Is it possible to succeed in IM "part-time"?

by Jack7
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Hey everyone,

I've been reading this forum quite a bit and have just recently joined in to actively contribute.

For about a year and a half I've been going at Internet marketing without much success. My first venture was the, all too familiar, Clickbank/AdWords combo of marketing Clickbank products as an affiliate. I spent about $700-$800 on AdWords overall and recovered about $500 from the Clickbank sales.

Recently, I decided to give AdSense a shot by building one quality website and focusing all my energy into driving as much quality traffic to it as possible, making a buck from the AdSense clicks on the site.

The site's been around for about a month, and so far, I'm lucky if I can get 1 visitor per day (when not using AdWords). I also did some AdWord marketing for the site, but couldn't get any returning visitors. I've put a few articles in EZines but they don't seem to drive any traffic and are buried somewhere deep within the search results.

Anyway, I'm not really complaining because I don't think that I put in the time necessary to get the results I want. I mean, I put in most of my free time into this, but my free time is very limited.

So my question is, does anyone have experience achieving concrete results with any kind of Internet marketing without dedicating all your time to it? For example, doing IM while having a full time job or other responsibilities. A good result for me would be to even make $10 a day, heck, $100 a month from IM would satisfy me right now!

I know that it's a very abstract question and that in order to reap any real results you need to focus on IM full-time. I'm just interested in people's personal experience and if they succeeded in doing something similar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    You can definitely make decent money part time - but not with Adsense.

    Don't waste yout time on a model that requires high levels of work and traffic when you could be more focused and build a solid business that you can grow properly with more predictable and scalable results.

    Find a niche where you can create something valuable and focus on getting partners to help you get it to market. You can make a lot of money in a relatively short time if you have a product with a decent value that you know people want.

    Most people fiddle around with things like Adsense and struggle with traffic generation when in reality traffic is easy to get once you have something people want.

    The Adsense thing is way too low ticket for most people to make money from these days and you could spend months and waste your time.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      You can definitely make decent money part time - but not with Adsense.

      Don't waste yout time on a model that requires high levels of work and traffic when you could be more focused and build a solid business that you can grow properly with more predictable and scalable results.

      Find a niche where you can create something valuable and focus on getting partners to help you get it to market. You can make a lot of money in a relatively short time if you have a product with a decent value that you know people want.

      Most people fiddle around with things like Adsense and struggle with traffic generation when in reality traffic is easy to get once you have something people want.

      The Adsense thing is way too low ticket for most people to make money from these days and you could spend months and waste your time.
      This person hit it on the head.

      Adsense helps Google make money, but not us. They benefit from Adsense based on scale, but we are only a really small piece of the global puzzle.

      First you must find a product people are willing to pay for, then invest your time making that product more attractive.

      A lot of people do not like ClickBank, but I see little wrong with it, so long as you understand that most sellers on Clickbank are clueless about how to write sales copy.

      If you invest your time in pre-selling CB products, you can often outsell the seller on a percentage basis.

      Test and track all of your results. But when you find one campaign that makes money, then focus on sending more traffic to it.

      You did well to make back $500 on $700 spent, because most people fail miserably and make $0 for their $700. I'd say that you selected a good product, but if you pre-sell the item, you can probably increase the closing ratio.

      Spend conservatively until you have tweaked the sales process for consistent profits. Once you have a product that is performing profitably every time out of the gate, then turn on the tap and push large amounts of traffic to your offer that is consistently generating profits.

      Once you have perfected the sales process on one product, move to the next product, rinse and repeat.
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        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        This person hit it on the head.
        His name is Andy !!
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      • Profile picture of the author milan
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        Adsense helps Google make money, but not us. They benefit from Adsense based on scale, but we are only a really small piece of the global puzzle.
        I disagree. For Google to make money long term it's both advertisers and publishers who must earn money too. Otherwise the whole thing would just fall apart.

        Besides, it's not even our business if Google makes money, why worry about that... I worry if I make money.

        Every monetasion method has it's benefits and draw backs. Adsense included.
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    • Profile picture of the author bocephus
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      You can definitely make decent money part time - but not with Adsense.
      Hmmm... Interesting. There are a couple others on this forum who would probably heartily disagree... but I digress.

      Jack7... I'm in the same boat you are. I just started about three months ago. After reading everything I could, I paid $19 for a single eBook and forum subscription just to get a bit more detail. That's all I've spent other than domain names.

