I could use clickbank - but before I do is there an alternative

by KenJ 25 replies
Please help me here if you can

I have a product up and ready

I have sold a few through my own efforts. About .75 conversion rate at present.

All the glitches and set up issues have been resolved. (Hopefully)

So now I am ready to promote my product through JV and affiliates. Before I go for the Clickbank route which seems to be the easiest way to go..... Is there any other option I should consider
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  • Profile picture of the author Janet Sawyer
    There most certainly is!

    Clickbank! erm, don't even get me started on that one. Every Time I've tried to use thier system it has cost me plenty.
    Everything I've tried to buy has cost me 17.5% in added VAT

    Every time I've tried to promote through them it's cost me, in more ways than one.
    Dormant account fees because the sales have not been forthcomming!

    I reckon to date alone, Clickbank have taken my $49 set up fee, my $43 first sale, my next 2 x $23 sales and the last $27 sale is being eaten away as I type. Guess I chose the wrong products to promote, but then again, they've won big style from one little seller, wonder how many more there are out there who have been robbed in the same way.

    If you are confident your product will sell well on the marketplace without the clickbank market place, then I have the ideal solution for you.
    Secure digital download, Your own affiliate program etc. Discount coupon to use for your jv's affiliates....

    Just send me a pm and I'll set you up with a special deal one of the best scripts available. .

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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post

      Every time I've tried to promote through them it's cost me, in more ways than one.
      Dormant account fees because the sales have not been forthcomming!

      I reckon to date alone, Clickbank have taken my $49 set up fee, my $43 first sale, my next 2 x $23 sales and the last $27 sale is being eaten away as I type.
      It doesn't have to be eaten away.

      I am sending you a PM

      Harvey
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    There's PayDotCom, which is a nice alternative, you get paid directly into paypal.

    There's also the Rapid Action Profits script, which allows you to set up your own affiliate program, and pay affiliates instantly with paypal.

    There are a few other self hosted solutions as well. The benefit to Clickbank is the free exposure to affiliates.
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      • Profile picture of the author pjs
        As Janet points out, Clickbank isn't the "end all be all".

        I personally use a custom built system to handle my transactions, support, product delivery, etc. but I did give Clickbank a go and wound up disappointed with their service. Unfortunately they have a ready made affiliate force, which is awesome if you have a good product.

        Someone already recommended Paydotcom, which is supposed to be great too but I have a big problem with the system only accepting Paypal. That cuts out quite a lot of buyers. Paypal makes up like 80% of my sales but without my merchant account I may be missing up to 20% of my sales!

        There are other companies online that can manage the affiliate aspect for you. You can rotate the payment processor based on who sent the visitor to you, etc. There are scripts for that. This is useful so that an affiliate on Paydotcom will make sure they get their commission but will not force ALL visitors to pay via Paydotcom.

        Sorry, this sort of turned into a ramble on my part. I hope I was clear hehe

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      • Profile picture of the author Len47811
        My mentor promotes click2sell,he is from UK and it seems to be a UK company,however he lives in Greece.Seems like a hard choice to make.It would seem if you have a product yourself that clickbank makes the most sense and if you are an affiliate maybe not,based on this thread anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          Hi Peter,

          Paypal makes up like 80% of my sales but without my merchant account I may be missing up to 20% of my sales!
          Or maybe....
          that other 20% would just pay with Paypal, since they can use the same debit/credit card they currently use with your merchant account, or pay by eCheck.

          How many schoolteachers, golfers, moto-x'ers, etc have even heard of your payment processor? Wanna bet they DO know and trust Paypal?

          Just a thought.
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          • Profile picture of the author Chris Reeves
            Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

            Hi Peter,


            Or maybe....
            that other 20% would just pay with Paypal, since they can use the same debit/credit card they currently use with your merchant account, or pay by eCheck.

            How many schoolteachers, golfers, moto-x'ers, etc have even heard of your payment processor? Wanna bet they DO know and trust Paypal?

            Just a thought.
            Would have to agree...and even if they don't have a paypal account there is an option to pay even if you don't have an account on the Paypal payment page. It's basically is the same thing as filling out a merchant account form.

            Sometimes I don't even use PayPal when it's offered..just because, lol. But if it was the only payment method offered, I don't think many of your 20% would hesitate to buy.

            Just my .02

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Forey
    I use Rapid Action Profits

    Pros: Affiliates like it because it pays right to their paypal.
    Only Paypal fees
    Cons: You have to get your own affiliates as there is not marketplace like clickbank.

    Michael Forey
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Canyon
    Ken,

    Rapid Action Profits is well worth checking out. Sid's the creator, provides
    excellent support and now there's even a recurring billing and membership
    add-on too.

    I love RAP...

    If you want more info just follow the sig file under Sid Hale above.

    Cheers,

    Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author budfox
    I would also take a look at Flex ePayment, especially if selling to an international audience.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Ahh,

    Always a pleasure to see the 'Rappers' out in force.

