say they sent me to Panama during the whole Noriega thing.

            The acronyms and mnemonics are not for teaching. They are the exact opposite: a wall to keep out those who do not belong.

            And Lee is absolutely right.
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  • Profile picture of the author graemewallis
    Banned
    It seems like you were doing a lot and don't have the income to show for your work. I understand your frustration. Hopefully one of the Warriors will be able to help get you more traffic to your sites. So that you want have to quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author arklove
    Got to agree with most of the above get
    laser target focused on an element of Marketing that you really love Perhaps writing ad copy, creating video... Just find a strategy you LOVE then be really consistent with the strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author FlashDriveDT
    Did you make sure to use the google adwords keyword tool for each niche, for "exact phrase"? I dont see it in your list. It doesnt matter if you have 10 or 100 niche sites, if the keywords youre targeting only have a search volume of 10 or so a month you're not going to make any dough. Also, have you made use of any backlink packets? How high are you ranking in google? If you want to be in the top 3, for high volume search keywords, you need LOTS of backlinks. Ezine articles alone wont cut it, you need diverse backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wayfatwhitey
    I don't see Backlinks on your list. You should spend as much time, if not more, on Backlinks. I'd say pm me for more info but it doesn't look like you have enough posts to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlc3
    Dont give up my friend, ive been down the same road and the main thing is to find something you have knowledge about and go from there. Its not easy but with time it will have its rewards trust me ! :O)

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    It sounds like you've done a lot of dabbling, but haven't stuck to any one thing long enough to make it work for you.

    20 blogs in several different niches? I'd be in over MY head from that alone, trying to do everything by myself.

    I'll tell you a little secret...

    It's true that some people here make money through different business models and have multiple streams of income. CPA, products about CPA, maybe some site flipping, more than likely several lists, etc.

    But ya know... there are only 24 hours in a day. No matter who or where you are, we all have the same 24 hours.

    How then, do these people do so much?

    THEY OUTSOURCE.

    They hire someone ELSE to write their articles, design their graphics, develop their websites, do keyword research, build backlinks, and hell - outsource the whole product itself. If they did everything themselves there's no way - no F**KING way - they'd get very far.

    How then, do you get to that outsourcing stage?

    You first have to get beyond your mental roadblocks. You have to reprogram your mind into working for yourself, and for building on your success. Start small. Pick ONE business model. I started making money by writing articles for others, and still occasionally ghostwrite (though I don't actively advertise it anymore). If you can do any sort of "outsourceable" work, if you will, you'll not only get some start-up capital for your other endeavors, but it'll drive the point home that, "Hey, I'm actually making money with this Interweb thing." Then you use THAT money to reinvest into whatever else you want to do.

    Is this a walk in the park? No. Is there an income ceiling? No. Life's dictated by the choices we make. No one will stop you if you decide to quit, but success is yours for the taking - that is, if you so choose.

    I've been meditating on this quote lately: "The most powerful force in the universe is compound interest" - Einstein

    That, and if you haven't seen it already, I highly recommend watching Kung Fu Panda. It's not just another movie with Jack Black - it has a really good message behind it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karomesis
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    That's one of your problems amigo, try ignoring these guys





    If you can get a little more



    Then surely, you will make more
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

      It is not easy but anything worth something will cost something.
      Take this golden nugget to heart... IM is not easy when you're first starting because of the steep learning curve. No matter what ANY guru says, it's not that easy!

      Originally Posted by jbsmith View Post

      Great post - this is a perfect example of how NOT to start an internet business.

      I'm not trying to be funny or mean spirited - (And you're not; you're dead on so have at it!) it is how most people do start out and why frustrations boil over. A very select few work their way through this and eventually stumble on something highly profitable, but most don;t

      Okay - what is lacking here is a system where you take a given market and systematically test for response.

      For example, it could be a Clickbank product where you systematically perform keyword research (which is more than just finding keywords by the way, it is actually selecting the high ROI keywords), then systematically forward a few hundred unique visitors to either an intermediate landing page or directly to the sales page and test response.

      If your results are poor, then you know that within a couple of days and you move to the next niche or next product.

      In the meantime you systematically perform market research looking for patterns of products that are selling to hungry markets - sort of re-engineer successful businesses and products. That will give you BIGTIME clues as to what is hot and what is not (and you are right, MOST of it is NOT)

      how do I know you are not using systems?

      There is no way you should be doing 80% of what you are doing (ex. blogging, article writing, expanded PPC, Yahoo Answers, Social Bookmarking, etc....UNTIL AFTER you have found a money-maker)

      What you want to do is systematically research and test to find a winner (your own product or existing product) with combination of keywords, copy and product that do convert AND THEN you can go crazy generating traffic.

      I do this in niche after niche and out of testing some 30 + different niche/product combinations I have 12 products in 4 niches that make me many times what you list per product...the trick is finding the hot sellers and then quickly validating through testing before you put huge effort into expanding traffic.

      The great thing about this approach is that when you DO find a winner, you can really maximize return by list building, offering additional products, evolving your own product offerings, licensing, etc...

      Jeff
      Jeff, you might want to think about becoming a (IMDI) Internet Marketing Drill Sergeant!

      A wise man once said, "A picture is worth more than a thousands words and Karomesis just painted the picture as crystal clear as you can get.

      Originally Posted by Karomesis View Post

      That's one of your problems amigo, try ignoring these guys





      If you can get a little more



      Then surely, you will make more

      @ vivax - To answer your question, that year HAS NOT been a failure; it has been a learning curve!

      The issue of quitting or not quitting is totally your decision. No one can make it for. The BIGGER questions you must ask yourself and answer yourself are:

      (a). Why did I get into IM?
      (b). Is this something I can enjoy doing?
      (c). Do I really want to succeed at IM?
      (d). Was IM just a get rich quick dream that has now faded into the oblivion as other get rich quick schemes?

      Once YOU answer those questions, the decision to quit or dig in and make it happen will be easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author ForwardSteps
    What a brilliant post. Love all the fantastic responses. Ok, guess I'd best add my bit to the collection.

    Vivax, I wondered about the kinds of sites you have out there, and work you'd done. As you had no signature with your message, I decided to look at your profile. Nope, still no success. For someone who's desperately wanting online presence, I could not believe that two basics of forum participation and the opportunity of back-linking was neglected. Is that the mind set of an entrepreneur?

    Here is an article I wrote a while back Making Money With An Online Business and here's a free ebook Online Visible Web - 35 Free Online Promotion Ideas, also written a while back however most of it still applies.

    Do you have a mailing list and have a way for site visitors to add themselves to a series of email from you? People buy from people they like and/or trust. In your post there wasn't one live URL that I could visit, to even begin to get connected and find out more about you. Get a good quality Autoresponder service.

    "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant." -Robert Louis Stevenson

    Start giving more of yourself and create pages like Free eBook - 179 Forward Steps and The Power Of Concentration by Theron Q. Dumont to begin building a fan base. Be hugely generous and offer products that would really support people who are interested in your topic.

    Do you have your own products or are you always an affiliate? Having your own product enables you to take up so many more opportunities, such as Next Top Author or Self Improvement Summit and Time For My Life: 365 Stepping Stones Affiliate Information.

    Who are your online friends? Look at the collective hours spent by generous people who brought you the contributions and ideas listed at this post, alone! Are you that generous with others? Reciprocation and paying it forward are key. A rising tide raises all boats e.g. Spread Wealth And Share Self Growth!

    Here are a few lines that I have posted at my desk, for me to see daily:
    -You are paid for your outcomes and results, not for your hours spent.
    -The more you solve, the more you sell.
    -Your sales process is the profit nervous system of your entire business. (Do you have a system?)
    -Don't do what you can't measure and don't measure what you can't change.
    -Whatever you focus on WILL expand.
    -Success is the progressive accomplishment of personally worthwhile long range goals.
    What are your personal, large goals for the year. Do you have clarity in where you want to go? Why do you want money and how much will you need to achieve that? What's your bigger picture? Hop over to this forum post at Warrior Forum and add your personal challenge here http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...ml#post1713202

    I'll leave you with these quotes:
    Don't bring your need to the marketplace, bring your skill. If you don't feel well, tell your doctor, but not the marketplace. If you need money, go to the bank, but not the marketplace. -Jim Rohn

    If I lack the courage to start, I have already finished.

    If you would spend 80% of your ad money making your existing customers feel like kings, you could get one customer to bring you another customer just like them - by Word-of-Mouth advertising. That would double your business and keep your customers loyal - what a concept...Jeffrey Gitomer

    Wherever you see a successful business, someone once made a courageous decision...Peter Drucker
    I do hope that all the wonderful and generous contributions at this post will give you courage to continue forward. Don't leave before the miracle happens!

    There's much more I could have added here. I'll leave it for others to continue this great conversation.
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  • Profile picture of the author PVReymond
    Hey vivax, read and absorb the quote below...

    Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. - Thomas Edison.

    Hope it motivates you.

    Thanks,
    ^PV Reymond
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    • Profile picture of the author genietoast
      $600!

      Babe, I started the same time as you, and I've made $240. You're doing better than me.

      Pick the one niche you like the best and focus on that first. One thing I learned about making money online is that far and wide does not mean sales. It's tight and targeted.

      Second, you've got to determine how much money you want to make per month. That will tell you how much traffic you need to get to your site.

      Go to a site called freetraffictip.com by Tinu Abayomi-Paul. This is a lady who knows her traffic and has an SEO strategy that has lasted 6 years of search engine algorithm changes.

      If you have the money, invest in her traffic course. If not, at the very least, get her 7 secrets to massive traffic. The book is $10, but she tells you the formula of how to determine the amount of traffic you need for your site by the amount of money you want to make.

      It's pretty good info. Some of the audio is a bit spotty, but from listening to her strategy, it makes sense.

      You just need to get organized. That's all. Check it out.
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  • Profile picture of the author pks1967
    I would spend a lot of time doing keyword reasearch. Even the whole day if necessary. Find one good keyword phrase and get the .com, .net or .org name. Example: bestfishfinders.com. Dont get the name with hyphens in it.

    Build a nice wordpress blog and host it yourself. Submit three good articles to ezinearticles and then backlink the hell out of the articles with many of the methods outlined in this forum.