      I work a full-time job, I hunt and fish and spend as much time with my family as I can. I am doing IM during my free evenings. I know full well that it will take time to reach my goals.

      I have about 12 sites set up right now... some I messed up from the beginning, but as I get a little smarter I am getting better at the process. My goal is to create about 50 adsense sites. I want to get each site to earn an average of $1 a day... I'm already close to that with one of them. My work flow is getting pretty predictable right now. I spend a bunch of time researching keywords (all free tools). When I find one that meets all of my criteria (including an exact match top level domain) I register the domain, and build the site in Wordpress (less than an hour). After I write some good content I submit the site to sites like Digg and Clipmarks and several social bookmarking sites. When it is indexed I write an article for Ezine and tweak it a bit to submit to a couple other sites. Then I trickle out articles as I have time.

      Pretty cool to see that an exact match top level domain can really get to the top of Google searches right off the bat.

      Anyway... Right now I look at it like it is a hobby. I spent less than $120 and have probably made half of that back in the last month. Not exactly "quit your day job" money, but these sites have hardly had time to build any back links gosh sakes. So I'm confident I can hit my goal in a year or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Mlambo
    My suggestion would be to keep up your efforts. Keep cranking out new marketing campaigns so you can create multiple streams of income. With the money you make you can start outsourcing so you can add more to your work load, while still doing IM part time.

    Hope that helps

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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

    So my question is, does anyone have experience achieving concrete results with any kind of Internet marketing without dedicating all your time to it? For example, doing IM while having a full time job or other responsibilities. A good result for me would be to even make $10 a day, heck, $100 a month from IM would satisfy me right now!
    To give my personal experience with IM, I started all of this working a full time job that required me to travel about 95% of the time. I spent about 10-12 hours a day doing my full time job work and put 2-4 hours of IM work in every night.

    I did this for around a year and half bouncing from method to method like it sounds like you've experienced.

    Today, I have quite a few successful websites in various niches that pull in on average $3,000 a site.

    What made the difference was sticking with one system and doing it until it worked. Nearly every system on this forum is capable of making you an income.

    You have to realize as quickly as possible that you aren't going to make money quickly. You are going to put in hundreds upon hundreds of hours and not see any return from it....not then anyways. Every one of us that have made a living from IM has put in this time with no early return. Trust me it's all worth it in the end.

    It sounds like you are early in the game and honestly you have a lot to learn. Those hundreds of hours used not making money are going to be to determine what works for you. You have to learn the process. Once you find something that works, replicate. Stick to one system and master it. Make money from it then outsource it. Then you can move on to another system and implement in the initial business.

    You've been doing adwords with no success you say. Test your headlines and text used with the adwords. Test the keywords you're using. Test your webpage design. Test the sales copy. Test the products. Find what your market likes. These are just a few of the necessary steps required to make money from any market.

    After you learn, it gets easier and easier every market or project you do after that.

    My first niche website took me over 6 months to develop and got 100 viewers a day to it. I made about 1 sale every 2 days after 6 months of not making a dime.

    Now I have my system established and I can replicate that same process in under 30 days in multiple markets. This is mostly because I know exactly what steps need to be taken to get to my final outcome. I also have some funds now to outsource each of these steps, so I can get 3-5 websites going at once while I am just essentially a project manager.

    Just stick with it. It is worth it in the end..I promise.

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    • Profile picture of the author ERHook
      I read the issues Jack7 was talking about..and I would say that I really enjoy the replies I have seen as of now. I too have just started (few years bouncing first) to take my business serious per recommendation of Chris farrell. I am now looking to drive traffic to my affiliate site first and grow from there. I plan also to join the war-room within a week.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jack7
        It's good to see so many people getting concrete results and having time to do other things as well. Now all I need is to find what approach(s) will give me the highest profit from the least amount of time invested. Wouldn't hurt to be enjoying it as well. But I guess that's the whole point for all of us anyway, ain't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    Jack,
    It's definitely possible. I personally think if you start doing it part time you have almost as good chances to succeed as if you don't have any other job. That's because when you have limited time you tend to focus more and not waste it, while other scenario can be a dangerous "I have all the time in the World" scenario.

    If you spend $700 on Adwords and get $500 on Clickbank that's great news. If you improve just 30% you're making small profit, and when you improve more you're already doing good.

    It's much easier to improve than start something new! For example, if you were not building a list with those campaigns - you should start doing it. My guess is that if you just do a couple of follow ups properly you'll improve enough to get a profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack7
      Thanks guys, I appreciate your input.

