Are Marketers Really Just About The Money?

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Hey Warriors,

I'm asking this question to gauge people's opinion of marketers. I got a really nasty email that kind of bothered me.

The product I was promoting to my list was 1$ and came with a 30 day trial to a great coaching program.

I see no problem with these offers b/c they are easy to cancel (most of the time). I believe in personal responsibility so people shouldn't feel duped.

However, I got a nasty email from someone sayin "Oh it's a $1 then it's $97 a month after that and you're only about the $$$$$$!" (This is a summary but he did use $$$$$ and it was ALL IN CAPS WHICH REALLY DRIVES ME CRAZY )

Anyhow,

So what do people think? Are marketers really just about the money?

I don't think so (personally speaking of course) but I'm curious...

Cheers,

Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    The answer is yes.

    If it weren't for money, and wanting to make more of it, how many people do you really think would be building lists, doing SEO, paying for advertising, etc?

    I'm sure that someone will come in and say "no" the money doesn't matter, "I just want to help people" - But, if you follow the trail long enough, you will more than likely find a sales page somewhere with a price tag higher than $0.
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    • Profile picture of the author Soapyshoe
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      The answer is yes.

      If it weren't for money, and wanting to make more of it, how many people do you really think would be building lists, doing SEO, paying for advertising, etc?

      I'm sure that someone will come in and say "no" the money doesn't matter, "I just want to help people" - But, if you follow the trail long enough, you will more than likely find a sales page somewhere with a price tag higher than $0.
      The question is whether we're JUST about the money.

      I often make the case on my website that money is worthless in the grand scheme of things, and that most people don't REALLY want money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jag82
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      The answer is yes.

      If it weren't for money, and wanting to make more of it, how many people do you really think would be building lists, doing SEO, paying for advertising, etc?

      I'm sure that someone will come in and say "no" the money doesn't matter, "I just want to help people" - But, if you follow the trail long enough, you will more than likely find a sales page somewhere with a price tag higher than $0.

      While I agree with you somewhat - my answer will be a no.

      It's not just about money.

      If we want to be truly successful, we want to think
      about creating value first.

      When we create value the right way...and in a way
      our audience appreciate...the money will follow.

      That said, I'm also assuming you have to be good
      in selling in the first place...and with a good product.

      My point is...don't just focus on the money.

      As Eben Pagan said...wealth can translate to money.
      But money doesn't necessarily translate to wealth.

      Building our intangible assets like our "education"...our "knowledge"
      and "relationship/networks" can help us create far
      more wealth than the single activity of just focusing
      on money and nothing else.

      When we talk about some of the giants of our time like
      Napoleon Hill...Zig Ziglar...Brian Tracy...Anthony Robbins...
      they all agree on one thing.

      And that is - we can be successful if we can help others
      achieve what they want (and creating massive value for them).

      Best,
      Jag
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    • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      The answer is yes.

      If it weren't for money, and wanting to make more of it, how many people do you really think would be building lists, doing SEO, paying for advertising, etc?

      I'm sure that someone will come in and say "no" the money doesn't matter, "I just want to help people" - But, if you follow the trail long enough, you will more than likely find a sales page somewhere with a price tag higher than $0.
      I have to agree with Jeremy on this.

      Just about sums it all up for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    I think there's some push back in the marketplace right now on free/cheap trials followed by an expensive continuity program. You can thank the weight loss folks for that one.

    You can also add the bad economy on top of that because it will make people tighter with their money and more concerned about getting the best value at the lowest price.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      If it is money related product... Just say, your complaining about something which you will try yourself in a year if you actually carry on and learn what I am teaching... Something along them lines .
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  • Profile picture of the author Laura B
    Yes, in the sense that I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't need to earn money. I'm not yet to the point where I can stop working. So yes, I'm in it for the money.

    BUT ... I will not cheat, mislead, or abuse the trust of my customers to get it. So I guess I fall somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    It's possible to help people AND make money. I give away a lot of things. Most of the time there is something for sale connected to it in some way, if nothing more than an advertisement on a content page, but people do not have to buy anything to benefit from the free content. That's helping people.

    If they buy, I make money. That's business. The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. In fact, I started out ONLY giving things away. I didn't sell anything when I first started. My visitors encouraged me in that direction. Even when I first started selling things, I let people pay what they thought the product was worth AFTER they received it. Some overpaid, some underpaid, it averaged out most of the time.

    The point is, because you're making money does not mean you aren't also helping people. You could even say that if you are NOT helping people, you won't make much money. You could also say the more you are able to help people, the more possible it is to make money, and perhaps the more money it is possible to make.

    Rather than being mutually exclusive, you could say they are mutually beneficial, if not mutually necessary.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbode
    Hey Brad it's weird that someone would say that from your list - I know you provide more value than most including that 'awesome' webinar we did last week...