    Ken, RAP will do everything you need and then some.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author JOhnny Depth
    Neverblueads, paydotcom, commision junction and many more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charann Miller
    paydot.com is good. You get paid directly into your Paypal account which frees up your funds faster to reinvest into your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Brian
    I would still choose Clickbank because of the Marketplace. When you get a pretty good score in it, getting affiliates will be on auto-pilot and it will all add up as time goes by.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    One of my favorite alternatives is Commission Junction (CJ.com):

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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini View Post

      One of my favorite alternatives is Commission Junction (CJ.com):
      Doesn't CJ cost a bunch to become a merchant on? Also, I had heard they weren't very friendly to info products such as ebooks...is that the case?
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy McDonald
        Originally Posted by Haltingpoint View Post

        Doesn't CJ cost a bunch to become a merchant on? Also, I had heard they weren't very friendly to info products such as ebooks...is that the case?
        They cost a boat load of money are stuffy and not worth. I know I ran a program using CJ for 5 years with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author FlightGuy
    I recently had a problem with ClickBank as well, and have decided to pull my own product completely from it. I was furious. I switched to PayDotCom to see how that one goes. I might look into Rapid Action Profits too.
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    • Profile picture of the author guruwill
      Gents

      Does RAP negate the need for DLGuard, or do they work in tandem?

      Can RAP handle this issue:

      I have a free report ebook to give away and a second ebook to sell to the list built from signing up to get the free ebook.

      My question is this - what is the easiest way for me to give JV people a free ebook for them to give away to their lists and track their sales from that? I can see that I want to give them a link to a new sign-up page, as I don't want anyone to get the free ebook without going on to my list, but how do I then track that subscriber (I presume they have now gone on to an Aweber list) if they later buy an upsell product?
      Thanks.

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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Hi Will,

        Originally Posted by guruwill View Post

        Does RAP negate the need for DLGuard, or do they work in tandem?
        I think so, but I do have one customer that I know of that loves DLGuard.

        Can RAP handle this issue:

        I have a free report ebook to give away and a second ebook to sell to the list built from signing up to get the free ebook.

        My question is this - what is the easiest way for me to give JV people a free ebook for them to give away to their lists and track their sales from that? I can see that I want to give them a link to a new sign-up page, as I don't want anyone to get the free ebook without going on to my list, but how do I then track that subscriber (I presume they have now gone on to an Aweber list) if they later buy an upsell product?
        Thanks.
        RAP has a separate sign up page for JV partners vs. standard affiliates, and it requires the entry of a "secret" code (that you can change at will). That means that others may find your JV sign up page - but without the code, it's worthless to them.

        Thee standard JV Sign up page contains a form for them to fill out. It records them into your RAP database (from which you can broacast mail), plus it can put them on a separate autoresponder if you like.

        The standard JV Sign UP "thank you" page contains a form that they can fill out to receive a free copy of your product (optional) but they must register again to receive it. That logs a $0.00 sale to the RAP database, so that you have a record of their ownership right along with the rest of your customers.

        I think that answers your direct question.

        I wouldn't do that for the free report, however. There is an affiliate tools page with RAP. You can put a download to your freebie (re-brandable) on that page so that all affiliates and JV partners have access to it, and can drive sales to your paid product. They'll make more sales, you'll get your share, and your affiliates will be more active when you give them more and better tools to help them sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Maybe this will work...

    You wouldn't want to miss clickbank because of the sheer number of affiliates trying to promote the product but you want to reduce the risks of using just clickbank.

    If that's that case: Setup TWO salesletters, one salesletter for Clickbank, one saleletter for RAP, PayDotCom, etc.

    In short, one salesletter for one payment system. All salesletter remain the same, only the payment link is different.

    Then... TEST and see if Clickbank is giving you problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haltingpoint
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      Maybe this will work...

      You wouldn't want to miss clickbank because of the sheer number of affiliates trying to promote the product but you want to reduce the risks of using just clickbank.

      If that's that case: Setup TWO salesletters, one salesletter for Clickbank, one saleletter for RAP, PayDotCom, etc.

      In short, one salesletter for one payment system. All salesletter remain the same, only the payment link is different.

      Then... TEST and see if Clickbank is giving you problems.
      I think I'll be using this approach when I launch my first product. Any recommendations on which should be the homepage? My guess is the RAP version (not CB) since then I don't get as big a cut taken out since its just the PayPal fee and not the CB one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenneth L
    Don't overcomplicate things.

    The main thing you should focus on is your sales letter and whether or not it is a hot market.

    If people don't want what you're selling and/or the sales letter isn't converting it doesn't matter what processor you're selling with.

    Get the site up using Paypal or whatever, send PPC traffic see if you're getting results and then think about doing an affiliate program if they're good.

    Focus on the critical few things not the vast amounts of LMS (Lesser Mortal S**T!) that is so easy to get caught up in.

    Kenneth
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  • Profile picture of the author takingaction
    I agree with what Kenneth (directly above) says in general, but I think he's missing the point of the question.

    The question was whether there was another option than Clickbank to use with JV's and affiliates. As many have stated, the answer is YES! And, like many others, I recommend Rapid Action Profits. You can use it on unlimited sites and it comes with unlimited upgrades. I've got it on 3 sites already and am very pleased.
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