iPad: Talk me into it or out of it. Who has one?

by sbucciarel Banned
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I live in the country and after a horrible experience with HughesNet, I'm on dialup as the only other option. That means that I can't watch videos and have slow browsing speeds and hire someone else to upload and download for me to conduct my business.

When I first started hearing (endlessly) about the iPad, I thought ... no way I'm going to spend that kind of money on a new trinket.

But now I'm starting to think more about it ... I could watch videos and browse faster, couldn't I? The only wifi device I have is a Kindle and it connects fine from here. Do you think I would have connectivity problems, or should I buy one with 3G?

Is this just a waste of money or are there some good uses for it?
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  • Profile picture of the author GerBot
    I call it a coffee table computer.
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  • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
    Well, it's kind of like a tablet notebook with lots of restrictions and without the keyboard, right?

    I don't have one, but if I'd get something like this, it would be either the hp slate:


    Or this:


    Though the latter is (sadly) only a concept, so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Get a HTC Droid and teather it to your laptop.

    Wait for the droid os for the ipad equivalent.

    Have you looked at datajack?

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    • Profile picture of the author timelessreader
      I'm pretty sure Kindles don't connect via WiFi.

      I've had a Kindle for about a year, and it connects with 3G. Not sure about the newer models, but mine definitely doesn't have WiFi.

      Wouldn't want you to buy a WiFi iPad and not be able to connect.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Get a HTC Droid and teather it to your laptop.

      Wait for the droid os for the ipad equivalent.

      Have you looked at datajack?

      George Wright
      No ... haven't really checked any alternatives. There's so much iPad hype. Can I check email and reply to email and forum posts? With the keyboard accessory?

      Can I write blog posts or articles with it?

      How is the wifi connectivity? I googled wifi iPad and saw some posts suggesting some wifi problems.

      How is watching video on it? On dialup, I miss watching videos.

      What is datajack?
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  • Profile picture of the author rawservices
    Get one.

    It just works and will allow you to be entertained / productive whenever you'd like without any issues or additional training.

    Keyboard is kinda weird, just grab a bluetooth one and you'll be fine :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
    Ok, if you live far out in the country, there is really NO computer or device that you can utilize that'd speed up your web browsing. The wifi version of the iPad would just use whatever connection your router is on (I'd assume that'd be your Hughes connection), so it'd be as fast as ANY wifi device that was connected to it (and it doesn't matter whether is a laptop, smartbook, wifi enabled phone, or slate/tablet device like the iPad.)

    It wouldn't make much sense either to buy the 3G version of the iPad as it is unlikely you'd have good AT&T 3G coverage out in the country. I'd advise checking carefully to see if you can even get 3G coverage where you live. Furthermore, AT&T has a 5Gb bandwidth cap per month, meaning that you have to monitor your web usage very carefully so that you don't go over the limit. This really doesn't make it very practical for your usage scenario of viewing videos/browsing sites, as I've tried this before over a 3G connection and I blew over the 5Gb limit in slightly over 8 days...lol!
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    • Profile picture of the author scorpio9
      There was a comparison done between the iPad and a rock by a well known gadget website (if I recall correctly), the iPad just about won the comparison .
      Maybe a bit mean but it aint a computer, just a bigger version of the iphone/iPod great foe watching videos reading ebooks and running iPad/iPhone apps but not much else.
      Compare the price they are going at and a good Laptop/notepad and I don't really see why anyone who's into working with a PC/Laptop would want to pay that kinda price.

      yes you're right! my signature does have a link to my iPad review site

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

      Ok, if you live far out in the country, there is really NO computer or device that you can utilize that'd speed up your web browsing. The wifi version of the iPad would just use whatever connection your router is on (I'd assume that'd be your Hughes connection), so it'd be as fast as ANY wifi device that was connected to it (and it doesn't matter whether is a laptop, smartbook, wifi enabled phone, or slate/tablet device like the iPad.)

      It wouldn't make much sense either to buy the 3G version of the iPad as it is unlikely you'd have good AT&T 3G coverage out in the country. I'd advise checking carefully to see if you can even get 3G coverage where you live. Furthermore, AT&T has a 5Gb bandwidth cap per month, meaning that you have to monitor your web usage very carefully so that you don't go over the limit. This really doesn't make it very practical for your usage scenario of viewing videos/browsing sites, as I've tried this before over a 3G connection and I blew over the 5Gb limit in slightly over 8 days...lol!

