What makes you any different than the IM Gurus?

They're really really successful, people on the forum generally aren't

Two reasons

First, I find a lot of people who marketing and teaching are not practicing as much. I want to learn from someone who is putting what they teach into action to day to day.

Second, this is my position in a niche I am in, the difference between Guru and doing well means having a system you can leave for a month and works VS working 14 hours a day. I am not interested in being forced to be tied to the business. I choose to make less which is still very good, however not be tied many many hours to the job created.

Cheers,
Mukul

Also, I think the 'gurus' entice newbies with their charisma and popularity. They look up to them like gods because they seem to make money so effortlessly and casually. Most warriors have a bit of experience and see through this and aren't excited by the boring products that are being released...

I think everyone wants to become an authority in their particular niche. But I think that the reason most people despise most Gurus (BTW, most are self proclaimed) is because some of them can come across as cocky and often times rude (at least that is what I have gathered from reading complaints.)

Now, I do not see anything wrong with being an authority in your niche, just don't boast about it or become arrogant. Keep your feet on the ground and you will be well liked. That is just what I think!

Because as someone being in IM myself I can "see through" them and the methods they are using.

It's NOT always quality of their products what makes them rich...

It's a mix of jealousy, respect and sometimes disgust. But this is marketing, and you can often LEARN something if you look at how the Gurus do stuff.

Its interesting because people define others as gurus, its not always the gurus themsleves that define themselves as that.

In fact most gurus seem to hate being called and regarded as gurus.

Just a weird and ironic term wwhen it comes to IM

LMAO. I would love to be "The Doily Guru". Could even be a movie. I'll get Mike Myers to play the part (he's much better looking than Paul Myers).

One of the problems Ozduc is that these guys get so money oriented that their only take on things is that: Take Take Take, money, advantage... They get into lack of caring to a considerable extent. That's where resentment comes in I feel

There are people that talk SH*T and then there are people that get SH*T done.

Find the second type and study them.

Funny thing, not one of them will call themselves "guru"

I tend to be practical and as soon as I have an idea actually do everything I can to implement it. Also, I know this going to sound quite cliche but I do in fact have quite a few years of experience behind me.

There is no rhyme or reason for it, usually just disenfranchised people lashing out at successful people

Successful people admire other succesful people...If you see rich people as bad...you can never be rich...T Herve Hecker

Wow, the tone of this subject is on both sides of the fence. My experience is some Gurus (the ones that have been around awhile) are successful because they are helpful to their customers. The long money is in helping your customers get what they want. Build a long term relationship. The money will come... eventually. The problem is surviving long enough to get the results. The quick buck artists will come and go, but the TRUE hepers will endure. Now if we could just determine which is which.

I think you've jumped a step too far in your assumptions about what people think.

I believe it's pretty universal that people who are successful are used as a reference for modeling your business when you get started.

What you're probably seeing is some people who are aware of unethical tactics being used (lies, fabricated 'evidence' etc.) to sell unsuspecting newbies on the latest product, and you've generalised it to "they hate gurus".

It's probably just a personal dislike based on dynamics that are not obvious to you.

Also - we're not all out to try and be a guru. I have no intention of trying to have people call me a guru or even say that I'm the top dog in my business. My objectives are personal and more to do with the quality of my life and relationships, so if someone else wants to call themselves the guru - I have no problem with that. But I would have a problem with them cheating people out of money under the guise of 'helping them get success'.

I think that's the difference. It's not about Gurus - just about people.

It definitely seems to me that the most money to be made is in teaching others online. That market seems to be insanely saturated at this point but I often wonder how much a lot of these really successful guys have made selling business products about IM compared to what they made running businesses for other products to give them the background to it.,