    Just slowly get several high quality backlinks to your blog. Maybe one per day.

    Your content must be 100% original. This will rank the best. Write it yourself or outsource it. Maybe build a lens or hub and point it to your money sites. Build tons of links to these sites.

    Just work on this one blog for a while until you see some money come in. You can use adsense, amazon, affiliate or a combination of all of these.

    This is what I have been doing lately and I'm starting to finally see some free traffic.

    Good luck,

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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    I hate to say it like this.... but just quit if that's your attitude.
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  • Profile picture of the author tcpipgirl
    Wow Vivax - We must be in a parallel universe as I was having exactly the same thoughts as you. I was on the forum tonight looking for a good keyword research tool, and somehow ended up on this thread. I just took a couple of months off from the IM thing, but I kept a diary of my progress that I did over the last year, and decided that I had put too much work into it to quit.

    I guess I just wanted to thank everyone for posting, as not only have you helped Vivax, but you've also helped me to realize that I have also been trying to do too many things, and therefore overwhelming myself. I'm going to focus on 2 or 3 similar sites that I have up and running and then concentrate on the article marketing and maybe videos as I really like writing and creating videos. Then, I'll move on to backlinks, and then ... who knows? I'm just not going to go insane anymore by trying to do it all.

    I definitely think that taking a little time off was a good thing for me. Reading all of the feedback just reinforces my decision to give it another go. It really helps to know that many of you have made it work. There's not too many people in my life who are supportive or understand what I'm trying to do.

    Thanks again everybody.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wesley Cash
    The Hardest part of IM i had was going from one thing to the next and (pardon my french) Staying on warrior forum all day looking for the next big thing! lol. I only started making real money when i concentrated on 1 thing at a time and persisted with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author vivax
      hey guys,
      I've decided to do nothing for a week or two, to get my head cleared up. I will just browse through WF and then I will decide what next.

      I think that your wonderful posts were just what I needed and hopefully this thread will help other people that feel like I do too.
      You wanted to see some of my sites, here they are..
      I can't post links, sorry for the copy/paste issue

      abstoningsystem. com
      ivybotrobot. org
      solarpanelbuilding. net
      candidadieoff. info
      hikinggpsreviews. com

      candidayeastexposed. com
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  • Profile picture of the author affjourney
    Hold on there, get an expert to check your work and get some recommendations. I gotta a feeling you just need to tweak a few things and boom, Kaching! Please dont give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author animal44
      One thing you could try is cloaking your affiliate links - some people seem to have issues with following affiliate links.
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  • Profile picture of the author sgsmorgan
    I think you are right, as they say over here in Norther Ireland, "get your head showered" and take a step backwards and see how you feel in about 7 days time or so. I think as "affjourney" has said, you might actually not be that far off cracking it so don't necessarily give up just yet.

    It might just be as another poster has said, look at your sites, go for the one with the most revenue (albeit how little) and traffic and try and maximise that with new articles, promotions, links campaigns etc and then as and when that starets to show an improivement start to look at your other sites.

    The other things is that no matter what has happened over the past 2 years or so you will have learned something and therefore the key thing is to apply what you have learned and is there any way you can capitalise on that? For example, did you find writing articles enjopyable, were you any good at it and if so for a few hours a day could you go out as a "hired gun" to someone else. It might not be that much straight away but it might also be something and that something is more likely to be what you are getting back now.

    The trouble is that there are so many snake oil salesmen out there peddling the dream that it is all so easy and that if you follow their plans you will be making $100 by the end of the day. The reality as you have just found out is that it ain't necessarily that easy.

    Don't give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Pfft 1 year and your already giving up. Follow a proven system and do all that work you did in your original post on ONE site for now.

    Good luck....and dont give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author callumcoutts
    Ok so I havent got many posts on this site so I could just be some idiot for all you know but then you really dont know that do you?
    If I were you I would start by going to where the traffic already is rather than flogging a dead horse like you have been trying in vain to get it all to come to you.
    Ebay is a good place to learn how to market on the internet because you can rersearch how well people are doing and study and emulate people that are already doing well.
    How do you do this?
    First find a seller that has tens of thousands of feedback and look at the way he or she writes listings (concentrate on material products at first before you look at marketing guru type stuff).
    Look at what the most popular products that they are selling are, how the copy is written in the listings, how images are used and most importantly how the seller is percieved by buyers via feedback and dsr's and how they are getting those good ratings.
    Use the pulse pages to research products (these are the most watched items in a particular category and on the entire site - people that sell snake oil have scammed the ebay pulse pages in the past so im sure some of the more clued up people on this site will know what im talking about).
    Customers are listed (that all important internet marketing guru list) and repeat marketed using email and other methods.
    When you move onto informational products you can use the same research techniques and realise residual income potentials via subscription sites and services etc.
    If you learn how to sell of lot of stuff on the internet and then sell a lot of stuff on the internet, guess what, you will be successful in IM and have no problems selling what you are trying to sell now (internet marketing guru stuff).
    goofbay.com has some interesting tools that can be used to find out how many people are watching a particular listing and the advanced search feature in ebay search is good for looking at listings that closed and sold (or didnt sell).
    google is a good place to source products in asia.
    heres an example of what im talking about:

    h**p://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300392114249&ssPageNam e=STRK:MEWAX:IT

    he's sold about 1800 of them and made about £2.50 on each one.

    100 of those sales are in that last three days as can be seen here:

    h**p://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=300392114249

    Its sourced here:

    h**p://banggood.com/Wholesale-Usb-3-Fan-Notebook-Or-Laptop-Cool-Cooler-Cooling-Pad-led-p-5358.html

    (sorry to break the rules mods but its not like im spamming and your anti spamming script aint too smart is it?)

    and you look on google to find it.
    Then there is amazon as another platform that is already built for you like ebay and then there is google but first learn how to sell and research what to sell.

    The problem is that you are not an IM guru yet and you dont have the traffic or list that you need to be one.
    The good news is that you can still make money (more than $50 a day) building your list and traffic) and the easiest to do it is to sell stuff make a profit doing that and get your list and traffic together while you are making that money.
    Hope you can get something out of this.
    I have to go and deal wqith a parcel that has just arrived.
    So yeah, like I said maybe im just some know nothing idiot, or maybe not, who would know?
    What ive just written is what people are looking to buy from guru's whereas your post at the top of the thread tells me that you are not ready to sell that type of product.
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  • Profile picture of the author covertguy
    You'll thank me for this...

    I'm watching this free video right now from a Warrior who claims he made $100k in 3 months but not without some struggles that is probably worse than yours...



    NOW GET BACK TO WORK!

    I'm not allowed to promote his URL but the name of the free video is zero down traffic, google it!
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  • Profile picture of the author jandmich
    A lot of good people have already spoken on this for you but my 2 cents...take the word "quit" out of your vocabulary!
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  • Profile picture of the author Psy
    The main advice on this thread has been:

    1) Focus
    2) Follow a proven system.

    OK, cool guys. That's pretty obvious.

    The answer for him is not WHAT he has to do, but HOW he can do these.

    VERY few of the people who have thrown their opinion in and responded with either (1) Focus or (2) Follow a system have actually told the OP HOW to focus, and how to follow a system (i.e. what system).

    For all the people who have suggested these, why don't you tell the OP how to choose a niche/product to focus on when he seems to be having none producing any cash.

    And what he is doing wrong in his current system, as well as where he can look for a start-finish basic system to implement that does work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas Kemp
    Don't give up Vivax. DO NOT GIVE UP

    I think your problems are:

    Keyword/niche research. If you pick a niche that doesn't have the converting numbers you won't make money no matter how much marketing you do. This is where most people get it wrong. Spend more time on research

    Mindset - if you believe it won't happen then it wont happen. Try to feel good about what you are doing. You want to make a better life for yourself - financial freedom. That is great.

    Take a little break- a week off. Get clear on what you want. Do a lot of research. And then do one thing at a time.

    Learn from your failures and others.

    You can make $50 a day. Don't give up
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Goel
    You need not do that much at all mate. Just concentrate on one thing. Either be an affiliate, or start niche blogs or PPC or anything else.

    Think it like this: A person can't design a building, invest in it and build it alone. There are specializations.

    Karan
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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    I agree with what other Warriors said to you, try to just focus to one blogs that really make you money, build traffic to that blogs, build your brand and trust to your visitor, don't just build spam blogs.

    Until the blogs have enough visitors, make them be your regular visitor, then start building your list, once you have your list you can start offering you stuff through email.

    You can also make an announcement through your blogs to your regular visitor about what you are doing now. Everything takes time to get the result you always wanted to, online bizz is the same as offline biz, take a good care of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    Don't quit.... just advance in ANOTHER direction... perhaps using a different "model" than what you've been using.

    ~ JIM
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Your problem lies in your business model.

    It lies in the strategy you use to make money online.

    Create one model and stick with it.

    Doesn't matter if you fail, you'll learn to succeed.

    Read the report I gave you. Print it. Read it and make notes.

    You're going to change your life with that report.

    I bet you on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author juniorbiz
    Buddy, I've just been skimming through all the posts very quickly and I see a trend that, well...focus on one or two things ONLY! I'm just going to reinforce their opinions because it really looks like you're trying to do everything at once, I know, Internet Marketing cliche, but hey you've had no success doing all that stuff at once.

    So change it up and do one thing that you've found actually made you money and become crazy good at it, then if you feel you've mastered it you can if you want to move on to the next thing, but don't neglect what you've mastered, as if you fail at what you are doing next, you always have something to fall back on.

    You've probably heard this a million times, but if it just takes one more WarriorForum member to give you that kick in the ass you need to follow the majority advice given then let me try to be that one. If not, well there's tons of them out there, and I hope the next poster will say the same thing, or something similar.
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  • Profile picture of the author budfox
    I disgaree with everyone. I make 95% of my income from one online business and I don't like the fact that it can go down at any time and I will be left flat, with nothing, starting from ground zero again.

    I like your approach of building a diversified income source. That is not "spreading yourself too thin" that is smart planning. However your business model needs a serious makeover. Blogs? Give me a break. Those take years to get going and are extremely labor-intensive. You would be way better off with static websites (that include a blog for SEO purposes only).