      Andy

      My ultimate goal with AdSense was to make a few hundred dollars each month by spending about 10-15 hours each month on updating my site with content. I fully realize that in order to get to that point I need to spend quite some time and put in a lot of hours with 0 profits, and maybe even some monetary investment (like with AdWords). Also, my site s purely informational, there's no offer or product to it.

      I figured that once the site has enough content and has been around for a while to be properly indexed by search engines, I will start getting enough visitors to generate the AdSense revenue I'm aiming for.

      Sam

      I agree with you that multiple campaigns is the key to making any sort of money online. However, isn't it better that I focus my attention on getting one thing working well first, and only then move on to other things?

      Petelta

      Thank you. I actually feel much more motivated now after hearing your personal success story

      milan

      I totally agree with that. This has been my feeling precisely, the fact that I don't have much time and therefor I need to focus on what works best and has the potential of giving me the best ROI possible (in terms of time spent/profit made)

      Quick question about what you said Clickbank-wise. After some time of not being able to make a profit but always spending more on AdWords than getting back from the Clickbank commission, I stopped my campaigns. Actually, it was one campaign that made me all the money, all of the rest weren't making anything.

      Was that a bad decision? Ie should I a have stuck to that campaign and just tried to make it more efficient or is there like a cutoff point where you know that the campaign is a lost cause?

      By the way, my Clickbank campaigns were purely based on hoplinks, so I was sending the user directly to the product's page and not my own page.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
        Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

        Andy

        My ultimate goal with AdSense was to make a few hundred dollars each month by spending about 10-15 hours each month on updating my site with content. I fully realize that in order to get to that point I need to spend quite some time and put in a lot of hours with 0 profits, and maybe even some monetary investment (like with AdWords). Also, my site s purely informational, there's no offer or product to it.

        I figured that once the site has enough content and has been around for a while to be properly indexed by search engines, I will start getting enough visitors to generate the AdSense revenue I'm aiming for.
        Hi,

        I hear you - I'm just wondering where you got your expectation about those results.

        I've got sites with 5000 pages that have been build over 5 years that still don't make $100 a month in Adsense.

        I'm not saying you can't just that it's more of a 'hope you can' thing that something I would have any firm expectations of.

        You can make a lot more money by spending that same time creating something substantial - like your own membership site.

        I'm just trying to give you a reality check about where your expectations are coming from. If you've done it before in the same niche and reached $100 - then fine, go for it, but if you're basing your expectations on what other people have said - I'd think twice.

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        • Profile picture of the author milan
          Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

          I've got sites with 5000 pages that have been build over 5 years that still don't make $100 a month in Adsense.
          The other side of the medal is: I have several sites with only 5 pages that make $100 a month in Adsense. I even have one 5 page site which does $150 while being banned from Google's search engine (I bought several links to it in the past and somebody reported the site for that).
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack7
            Originally Posted by milan View Post

            The other side of the medal is: I have several sites with only 5 pages that make $100 a month in Adsense.
            IMHO these are excellent results!

            Do the websites promote a product/service or are they purely informational in nature? Also, do you update them often?
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            • Profile picture of the author milan
              Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

              Do the websites promote a product/service or are they purely informational in nature? Also, do you update them often?
              They are purely informational in nature. I update them like once in 2 years. I could monetize some of these better but those particular affiliate programs are available for US citizen only.
              I've spent some time to do proper keyword research for these, and the content has no filler. I wrote maybe only 7 additional articles for article marketing purposes, and converted some of them to video articles. Here and there I found site ranking for relevant keywords where I could post my content to (for example, eHow forums). That's all.
              P.S. I have others of the 5 page kind too which do cents per day or week. But in most of these cases I've done some mistake.
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      • Profile picture of the author Popstar
        Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

        I don't have much time and therefor I need to focus on what works best and has the potential of giving me the best ROI possible (in terms of time spent/profit made)

        Quick question about what you said Clickbank-wise. After some time of not being able to make a profit but always spending more on AdWords than getting back from the Clickbank commission, I stopped my campaigns. Actually, it was one campaign that made me all the money, all of the rest weren't making anything.

        Was that a bad decision? Ie should I a have stuck to that campaign and just tried to make it more efficient or is there like a cutoff point where you know that the campaign is a lost cause?

        By the way, my Clickbank campaigns were purely based on hoplinks, so I was sending the user directly to the product's page and not my own page.
        You've somewhat answered your own question in the parts of your quote I highlighted.