    The simple answer yes, money is a driving force for most - you know I'm not all about the money, but I think a lot of people can eventually spot the people who are all about the money if they are having continuous interaction with them such as being on their email list
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Its all about the benjamins baby lol like the song.

    Of course it all boils down to money but do it ethically. And I really enjoy Internet Marketing which makes it a lot easier.

    You always are gonna get a few silly comments from people that is too be expected.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      I don't want money. But I need it for my survival. If I don't have it, I'll die of starvation and illness. So therefore, everything is about the money. If I could live without money, I would do so. But I can't. Nobody can. But I just make sure that I don't ever take food out of another person's mouth.
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  • Profile picture of the author affilorama-portal
    It's about money. Every business, online or offline, strives to make money. Why else would anybody be in business for if not to make money? But for a significant number of marketers, it isn't just the money. There's also the satisfaction of being able to help others.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamian
    Hi Brad!

    Don't worry about it so much! Now is the time to prove yourself how good salesman you are! "NO" doesn't necessarily mean NO! Many sales made after people had said NO! This is what we do for living!

    Jamian.
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    • Profile picture of the author sydneypm
      I got a similar complaint (of course it was in my niche). I explained to her that I was very sorry she felt that way but this is how many people like to try products - that is why it is so popular. I then apologized to her and thanked her for taking the time to tell me how she felt. I gave her a free copy of one of my ebooks. She responded by replying again that she was sorry for being like that, having a bad day, etc. and then profusely thanked me for kindness.

      It is about money - but so what. So is my electric bill, gas bill, grocery bill, car payment, insurance, and so on. This work is what I do and I'll at least try to make the best experience for my readers and myself. That is all you can do. You don't know if it was really you or if he was having a bad day.

      So, since we all have to make money, let's just all try to get along! :p
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        No. Yes.

        I mean, no, it is not all about money. Yes, I mean, of course the money matters - who would love to starve just because they do not have the money?

        It is a balance that counts ultimately. And it has to be a healthy balance. Balance of money and non-money. The non-money portion is compliated - it may be how much you help others out, how much satisfaction you get for yourself, how much time do you spend outside work, how much of a social network and friends network you develop and so on.

        It is a complex equation and calculating a monetary value of the non-money portion is almost impossible since it is very subjective, but lets put it this way - the best balance for you is what you perceive as a healthy balance.
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        • Profile picture of the author ejullya
          Hi Brad,

          Marketers are people who are trying to earn an income. We work really hard at it. So it is about money but so is teaching, healthcare, sales offline and any other profession.

          I don't think you should feel bad. As long as you are promoting a product you researched well and you believe in.

          Dita
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          • Profile picture of the author Zanti
            Money is just another form of energy. We exchange energy everyday for all kinds of things. It's all about balance. We get a cable bill, the cable we receive is a form of energy. We pay the cable company with money which balances the energy we received from them.

            When someone does something nice from us, we balance the energy by dong something nice for them. Both are a form of energy.

            It's the imbalance of energy where the problems come. If we sell something that's crap or of less value than what we are asking for it, and someone gives us energy in the form of money to get it, then there is an imbalance of energy. This imbalance will even its-self out one way or another.

            Which is why many in IM who are only focused on getting the most money from their customer find in the long run they have no customers to get anything out of.

            It's really about abundance thinking or scarcity thinking. I chose abundance. It's much more fun and it keeps you in the game for the long haul. In my opinion.

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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
    Just about the money means that chasing dollars is the biggest motivator when you do something. You don't care if the product is crap, you don't care if your customers get scammed, you don't care about anything but how much money you are making.

    Sadly, yes there are way too many people who think like that.

    However, there are plenty others who only sell stuff they believe in 100%, never promote something to their list unless they truely believe it can benefit list members, who never use underhanded sales tactics, and who put whats right above all else.

    Those who say "we are all in it for the money no matter what anyone says" are usually just trying to deflect from the fact that they couldn't care less about their customers and only care about the money they can squeeze of them.

    Now, ethics means different things to everyone, as sad as that is. What one person finds completely ethical another would find so far beyond unethical that they would never consider doing it. It's very subjective and everyone has their own boundries.

    I'm not saying any particular side is right or wrong, just pointing out that there are differences and not everyone is in it purly "just for the money."

    There are plenty of us who would rather not make a cent than make a million selling crap. And before anyone blasts me for that comment, I have made almost nothing selling online stuff in the last 8 months because I haven't gotten a product finished yet that I believe in enough to actually charge anyone money for it. I would rather wait until I have a quality product and my customers get what they paid for than just through out crap just to keep the money rolling in hand over fist.
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    Cash rules everything around me....
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
    For the most part, marketing is about the money. We are all bombarded with Marketing messages that number in the hundreds if not thousands daily. The important takeaway is its ok to market to people as long as you are providing great value.