    It is pretty much 100% guaranteed that your problem so far is really based on one or more of these factors, probably all of them:

    1. Choosing bad markets (faulty keyword research)
    2. Your landing pages suck (blogs, yuck)
    3. The products you choose to promote don't convert well (bad sales pages)

    Aside from that, affiliate marketing of digital products through long-tail keyword SEO techniques is getting tougher and tougher. That may no longer be the most solid rock to build a castle upon.

    Start well by doing good market research and decide what businesses you want to really be in. That makes everything else a whole lot easier.
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    • Profile picture of the author callumcoutts
      Originally Posted by budfox View Post

      I disgaree with everyone. I make 95% of my income from one online business and I don't like the fact that it can go down at any time and I will be left flat, with nothing, starting from ground zero again.

      I like your approach of building a diversified income source. That is not "spreading yourself too thin" that is smart planning. However your business model needs a serious makeover. Blogs? Give me a break. Those take years to get going and are extremely labor-intensive. You would be way better off with static websites (that include a blog for SEO purposes only).

      It is pretty much 100% guaranteed that your problem so far is really based on one or more of these factors, probably all of them:

      1. Choosing bad markets (faulty keyword research)
      2. Your landing pages suck (blogs, yuck)
      3. The products you choose to promote don't convert well (bad sales pages)

      Aside from that, affiliate marketing of digital products through long-tail keyword SEO techniques is getting tougher and tougher. That may no longer be the most solid rock to build a castle upon.

      Start well by doing good market research and decide what businesses you want to really be in. That makes everything else a whole lot easier.
      you didnt read the whole thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeright
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post


    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    First, focus on 1 site.

    Secondly, Instead of wasting time... Why don't you give in and try taking help of an SEO service provider... for a nominal fee you could get the traffic you wanted... Go to the Warriors For Hire here or any other forum or site and you can find good SEO specialists with proven track record. If you are smart enough you will be able to learn something out of the process plus get traffic to your site too.

    Now, you go the traffic, monetize it with products or other means.

    Remember, you pay the SEO guy once while the profit for you will be recurring. Now, move on to the next site... repeat the same. And in the meanwhile, get to know what the SEO guy does and you start working on that method on another site while the SEO professional is working on the site you paid him for. Wait and watch.

    If you follow this religiously for 3 months, I would say you will be sitting comfortably with a neat flow of funds and certainly, you will have a social life

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author vivax
      I am aware that I have to do what you guys suggested.

      That is:
      focus on one method (but what method, since none of my methods worked till now)
      choose one site that performed best (but what site, since the few sales I got came from different sites, and there isn't one performing better then the other, I made just 600$, remember?)
      do the promotion for that one site (but what else to do? when I submit it to for example digg once, I can't do it again, or can I ?)
      change the business model - huh, and how am I supposed to that?

      You all said what I have to do, and this is something I knew already.
      But my real problem is how to do it?
      How to forget everything I know and start from scratch? Learn new stuff?

      How to get traffic to my blogs?
      How to make them convert?

      example: for the keywords "abs toning system" or "solar panel building" I'm No1 on Google.
      The keywords don't get that many searches, but my traffic is around 5-10 uniqes a day, and no sales at all.

      The sites are submitted to every social bookmarking sites in social poster, social marker, the feeds are submitted with rssbot, I have some articles pointing back to them, post on forums with my signatures...etc...etc..
      still no traffic.
      I am doing something wrong, but I don't know what this is.
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      • Profile picture of the author snazzy
        Hi vivax

        One thing I noticed with your article on "solar panel building" is that the topic of the article "Why You Should Think About Solar Panel Building At Home" isn't likely to be what the searcher is looking for. The searcher would already be "sold" on the benefits of building solar panels. What he is looking for is some "how to" information - or at least proof that YOU know "how to" and why he should buy the clickbank product you're recommending.

        Maybe have a look at some of your other articles and think about whether your search terms are relevant to the topic of the articles, it may be affecting your conversion rate.
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Originally Posted by vivax View Post

        I am aware that I have to do what you guys suggested.

        That is:
        focus on one method (but what method, since none of my methods worked till now)
        choose one site that performed best (but what site, since the few sales I got came from different sites, and there isn't one performing better then the other, I made just 600$, remember?)
        do the promotion for that one site (but what else to do? when I submit it to for example digg once, I can't do it again, or can I ?)
        change the business model - huh, and how am I supposed to that?

        You all said what I have to do, and this is something I knew already.
        But my real problem is how to do it?
        How to forget everything I know and start from scratch? Learn new stuff?

        How to get traffic to my blogs?
        How to make them convert?

        example: for the keywords "abs toning system" or "solar panel building" I'm No1 on Google.
        The keywords don't get that many searches, but my traffic is around 5-10 uniqes a day, and no sales at all.

        The sites are submitted to every social bookmarking sites in social poster, social marker, the feeds are submitted with rssbot, I have some articles pointing back to them, post on forums with my signatures...etc...etc..
        still no traffic.
        I am doing something wrong, but I don't know what this is.
        @ vivax - you can read and listen to all of the suggestions, inspiration, ideologies, philosophies, encouraging words, tips, kick in the buts, humor, insults, sarcasms and at the end of the day... STILL GET NOWHERE!

        And here is why... it goes back to what I said earlier.

        "...as though there was a disconnect somewhere. In other words, although you did what you did, you didn't understand why you were doing what you were doing and most importantly... what was supposed to happen next."

        vivax, where you are is where MANY IMers find themselves! Some never get out of that frustrating and disappointing trap. And do you know why?

        BECAUSE THEY WON'T LISTEN! :confused::confused::confused:

        Honestly, vivax, you may be reading and following yourthe thread but you ARE NOT listening!

        Can you hear me now!

        Wait a second... can you hear me now!

        Hold on, I'm going to move... can you hear me NOW!

        Right now you are like...

        The promising basketball player who keeps throwing up bricks...

        The gifted quarterback who keeps throwing incomplete passes...

        The overpowering pitcher who keeps throwing balls and hitting and walking batters...

        The amazing golfer who keeps missing crucial shots...

        They dazzling tennis player with the fastest serve who keeps hitting the tennis ball out of play.

        The player everyone believes in but he or she keep losing the big games...

        Listen to, grasp, understand and comprehend your OWN WORDS...

        Originally Posted by vivax View Post

        I am doing something wrong, but I don't know what this is.
        Actually, you have been given the answer... and this is scary - but you're starting to sound like (AI) Allen Iverson. Most people recall when Coach Brown kept pushing him to practice with the team. Yet, Allen Iverson refused. His belief was - he didn't need to practice because of what he had accomplished. He kept trying to convince EVERYONE that he DID NOT need to practice... :confused:


        You've showed us everything you've done up to this point and we applaud you. You've got the mechanics right but you've been doing a lot of things wrong... that's where your problem lies! You need to understand the fundamentals of Internet Marketing, to understand what it is that you are doing wrong.

        Can you hear me now!

        But, apparently, you seem to not be interested in pressing pause, going back and learning the things you are missing.

        There are no fast, quick or easy push button answers to the issues you are facing. Learn what you need to learn and don't be a IM AI.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
          Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

          @ vivax - you can read and listen to all of the suggestions, inspiration, ideologies, philosophies, encouraging words, tips, kick in the buts, humor, insults, sarcasms and at the end of the day... STILL GET NOWHERE!

          And here is why... it goes back to what I said earlier.

          "...as though there was a disconnect somewhere. In other words, although you did what you did, you didn't understand why you were doing what you were doing and most importantly... what was supposed to happen next."

          vivax, where you are is where MANY IMers find themselves! Some never get out of that frustrating and disappointing trap. And do you know why?

          BECAUSE THEY WON'T LISTEN! :confused::confused::confused:

          Honestly, vivax, you may be reading and following yourthe thread but you ARE NOT listening!

          Can you hear me now!

          Wait a second... can you hear me now!

          Hold on, I'm going to move... can you hear me NOW!

          Right now you are like...

          The promising basketball player who keeps throwing up bricks...

          The gifted quarterback who keeps throwing incomplete passes...

          The overpowering pitcher who keeps throwing balls and hitting and walking batters...

          The amazing golfer who keeps missing crucial shots...

          They dazzling tennis player with the fastest serve who keeps hitting the tennis ball out of play.

          The player everyone believes in but he or she keep losing the big games...

          Listen to, grasp, understand and comprehend your OWN WORDS...



          Actually, you have been given the answer... and this is scary - but you're starting to sound like (AI) Allen Iverson. Most people recall when Coach Brown kept pushing him to practice with the team. Yet, Allen Iverson refused. His belief was - he didn't need to practice because of what he had accomplished. He kept trying to convince EVERYONE that he DID NOT need to practice... :confused:

          YouTube - Iverson Practice!

          You've showed us everything you've done up to this point and we applaud you. You've got the mechanics right but you've been doing a lot of things wrong... that's where your problem lies! You need to understand the fundamentals of Internet Marketing, to understand what it is that you are doing wrong.

          Can you hear me now!

          But, apparently, you seem to not be interested in pressing pause, going back and learning the things you are missing.

          There are no fast, quick or easy push button answers to the issues you are facing. Learn what you need to learn and don't be a IM AI.
          That was helpful. :rolleyes:

          Vivax, I will pm you later.
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          • Profile picture of the author vivax
            crew chief: thanks, but I don't think this is my problem.. I'm not the guy who refuses to train - I truly believe that IM is a great opportunity, but I just don't get it.

            It is not that I don't want to learn all that's necessary, I just don't have the teacher.
            This is the reason why I have spent so much on WSO's and products, hoping I will learn what I have to learn from them.
            It didn't happen.
            Well it happened to a certain point - I learned how to build websites and all the stuff that needs to be done for the web sites...
            The thing I didn't learn is how to make money with the sites I create.

            And now when you say: go back and learn what you don't know, I have to ask: and what is that? To buy another WSO or money making product?

            It is like someone told me: you are going on a journey, and to communicate you must learn A language... but not letting me know what language...so I learn just a few words from every language, and that of course is not enough to communicate at all.