        I have to disagree with the people who say you have to put in months or years with no profit to learn how to market... or that you have to produce a lot of content to make money.

        You need to focus on a process that will produce profit (and that can be scaled up) as quickly as possible.

        Most people start making a profit when they stop doing things that don't bring in money and ramp up the things that do.

        In your quote above, you said that one Adwords campaign made all the money. That's excellent.

        That means you can stop all the others and focus your efforts on the moneymaker. Yes, you can make it more efficient. But the real money will come if you can put a backend sales funnel in place.

        Of course, it depends on the product. If it's the type of product that's a one-off sale, then that won't work. So your only option would be to make your campaigns more efficient and look for other places to advertise profitably.

        But if the product does lend itself to upsells and cross-sells, then your best bet would be to test whether you can still make money by sending your prospects to a presell page where you sign them up to a list... or by offering a bonus if they buy through your link and send you their "receipt" (if that's allowed by Clickbank).

        If that Clickbank product was very profitable for you, there's another option as well. You could create your own product for that market and use your advertising to build your own business (rather than relying on affiliate income).

        If that Clickbank product isn't very profitable or it has no backend potential, then use the income to test other markets that do have backend sales potential. When you find a winner, build it up with more advertising and backend sales. And look to create your own products.

        In fact, the best way to sell is to find the places where your potential customers are already going and either jv with the site owner or find another way to sell to that market.

        Just don't waste time on products and markets that don't bring in a lot of profit. Quickly leave behind what isn't working and focus on what is working.

        That's how you'll make money quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author threelegs61
    Yes you can make money working part time. It takes time and will require effort and dedication on your part. My advice, try to find a unique product or service to offer online with little or no competition.
    ... Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    I think 99% of the people here started out doing IM part time, and many still do...

    my advice is use a business model with assets you can leverage (like building a list and creating your own products) it may seem like a lot of work at the start, but after you have the initial list and a product or 2 created most of the work is done and it's easy to partner with other marketers and get them to send you traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author milan
    Jack,
    To answer your quick question: using affiliate links directly is not what Google likes. They slap you (through quality score) which means you're paying clicks more than you could have.
    What you can do is create your own review page with an opt-in. Or, you can start by simply copying their sales page to your own domain, and having your own opt-in. (you would have to ask the owner for permission for that, or, khm, you might get away if you test this only for 2 days).
    As you can see, you were doing great and there is a lot of space for improvement.
    In any campaign you'll have keywords which don't perform well. You should delete them after testing. You should track by keywords and not stop the whole campaign.
    So, get rid of what's not working, improve what's working...

    Mind you, there are many people here who know much more about Adwords than myself. My point is that if you were having that kind of return on Adwords without extensive knowledge - you'll do really great if you focus on improving exactly that!
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by milan View Post

      Jack,
      To answer your quick question: using affiliate links directly is not what Google likes. They slap you (through quality score) which means you're paying clicks more than you could have.
      Any link which proves that? or is it speculation.
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      • Profile picture of the author milan
        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        Any link which proves that? or is it speculation.
        Here's "Google's Affiliate Policy" https://adwords.google.com/support/a...n&answer=14844

        Excerpts:
        "We'll only display one ad per search query for advertisers sharing the same top-level domain in the display URL."
        "Also, your site shouldn't mirror (be similar or nearly identical to) your parent company's or another advertiser's site."
        "...if another advertiser's ad leads to a landing page that's similar to yours, and his keyword has a higher Ad Rank, his ad will show instead of yours"

        "Ad Rank"...

        Now, I'm aware that this might not be equivalent to Google slap, but slap is what I believe I experienced. After reading this, the truth might've been that I just had to outbid the top affiliate with this direct link to get rid of the 'slap'. I don't know that.
        But it doesn't change my point and the bottom line. In either way, not using the direct affiliate link is better: 1) you get your own opt-ins (and you chances of selling even that particular product are higher because you can follow up, plus, you can recommend other products along the way).
        2) you don't have to outbid the most paying affiliate for your ad to show

        Like I already said, I'm not any authority on Google Adwords I was just sharing some experience. Thanks for your question though, questions like these is what I like about forums.
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          Originally Posted by milan View Post

          Now, I'm aware that this might not be equivalent to Google slap, but slap is what I believe I experienced. After reading this, the truth might've been that I just had to outbid the top affiliate with this direct link to get rid of the 'slap'. I don't know that..
          Milan the direct link has no bearing on the slap, if you were slapped raising the price to be shown would not have changed the outcome.