    Originally Posted by Brad Spencer View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    I'm asking this question to gauge people's opinion of marketers. I got a really nasty email that kind of bothered me.

    The product I was promoting to my list was 1$ and came with a 30 day trial to a great coaching program.

    I see no problem with these offers b/c they are easy to cancel (most of the time). I believe in personal responsibility so people shouldn't feel duped.

    However, I got a nasty email from someone sayin "Oh it's a $1 then it's $97 a month after that and you're only about the $$$$$$!" (This is a summary but he did use $$$$$ and it was ALL IN CAPS WHICH REALLY DRIVES ME CRAZY )

    Anyhow,

    So what do people think? Are marketers really just about the money?

    I don't think so (personally speaking of course) but I'm curious...

    Cheers,

    Brad
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Ho
    Unfortunately, yes it is. But it doesn't have to be a bad thing. For example, you can earn money but as long as you're offering a genuine product or service that you sincerely believe can help someone and there's no deception involved I think it's fine. I mean everyone has their own way to get food on the table.. this is just one of them. It's an honest business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I'd like to add one more thing. I've had many Warriors PM me asking for help. I help when I am able. I've never placed a price on helping someone. In fact, some have offered to pay me after I've helped them by cash via Paypal or by providing a service to me. I've declined the payment every time and told them to pay it forward.

    While each of us can only answer for our own self, it's not all about the money for me and for many others.

    Even when money is involved, it's an exchange of value.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      I'd like to add one more thing. I've had many Warriors PM me asking for help. I help when I am able. I've never placed a price on helping someone. In fact, some have offered to pay me after I've helped them by cash via Paypal or by providing a service to me. I've declined the payment every time and told them to pay it forward.

      While each of us can only answer for our own self, it's not all about the money for me and for many others.

      Even when money is involved, it's about an exchange of value unless it's a scam.
      Yep, and I can vouch for Dennis here. There are many good people on Warrior who are more than willing to help. Not everybody is a thieving money-hungry lunatic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jag82
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      Even when money is involved, it's an exchange of value.
      You are absolutely spot on Dennis. Spot on!

      Money is merely a symbolic representation of the
      transfer of value.

      I had a big big paradigm shift myself when I start
      focusing on creating value instead of focusing
      on how to create money as I did in the past.

      Jag
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      • Profile picture of the author bizwebstart
        I think when you are in business you will never keep all of your customers happy however much you try. There will always be one or two who will complain whatever you try and do.

        I even got complaints about free stuff and these people were rude as well.

        It used to worry me at first but after a while I realised I had many satisfied customers who weren't rude.

        You just have to move on.

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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Jag82 View Post

        You are absolutely spot in Dennis. Spot on!

        Money is merely a symbolic representation of the
        transfer of value.

        I had a big big paradigm shift myself when I start
        focusing on creating value instead of focusing
        on how to create money as I did in the past.

        Jag
        That's a very astute observation, Jag. I wanted to highlight the point so no one would miss it. I'll bet you also found that when you focus on creating value it's easier to sell the product.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jag82
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I'll bet you also found that when you focus on creating value it's easier to sell the product.
          Sure as hell.

          I remember Eben Pagan saying, "learn how to
          give $100 in value, and just asking for $10 in return".

          I was like....groaning!

          What took me so long to realize this???!!!

          It was a really BIG realization for me. A big "ah ha".
          And definitely a life-changer.

          Jag
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by Jag82 View Post

            Sure as hell.

            I remember Eben Pagan saying, "learn how to
            give $100 in value, and just asking for $10 in return".

            I was like....groaning!

            What took me so long to realize this???!!!

            It was a really BIG realization for me. A big "ah ha".
            And definitely a life-changer.

            Jag
            Not placing enough value on your own products is the flip side of that, and it can also be a defining realization. I'm glad you shared your big aha with everyone. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author thenextcameron
    Yes, yes, yes!
    Whatever marketer does in internet, it must be related with money. What is it for if not for money? Promoting your product with various ways because you want to earn money better!
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun OReilly
    Originally Posted by Brad Spencer View Post

    Are marketers really just about the money?
    Some marketers are just about the money.

    Not me.

    Instead I firmly believe in making money AND making meaning.

    And yes - it's possible to have both.

    In the careers I've had so far, I've always focused on helping
    others... and making money in the process.

    You gotta make money - that's for sure.

    I dislike the mercenary approach of some marketers who'll do
    anything for a buck - regardless of if the products they sell
    or pimp really help their customers.

    Genuinely focusing on the needs of customers and making
    decent money in the process is the way that works for me.

    I sleep better at night knowing that in the process of making
    money I've helped others in the process and have not taken
    advantage of anyone.

    After nearly 10 years in marketing I have an range of very
    powerful strategies to persuade people to pay me money -
    I'm just very selective in the ones I choose to use.