            I hope you got my point: I want to learn, but I'm completely lost and alone in this.
            You guys here on WF are the only one I have
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            • Profile picture of the author dallas407
              I think what could be happening is you don't have a) the right teacher b) focus on one particular project you've learned from the right teacher.

              What I would do in your situation is:

              #1. Make sure the person I'm following really knows what they're doing (rather than just following anyone and everyone's advice)

              #2. Get an a-z plan from them, and follow it, a-z. With no other distractions. No tweaks to their plan. Just take what they say to do, and do it exactly like they say.

              This was what made me finally break through into making money online. I stopped following people who didn't know what they were talking about or who weren't teaching me the right system. I found someone who I knew was making it and who I trusted to tell me how they were making it instead of selling me something else that wouldn't work. Then I followed exactly what they had to say to a 'T' without doing anything different than what they said to do.

              3 months of solid, focused, undistracted work later, I started making a profit.

              Just my 2 cents. Hope it helps

              Originally Posted by vivax View Post

              crew chief: thanks, but I don't think this is my problem.. I'm not the guy who refuses to train - I truly believe that IM is a great opportunity, but I just don't get it.

              It is not that I don't want to learn all that's necessary, I just don't have the teacher.
              This is the reason why I have spent so much on WSO's and products, hoping I will learn what I have to learn from them.
              It didn't happen.
              Well it happened to a certain point - I learned how to build websites and all the stuff that needs to be done for the web sites...
              The thing I didn't learn is how to make money with the sites I create.

              And now when you say: go back and learn what you don't know, I have to ask: and what is that? To buy another WSO or money making product?

              It is like someone told me: you are going on a journey, and to communicate you must learn A language... but not letting me know what language...so I learn just a few words from every language, and that of course is not enough to communicate at all.

              I hope you got my point: I want to learn, but I'm completely lost and alone in this.
              You guys here on WF are the only one I have
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            • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
              @ vivax - I'm going to use another sports analogy to see if I can drive this point home. In the NFL National Football League, when new players are drafted into the league, they go to either:

              (a). A losing team
              (b). A winning team
              (c). A team trying to find itself

              If a player gets drafted to a team like the Detroit Lions, he learns how to lose. He may be a great player... but he still learns how to lose. Virtually, everything he is taught prepares him to do one thing... LOSE!

              If a player gets drafted to a team like the Indianapolis Colts, he learns how to win. He learns how to master the things - the owners, coaches and players on teams like the Detroit Lions deem as insignificant and unimportant.

              When you came into IM, you learned from people who failed to teach you the things that are CRUCIAL to your success. It's as if you were drafted into a IM team that believes, thinks, trains, coaches and plays like the Detroit Lions.

              The overwhelming belief systems of the IMers that have influenced you thus far is the very belief systems that are stifling you. And as I read your posts, it is clear to me that they have persuaded you in to taking on their losing mentality. I guarantee this; they convinced you to buy their IM MMO stuff and most of them are not making money online unless they find IM newbies they can trick into buying their wares.

              THE BOTTOM LINE: you did learn SOME things. But please grasp this next point. A NFL Team doesn't become a winning organization by grasping some things; the must be proficient in ALL areas of the game.

              In Internet Marketing, you don't become a success by grasping a few of or some of the concepts; you become a success by grasping ALL of the fundamental and crucial concepts. And the fact is, by your own admission, you a glaringly MISSING the fundamentals and the crucials. Unfortunately, the path you traveled is a path well traveled by many well meaning IM newbies.

              Originally Posted by vivax View Post

              crew chief: thanks, but I don't think this is my problem.. I'm not the guy who refuses to train - I truly believe that IM is a great opportunity, but I just don't get it.
              Actually vivax, you are refusing to train and it is your problem! At the moment you sound EXACTLY like Allen Iverson when he attempted to convince everyone, from his coach, his teammates, the media and his opponents that he didn't need to PRACTICE!

              vivax I started and oversee a IM Network Team and NONE of our Team Members have experienced what you and other similar IMers are going through. They haven't bought any of the guru ebooks or software. They don't spend months working on websites only watch in dismay as their sites produce NADA.

              And here's why... I give them a solid foundation to build on. Take a look at the requirements they MUST meet before joining our Team.

              (1). They must go through the Thirty Day Challenge

              (2). They must go through the Warrior Forum member's StevenRs Make Money Blogging! | supersimpleblogging.com training

              (3). Then they must pass a written test to confirm or deny if they have grasped and understood the concepts... and that's just the start!

              I showed you those very sites a number of posts back. Have you started the 30 Day Challenge? Or, do you feel you don't need it the same way Allen Iverson felt he didn't need to practice?
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  • Profile picture of the author cheyingtan
    Wow Vivax,

    i really impressed by what you have done. You are so hardworking, I mean it by heart, really. If it is me, sure i will quite immediately if I create so many blogs/products/article and still not making money. But you are still staying in IM, this is good.

    I am thinking the only problem you are having is the lack of "focus". Forgot everything that you have learn, really unlearn everything. Take a few days break. When you have calm down, try only 1 of the method/strategy that suit your personal strength, then keep focus your energy on that until you make money.

    Hope you will be success soon!
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  • Profile picture of the author nemesis
    I think you are doing to much - I'm there also! Trying to begin to focus and concentrate on one or two things now.
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  • Profile picture of the author userlogsin
    Wow!!!! I do not have a different answer than what is already said. Dropped in to simply appreciate the attitude of people on this forum. Man this is great..already 3 pages.

    @Vivax

    If you have trouble getting your own campaigns profitable, do some freelancing. The reason I say this is, freelancing will give you an opportunity to see what others are doing and also get you some money. With all taht you know, I am sure you wil not have a problem getting some "related" work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by userlogsin View Post

      Wow!!!! I do not have a different answer than what is already said. Dropped in to simply appreciate the attitude of people on this forum. Man this is great..already 3 pages.

      @Vivax

      If you have trouble getting your own campaigns profitable, do some freelancing. The reason I say this is, freelancing will give you an opportunity to see what others are doing and also get you some money. With all taht you know, I am sure you wil not have a problem getting some "related" work.
      No offense but do you know the definition of GURU?

      Here it is and don't ever forget it...

      GURU = Guessing Undermines Real Understanding

      OK people, all of these suggestions are amounting to guessing. What Vivax needs is to get the fundamentals of IM down.
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        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        No offense but do you know the definition of GURU?

        Here it is and don't ever forget it...

        GURU = Guessing Undermines Real Understanding

        OK people, all of these suggestions are amounting to guessing. What Vivax needs is to get the fundamentals of IM down.
        this is my favourite guru..

        YouTube - malcolm tucker
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      • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
        Hej Vivax
        Maybe it is time you face that you are on a Goose chase. Here´s what I think:


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        I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
        my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and
        ...


        Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.


        Trying to generate traffic where there is none is uphill all the time. Results will be microscopic. If doing niche stuff you need to target areas that have existing traffic. If doing microniche stuff, put less effort in - make your site and move on- become a factory. But, as you declare yourself exhausted, I would not go that way now.


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        I've learned a lot, but it is obviously not enough.
        I did all the mentioned techniques for all of my sites, I don't have the budget to outsource anything, so I did it myself and spend a lot of time and energy on that.
        For example, it takes me three days to bookmark just one site to all the social bookmarking sites.. then it takes hours to write articles, make the videos and so on..
        remember, I've been doing it for over a year and nothing happens, so I'm getting pretty tired.
        Maybe I should really take a break.


        You do (or did) have a budget. The time you spent. The thousand or so you spent on IM stuff. Deep inside, you know (and probably knew) that the basic knowledge you needed to get going was (and is) available for free out there. I suggest you were looking for magic bullets when buying these WSO´s. Shortcuts. The easy way. Help me. Show me the trick. Do it for me.


        At the same time you dedicate yourself to the most tedious and extremely boring of all IM tasks. Linkbuilding, bookmarking.

        Ugh. These are instruments of torture within our biz and you spend your days at it? That is self-torture. Beating your head against a locked door when you know there is another one open just beside it because beating your head is... a sacrifice.. or something? I think this goes hand in hand with the help me, I need you guys, show me how, you are all I have.. mentality. Get over it. Stop whining. Noone will pity the self-torturer. Nobody will truly feel sorry for you. You don´t need us and not a single one of us really has more than a few words to give for free. Less and less in fact, the more you urgently request them


        Anyway, the three days of bookmarking and the hours you spend on making articles.. that´s A LOT OF TIME which will give extremely little result since your niches (based on your site examples) are either traffic dead or mis-targeted (and not very well done). All this time is put to marketing someone elses product.


        Since you are not doing well in this area I suggest you drop ALL of that and only work on creating your own stuff that you can sell, and that others can sell for you. This may be articles, e-books, flipping sites, etc. At this point (since you are tired of it and not seeing much success) I would not produce any IM related products. Focus on producing products that interest you and start by selling those.


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        I am aware that I have to do what you guys suggested.


        That is:
        focus on one method (but what method, since none of my methods worked till now)
        choose one site that performed best (but what site, since the few sales I got came from different sites, and there isn't one performing better then the other, I made just 600$, remember?)
        do the promotion for that one site (but what else to do? when I submit it to for example digg once, I can't do it again, or can I ?)
        change the business model - huh, and how am I supposed to that?


        You all said what I have to do, and this is something I knew already.
        But my real problem is how to do it?
        How to forget everything I know and start from scratch? Learn new stuff?


        How to get traffic to my blogs?
        How to make them convert?


        You ask too many questions when you already know the answer. Your sites are not performing because they aren´t that good. Drop them off your radar and go for something else.


        example: for the keywords "abs toning system" or "solar panel building" I'm No1 on Google.
        The keywords don't get that many searches, but my traffic is around 5-10 uniqes a day, and no sales at all.


        The sites are submitted to every social bookmarking sites in social poster, social marker, the feeds are submitted with rssbot, I have some articles pointing back to them, post on forums with my signatures...etc...etc..
        still no traffic.
        I am doing something wrong, but I don't know what this is.


        This is a good example. "solar panel building" .. it wont matter if you are NR.1 - there is no traffic there. And even if you get some - that site is not very good. It doesn´t get my juices pumping as a home owner. I hope you can see this. You have a couple of articles and link to clickbank through banners... Drop it, or sell it. It will not be worth your while to continue working on it. If this site is a good model of what you have been doing.. bite the sour grape and drop that whole setup.
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        It is not that I don't want to learn all that's necessary, I just don't have the teacher.