          It's probably more the site you linked to that caused the slap due to it being thin or not meeting another of googles policies, rather than the link type (direct link).
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
    Hi Jack,

    I've done very well with affiliate marketing while being a mother of 6 kids. Until recently one of my kids was home with me 24 hours a day, and I was making what many would consider a full-time income.

    So I certainly did not do this full time :-)

    At this point I have my mornings free with no-one home. So at this point I am working 4-5 hours a day, most days. But before that it was much less...

    Hope that inspires you to keep at it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Bainbridge
    Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

    For about a year and a half I've been going at Internet marketing without much success. My first venture was the, all too familiar, Clickbank/AdWords combo of marketing Clickbank products as an affiliate. I spent about $700-$800 on AdWords overall and recovered about $500 from the Clickbank sales.
    Hmm, it sounds like you see this as a failure, but imo this is a great achievement, especially a great starting point... from this I would of (and indeed did) tweaked my adverts, tweaked my keywords, ditched things that werent working, kept what was, and tried other new things based on my new knowledge... also dropped some products which werent converting.... but mainly I think you should see this as your testing, and see what actually will convert... then instead of sending clicks straight to the vendor or via a redirected domain send them to your pre-sell / review site / SQUEEZE PAGE and get them all into a niche focused mailing list so you can mail them again and again with new info and related offers...

    Oh, and doing a similar sort of thing with PPC but just hoping people click on your adwords ads... imo this is a step backwards... there is less focus there from you, less control, and even if it works for a bit the ads rotate, change, get removed, change prices... .it is just too inconsistent imo, and also generally historically I have made pennies on adwords compared to very healthy returns promoting affiliate products...

    Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

    So my question is, does anyone have experience achieving concrete results with any kind of Internet marketing without dedicating all your time to it? For example, doing IM while having a full time job or other responsibilities. A good result for me would be to even make $10 a day, heck, $100 a month from IM would satisfy me right now!
    I think most people generally start out part time - I worked part time for 9 months+ without paying myself ANYTHING. I worked a few different jobs in this time period - bar job, warehouses, call centres, and would come home and "work" for 3-5 hours in IM - I probably did it to excessively and lost a lot of my social life during this time, but I learnt a lot and did become profitable within 6-9 months - and then shortly after 9 months I started paying myself and quit work... do it, focus, dedication, persistence, seeing success in every failure... do it
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack7
      I hear you - I'm just wondering where you got your expectation about those results.
      I appreciate your honesty. This is indeed based on my own reasoning. If there are 50/day users to my site, I make $1 with AdSense, give or take. I know that because I've been testing this for a few weeks with AdWords marketing. Following this same logic, 500 users = $10. So the issue becomes how to reach that traffic using channels that I do not have to pay for.


      Any link which proves that? or is it speculation.
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      Jack,
      To answer your quick question: using affiliate links directly is not what Google likes. They slap you (through quality score) which means you're paying clicks more than you could have.


      Any link which proves that? or is it speculation.
      I was about to ask the same thing. From my experience, I have gotten a quality score of 10 and minimum bids of a few cents on keywords that were tied to ClickBank hoplinks directly. I've also had very low quality score and high bid prices for keywords when advertising my own website...

      I'm not saying that it disproves that Google doesn't like affiliate links, just that it depends on many other factors as well.

      Don't take this the wrong way but do yourself a HUGE favor and search out Gary Vaynerchuk. He's the furtherest thing from an 'internet guru' you'll find and the guys information is just unbelievable.
      Thanks! I'll check him out.
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      • Profile picture of the author milan
        Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

        From my experience, I have gotten a quality score of 10 and minimum bids of a few cents on keywords that were tied to ClickBank hoplinks directly. I've also had very low quality score and high bid prices for keywords when advertising my own website..
        Good for you. That's what counts. From my experience I believe the quality score is not necessarily calculated straight away, I've had situations where it starts from 10 and after a little time goes to 7. But like I said, I'm not any authority on Adwords, just sharing some experience.

        All that doesn't change the fact that you can improve the number sales by having a chance to follow up. I'm sure that you could improve the sales this way by 30% AT LEAST, and make profits in the end.

        Not to even mention that you can improve your ad copy a little, keywords a little and get even better results.

        Really, I don't think even top Adwords experts get most of their campaigns profitable at the beginning!
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    remembering back when i had a "real" full-time job, it would be 100% IMPOSSIBLE to do what i am doing right now.