    Some other marketers who are just about the money will
    use any means possible - inlcuding getting their prospects
    into psychological headlocks, hypey claims and outright lies.

    I only use the methods that suit the way I want to interact
    with my prospects and customers. I treat others how I like
    to be treated and that's served me well over the years.

    Dedicated to your success,

    Shaun
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  • Profile picture of the author MassiveMarketer
    Yes. Marketing is a business to gain clients which is the main target. Therefore getting more clients mean getting more income. So if you want more traffic to your site, that would mean more money for you. It's mostly about the money but to some there's the thrill of 'how do I get to be number 1 out there'.

    It's nothing to be get bothered about really. Everyone uses it, everyone needs it. It's a necessity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dezire
    I try and help people with my sites, but really its about the money. I don't think anyone has started in IM for any other reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    i do not know anyone who does this for free do you? I mean if wasn't about profits they ould give everything away for free or give all profits to a charity. So my answer is YES.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    Oh I'm definately about it for the money aspect, however as time goes on it actualy becomes quite enjoyable and obviously satisfying!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I guess it depends on how you approach the question.

      As Dennis, Jag, Zanti and others have approached the question, the answer has to be "no" it's not all about the money. In this approach, money is just a measure of how much value is being provided.

      Approached another way, yes, it has to be about the money. Without the incentive of gathering something we can exchange for something we want, how many of us would be doing what we do, in the niches we are in?

      On some level, even respected charities are about the money.

      When they say they want to "raise awareness", they mean money.

      When they say they "need your support", they mean money.

      Last night on American Idol, they showed some video where they handed out mosquito nets in an African village. At some point, someone had to acquire or make the nets, package them and ship them to the village. All of those things required either the charity spend money or the donors forgo the opportunity to make money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jag82
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


        Approached another way, yes, it has to be about the money. Without the incentive of gathering something we can exchange for something we want, how many of us would be doing what we do, in the niches we are in?

        Hi John,

        Love your well-rounded input.

        Let me add on a little.

        Although my answer is a "no", it doesn't mean
        I downplaying the importance of money.

        Far from it. Money is important. No doubt about it.

        Without money...we can't do a lot things.

        We can't do things for our loved ones...and
        even our ability to contribute to the society
        at large is restricted if we lack money.

        What I want to drive at is that...
        if we focus more on giving...and adding value...
        the money will take care of itself.

        As I mentioned earlier, I'm also assuming
        you have to be a good seller and have
        good products/services.

        I bet Jeremy and you have given your
        customers a lot of value yourself, and
        whatever success you guys have are
        all well-deserved.

        I want to suggest that...let's keep an
        eye on the returns...but keep an even
        bigger focus on the value we give others.

        Warmly,
        Jag
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  • Profile picture of the author The_Archer
    Yes and no, find the happy medium. Yes because it is your "job" to bring products to the people's attention. No because you want to build a relationship with your customers for better results.

    It's like buying a brand new car. The salesman gets a commission... Buying a new car gives you a warranty! So, you will come back for scheduled free maintenance! By doing so, while waiting, you're going to look around and often you will find something you like and buy it!

    The essence of marketing is building strong relationships. Just having a website and advertising it, anyone can do that. If your customers can never each you, you aren't going to make a lot of money.

    Few tips:
    -Buy the product you are looking to promote, because you will will always give better content than those just copy and pasting other sites and articles. In this day and age, people want VALUE.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Originally Posted by Brad Spencer View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    I'm asking this question to gauge people's opinion of marketers. I got a really nasty email that kind of bothered me.

    The product I was promoting to my list was 1$ and came with a 30 day trial to a great coaching program.

    I see no problem with these offers b/c they are easy to cancel (most of the time). I believe in personal responsibility so people shouldn't feel duped.

    However, I got a nasty email from someone sayin "Oh it's a $1 then it's $97 a month after that and you're only about the $$$$$$!" (This is a summary but he did use $$$$$ and it was ALL IN CAPS WHICH REALLY DRIVES ME CRAZY )

    Anyhow,

    So what do people think? Are marketers really just about the money?

    I don't think so (personally speaking of course) but I'm curious...

    Cheers,

    Brad


    Answer is YES... Including the person who sent you that email

    All they were interested in was a way to make them $$$$$$$$$$ they just didnt want to pay for it

    Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author orlando cassara
    Yes they are all about the money that's what drive's Internet Marketers daily, to be able to work from home and give them financial freedom, but there are only a few that stay true to there customers and give it there all and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Nope it's not "just" about the money. But it's definitely a huge part of it. I think for most marketers it's what money can get them. I'm in a couple of niches where I have near countless opportunities to help people; people who have a problem that I used to have and know that I can help them with it.