      Thanks ... it's beginning to look like not enough bang for the buck for me. Appreciate the opinions.


      Originally Posted by timelessreader View Post

      I'm pretty sure Kindles don't connect via WiFi.

      I've had a Kindle for about a year, and it connects with 3G. Not sure about the newer models, but mine definitely doesn't have WiFi.

      Wouldn't want you to buy a WiFi iPad and not be able to connect.

      Yes ... embarrassed to admit it, but I am wifi challenged ... never got into buying gadgets like Smartphones or ipods, etc. My Kindle connects "somehow magically" to Whispernet. That's about the sum total of my knowledge on how it connects. But I am able to buy books with no problems out here in the sticks.
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    You should get WildBlue. Much better than Hughesnet.

    Yes you can check any email account, browse and post in forums...and just about anything else you can think of.

    I see people telling other people to get a laptop. If you don't own an iPad you really should not be telling people that. You have no idea what a breeze this thing is to handle. Throw it down damn near anywhere you want and in a few minutes it locks down, pick it back up two hours later and turn the screen back on with a simple slide of your finger and you are back at it with zero wait time. And the battery is still right where it was when you left it. The 10 hour battery life claim was true.

    Work all day, anywhere you want, in any position, with no wires, no fans, no heat, no mouse, no hassle.

    I suggest stopping by an Apple store and getting a hands on before you decide either way.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Hi Allen,

      Always great to hear from you.

      Anyway, Apple loses me with the fact that you can't replace the battery. Personally I have a backup battery with me wherever I go. Droid does everything Ipad can do and when they make a big droid (iPad size) Well, the rest is history.

      Of course Apple will always win because it's Apple. However, for instance, the htc droid which is the iPhone equivalent is only $40. I'm sure the Droid pad or whatever they call it will also be very low priced and do everything iPad does.

      George Wright

      Originally Posted by admin View Post

      You should get WildBlue. Much better than Hughesnet.

      Yes you can check any email account, browse and post in forums...and just about anything else you can think of.

      I see people telling other people to get a laptop. If you don't own an iPad you really should not be telling people that. You have no idea what a breeze this thing is to handle. Throw it down damn near anywhere you want and in a few minutes it locks down, pick it back up two hours later and turn the screen back on with a simple slide of your finger and you are back at it with zero wait time. And the battery is still right where it was when you left it. The 10 hour battery life claim was true.

      Work all day, anywhere you want, in any position, with no wires, no fans, no heat, no mouse, no hassle.

      I suggest stopping by an Apple store and getting a hands on before you decide either way.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jaz
        The problem is it is going to take a year for the droid version to come out. I Ipad is basically a large iPod. That isn't a bad thing. I love my iPod. I'm honestly thinking of getting one. My friend has it and I love it. My major stopping point is the google version is suppose to be out next year. I might have to get the other version first, but I'm really excited about the google version. (google docs, wave and mail are a part of my life.)
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        I sincerely hope they do George, just more customers for my upcoming app. Actually I'm pretty sure they will come out with something very similar, maybe even better. That's a good thing. I'm not committed to Apple, I'm after function and ease of use. Whichever one does it best will be the one I go with.

        Although whoever decides to compete better make their system as virtually virus proof as the iPad. There are major benefits to closed systems.





        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        Hi Allen,

        Always great to hear from you.

        Anyway, Apple loses me with the fact that you can't replace the battery. Personally I have a backup battery with me wherever I go. Droid does everything Ipad can do and when they make a big droid (iPad size) Well, the rest is history.

        Of course Apple will always win because it's Apple. However, for instance, the htc droid which is the iPhone equivalent is only $40. I'm sure the Droid pad or whatever they call it will also be very low priced and do everything iPad does.

        George Wright
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          Originally Posted by admin View Post

          There are major benefits to closed systems.
          Like what? Less viruses?

          For people who pratice safe computing habits, it's not a real issue.
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            Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

            Like what? Less viruses?