        I hope you got my point: I want to learn, but I'm completely lost and alone in this.
        You guys here on WF are the only one I have


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        OK guys, I',ve decided: I'm not quitting!


        I am going back to my clickbank ebook, I just have to figure out what is it that I could do next, that I haven't done already. I will leave all my other sites alone for now and just focus on my product.
        Wish me luck and inspiration cause I'm very confused right now.


        I made the decision this morning, opened up my laptop with determination to go on working... and after an hour or so found myself just sitting in front of the computer thinking: what now? What should I do next?


        Stop asking what to do and where to go. Either do it or don´t. Drop the self-torturing "ouch.. banging head.. anyone know how to stop?.. " attitude. You don´t need anyone to hold your hand and none of us can really help you.


        Here´s a final thought on this part:
        ... and after an hour or so found myself just sitting in front of the computer thinking: what now? What should I do next?


        This is procrastination which often comes from lack of reward. Monetary or emotional. If I felt this way I would ask myself if I believe in my products, or in what I have achieved. I´m guessing you don´t. If you feel your product sucks, stop working on it to no use. Drop it and create a new one that is better.


        Here´s a couple of lines from one of my products:


        "Failure is a good thing if we can face it, and accept it. Failure is bad if we reject it and fail to let it stop us before damage has been done."


        Failure is not defeat. You need to face failure more often and back away from poor projects at a earlier stage - instead of trying to make dead seeds grow.

        You seem to have a willingness to put in time. That is THE most essential part of being successful. So be happy with the knowledge that you have this very essential ingredient and set it to work on one, or just a few projects. And.. if they do not satisfy your expectation within reasonable time, take a step back and see if maybe you are watering another dead seed. As soon as you have one that shows life - see if you can get it growing strong before planting any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    Vivax, I would not say you are stupid or untalented. One of the big problems I see with IM is not enough is usually given in the lower price courses to get past a certain point. Even some of the higher priced courses.

    Another huge hurdle is getting enough backlinks from good places. Bookmarks tend to fall off quickly, so it is best to get backlinks a variety of ways.

    You have done more than probably a third or more of the visitors to the warrior forum will do. It was good to ask for suggestions. It can get very discouraging. Don't be hard on yourself, The majority get stuck at times along the way without a roadmap.

    So you have gotten the message to focus, but what to do now???? Crew Cheif had two websites that would help you. In addition:

    I think your ebook at clickbank would be a good choice to work on next. I say this because if you can get conversions to a acceptable percentage, you can go after affiliates who will do a lot of the traffic generating for you.

    When I check candidayeastexposed.com, Yahoo has Inlinks of 111 and Google Results about 279. For a niche like that, you are going to need a lot more backlinks.

    For your competition on the keyword candida yeast, yeastconnection.com - Inlinks in yahoo -1,765 and is #3 in Google. See the difference?

    Backlinks serve a couple purposes. Search engines like backlinks, they are like a vote from another website, which in time accumulates moving you up the rankings. In additon, in the right place they will bring you fresh traffic, interested in your topic. You probably know that.

    Refer to what you have purchased and search here on the forum about backlinks and go to work getting backlinks. I always prefer paying for some packages, rather than doing it myself, although I do it myself do at times.... It can be a big energy and time drain doing it all by yourself.

    Some backlinks packages can take 2 or 3 months for Google to find most of them, so it is a gradual thing. Don' get discouraged, just keep up some links.

    If you don't want to do backlinks, then you have the choice of advertising on other sites to get traffic or use pay per click advertising. Your choice, but start small and work up if you choose to do those.

    If you like to write articles, continue to write articles to put on your candida sites and some in the directories. Are there more directories you have not used, or isnare.com, that you could use to post ones you already have up?

    We have a copywriting forum here. Ask in there for suggestions on bettering the copywriting of your sales letter. Make changes and see if it converts better.

    When you get good conversion for that site, then go after affiliates. Do searches on the forum for those topics and look into what you have purchased, without buying any more info.

    So that is
    1.Backlinks
    2. Copywriting
    3. Work on conversion
    4. Get affiliates.

    Also your blog candidadieoff.info - host it on another server if you are not. Your backlinks to the clickbank site will count a little bit more. Take off the dieting material. It does not belong there. Focus on Candida. Do some spell checking. I am not a good speller, but I see several misspells.

    I hope that has been helpful.

    Jeannie



    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.

    ...my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmyab
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. .

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    Here's a suggestion... DON'T QUIT!

    In your heading you said "...but after more then a year of failure I am about to quit IM!"

    The only real failure is the "failure to participate" - quitting is our real failure.

    Sure it's not easy... but why waste 2 years of incredible learning. Bet you'd be amazed at what you know now compared to back then.

    All you gotta do is "press on toward the goal" ... and this is coming from someone in a very similar position!

    So... why not take the very best strategy from your list of 'tried', then hone it, test it and get it to make just $1 ... if you can make $1, then get it to make $10... then $20 you see where Im going here right...

    Get really, really good at just one strategy...thats where you'll see your reward!

    Press on friend...
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  • Profile picture of the author kb24
    I have been following this post I know in alot of posts talk about stick to one thing. I have just been doing article marketing. I have made a few sales from doing it. I thought about outsourcing my article writing but to me its a hit or miss in terms of getting sales and I dont want to be wasting money outsourcing articles. plus its not really a good business model. I'm not quitting I just got to step back and figure out a better business model..I will keep following this post great advice..
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Wow, you seem to have tried everything! Maybe that could be the problem is that you spread out too much that you don't focus on one thing.

    For example many people say quality is better than quantity. It's good to make the most of your time but sometimes when you take on too many things you lose your focus on the other projects.

    You might want to create a concise business plan at least you won't be doing one thing and then dumping it for another then dumping that to move on again.

    I guess in live nothing is easy; that's just the way it is! But hard work, wisdom, being prudent, and preserverance will help a lot. I guess you already worked hard but you might want to try to focus onto one thing.

    Just my suggestion, I struggle with this issue as well. I tend to expand too fast before building a good foundation. AS with everything you need a good foundation to expand but it's just so hard and so tempting to keep moving on.

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  • Profile picture of the author vivax
    Originally Posted by denningmedia View Post

    Hi, sent you a PM
    thanks for all your PM's, but I can't reply to them, so please leave an email.

    OK guys, I',ve decided: I'm not quitting!

    I am going back to my clickbank ebook, I just have to figure out what is it that I could do next, that I haven't done already. I will leave all my other sites alone for now and just focus on my product.
    Wish me luck and inspiration cause I'm very confused right now.

    I made the decision this morning, opened up my laptop with determination to go on working... and after an hour or so found myself just sitting in front of the computer thinking: what now? What should I do next?
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by vivax View Post

      thanks for all your PM's, but I can't reply to them, so please leave an email.

      OK guys, I',ve decided: I'm not quitting!

      I am going back to my clickbank ebook, I just have to figure out what is it that I could do next, that I haven't done already. I will leave all my other sites alone for now and just focus on my product.
      Wish me luck and inspiration cause I'm very confused right now.

      I made the decision this morning, opened up my laptop with determination to go on working... and after an hour or so found myself just sitting in front of the computer thinking: what now? What should I do next?
      @ vivax - it's good to see that you are not quitting!

      Now please read your OWN words again...

      Originally Posted by vivax View Post

      Wish me luck and inspiration cause I'm very confused right now.

      I made the decision this morning, opened up my laptop with determination to go on working... and after an hour or so found myself just sitting in front of the computer thinking: what now? What should I do next?
      Vivax, a trained, experienced and knowledgeable IMer DOES NOT:

      (a). sit at their computer wondering what to do next
      (b). get confused about IM
      (c). run around grasping at straws
      (d). play the guessing game at how to get traffic
      (e). get stuck in the midst of a marketing campaign
      (f). roll the dice on niches
      (g). guess at keywords
      (h). wonder if they chose the right keywords
      (i). depend on luck to succeed
      (j). make the SAME mistakes over and over again and again
      (k). remain cloudy about how to obtain traffic
      (l). waste money buying worthless ebooks and useless software
      (m). contemplate quitting
      (n). spend time wondering if they are going to succeed
      (o). spend time wondering if the work they put in is going to pay off
      (p). spend long hours performing tasks they could easily automate with very small investments
      (q). exert massive amounts of energy for peanuts and pauper
      (r). cross their fingers and hope for traffic
      (s). wonder why their CTR is so low

      I challenge ANYONE to refute those statements about a trained, experienced and knowledgeable Internet Marketer.

      All of the aforementioned symptoms are indicative of a person who is improperly trained. You say that you are not rejecting the training issue but the evidence, (your own words) says different.

      Proper training ELIMINATES confusion!

      Can you hear me now?

      If you are going to succeed in this business, you want to be a...Trained, experienced and knowledgeable IMer


      Can you hear me now?

      The ROOT cause of your issue is TRAINING!

      As I stated in previous posts, you have yet to grasp how ALL of the pieces of the puzzle fit together.

      You have yet to do that.

      Consequently, as long as you keep grasping at straws and following after well meant suggestions and piece meal solutions... your current inability to break past mediocrity is going to continue.

      Can you hear me now?

      To succeed at organic traffic you must be able to successfully engage in and perform these tasks...

      KRAFT = Keyword Research Aggressive Ferreting Tactics
      FAN = Ferociously Analyzing Niches
      ISOCU = Intense Strength of Competition Umpire
      SEO = Search Engine Optimization
      OHSEO = Overtaking Hijacking Search Engine Optimization
      CEO = Constantly Evaluating Opposition
      BAM = Building a Network
      OBT = Obtaining Tactical Backlinks

      Can you hear me now?

      How long will you reject the reality that your issue is proper training?
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  • Profile picture of the author davidfstyles
    IM is a business and the learning curve can be big. I'd suggest focusing on something you love to do... and aim to make just $1 out of it. That's how I started and am now F/T on the net.
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  • Profile picture of the author lenyjay
    Vivax -

    Wow - you've been thru a lot!!