    When I receive an e-mail or a phone call from someone who is getting results or say that I've changed their life........it makes my whole month - you cannot put a monetary value on that feeling. It only makes me want to do more for the customers and prospects alike. Shoot, I even send prospects to competitors that I think are a better fit for them! And not always with an affiliate link! lol

    Of course I do it for the money, but I don't ever see myself retiring in the conventional sense because I'm having way too much fun helping people AND making money (basically what Dennis just wrote!). In this case, you CAN have your cake and eat it too (with a side of coffee and Baileys of course).

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  • Profile picture of the author Phillips Pierce
    Yes, as a marketer your responsibility is to your business' bottom line (and shareholders if you have one).

    That does NOT mean that you can't deliver exceptional value all the same! You can deliver BOTH great value AND make money. That's what successful business is about.

    But if we're arguing semantics here then yes, as a business owner it all comes down to your bottom line [= $$$.

    Marketing and business is a profession and the aim is to make an income. That is the purpose of all our marketing actions. However does that matter? No, what matters is, are you delivering exceptional VALUE and satisfying your customers? If not then you won't last long anyway. If yes, then what's the problem? Nothing, you're giving and receiving in return, that is what business is about = trading value.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve L
      Originally Posted by Phillips Pierce View Post

      Yes, as a marketer your responsibility is to your business' bottom line (and shareholders if you have one).

      That does NOT mean that you can't deliver exceptional value all the same! You can deliver BOTH great value AND make money. That's what successful business is about.

      But if we're arguing semantics here then yes, as a business owner it all comes down to your bottom line [= $$$.

      Marketing and business is a profession and the aim is to make an income. That is the purpose of all our marketing actions. However does that matter? No, what matters is, are you delivering exceptional VALUE and satisfying your customers? If not then you won't last long anyway. If yes, then what's the problem? Nothing, you're giving and receiving in return, that is what business is about = trading value.
      I agree. While we're all in this to make a living, if you don't put the customer experience ahead of your desire to profit, it's unlikely you will be around for the long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author rickkettner
      Originally Posted by Phillips Pierce View Post

      Yes, as a marketer your responsibility is to your business' bottom line (and shareholders if you have one).

      That does NOT mean that you can't deliver exceptional value all the same! You can deliver BOTH great value AND make money. That's what successful business is about.
      QFT - good stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thinker1
    I certainly would say it depends on the person or the mission of the company. Not all marketers are after money. They could provide service in exchange for money. Don't take this personally. When you get e-mail like that push the delete button and move on. People with lack mentality usually don't like people that create products and sell for profit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    "Yes" of course we all about money ... like why would a company employ a sales team? Er ... to sell and er ... make money. They exist to make money.

    At the same time you have to ask "What's the difference between and sales man and a con man?"

    I'd probably say that a sales man provides a 'fair' exchange of goods for money. While a con man provides an unfair exchange of goods for money.

    I hope he unsubscribed!
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by MattyT View Post

      Absolutely. That's all I'm after. I don't even care if the customer likes my product as long as I grab that cash. dolla dolla bills y'all. CREAM. Screw the custy.
      A couple of years ago, I shared a fishing boat with a former lawyer. Things were a little slow, so we started chewing the fat. I asked him why he got out of practicing law. He told me he was sick and tired of spending his working days trying to help people he wouldn't consider inviting home for dinner. Now I know what he meant...
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        A couple of years ago, I shared a fishing boat with a former lawyer. Things were a little slow, so we started chewing the fat. I asked him why he got out of practicing law. He told me he was sick and tired of spending his working days trying to help people he wouldn't consider inviting home for dinner. Now I know what he meant...
        Don't look now but someone that you responded to has had all their posts removed and has been banned. I wonder how these kinds of things happen?
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  • Profile picture of the author Louise Green
    Even charities are all about the money..
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  • Profile picture of the author juanenjoyslife
    Yes we are in this game for the money, but not everything has to be about money as long as we are providing people with the knowledge, tools, and support they need to be successful. As long as you feel you are doing everything in your power to help them, there is no need to feel bad about what you charge. It will cost them WAY more to figure it out on their own and they are paying YOU to shorten their learning curve.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonB
    Everyone is about money, or, everything that is done today, is about money, whether you're an IM'er or the owner of an NFL team, I don't care who you are...

    "MONEY IS POWER"

    If you don't know already, "HELP" others, don't try to sell them anything, unless they ask what you have to offer...Build a relationship first, then do business.

    Check this out, the other day I signed up for an affiliate account of one of these online businesses because I thought it was good enough to promote. It gave me a free website, or I could buy 3 ready made websites. I went with the free site, of course. One day later, as an auto-response, I get an email on why I should upgrade. One day later? Are you kidding me? Why the "F" I should upgrade! See ya!