    BUT....if you have/had an EXACT plan, already laid out and know exactly what to do with your time, it MIGHT work. You could also outsource most of the work and focus on the things you need to do, without spending your valuable time doing tedious things.

    Eg. you could spend a FEW hours doing keyword research and finding products, and then simply let someone write and submit articles, make sites etc. while you are at work
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    I know that it's a very abstract question and that in order to reap any real results you need to focus on IM full-time.
    Yes I guess it's possible. There are many out there who do IM part time. They start of part time and some eventually make it their day job if their successful. I guess the most important thing is keeping going even when things are hard since starting something is never easy but you also need to evaluate your situation and potential returns instead of just diving full force into something with no potential at all which can be dangerous.

    So at one point you want to preserver but you also want to evaluate the situation.

    As to part time it's very common and also a common mistake is we tend to divert our attention to way too many things that our mind is all scattered so we can't create quality instead of quantity. It's so easy to digress and so common. Haha just like how I digress through out my reply...
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by Jack7 View Post

    Hey everyone,



    Anyway, I'm not really complaining because I don't think that I put in the time necessary to get the results I want. I mean, I put in most of my free time into this, but my free time is very limited.

    So my question is, does anyone have experience achieving concrete results with any kind of Internet marketing without dedicating all your time to it? For example, doing IM while having a full time job or other responsibilities. A good result for me would be to even make $10 a day, heck, $100 a month from IM would satisfy me right now!

    I know that it's a very abstract question and that in order to reap any real results you need to focus on IM full-time. I'm just interested in people's personal experience and if they succeeded in doing something similar.

    Yes !!! Iam netting over $600 with about 2 to 4 hours a week ALL with Free Blogger Blogs. It takes time as it took me one year to break $100. And then another year to break $600.

    Here is the run down for my March 2010 Earnings :
    1.$339 (from adsense)
    2.$180 from (Max Bounty and CPA Offers)
    3. $75 FusionCash (Referral Commissin from Gpt Site)
    4. $28 CashCrate ( Referral Commission from this Gpt Site)

    Like I said these are Free Blogger Blogs with my own self- hosted Domains. I have moved six other Authority Sites to WP, but am not currently earning from them, YET !!!

    I respect what some of these other trusted Warriors are saying but I must disagree a little. I started off part time doing just Adsense and if you stick with it you can Earn pretty good with Adsense alone. It is just a matter of consistently updating your Sites with new content and adding backlinks and using good Keyword density on your Content. And then Pinging it.

    But remember to ALWAYS be sure to eventually diversify your streams of income on top of Adsense. Maxbounty and CPA Offers are a good place to start doing this along with some Affiliate Products.

    Thats it in a nutshell !!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikesonfire
    Hey Jack,

    I would suggest starting with small business owners who need help ranking on page one of Google in their city. Research businesses with websites who are stuck on Page three and beyond and create and optimize a blog for that area like "plumber colorado springs".

    That you you can learn how to optimize for specific keywords while creating a valuable piece of virtual real estate which you can ultimately rent out or sell.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Hey Jack,

    Funny how different people have different stories.

    I started part-time in IM precisely with Adsense and with good profits. In a couple months I was profiting 2K from a couple of top ranking sites.

    Long story short - what works for YOU, may not work for others. And vice versa.

    Glad you're here and can test good methods without losing money.
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    • Profile picture of the author DeonKrey
      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      Hey Jack,

      Funny how different people have different stories.

      I started part-time in IM precisely with Adsense and with good profits. In a couple months I was profiting 2K from a couple of top ranking sites.

      Long story short - what works for YOU, may not work for others. And vice versa.

      Glad you're here and can test good methods without losing money.
      Internet Marketing would always be about profiting on how you're able to create/promote good products effective in your niche and it's true, it goes out on both ways - it can either work for your business but it may also not work on others' even if it's a part time or full time basis, it's all upon how you maximize the results and the products that you're promoting to the targeted audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author koncorps
    Success is all about what you want. So with that being said it's always possible to succeed as long as you know what you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author keithdougherty
    There are certainly ways for you to make $10 a day or even $100 if you apply yourself. I posted a thread that shows how writing 10 basic articles a day will make you around $20 a day. That adds up to $100 a week, or $400 a month, not bad for part-time work.

    See thread here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...day-today.html


    Another system you might want to consider is "The Amazon Method" I have another thread on this that show how you can write and publish a book and then if you are in need of fast cash, you flip the book. This can be worth an easy $100 in your pocket in days. If you did 1 a day, you can do the math here. My 10 year old actually did this and published a book and is selling copies, pretty cool.