    I felt the same way for several months and wanted to throw in the towel! - but I kept plugging away - I made my 1st sale this last christmas - made only $12 - i promoted an amazon product with a squidoo lense. Even though the sale was small amount - it convinced me that it is possible to make money online!
    I still work my full time job(50+ hrs/week), spend time with the wife and kids, take the kids to soccer / baseball practice.... The only time I have for myself is late at night - during this time, I spend learning the business. For me - I realize that to make it in this business - I needed to educate myself, dedicate time to work the business and concentrate & focus on one system.

    I'm glad to see that you are not quitting - hang in there!

    Good Luck and best wishes in your journey to success!!

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  • Profile picture of the author Pragun
    Vivax, seems to me that you've tried a little bit of everything without actually focussing your efforts singularly in one particular direction.

    Looking at all the articles you've submitted, you could've easily been a freelance article writer, made 200 bucks (which should take a week, tops) and then used the money to get into website flipping.

    Had you done that, you would've reached a monthly income of a 1000-1500 bucks withing the first two months itself !
    AND, you'd be surprised at how it grows once you've reached that threshold...
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    For what is worth I will help you if I can!!!! send me your sites info. let me look at them.
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  • Profile picture of the author vivax
    I'm not rejecting reality.I am well aware that I need proper training, I just don't have the trainer and money to spend on expensive membership sites and coaching programs. I've already spent enough on wso's and courses wanting to get the training, but either the coach was bad or I am.

    I've been through the Thirty day Challenge, and I know about StevenR courses, although I am not a war room member, I got the super simple blogging and the stealth blogging course, I went through them several times.
    Maybe I should just start over with them since you think it covers the basics that I don't have.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I went through them several times.
      Went through them....or TRIED them? There's a difference.

      Whether you are following simple blogging or going through the 30 day challenge, it's not enough to read what is there. There will be times you need to google something you don't understand and learn about it and then go back to the procedure you are following. It may take you 60-90 days to fully do everything in the 30 day program. What is important is that you do it all. Doing is the best trainer you have.

      So many times I've tried to help someone who says "this doesn't work" only to find they had a ten step program and did only 5 steps because they didn't understand the other steps or because they found those steps boring or time consuming. Many of them never went beyond the first two steps before deciding "it's not working".

      I don't agree with those who think everyone needs a coach. All of the instruction you need is available for free online. If your attitude is that you are going to try one thing or another, you won't succeed. You have to make the decision to choose one thing and do it until you get it right.

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      • Profile picture of the author vivax
        well,
        of all the options and possibilities for earning money online, I know what I want.
        There are actually two things:

        Sell my clickbank ebook - one sale a day will bring me 33 $
        Have a high ranking blog promoting an afilliate product with 25$ commissions and make one sale a day.

        And there are my 50$ a day.

        I have the product, and I have the blogs, but I don't have the sales, and I really don't know how to get them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Kay, thank you much for your words of wisdom.

        There is obviously a DISCONNECT and too many people commenting on this thread who are making these GURU type of suggestions are in a state of absolute DENIAL. Their suggestions, guesses and what ifs are only serving to further push vivax further away from fulfilling her dreams.

        I JUST got off the the phone with a gentlemen I hadn't spoken to in about a year. He was sluggishly hammering away at Internet Marketing and getting nowhere fast. After launching yet another website that went nowhere, he calls me again out of the sky blue asking for help.

        His last words to me were somewhere along the lines of, "Giles, I hear what you're saying but I'm going to sell enough of these gem dandies to quit my job and then yada, yada, yada..."

        It took everything I had not to read him the RIOT act. A year ago after performing KRAFT = Keyword Research Aggressive Ferreting Tactics on his product, I advised him not to enter into that specific niche because it was a DEAD END.

        It had and still has a LSV Low Search Volume, low CPC Cost Per Click and most of the searchers seeking information fit a bracket of education that weren't going to be buying any Clickbank products no matter how spiffy the sales pages were.

        They also knew enough not to click on any Adsense ads or CPA offers. They knew the best information about this health issue was provided FREE of CHARGE by REAL Doctors and by REAL Medical practitioners. Nevertheless, this bonehead didn't listen!

        Even after telling me that he understood what I shared with him concerning the KRAFT results.

        In essence; he spent the past year pushing a brick laden wheelbarrow up the hill on a 39% incline in torrential rain.

        Now, after all of the humping and struggling for NOTHING, now he says he ready to learn

        @ vivax, I have a simple test that will reveal your level of knowledge in a critical area of IM. Are you willing to take it?

        And not behind the scenes, I'm talking about right here on this thread?

        No PMs and No e-mails.

        Are you willing to take the test?

        Answer please... Warrior Forum members are awaiting your response...


        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Went through them....or TRIED them? There's a difference.

        Whether you are following simple blogging or going through the 30 day challenge, it's not enough to read what is there. There will be times you need to google something you don't understand and learn about it and then go back to the procedure you are following. It may take you 60-90 days to fully do everything in the 30 day program. What is important is that you do it all. Doing is the best trainer you have.

        So many times I've tried to help someone who says "this doesn't work" only to find they had a ten step program and did only 5 steps because they didn't understand the other steps or because they found those steps boring or time consuming. Many of them never went beyond the first two steps before deciding "it's not working".

        I don't agree with those who think everyone needs a coach. All of the instruction you need is available for free online. If your attitude is that you are going to try one thing or another, you won't succeed. You have to make the decision to choose one thing and do it until you get it right.

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        • Profile picture of the author vivax
          chief, of course I am ready to take the test.
          As the matter of fact I would like to see how much or high little I know, and I never got a chance to be tested by someone who knows the stuff
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            Originally Posted by vivax View Post

            chief, of course I am ready to take the test.
            As the matter of fact I would like to see how much or high little I know, and I never got a chance to be tested by someone who knows the stuff
            @ vivax - there is going to be a series of tests. Just answer each one to the best of your ability. AND, answer it from what you know at this very moment.

            To everyone, please DO NOT provide the answers, hints or suggestions no matter how tempted you may be. That being said, here we go...


            Test #1

            What Are Your Steps For Perform Keyword Research?

            Step #1
            Step #2
            Step #3
            Step #4
            Step #5
            Step #6

            So forth and so on. However may steps you have or take, list them all. If you use any software applications, list them all. But remember: list them as part of the steps. For example, "In Step #3 I use the Zing Zap tool to do such and such.

            Please be specific while being brief.


            __________________________________________________ ___________

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            • Profile picture of the author vivax
              ok, here it goes:

              1. when I choose the niche I want to promote I pick one general keyword and type it in google keywords tool
              2. look for related keywords containing minimum three words
              3. the competiton bar must not be full
              4. exact phrase search at least 1000/month
              5. google results in quotes under 100 000
              6. traffic travis rates ranking difficulty "easy" or "relatively easy"
              7. check the "buying intention" of the keyword with
              adlab.msn. com/online-commercial-intention/
              8. look on godaddy if there is a .com, .net, .org domain available

              If the criteria are met I register the domain with the keywords in it. I did make some mistakes with some of domains, but this is my general rule I follow.
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            • Profile picture of the author lenyjay
              chief -

              I like your hard nose approach! Thank you - I too realize that I needed training to get to the next level - this thread is definitely part of my training and learning experience!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fallen_Angel
    Nothing worth accomplishing in life is easy.

    Are you truly applying the information from the products and services you have purchased?

    Maybe your belief system is problem. Do you believe you will be successful?
    If what your doing is not working, do you try new things or keep doing same non producing things?

    There are thousands of ways to profit online, there IS NO MAGIC WAND that you wave and voila your a millionaire.

    I suggest

    1) Believe in your product
    2)get a professional sales copy writer to write you a sales page and ad
    3)believe in yourself - believe you will be a success
    4)FOCUS on one type of promotion at first
    a tree starts as a seed only when its grown up does it branch out develop your roots
    ie blogs, articles, ads, social media, email, sms etc.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    Vivax, Do you have an outline of what to do step by step for your sites and marketing?
    Do you make yourself a to do list for each day? Do you set time limits on how long to spend on each item on your checklist per day?

    Spend no more than 1 1/2 to 2 hours and then get up for a 15 minute break. It helps you keep from getting burnt out.

    If you don't guide and discipline yourself, it can stretch out into inaction and confusion.
    Following a checklist gives you a series of things to do, and in time leads to a completed project that is working well.

    You have done the learning for the most part. Now make your self a roadmap. Make your checklists. Step by step. It cuts way back on confusion and indecision.

    This is the difference between working for someone else that tells you what to do each step of the way and working for yourself. YOU have to set up the agenda and then follow it, motivating yourself.

    If you cannot do that, you most likely will continue as you are.

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    • Profile picture of the author vivax
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      Vivax, Do you have an outline of what to do step by step for your sites and marketing?
      I do, but my checklist is not very long. When I do everything that I KNOW about promoting a website I hit the wall. What next?
      Then I just jump to another blog, and do the same till I hit the wall again.
      I know, that's my main mistake, I have to do everything for just one site, but what is this "everything" ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
        There is where your confusion is coming from. You don't create the big picture in your mind. Start writing out the steps you do know. This is the start of your system you will put together.

        Then start another thread. Put in your list and what you told me below and ask people if they would share their to do list, their steps for getting a site started and marketed and then on to getting traffic. That will give you some ideas.

        Tought love: And stop telling yourself you don't know what to do. That only compounds the problem. Your subconcious believes what ever you say literally. Tell yourself I may not know what to do at this moment, but I am going to find the answers and follow through.

        Jeannie


        Originally Posted by vivax View Post

        I do, but my checklist is not very long. When I do everything that I KNOW about promoting a website I hit the wall. What next?
        Then I just jump to another blog, and do the same till I hit the wall again.
        I know, that's my main mistake, I have to do everything for just one site, but what is this "everything" ?
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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        vivax,

        You start with YOUR goal, which you have stated as being, selling TWO products one time a day.

        So, the question is, WHO are you going to sell them too? Where do they come from? WHY would they want the product you offer? What problem does it solve for them?

        The END result, the goal...determines what the "everything" you do IS.

        There is a another thread you should read (especially MY response) and the heading for that thread is:

        Where should a newbie focus their attention when starting out?