    I know for some of us its hard to do this, but I actually let some of my customers, if they ask, pay me after the work is done. So far, since I have done this, I have gotten more referral clients then I have ever before and a lot of repeat business.

    The problem with your $1 trial, is the fact that, if I were to forget that I signed up for your trial and then got charged $97 a month later, I would be furious. Lots of people forget about that, because the trial was so cheap. Or they miss the fine print, shoot that happens all the time.

    I think when you offer a trial, whether or not you mention what your going to be charged after the 30 days are up, that trial should automatically stop, no further transactions, after the allotted time-frame given. If I so choose to keep reading your material, or using your services, I will sign up or activate my subscription when it's time.

    Sorry to say, but I have run into several of your emails before. Now, I don't offer a trial. You signup for the full price now. Use what you signed up for, for 30 days, and if you don't like it after 28 days, cancel your subscription and move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by GuruCreation View Post


      The problem with your $1 trial, is the fact that, if I were to forget that I signed up for your trial and then got charged $97 a month later, I would be furious. Lots of people forget about that, because the trial was so cheap.
      I've never signed up for an offer like that, but if I did and I forgot to cancel, I wouldn't blame my forgetfulness on the marketer. If you forget, how is that someone else's fault?
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      • Profile picture of the author JasonB
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        I've never signed up for an offer like that, but if I did and I forgot to cancel, I wouldn't blame my forgetfulness on the marketer. If you forget, how is that someone else's fault?

        You're exactly right..., but I wasn't blaming him for it.. I would just be furious as to what the heck happened, because I only signed up for a $1 trial. My fault for not reading the website in its entirety or missing the fine print. Some people just feel like they are being tricked when its a free, or $1 or $7 trial, then they get another bill for whatever the price may be later - not realizing they were signing up to something that was a monthly subscription based service, that's all.

        I am just merely making suggestions so that he doesn't get another email like that, which he will because everyone is always trying to sell something.

        But, as we all know, nothing is "FREE" and everything "COSTS" something in some matter, shape or form - doesn't always have to be money though.

        Some of us do offer things for free though.

        Again - "MONEY IS POWER"
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Short answer, yes.

    That doesn't mean however that we don't provide value in the
    stuff we sell.

    At least, not in my case. I always try to sell top notch stuff to
    my customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    I am in the IM industry because I want to make money and in doing so teach others too.

    Anyone who does not do this for money and simply wants to "help people" is lying.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonB
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I am in the IM industry because I want to make money and in doing so teach others too.

      Anyone who does not do this for money and simply wants to "help people" is lying.

      Of course, money comes with the territory, but people are tired of being "SOLD" to. Everywhere you turn everyone and anyone is trying to sell you something.. It gets really stupid, you know?

      So, change the way you approach your potential customers or clients.. Grill them on how it will help them in whatever they are trying to accomplish. Don't talk about the price unless they ask, and when they do ask, show them proof and state the facts, and still avoid the price...

      Whatcha think Willis?
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      • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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        Originally Posted by GuruCreation View Post

        Of course, money comes with the territory, but people are tired of being "SOLD" to. Everywhere you turn everyone and anyone is trying to sell you something.. It gets really stupid, you know?

        So, change the way you approach your potential customers or clients.. Grill them on how it will help them in whatever they are trying to accomplish. Don't talk about the price unless they ask, and when they do ask, show them proof and state the facts, and still avoid the price...

        Whatcha think Willis?
        Welcome to 2010.

        That is the way it is.

        Not everything is going to be free around us.

        I walk into a designer shop and if I like a jacket I am going to pay $400 for it.

        I am not going to walk up to the guy and say "hey...?? you trying to sell me this? I want it for free man..."

        From time to time I interview my list - I carry out surveys and ask them on what content they would like to see and I create that content for them.

        But one has to create the valuable free content to make money.

        If every single person stopped selling then we would all might as well give up on our dreams

        P.S Price is not the issue.

        If you have a good quality product people will be happy to pay $197

        It is all about branding, reputation and a willingness to give the market what they want.

        Just look at the way APPLE has conducted its business practice over the last 5 years.

        It has produced quality products - Iphone, Ipod, Ipad etc.

        Apple MAC Pro books....the list goes on...

        Would I pay $1000 for an Apple Mac Pro?

        You bet I would.

        Would I pay $300 for a good quality pair of jeans? - Yep!
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I am in the IM industry because I want to make money and in doing so teach others too.

      Anyone who does not do this for money and simply wants to "help people" is lying.
      Imram, the question was, are marketers really JUST about the money. It's not JUST about the money for many of us. It is about the money, and primarily about the money, but not JUST about the money, yourself included according to your own words saying you want to teach others.

      The point is, no one need be lying when they say it's not JUST about the money. The money is usually the most important thing, but it's not the ONLY thing.