            For people who pratice safe computing habits, it's not a real issue.
            That depends entirely on who you talk to. I could point you to some people who would disagree :-)
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            • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
              Originally Posted by admin View Post

              That depends entirely on who you talk to. I could point you to some people who would disagree :-)
              I do too and they only *think* they pratice safe surfing habbits.

              One friend of mine fell for the "install this video codex" and others always get hit by porn sites, illegal filesharing or trying to do other questionable activities.

              Of course the spyware in software is another issue but thats not as bad now. From what I have seen.

              Really though, it's not that hard to keep from getting viruses.

              the ipad will prevail over the hp and microsoft units simply because of one word - apps.
              The slate will have more "apps" since it runs Windows 7. I think the MS one is being targeted more towards professionals.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by admin View Post

      You should get WildBlue. Much better than Hughesnet.

      Yes you can check any email account, browse and post in forums...and just about anything else you can think of.

      I see people telling other people to get a laptop. If you don't own an iPad you really should not be telling people that. You have no idea what a breeze this thing is to handle. Throw it down damn near anywhere you want and in a few minutes it locks down, pick it back up two hours later and turn the screen back on with a simple slide of your finger and you are back at it with zero wait time. And the battery is still right where it was when you left it. The 10 hour battery life claim was true.

      Work all day, anywhere you want, in any position, with no wires, no fans, no heat, no mouse, no hassle.

      I suggest stopping by an Apple store and getting a hands on before you decide either way.

      On the WildBlue issue ... I Googled WildBlue and WildBlue scam and WildBlue ripoff, and there are much the same complaints about Wild Blue as there are about HughesNet. It makes me afraid to try them out ... I wasted a ton of money with HughesNet (hughesnetripoff.com for anyone interested) and not all of it was malfunction. Part of it was HughesNet throttling of downloads and uploads.

      I already have a perfectly fine laptop and don't need another laptop. I've already admitted to being wifi challenged , so here's what attracted me to the idea of buying an iPad. I assumed that if I bought the iPad with 3G, that as long as AT&T covered my area, it would connect .... no HughesNet, no WildBlue, no dialup. Is this correct or not?
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I assumed that if I bought the iPad with 3G, that as long as AT&T covered my area, it would connect .... no HughesNet, no WildBlue, no dialup. Is this correct or not?
        Not necessarily. Since you live out in the country, you might not have 3G coverage, even if AT&T covers you on a basic level. You'd need to check their website to see if you get 3G coverage, specifically, where you are. If you don't have 3G coverage, your speeds won't be as fast as you're expecting them to be, and you may be in a similar position with the iPad as the one you're in with your computer now.

        Also, keep in mind that (as far as I know - correct me if I'm wrong) the iPad doesn't support flash - which may really, really hinder your ability to work with video, as you said you intended to.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        On the WildBlue issue ... I Googled WildBlue and WildBlue scam and WildBlue ripoff, and there are much the same complaints about Wild Blue as there are about HughesNet. It makes me afraid to try them out ... I wasted a ton of money with HughesNet (hughesnetripoff.com for anyone interested) and not all of it was malfunction. Part of it was HughesNet throttling of downloads and uploads.

        I already have a perfectly fine laptop and don't need another laptop. I've already admitted to being wifi challenged , so here's what attracted me to the idea of buying an iPad. I assumed that if I bought the iPad with 3G, that as long as AT&T covered my area, it would connect .... no HughesNet, no WildBlue, no dialup. Is this correct or not?

        You are correct in your assumption, Suzanne. However, as I've stated before, it is unlikely that you'd get good 3G coverage out in the sticks, and UNLESS you have 75-100% signal strength, your 3G web browsing speeds will not be very much faster than dial-up (I'm speaking from experience here as I've used 3G for over 2 years now.)
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

          You are correct in your assumption, Suzanne. However, as I've stated before, it is unlikely that you'd get good 3G coverage out in the sticks, and UNLESS you have 75-100% signal strength, your 3G web browsing speeds will not be very much faster than dial-up (I'm speaking from experience here as I've used 3G for over 2 years now.)
          Thanks. I'm going to call AT&T but I seriously doubt that I would get 75%-100% signal strength here.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            Thanks. I'm going to call AT&T but I seriously doubt that I would get 75%-100% signal strength here.
            Yes, that'd be the most important piece of advice I have for you. Most people don't realize that for 3G to work effectively, you need strong signal strength for it to reach and get anywhere near its maximum advertised speeds. Anything less than 75% and you're going to see a dramatic drop-off in web browsing speed and responsiveness. Please let us know what AT&T tells you, I'm curious to find out what they'll say!
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