        I'm "somewhat" in agreement with the TRAINING guy, although, it appears that is his background. But before training, you have to have a reason to train. A purpose. A motivation.

        The QUESTIONS I pose, should you choose to answer them honestly to yourself, will help you get back to Square One, which is the WHAT DO YOU WANT? question.

        Regarding your product selection, are they currently being sold on ClickBank, that is, do they have a sales page which makes sales for other people? IF so, then the traffic you are sending to that site, and is NOT converting, is poor traffic. They either have no interest in it or there is some reason.

        So part of EVERTHING you do, one is to generate traffic. Generate specific traffic, via Bum Marketing, Article Marketing, social networking...all FREE things you can do and as for having the money to afford "training", geez OW, the WF has everthing you need for free...to to the All in ONE threads and start to put the advice into action today.

        Now, this is just one man's opinion, but we see these kind of posts every week, and I believe the reason for so much frustration, so much failure, so much emotional turmoil, IS, because,

        you are putting the cart before the horse.

        INSTEAD of trying to GET. To make the money. To sell stuff. To PROFIT...

        what have you got to give? To GIVE? IF the products you are trying to sell people have quality information, then that might be a fair exchange, a good transaction.

        But, and again, just MY opinion, I think your head is in the wrong place, and until that gets straightend out, all the training, all the knowledge, all the mentoring in the world isn't going to help you or anybody else on the forum.

        Good luck.

        gjabiz

        PS. Here is a link to a short eBook which may help you, or may not.

        http://www.angelfire.com/biz/gjbiz/byba2010a.pdf









        Originally Posted by vivax View Post

        I do, but my checklist is not very long. When I do everything that I KNOW about promoting a website I hit the wall. What next?
        Then I just jump to another blog, and do the same till I hit the wall again.
        I know, that's my main mistake, I have to do everything for just one site, but what is this "everything" ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by vivax View Post

    I've started this adventure back in 2008 knowing nothing about IM.
    From October 2008 I've been sitting in front of my computer for at least 8 hours every day.. I do it during my regular job, and in all my free time at home. I neglected my social life, but I really need that additional income..
    my goal? not millions, just 50$ a day, and I can't get to it no matter what I do. So far I 've spent a few thousands on different courses, WSO's and PPC, PPV advertising, and made until now just 600$. In over a year!

    Am I really that stupid or completely untalented for IM ?

    In short here's what I did:

    - 20 blogs in different niches about clickbank products
    - 5 amazon product blogs
    - over 100 articles on ezinearticles and articlesbase
    - on page SEO, keyword research, Lsi keywords and all that stuff
    - review blogs for IM product launches
    - yahoo answers
    - forums with links
    - document uploads
    - videos
    - own clickbank product (4 sales)
    - article submission with article bot
    - feed submission with rss bot
    - press releases
    - ppv for email/zip CPA offers
    - ppc, adwords and clicksor
    - advertising on buysell ads
    - all the social bookmarking
    - squidoo, hubpages, xanga, bloger...

    There is probably something I've forgot, but I've had it enough.
    50$ a day seems like a mission impossible to me, and I really don't know what else shoud I do.

    Btw, my main problem is traffic... not one of my sites gets more then 50 uniques a day.

    any suggestions?
    You got waaaay too much going on at one time. You're in 20 different niches attempting to sell clickbank products, at the same time trying to sell at least 5 different amazon products, and your own product.

    If you tried doing 5 different jobs in your day job at the same time, would you be able to get anything done? I doubt it, unless you happen to have the abilities of a Marvel Comics superhero.

    So why are you doing the same thing here?

    Here's what I would do if I were you: Ditch all the surrounding bull****, and focus on getting traffic to the product that got you the 4 sales. Make it your mission to sell that product, and sell that product only! Do nothing else but work that like a rented mule, and you might get somewhere.

    You're working too hard, scale it back and work smart instead.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The only people who make it sound easy are those who have something to sell.

    The rest of us work hard to make things happen.

    When I first started, I was working 60 hours a week, and giving every non-sleeping, non-eating moment to my business. And it took me three years to see my first year of real progress.

    It was not the lack of effort that held me back, but the lack of meaningful knowledge.

    Had I quit after one year, I'd still be working 60 hours a week, for my measly $1800 month, with zero hope for a better future for myself and my family.

    That was ten years ago, and I have not had a job for five of them.

    I thank God that I was not thinking about quitting after only one year.

    A lot of people make the mistake of believing that organic traffic is the only way to go... But organic traffic is the Slow Boat To China approach.

    Paid traffic will get you to the Gold faster. Organic traffic will come when you have invested enough effort and given it enough time.
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstay09
    Iv'e found that with Internet Marketing you really need to keep plugging away, you can have good days and bad days, but a good way iv'e found to keep making a steady income is to have a basic plan, write it down and try to stick to it, as long as you stick to the plan I think you can have success with an IM Business, but it does take time to build a recurring income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavin Stephenson
    It is easy. Just focus on list building. I don't see anyone talking about list building. I don't think a newbie should start anywhere else.

    1. Building a list
    2. Develop a relationship with that list (Give them great free content)
    3. sell the stuff.
    Geezz it's not that hard.

    Everything else is irrelevant and I believe to be way to advance for someone that hasn't made much sales.

    It will take a bit of time to build a list but you have to be a complete dummy to fail with list building.
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    • Profile picture of the author vivax
      I have a list of over 500 subscribers, but they don't even open the follow up messages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
      Originally Posted by GavinStephenson View Post

      It is easy. Just focus on list building. I don't see anyone talking about list building. I don't think a newbie should start anywhere else.

      1. Building a list
      2. Develop a relationship with that list (Give them great free content)
      3. sell the stuff.
      Geezz it's not that hard.

      Everything else is irrelevant and I believe to be way to advance for someone that hasn't made much sales.

      It will take a bit of time to build a list but you have to be a complete dummy to fail with list building.
      Yeah, it made a refreshing change to not see anybody spouting the same old regurgitated bad advice, but oh well. Collecting emails from the eskimos you just tried to sell ice to doesn't suddenly make them want ice. List building is the last thing someone needs to worry about when they still don't understand the basics of selling.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gavin Stephenson
        Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

        Yeah, it made a refreshing change to not see anybody spouting the same old regurgitated bad advice, but oh well. Collecting emails from the eskimos you just tried to sell ice to doesn't suddenly make them want ice. List building is the last thing someone needs to worry about when they still don't understand the basics of selling.
        If you referring to a building a buyers list I totally understand... But building a free list Nah...

        Bad advice... Nah.. It's my opinion. The words Adeel Chowdrey, Jani G, Reed Floren "Gavin stop focusing on making money and focus on building a list and a relationship with that list" <-- life changing words.

        I am just passing on what worked for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        @ EVERYONE reading this thread

        Can we all agree that all of these suggestions, (no matter how great) HAVE NOT HELPED Vivax?

        Can we also ALL agree to stop offering up these great ideas, brilliant suggestions and easy ways to make money online and help her become a trained, experienced and seasoned Internet Market who succeeds at what she is doing?

        Can we ALL agree on that?

        Puhleeez for the LOVE of GOD!



        Originally Posted by GavinStephenson View Post

        It is easy. Just focus on list building. I don't see anyone talking about list building. I don't think a newbie should start anywhere else.

        1. Building a list
        2. Develop a relationship with that list (Give them great free content)
        3. sell the stuff.
        Geezz it's not that hard.

        Everything else is irrelevant and I believe to be way to advance for someone that hasn't made much sales.

        It will take a bit of time to build a list but you have to be a complete dummy to fail with list building.
        Gavin, please go back and re-read the thread in its entirety. You just offered up like the umpteenth guaranteed to work solution. After you re-read the thread, then read the response by L Wilson.

        Thanking you in advance for your cooperation.

        Originally Posted by L Wilson View Post

        Yeah, it made a refreshing change to not see anybody spouting the same old regurgitated bad advice, but oh well. Collecting emails from the eskimos you just tried to sell ice to doesn't suddenly make them want ice. List building is the last thing someone needs to worry about when they still don't understand the basics of selling.
        Thank you L Wilson for that insight! Now if we can get EVERYONE thinking like that, we'll get Vivax on track!

        Can we all agree on that?


        P.S. The next question is coming up shortly.

        And by the way, each question is worth 20 points, there are five Test Questions and you'll need to score 100% to pass the test.

        Once all of your answers are gathered, I'll post all of them in "1" post with the responses and your test score.

        And most importantly, I'll post the correct answers.

        Can everyone get on board and let's help Vivax? I mean really help her so that when it's all said and done - she walks away knowing how to make money online?
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        • Profile picture of the author kml
          I'm certainly a noob and haven't even launched anything but this is a fantastic thread!

          I've made my career in IT information and it sounds like you have an "information overload" problem. Many people have rightly said you need to "focus". You obviously have a lot of knowledge which is certainly not a waste in any way.

          Based on my noob experience and looking at your sites, I think you need to revisit keyword analysis. I think you need some rewrite. Certainly not bad content, just needs some more "cohesion".

          I just watched the super simple blog thing and that's excellent info as well as the 30 day challenge. Why not redo those exercises again? As an IT guy, I can't remember all the info, acronyms, SQL logic/statements, etc that I've learned over the years - I HAVE to revisit that now and then.

          Cut the information flow DRASTICALLY. Stop buying any more info products!!!

          About a year ago I was time-crunched for a programming project. I ended up recoding stuff I never should have since I was exhausted, stressed out, pissed off, etc.

          When you hit a wall, it's VERY important to STOP BANGING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL. STOP!. Take a break. Get some fresh air, turn off the effing TV, just do something that brings you enjoyment OFFLINE. Disconnect from the web for a bit. If you can work in some type of exercise - EVEN BETTER.

          A couple of audiobooks that have reinforced my decision to quit my job that may help you get back to some passion, reassessment, and some good information:

          The Answer - John Assaraf, Murray Smith - TOTALLY a must - reboot your life in every way

          Crush It - Gary Vaynerchuck - all about passion

          4 hour work week - Tim Ferris - good info - if you get past that the guy can be an egotistical jerk.