      It is about helping people as well. It's about feeling good about what you do. I've received emails that made me feel better by far about my products than the price tag ever could.

      We still need the money though, and should be and deserve to be paid for our work, but I've also given plenty of commercial products away. If it was JUST about the money, I wouldn't give a damn thing away.
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      • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
        Wow. Someone actually read the original post carefully and actually understood what was being discussed before making blanket statements. Will wonders never cease! J/K

        Seriously though, it seems quite a few people in this thread haven't the slightest clue about whats being discussed. No one is saying that it's NEVER about the money but there are many of us who are saying that the money is not the ONLY reason we do what we do.

        Everyone wants to make more money. No one has disputed that. However that in no way is what the OP asked or what has been discussed by most of us in this thread. The question was asked if it's JUST about the money, meaning that the money is the only motivation and there is nothing but the money.

        Many of us have said no, we are not here JUST for the money. My wife makes a full time income and I do what I do online because I'm a stay at home father and have the time to devote to an online business, without it taking any income away from my family. I do what I do because I love to write code, I like to help people, I enjoy being able to have discussions with like minded people, and many other reasons that have nothing at all to do with "the money."

        Yes, I do charge for my products. Yes, I do make money from my customers. But no, I do not do it ONLY FOR THE MONEY. Anyone who says we all do it for the money has no clue what is being discussed, has a serious problem with how they view business, or are just making blanket statements without even thinking about it.

        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Imram, the question was, are marketers really JUST about the money. It's not JUST about the money for many of us. It is about the money, and primarily about the money, but not JUST about the money, yourself included according to your own words saying you want to teach others.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zanti
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          It is about helping people as well. It's about feeling good about what you do. I've received emails that made me feel better by far about my products than the price tag ever could.

          We still need the money though, and should be and deserve to be paid for our work, but I've also given plenty of commercial products away. If it was JUST about the money, I wouldn't give a damn thing away.
          Originally Posted by Johnny Slater View Post

          Yes, I do charge for my products. Yes, I do make money from my customers. But no, I do not do it ONLY FOR THE MONEY. Anyone who says we all do it for the money has no clue what is being discussed, has a serious problem with how they view business, or are just making blanket statements without even thinking about it.
          With Great Wealth Comes Great Responsibility - In the attempts towards acquiring great wealth also comes great responsibility.

          I find myself having to be careful in threads like this. Why? Because it becomes apparent that some, in my opinion, get the topic and some don't. I have to be careful that I don't make judgments based on replies. Some may just not have understood the OP. There have been some replies here that would make it hard for me, at least based on their reply, to do business with them. I'll leave that for another discussion.

          Either people get it or they don't. Maybe they will later or they won't. I don't lose any energy either way. I do applaud those that do get it.

          [The Golden Rule: XII. Realizing that enduring happiness comes only through helping others find it; that no act of kindness is without its reward, even though it may never be directly repaid, I will do my best to assist others when and where the opportunity appears. ~ Law of Success - Napoleon Hill.]

          [9. Nothing builds confidence and volume faster or better than a reputation for standing behind one's work or products. Guarantees should always be in the customer's favor. A generous service policy should also be maintained. The firm that is known to be completely reliable will have little difficulty filling its order books and keeping them filled.

          10. No matter how many millions an individual amasses, if he is in business he must always consider his wealth as a means for improving living conditions everywhere. He must remember that he has responsibilities toward his associates, employees, stockholders, - and the public. ~ How To Be Rich: J. Paul Getty.]

          [You must so impress others that they will feel that in associating with you they will get increase for themselves. See that you give them a use value greater than the cash value you are taking from them. ~ "The Science of Getting Rich" - Wallace D. Wattles.] (this is the exchange of energy I was referring to in my earlier post)

          As Dennis, Johnny and several others have said; it's not JUST about the money. Yes we need it to do what we what to do, for me that is providing the opportunity to give my gifts and talents to the world and receive energy as compensation.

          For me it's about Doing Things In A Certain Way - Not Just About The Money.

          In Gratitude and Success,

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      • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Imram, the question was, are marketers really JUST about the money. It's not JUST about the money for many of us. It is about the money, and primarily about the money, but not JUST about the money, yourself included according to your own words saying you want to teach others.

        The point is, no one need be lying when they say it's not JUST about the money. The money is usually the most important thing, but it's not the ONLY thing.

        It is about helping people as well. It's about feeling good about what you do. I've received emails that made me feel better by far about my products than the price tag ever could.

        We still need the money though, and should be and deserve to be paid for our work, but I've also given plenty of commercial products away. If it was JUST about the money, I wouldn't give a damn thing away.


        So you saying you do IM for a voluntary basis?

        The whole world revolves around money and with money comes rewards.

        For example, if it was JUST THE MONEY I would not be giving away my products for free when people email me telling me they cannot afford to pay because of a few bills and sometimes one has to show compassion and have a heart to give away your products for free.