    See thread here: http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...eal-today.html

    Hope that gives you some help to get moving in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Many of my VideoForward members are making hundreds of dollars in Adsense part time just by sharing viral videos created by others.
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  • Profile picture of the author blarbie
    any good offers to start with ? any advise
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  • Profile picture of the author TheGuruHub
    Hello Jack,

    It is very possible to make a buck doing this part time. The first thing I would focus around is creating some type of product, ebook. Something you can sell rather than waiting on clicks for Adsense. You have to have a lot of traffic to make any money with Adsense.
    Try a 12-15 page ebook on your favorite topic. It doesn't have to be perfect, just get it out there and try to sell something for $10. Write it in MS Word and save it as a PDF. Go to PayPal and create a "buy now" button and you are all set.

    Most people try to make everything perfect in lieu of getting a product to market. Get it out there first and then refine it. This woudl be different if you were selling a $1997 product but for $10 write a good title and some good info and get going.

    This really helped me as I would still be trying to make a couple bucks a day with Adsense if I had not created a product.

    Best of Luck
    Gregg
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack7
      Originally Posted by TheGuruHub View Post

      Hello Jack,

      It is very possible to make a buck doing this part time. The first thing I would focus around is creating some type of product, ebook. Something you can sell rather than waiting on clicks for Adsense. You have to have a lot of traffic to make any money with Adsense.
      Try a 12-15 page ebook on your favorite topic. It doesn't have to be perfect, just get it out there and try to sell something for $10. Write it in MS Word and save it as a PDF. Go to PayPal and create a "buy now" button and you are all set.

      Most people try to make everything perfect in lieu of getting a product to market. Get it out there first and then refine it. This woudl be different if you were selling a $1997 product but for $10 write a good title and some good info and get going.

      This really helped me as I would still be trying to make a couple bucks a day with Adsense if I had not created a product.

      Best of Luck
      Gregg
      People keep telling me that I need to write my own ebook/product. However, I always used to think that even a $10 product needs to be something substantial and have valuable information for people to buy it (and not return it). 100 pages or something like that...So you're basically telling me that 10-15 pages is enough? I'm not being sarcastic here, this is really kinda new to me.

      In that case, why do people write 1-2 page articles if when you combine about 5-7 of those you get an actual product that you can market and people will buy?

      I really would love to here a personal example from you or anyone else who has tried something like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChadH
    Hey Jack,

    Absolutely, you can.

    When I first started out, I did more reading than doing.

    Eventually I decided I needed to get to work. PPC is what I focused on, Adwords to be precise.

    The key word there is focused. When working part time especially, you really need to be on the ball, itemized, and know what you're going to do for those few hours that you have. If you build this sense of focus, being part time can sometimes keep you more focused because you know your time is valuable.

    In about 2 months of working part time after months of reading and not much doing, I launched about 130 campaigns with mixed success. I then "figured it out", for me anyway.....

    My results? I grossed a total of about $115,xxx in 3 months time running at around a 90-100% ROI.

    I went full time after that and for a while my focus actually suffered.

    But the point here is, YES, you can do it part time you just need to make that time valuable.

    Here's a tip... a big key to this entire game is a winning offer. I know that sounds obvious, but really look at what I mean there. I've had campaigns running where the offer was dropped from the network, and my conversion rate went from 8-10% down to 3%. The offer is so important. Typically, the traffic source is not the issue, the offer is. If the traffic is real, as in real people, then you're just not matching the right offer to the traffic source.

    How do you find a winning offer? There are tons of courses on how to find a winning Clickbank offer, and lots of info on the forums about that. In terms of CPA offers, having a good relationship with your affiliate manager really helps.

    And the best bet? That would be creating your own winning offer. This takes a bit more time because being the advertiser, you will conduct split testing for the landing page to gauge conversion rates.

    Anyway I really went off track there....biggest thing is your time management, make lists, and start knocking off your tasks. Stay focused on one thing at a time, this can be tough to do but it's essential.
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    • Profile picture of the author bocephus
      Originally Posted by ChadH View Post

      Hey Jack,

      Eventually I decided I needed to get to work. PPC is what I focused on, Adwords to be precise.

      The key word there is focused.

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      Here's a tip... a big key to this entire game is a winning offer. I know that sounds obvious, but really look at what I mean there. I've had campaigns running where the offer was dropped from the network, and my conversion rate went from 8-10% down to 3%. The offer is so important. Typically, the traffic source is not the issue, the offer is. If the traffic is real, as in real people, then you're just not matching the right offer to the traffic source.