              Yes, that'd be the most important piece of advice I have for you. Most people don't realize that for 3G to work effectively, you need strong signal strength for it to reach and get anywhere near its maximum advertised speeds. Anything less than 75% and you're going to see a dramatic drop-off in web browsing speed and responsiveness. Please let us know what AT&T tells you, I'm curious to find out what they'll say!
              I'm shocked ... I was about to give up the idea of getting one, but AT&T says my area is covered. I asked about signal strength and he just said ... you're covered. He even had me mapped down to the dirt road that I live on. lol.
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              • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                I'm shocked ... I was about to give up the idea of getting one, but AT&T says my area is covered. I asked about signal strength and he just said ... you're covered. He even had me mapped down to the dirt road that I live on. lol.
                Well, that is great news. One great bonus about using 3G on the iPad is that you're not locked into a long-term contract, and you can pay for 30-day blocks at a time (essentially month to month.) So in the event that you find you don't have decent coverage, you can just discontinue at the end of the 30 days.
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                • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                  Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                  Well, that is great news. One great bonus about using 3G on the iPad is that you're not locked into a long-term contract, and you can pay for 30-day blocks at a time (essentially month to month.) So in the event that you find you don't have decent coverage, you can just discontinue at the end of the 30 days.
                  Yeah ... that's a big bonus for me. After having nothing but problems with HughesNet for months and finally terminating the account because they did not deliver the paltry 200MB per day that they said they would deliver, and not fixing the problem, they then charged me another $350 for the privilege of getting rid of them. I like the no-commitment thing.
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                  • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                    Yeah ... that's a big bonus for me. After having nothing but problems with HughesNet for months and finally terminating the account because they did not deliver the paltry 200MB per day that they said they would deliver, and not fixing the problem, they then charged me another $350 for the privilege of getting rid of them. I like the no-commitment thing.
                    Sorry to hear about your issues with HughesNet. However, you do have to bear in mind that there is a 5Gb bandwidth limit per month with the 3G iPad, and you will not be able to do all the internet-related tasks that you may be accustomed to doing on your regular computer, i.e. FTP uploading and viewing Flash videos (as of right now, it appears that only the major sites like CBS.com and cnn, bbc, youtube etc. have sites that are iPad friendly and are able to display all their videos on the iPad.) There will definitely be many IM sites with videos that will not display on the iPad.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                      Sorry to hear about your issues with HugheNet. However, you do have to bear in mind that there is a 5Gb bandwidth limit per month with the 3G iPad, and you will not be able to do all the internet-related tasks that you may be accustomed to doing on your regular computer, i.e. FTP uploading and viewing Flash videos (as of right now, it appears that only the major sites like CBS.com and cnn, bbc, youtube etc. have sites that are iPad friendly and are able to display all their videos on the iPad.) There will definitely be many IM sites with videos that will not display on the iPad.
                      Yeah ... I realize that. I want it for a break from dialup. There's a lot I can do with it but the nuts and bolts of my business will still be done on my desktop.

                      The 3G model has GPS, I think... doesn't it? That could be fun to fool around with, as I spend a lot of time driving and getting lost
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                      • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        Yeah ... I realize that. I want it for a break from dialup. There's a lot I can do with it but the nuts and bolts of my business will still be done on my desktop.

                        The 3G model has GPS, I think... doesn't it? That could be fun to fool around with, as I spend a lot of time driving and getting lost

                        Good to know that you're aware of that. I just wasn't sure as you had mentioned in one of your earlier posts about watching videos on the iPad. Here's a resource that shows officially sanctioned iPad friendly websites so you can have a better idea of what you can watch on it:

                        Apple - iPad-ready websites
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                      • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
                        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                        Yeah ... I realize that. I want it for a break from dialup. There's a lot I can do with it but the nuts and bolts of my business will still be done on my desktop.