          All great things come from sacrifice, risk, and most importantly passion. Sounds like you just need a break - get out of the whirlpool for bit. Go for a hike - mother nature has some great healing properties that many people take for granted or just ignore.

          Sometimes it's hard to realize your doing a Sisyphus (the dude pushing the rock up the hill). We all need a CTRL-ALT-DELETE at some point - I think now's your time to do that.

          You'll do fine - just get out of the pool for awhile...
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            @ Vivax - Test Question #2


            What is the purpose of SOC and how do you measure it?
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            • Profile picture of the author vivax
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              @ Vivax - Test Question #2


              What is the purpose of SOC and how do you measure it?
              honestly, I've never heard about SOC.
              Is there another name for this?
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              • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                @ Vivax - Test Question #3

                What is the Purpose of Backlinks and How Do You Determine How Many You Need?
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                  Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

                  @ Vivax - Test Question #3

                  What is the Purpose of Backlinks and How Do You Determine How Many You Need?


                  backlinks are "virtual votes" for your website and the more backlinks you have pointing to your site the more important your site looks to search engines and they rank your site better. The anchor tekst of the backlinks should be the targeted keyword.

                  To determine how many backlinks I need:
                  I type my targeted keyword into google, and check how many backlinks there are for the first 3-5 results.
                  I usually use Backlinkchecker for this. Their results show me how many backlinks do I need.
                  I have recently enrolled a few of my sites in the Jonathan Legger, 3way links program, to get more backlinks, untl now I have just bookmarked the sites, used forum signatures and blog commenting.
                  I also put a link to every new blog I made to the blogs already up.
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              • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
                Originally Posted by unlimitedsubmissions View Post

                SOC is a term invented by a few Guru's to help sell a software. It's based on the number of competing pages for a KW and is highly inaccurate.

                It's good that you don't know what this is.

                Next question please? :p
                OK folks, a little more clean up before we proceed with the other test questions for Vivax. And remember, she started this thread to figure out what she was doing wrong. She did not start this thread to guess at what she is doing wrong.

                unlimitedsubmissions states that it's good that you don't know what SOC is:confused: Wrong... a thousand times wrong. SOC existed way before the Internet evolved into what it is today!

                Most already know that SOC is the acronym for:

                Strength Of Competition


                Virtually everything in life has a SOC! SOC exists in the NFL, NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL, in admission into the top colleges, in cookooffs, in the dating game, in sales, in the Olympics, in running for political offices, in applying for jobs... I could go on and on.

                SOC exists in inventing products and improving products, SOC exists in getting ranked on Amazon.com's best sellers list, it exists on getting on the New York Times best seller's list, it exists with pharmaceutical companies producing medicines, it exists with various cities and states competing to land major employers and...

                SOC exists in Internet Marketing



                The bottom line is this; if you don't know SOC, then you don't know... shut your mouth!


                Secondly, and this is also for the benefit of all. The WF can be an awesome place to learn. The caveat is, as long as you learn the vetting process of ferreting out posters who are wantonly trying to build up their post count by any means necessary or are clearly hell bent on hijacking the thread, marketing their wares, arguing, debating, spamming, flaming, or engaging in IMG Internet Marketing Guessing.

                If you are serious about succeeding in IM and serious about dramatically reducing your learning curve while steadily increasing your income - learn to recognize when a poster is merely posting for the aforementioned reasons.

                For example, everyone reading this thread should have figured out by now that Vivax desires to succeed in IM. But she is apparently is missing something. So the question is, "Do we guess at what she is missing or probe and investigate to determine?

                We have a lot of posters who would rather engage in IMG as opposed to getting down to the ROOT cause of her issues. Those are the posters you need to identify and disregard. I'll be back with the next question shortly.

                @ Vivax, you're almost DONE!
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  • Profile picture of the author delvis
    How many of your sites are in the top 5 of google for their keyword phrase? What level of competition are you up against- how many competing pages when doing a search in quotes? Stick to under 50,000.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGuruHub
    My goodness, you've got talent and experience. You are doing the same thing that most of us have done at one point or another so don't be too discouraged. I remember throwing up a bunch of blogs too after I read that it would be easy adsense money. But we live and learn and I have always viewed that as the price of the IM education.

    IM is better taught through experience than books anyway. Sit back for a minute and write down how you might be able to monetize some of your learnings. I know one thing, if you wrote a short ebook on back-linking or any of the other things you have been doing I'd probably buy it because it sounds like you know what you are doing.

    Even if you wrote a short ebook on what "not to do" to save others from the same pittfalls that you experienced might not be a bad way to got.

    You are on the cusp of something, just take a break, come back with a fresh mind, and figure out what you know that others like me can benefit from and start writing. Send me an email when you hit 20 pages, I'll be your first customer.

    Kind Regards,
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Truong
    I failed for 2 years before I started to make it I never thought once I would quit... and true to my own word I never did.

    You know the old adage... where there is a will there is a way. So never give up.

    Sometimes you gotta fall a few times before you can become a good runner. It's the same with this... you need to develop a rock solid mindset and never give up - never back down. Ever.

    Having this attitude will get you everywhere in life. I mean it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Hey Vivax,

    do you know what your buyer keywords are ?

    Once you know which keywords get you the most amount of money, you'll be riding HIGH!!!

    I mean it.

    You must not focus on all keywords that you think are appropriate. See which keywords gives you the earnings you want.

    Stick to one site, one strategy, one plan.. peak it.. then move forward with another plans.

    Ronak.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee Wilson
    Sorry to be the odd one out here but ... when you start using mnemonics, acronyms and buzzwords to guide your IM venture, you have a problem. Know what they are (questionable), understand them (maybe) but don't use them as a formula to make decisions on where you are going wrong.

    The only thing that guarantees results is an understanding of the basics for which you can apply common sense to. Acronyms teach you nothing about basic principles, they merely divert attention from what matters.

    Lee
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    • Profile picture of the author vivax
      thanks guys for your true willingness and efforts to help me figure out what' s wrong with me hopefully some day I will be able to return the favor.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ninja_Warrior
    Concentrate at one project at a time and promote traffic to your website.

    Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    If Internet Marketing was dead easy, then everyone in the world would do it.
    Everyone in this Forum will be light years ahead of all the new people entering this career.
    Internet Marketing is the most highly leveraged skill to be learning right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    HOLY COW!!

    I've been off the forum for quite a while, but here we go again with another "I'm going to quit IM, poor me...." post. Go back a year, you'll see a few, go back 2 years, you'll see a few in the archives. Always the same thing. These posts annoy me a LOT. WHY?

    These threads are annoying because they tie up good people's time trying to save a person who almost certainly does not want to be saved. I say this with almost 100% certainty because of the content of the OP.

    If a person was focused on IM and success, why wait a whole YEAR to seek help? Warriors here would have gladly critiqued a campaign after a couple of months w/o success. Also, there are TONS of threads from people who succeeded in every aspect of this business from article marketing to product creation, Adsense to affiliate marketing. Why not ask them?

    There is enough information on this thread to make anyone a success. You need a couple of things, though. The first one is determination. The second is skill/talent. Some people just don't have it. For them, there is no shame in having a good job to support yourself.

    TomG.
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  • Profile picture of the author SilentX
    It is really encouraging to see such support that a post like this would have. I have just recently started IMing about a month ago, and am still trying to catch up with all the knowledge there is to be gained. I have yet to see any real profits, although I have made a clickbank sale once xD. It's good to know that everyone struggles and some more than others, but with perseverence and a good attitude you can go a long way towards success. I won't bother giving any advice, since I am not nearly experienced enough to give anything good. I just wanted to express how even this kind of post can help put things in perspective for newbies like me. Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by SilentX View Post

      It's good to know that everyone struggles [...]
      Let's say you want to start learning how to speak japanese...

      After two days, do you think you would be perfectly speaking it?

      No. This is not "struggling", but natural part of the learning process.

      IM is so incredible diverse, for me this includes so many things like designing, programming, copy writing, learning WHERE and WHAT...it's simply a LOT to learn. Sooner or later things will fall in place...it often takes a while until it becomes clear what works or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author vetzkov
    IMHO it is all about finding where you are feeling comfortable. After you decide you can start settling in and really go after your own success. It doesn't matter if you choose adsense, affiliate marketing, product creation etc. etc. what matters is that you are stubborn and willing to sacrifice what you are for the sake of what you will become. You just need to push yourself to the limit and then you are most likely to have this spark of brilliance that will open you to the limitless world of IM.

    Best of luck,
    Tsvetan
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
    I feel for you. I really do.

    Similarly I took 6 months of work a few years ago to set up some websites that would make me my millions. Surprise surprise they didnt. My main job paid me well so I went back to that and left it. However the site I set up then still earns me a few hundred dollars a month - and I havent updated it since 2005!

    On the other hand last year I started to get re-enthused last year reading these forums, so set up some blog networks. After spending a few hundred on domains and hosting, and many weekends without a social life I had lots of sites - that have done nothing at all.

    I guess what I am saying, in a wordy and roundabout way, is choose a site / niche / area that you really want to target. Then blitz it. Do everything you have learned, but on that one site. Market like crazy, link build, get subscribers etc etc. But keep going on one idea and you will see reward in the end. Dont give up. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankBowman
    Vivax,

    You say you have a product on clickbank.

    I'm not going to repeat everything thats been said, other people say it better than I.

    Tell me the name of your clickbank product, I'll PM you if you want, and I'll promote the crap out of it for 1 month, no ppc or other paid traffic sources, I don't care what the commission is, as long as you agree that after a month, if I do 30 sales, you'll do "EXACTLY" what I did to promote it and nothing else for another 1 month period.

    I know you cant PM, so I'll PM you with my email addy

    Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author onemind
      Crew Chief has some really great info in his posts and I'm anxious to see the next question and the grades Vivax gets. I totally agree with everything CC has said so far because the key to succeeding in anything is proper understanding of it's mechanics. I myself struggled a long time with understanding IM (1 year +) and once finally getting it, I now have spent almost a month JUST on keyword research of the different interests and ideas I come up with. I want to say more on this but I don't want to give away any answers before CC finishes his testing of Vivax.

      All I can say so far is this is a great thread for anyone struggling with IM and most of it's aspects that elude the average person. I know I received help from reading thus far!
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