        For me personally, I love doing IM. Its my passion and I love creating products for different markets.

        The point I am making is no one on this forum is doing this for free - every single person is in the IM Industry to make money but at the same time I have some people emailing me asking me "to coach them on making money online" and when I ask them about their passion and what area they want to go into some are clueless which puts the statement into perspective - Money or Passion?



        Just ask Frank Kern.
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    • Profile picture of the author MJ Sterling
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I am in the IM industry because I want to make money and in doing so teach others too.

      Anyone who does not do this for money and simply wants to "help people" is lying.
      I have to agree with that. Nobody is doing this for their health.
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    To agree with Louise, so are non-profit organizations :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Brian, every time I read one of your posts I feel I'm a little better off for doing so.

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  • Profile picture of the author Zanti
    Thank you Dennis. I think we feel the same. Ahh, I know we do. As I said you get it. As several others here do. One of the things I found in my years of consulting is that my clients who were interested in providing value instead of JUST focusing on the money received more money in the long run.

    I'll give you an example. Now this goes back several years ago, but it's just as valid today as it was then.

    I had a client who was a design engineer. He was good at what he did and had a good company. Actually very good. I was able to get him into Chrysler. The buyer wanted to give him a contract for over 1 million dollars. I talked to my client about the contract and he said to me, "while I would love to have that contract, my operation is not set up right now to handle that much and I can't give them what they desire. It's important to me to give them more than what they expect."

    So we went back to Chrysler and said to them thanks, but, what we would like is a job in the area of $300 - $500 thousand. Well, Sam got the contract and several more after that. The buyer said to me, that was the first time he had someone turn down a million dollar contract. That buyer gained more respect for Sam and his company in that moment than anything else Sam could have ever done. I also learned again, in that moment, that it's not about the money. It's about Doing Things In A certain Way. That's what my client, Sam, did, and he received more in the long term than if he had only been about the money. Sam, got it. Many in IM don't. But fortunately some do.

    That's why those of us who believe in abundance and Doing Things In A Certain Way, don't lose energy over competition, or on leaving money on the table. The money that is out there in the world of IM is like gains of sand on the beach. I don't have to fight with anyone for a grain of sand. There are miles and miles of beach with billions of grains of sand. All I have to do is be creative, not competitive.

    Now I could also tell you a story about a client who did go after the money and got it, and grew her company into a large multimillion dollar a year operation, In the tune of over $80 million a year and several plants around the country. After about 10 years of that she filed for bankruptcy. She didn't get it. But she thought she did. But that's another story for another time.


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    • Profile picture of the author Geoff A
      My understanding is that IM is business. Business is not just about money - it is about the exchange of goods and services for money. There are regulatory bodies that attempt to ensure that this exchange is fair.

      So it would seem Internet Marketer's do indeed have the responsibility to be concerned about more than just the money
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    • Profile picture of the author Geoff A
      Originally Posted by Zanti View Post

      . One of the things I found in my years of consulting is that my clients who were interested in providing value instead of JUST focusing on the money received more money in the long run.

      Brian, there is a new book been released that looks at this very topic - it's called "Obliquity" by a guy named John Kay, a British economist
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  • The short answer is YES.

    We live in a capitalist society and, professionally wise, 99% of what we do is related in one way or another to money. Whether we like it or not, the lust for money is what keeps our social model rolling.

    That being said, it's a good idea in the long run to market quality products that can genuinely help our prospects/subscribers/audience. "Responsible marketing", so to speak
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    Cash rules everything around me
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    By definition, marketing is about money.

    As Dennis mentioned, you can certainly help people as you make money, in fact helping people is one of the most effective ways to market and make money. Help enough people get want they want (or need) and you will get want you want (or need).
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    • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      By definition, marketing is about money.

      As Dennis mentioned, you can certainly help people as you make money, in fact helping people is one of the most effective ways to market and make money. Help enough people get want they want (or need) and you will get want you want (or need).
      Marketing is about money..but marketing is also about meeting the needs of the customer.

      Customer will always say..

      "meet my needs"..
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Payne
    Personally for me IM is a hobby and it's not just about the money.I do it for fun everyday and i enjoy it. Of course that at the end of the day i check my accounts to see how much i made because money are also a reason but not the only one.I've been doing IM for a very long time and i guess i got used to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Profit-smart
    Yes.

    No.

    You can sell someone a piece of junk car, and turn back the odomoter - you make a few sales.

    You price your cars cheaper, tell the truth, and gain a reputation as a honest merchant.

    You make a much larger volume of sales.


    Providing value; making your customers happy, IS what makes you money.


    As for the dissinter in your list; You can never please everyone.

    How does the old saying go..

    "You could give a million people, a million dollars each, and someone would complain about the bag it came in."
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