      How do you find a winning offer? There are tons of courses on how to find a winning Clickbank
      I'm confused... You started your response by saying you needed to stay focused, and you did this with AdSense... and said you made hundreds ($115,XXX) of thousands in a few months by focusing on this. Then a paragraph or two later you claim that the secret is a winning offer... that you need to find a winning offer for a Clickbank product.

      I had my notebook out for a second, but didn't write a thing down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack7
      Originally Posted by ChadH View Post

      Hey Jack,


      My results? I grossed a total of about $115,xxx in 3 months time running at around a 90-100% ROI.

      I went full time after that and for a while my focus actually suffered.

      But the point here is, YES, you can do it part time you just need to make that time valuable.
      Holy crap. Chad, 130 campaigns and more than 100 K in 3 months? Dude, you're a machine .

      How many or what % of these campaigns, would you say, were profitable enough to keep?
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    Certainly you can succeed part time, you probably won't earn as much but you will also have a great time doing it and gain a great sense of achievement from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamian
    Hello Jack

    You said submitted few articles to Ezine but in order to see some result from article marketing you need at least 35 articles to see some movement. Also you need to use a squeeze page and autoresponder if you want this method to be more effective.

    Jamian.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    You can definitely make decent money part time - but not with Adsense.
    I would respectfully disagree with Andy here. Adsense takes time, but a lot of the time involved is due to waiting to be properly ranked in the serps. The right niche can make over $50/month passively. I have more than one site that was developed years ago that bring in over $50/month and I have not done anything to them in years.

    The Adsense thing is way too low ticket for most people to make money from these days and you could spend months and waste your time.
    If you do not know how to choose the proper niches and keywords, then I completely agree with this statement. Adsense requires research AND patience. I would say that most people don't do the first and don't have the second. Now, I've had sites from way back before I knew how to research a niche and they still to this day earn $1/month max. It just proves that without the proper research, doesn't matter who you are, you'll flounder badly. I also have to point out that my views are a bit skewed since I've made big money from the Adsense business.

    TomG.

    PS - One of my sites that earns over $50/month has only ONE page of content, so more content by itself is NOT a guarantee of income.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jack7
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      If you do not know how to choose the proper niches and keywords, then I completely agree with this statement.
      That's one of the things that I am still learning, how to find profitable niches. Any free pointers on that front? So far I've been targeting those niches that interest me without much regard to how profitable they are.
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      • Profile picture of the author ChadH
        Bocephus, I don't think I said Adsense, I said Adwords, Googles PPC system. Typically I would do PPC traffic to CPA or Clickbank offers.

        Jack, to give you an idea, I launched about 80-90 of those campaigns before I really started to learn what I was doing. Maybe I'm a slow learner, but what I tended to do was pause campaigns too early. Fear of losing money.

        However, you NEED a statistically significant amount of data to make a decision, for me I would send 50-100 clicks per element that I was testing (so if I was split testing ads, I'd send that amount to each ad, or each landing page, or each offer, etc.) Obviously if I found a combo blow up early, I would just scale that up.

        As for "profitable niches... I really think people have gone crazy with "niche marketing". DON'T get me wrong please, if you find a small niche where you're the only big guy in it, then ya you'll dominate. But really how much will you make? The following are the top new years resolutions in the US (per USA.gov: The U.S. Government's Official Web Portal).....

        * Drink Less Alcohol
        * Get a Better Education
        * Get a Better Job
        * Get Fit
        * Health-e-Cards for Holidays and New Year
        * Lose Weight
        * Manage Debt
        * Quit Smoking Now
        * Reduce Stress at Work
        * Reduce Stress Overall
        * Save Money
        * Take a Trip
        * Volunteer to Help Others

        You can go out and find tons of existing affiliate offers in those areas that I bolded. And in the other areas, you could probably find them or make a product there.

        Are these niches competitive? Damn right there are. But if you take a small piece of these HUGE niches it typically pays off more than you could imagine.

        Also, you can find a niche within these large ones. Now, when I say that I don't mean "Ballet dancers trying to lose weight"..... no, by niche, think of the way people TALK not the way they TYPE. Think of common slangs, etc.

        One that I haven't capitalized on, that I bet would work and has fairly low competition is the slang "Beer Gut" or "Beer Belly". I'll let your mind work on that.
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