                        The 3G model has GPS, I think... doesn't it? That could be fun to fool around with, as I spend a lot of time driving and getting lost
                        Then call verizon and get a droid. You can then tether it to your laptop/pc for the 3g access. Plus have a droid.
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                        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                          Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

                          Then call verizon and get a droid. You can then tether it to your laptop/pc for the 3g access. Plus have a droid.

                          Seriously ... I don't want a droid. It just doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. I don't want to tether anything. I want something apart from my laptop and desktop computers.

                          I rarely buy anything (technology) that in part can be called a toy. Country folks live a different lifestyle. Don't have a cell phone and don't want one, don't have an ipod and don't want one, etc. But I'm ready for a toy ... and the iPad seems to provide enough function to justify buying a new toy. I've also never purchased an Apple product.

                          About the Flash thing ... there's always hope for a jailbreak isn't there? I've read that there's already one created, but not released yet.
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                          • Profile picture of the author paulie888
                            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                            Seriously ... I don't want a droid. It just doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. I don't want to tether anything. I want something apart from my laptop and desktop computers.

                            I rarely buy anything (technology) that in part can be called a toy. Country folks live a different lifestyle. Don't have a cell phone and don't want one, don't have an ipod and don't want one, etc. But I'm ready for a toy ... and the iPad seems to provide enough function to justify buying a new toy. I've also never purchased an Apple product.

                            About the Flash thing ... there's always hope for a jailbreak isn't there? I've read that there's already one created, but not released yet.
                            Don't get your hopes up about Flash capability with a jailbreak. Apple takes a very hardline stance on jailbreaking, and if anything goes wrong they'll refuse to service or honor any warranties on any iPod or iPad that you jailbreak. Even if it does somehow work, it'll be buggy and probably prone to crashes/glitches that would annoy you to distraction.
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                            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                              Originally Posted by paulie888 View Post

                              Don't get your hopes up about Flash capability with a jailbreak. Apple takes a very hardline stance on jailbreaking, and if anything goes wrong they'll refuse to service or honor any warranties on any iPod or iPad that you jailbreak. Even if it does somehow work, it'll be buggy and probably prone to crashes/glitches that would annoy you to distraction.
                              Yeah ... I can live without Flash. Jailbreaking it wouldn't really be worth it to me. It's a big enough investment that I would want the warranty intact.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    the ipad will prevail over the hp and microsoft units simply because of one word - apps.
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    It's like a huge, more powerful ipod touch that you can't carry around in your pocket aint it?
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Call verizon too. They have 3g in the sticks.
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    the 3g is not out yet. comes out next month,but that is the model to get!
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    I would wait for the WePad to come out.. looks more functional than the ipad and it runs on android. check it out.. WePad - Designed in Germany | WePad

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  • Profile picture of the author Leigh Beckett
    My wife has just been given an iPad by her company (she works in publishing). Its very cool but I can't help thinking its just novelty value. I find it difficult to use unless I'm sitting and preferably at a table, which means I'm better off using my laptop - better keyboard, faster, bigger screen, sits up so I can see it etc.

    The iPad looks very attractive - it is by Apple after all, but the shiny case makes it very slippery to hold and unlike the iPhone it actually requires both hands to use it. I think if I tried to use it standing on a busy subway here in New York there's a good chance I'd drop it - presuming I hadn't already been mugged for it!

    Its been living on our kitchen counter for the last few days and the most useful thing we've done with it is quickly settle an argument about who starred in Saving Private Ryan - which we could have done with any of our selection of smartphones etc.

    Bottom line: I think its an ergonomic nightmare - we definitely wouldn't bother with it if we had to buy it ourselves
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  • Profile picture of the author gubwell12
    If the speed of your internet connection is slow then iPad isn't going to help you much.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by gubwell12 View Post

      If the speed of your internet connection is slow then iPad isn't going to help you much.
      The two should be unrelated here, at least. I'm on dialup. The iPad will be on 3G from AT&T ... AT&T already said my area is covered.
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  • I don't know, I just lack to see the point of the iPad. To me, it's nothing but a device to seldom surf the net at the couch on a lazy sunday afternoon. Other than that, I cannot see myself doing pretty much anything on it.
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