WSO's selling info from WF threads...WTF?

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Ok, this is gonna be a bit amiguous, because I can't prove things one way or another...

But this post:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...opt-forms.html

Turns up from a different member, in the form of a paid WSO 2 days after this post above was made.

What do you guys think of this kind of thing? Does it piss you off, or make you suspicious?

Because I can't say or know what the real deal is here, I can't call people out or pass comment...after all, it could just be a coincidence.

But I'm seeing this: Thread was posted, offering a really cool tip off. The thread sets on fire, but a couple of days later falls off #1 page where most eyeballs are...

...and then a WSO arrives selling the same thing.

I don't know what to think about this, maybe I shouldn't care...but there's something that doesn't sit right with me here and I just don't know how to air it.
#info #selling #threadswtf #wso
  • Profile picture of the author winebuddy
    Nick, maybe that was a bit of "test marketing"? Seems unusual to me but if someone wanted the info, all they would have to do is search the forum for it.

    What would be even more ridiculous would be if it was another forum member pirating his stuff/idea and selling it.

    Edited: Oh! it WAS a different forum member! Now that seems bad.
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  • I was the guy who made the original post, and I did see the WSO.

    I didn't buy the WSO, but it looked as if it was much more in-depth than my simple piece of code. I didn't see a problem with it. If someone bought it and found it was just a different version of what the post offered then I figure it's good they got the info one way or another!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
      Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter View Post

      I was the guy who made the original post, and I did see the WSO.

      I didn't buy the WSO, but it looked as if it was much more in-depth than my simple piece of code. I didn't see a problem with it. If someone bought it and found it was just a different version of what the post offered then I figure it's good they got the info one way or another!
      That's fair enough Kevin. I guess if you don't mind, then nobody else would...and if the WSO is offering more than your post, then that's cool anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    I don't mind if it's more detailed and helpful but I hate it when people simply copy and paste from other people's posts (usually from the other forums) and create their PDFs and sell them as their own products.

    I know it's knida off the point but I really had to say what I just did.
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  • It's also possible the person who did the WSO had it planned for weeks, meticulously creating the perfect code, having a graphic designer put together killer sales graphics and hiring Vin to write his WSO copy, only to come to the forum two days before launch and see me giving away his precious product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Kevin,
      It's also possible the person who did the WSO had it planned for weeks, meticulously creating the perfect code, having a graphic designer put together killer sales graphics and hiring Vin to write his WSO copy, only to come to the forum two days before launch and see me giving away his precious product.
      Your attitude in this thread is the most refreshing, sensible and well-considered set of responses I've seen to such a subject in a very long time. Thank you.

      I see Nick's point, and it's something I've thought about before. I'm not trying to diminish the value of the question at all. We do need to think about such things. It's just really nice to see this kind of "no villains necessary" approach.


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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
    I feel others would of got angry here but your here attitude is excellent!
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    Wow your Attitutde is great, really refreshing to see someone who is genuinely out to help other IMers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Thompson
    I agree with Kevin, who posted the code originally. The code is not something really secret. It's basic code you can find anywhere. If someone sells it as a package of explained information and the buyer is not willing to search to get it free, then power to the seller. The market is very self regulating here. If customers are willing to pay, people will sell stuff to them.

    There are a TON of opportunities to take the great info here, package up WSOs based on the info (the INFO, not the CONTENT) and sell them. There's really nothing wrong with it. It saves a buyer time, in some cases.
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  • I once created a WSO. While I was creating the WSO, another WSO was posted along the same lines.

    I say that to say, you dont know how long that warrior worked on that WSO. He could have been working on it for weeks, and out of the blue a thread appears on the subject. Or... that thread might have forced him to put it out sooner than he wanted to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Everybody would love to think that they came up with an idea that nobody
      else has thought of, and sometimes they do.

      But more realistically, most ideas, even if you came up with it on your own,
      somebody else somewhere came up with something similar.

      There are several reasons for this, but the most common is simple.

      There just isn't all that much in IM that's new.

      Paul Myers, a year or so ago (maybe longer) started a thread where he
      essentially challenged people to name something on the Internet in regard
      to marketing that was new.

      Almost everything that was brought up had been around long before the
      Internet in some form or another.

      Truth is, the smart IMers take proven tactics and put their own little
      spin on them.

      A couple of years ago, I thought I had come up with something new in
      regard to current trends.

      Turned out, when I made the post here in the forum, somebody had
      brought up that another marketer (can't remember his name) had come
      out with something similar not too long before I did.

      It was inevitable.

      Google came out with a new little toy and anybody who had any insight
      at all was going to jump on it and put their own spin on it.

      Giving the WSO poster the benefit of the doubt, there is a good chance
      that this is exactly what happened here.

      Truth is, I can't remember the last time a marketer truly came out with
      something that was so new that I had to take notice. Almost all things
      shared in this main forum I've either been using myself or, at the very
      least, heard about it.

      There just isn't a heck of a lot that's really new folks.

      At least not to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    .....What do you guys think of this kind of thing? Does it piss you off, or make you suspicious?
    About 4 or 5 years ago it would have made me VERY suspicious because I used to shoot first then ask questions later. Today, not so much because I'd like to think I've had some personal development and maturity that's allowed me to now take a step back and ask questions first then holster the gun. I look for other red flags now than just the timing. I buy very few WSOs these days, mostly because I don't find many that meet my specific business needs.

    Since I buy very few WSOs these days I don't have enough empirical data to prove either way. So I'm reserving judgment and am brewing some more Hazelnut coffee.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Unless it was copied word for word, I see nothing wrong with it. Instead, I think it displays good entrepreneurial thinking.

      After all, as infopreneurs (info entrepreneurs) we package information. So, you see some good info in a thread ... you package it nicely ... and sell it. That's smart!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      o I'm reserving judgment and am brewing some more Hazelnut coffee.

      RoD

      Hazelnut coffee? How the mighty have fallen. What has happened to you Rod?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by Steve Ranger View Post

        I feel others would of got angry here but your here attitude is excellent!
        I agree 100% (and with others who replied in the same vein)...Kevin, your attitude is so mature and mild mannered, and filled with a sort of abundance.

        I feel a bit stupid for starting this thread now, but I do want to say - the only reason I started it was because it did seem a bit weird, even though obviously I have absolutely no grounds to make accusations or point fingers.

        I agree with Mr Riley - this is the nature of info marketing, or any kind of marketing for that matter. I just had a bit of a twitch about it being so close to stepping on toes...

        ...although, the more I think about it, the more I think:

        If someone has the spirit to sell what is essentially free, and VERY easy to access in the SAME website/forum, then ultra kudos for actually doing it and making sales and happy customers! If the buyers find out this info can be had for free, are they really getting a bad deal, or are they just paying to save time in what would otherwise be a search in Google or on this very forum?

        I think we all know the answer.

        I don't know why I'm telling you this, it's like I'm having a private debate within my own head, publicly...(looks around the room for an excuse to leave promptly and with dignity)
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  • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
    I'm a little mixed; certainly I would love any WSO to add value to a post or series of posts.

    But... how much of IM is simply gathering info freely available on the web, packaging it, making it more convenient for the end user and charging for the convenience?

    Regards,
    PCRoger.

    P.S. - Great attitude, Kevin.
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