How much money do you have to make before you can officially be a Guru?

16 years ago

It has nothing to do with how much you make.

You gain 'Guru Status' by creating a reputable name for yourself, and providing good quality information for your particular niche.

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JamieBing

16 years ago

Originally Posted by webdesignhq

It has nothing to do with how much you make.

You gain 'Guru Status' by creating a reputable name for yourself, and providing good quality information for your particular niche.

- Jared

Exactly right and there are MANY out there making as much if not more than the Guru's but they do it quietly and typically with pen names. Not everyone wants to be "known".

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Norma Holt

16 years ago

Many call themselves gurus and may be referred to as such when there is money to be made. I don't trust the term. People I trust and deal with rarely use it and they are the real experts.

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Jared Alberghini

16 years ago

Originally Posted by norma

Many call themselves gurus and may be referred to as such when there is money to be made. I don't trust the term. People I trust and deal with rarely use it and they are the real experts.

Agreed: 'GURU' is simply a marketing term in my views.

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djleon1 16 years ago

I do not trust the "guru" title. Most of us operate small and dream big and may think the guru has the "secret to making $1000 a day" and maybe they do. The best guru's are those who teach and provide quality without the bombast.

I, of course, am far too humble to say what a guru I am.

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Norma Holt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

Longtime lurker here, just started posting today.

I can't count how many posts I've read on this site where someone has asked how he or she can start making $50/day online or some paltry amount like that, then in their sig file is a link that says "I MADE $20,000 IN TWO HOURS!!!!! CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN TOO!!!!!"

Welcome to the forum. hahahaha! You are spot on. I addressed this recently in another thread. Many so-called gurus have others to design their sites, write their articles, distribute their material, and suckers to market their products which are all affiliate programs using just these headlines.

If they truly were the geniuses of the Internet they would be doing most of this themselves.

I just yawn now when I see such quotes including this one "work at home in your underpants." If that ever turned anyone on I would like to know who?

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Dixiebelle

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheEnforcer

I can't count how many posts I've read on this site where someone has asked how he or she can start making $50/day online or some paltry amount like that, then in their sig file is a link that says "I MADE $20,000 IN TWO HOURS!!!!! CLICK HERE TO FIND OUT HOW YOU CAN TOO!!!!!"

I heard that!! Isn't it sad?

BTW - welcome.

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Andyhenry

16 years ago

You don't have to make money to be called a Guru. Many Gurus I've seen were making much less than me at their selected 'speciality' when they proclaimed themselves a Guru or let others call them it.

If you want to be one - just pick a subject and declare yourself the Guru of it.

It's as simple as that.

If you want to ramp it up - just get some other people to call you the guru of it and go around asking people about you. The better known these people are - the bigger Guru you'll be (and quicker).

For example, you could setup a membership site 'coaching' people on social bookmarking and declare yourself the social bookmarking Guru tomorrow.

Some people will even pay you good money to hear what you've got to say.

If you write a book and put it on Amazon this works even better.

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AlexKaplo

16 years ago

I like to be called an online prodigy...haha

No but I seriously would consider a person a "Guru" if he or she was making 3000$-3500$/month...

In other words, if you have quit your J.O.(BS) and have had that income replaced by your home business, or online ventures then I personally would consider you a Guru in your niche.

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Ross Goldberg

16 years ago

Some very interesting answers here...

Being a "Guru" is not based on you. Your audience decides.

I would not ever call someone a guru, unless they squirm at the thought of being one. Modesty is everything in this situation.

No true guru would ever refer to themselves as one (except Rich Schefren).

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vorales 16 years ago

Hi Warriors,

Well i should say its a fantastic thread.

GURU is an Ancient word from India which resembles Guru as a Teacher.

I guess Guru would be the one who teaches his students about life ,Guru guides you the path of Honesty,Dignity,Success,Happiness and joy and helps you or makes you ready to attain your main objective in life as what you wanna be.He guides us :

1)How to live in this world ?
2)How to make money?
3)How to interact with people.
4) Teaches you the Leadership skills.
5) Motivates you can do it.

For me a true Gure would teach you and guide you the path of SUCCESS without his own interest.Teaches you to understand what is right and what is wrong for you.

In todays world the meaning of GURU has changed as a matter of fact every one is chasing for money and they need some one who can teach them about how to make money and thats it.
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Kevin Birch

16 years ago

Have you guys ever come across Experts Index from GuruDAQ.com ?

Makes interesting reading . . .

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Emailrevealer 16 years ago

I suspect there are quite a few gurus that barely make 200 a day.
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- jcmentor 16 years ago
  
  The term "guru" is a cornerstone of the old "good guys" versus the "bad guys" scenario - an invention of lesser known internet marketers who are looking to position themselves with potential customers as "the good guy" (me) versus "the bad guys" (the gurus).
  
  Generally speaking, the good guys share everything they have and everything they know openly and with unremitting generosity.
  
  The bad guys (the gurus) are only interested in grabbing your money and giving you as little in return as they can get away with.
  
  Don't you just hate the gurus?
  
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- Killer Joe 16 years ago
  
  I think Ross Goldberg nailed it with his answer.
  
  "Being a "Guru" is not based on you. Your audience decides."
  
  You can't annoint yourself a guru. It's a title that gets bestowed. At least if it is to have any credibility.
  
  You can't go around telling everybody "I'm a guru" anymore than you can go around telling everybody "I stopped beating my wife". The claims are different, but the reaction is the same.
  
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  [Disclaimer - I have written real estate investing (REI) humor for a number of years. Appearently, I'm a guru in REI. In fact, if you Google the phrase - the best guru in rei - the #1 ranking result is about me. Trust me, I had nothing to do with it. You have to earn this stuff.
  
  Now, if I could only use that to get a Cabinet position in the next administration I might be able to do some good with it. I can see it now, "Secretary of Where The Hell Did The Money Go". But I guess that position will go to some Wall Street banker.]
  
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TheMagicShow

16 years ago

Why does it even matter if you are called a guru or not, just conduct your business and try to grow them profits. There are tons of sucessful business individuals that make guru level money and beyond and yet careless for that label 'GURU' .

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Norma Holt

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Magic Mel

Why does it even matter if you are called a guru or not, just conduct your business and try to grow them profits. There are tons of sucessful business individuals that make guru level money and beyond and yet careless for that label 'GURU' .

Well put Mel.

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Paul Myers

16 years ago

Jack,

The term "guru" is a cornerstone of the old "good guys" versus the "bad guys" scenario - an invention of lesser known internet marketers who are looking to position themselves with potential customers as "the good guy" (me) versus "the bad guys" (the gurus).

Nice summary. Put that together with Ross' comments, and you've expressed the whole discussion in two short paragraphs.

That is... as it relates to money-making niches.

To the rest of the world, guru just means expert or teacher. The only 'normal' people who use the term as an insult are the same folks who sneer when they say 'intellectual.'

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VegasVince 16 years ago

LMAO!

As long as Warriors look for Gurus.....Gurus will stay flush in dollars. As long as Warriors look at Gurus...as third party bail bondsmen...they're screwed.

The only guru who is ever gonna save you'se people is the one that resides between your ears....assuming there's any room left for calling your own shots.

There is no one that gives a shit about you as much as you. I know this for sure. So do you...if you wake up.

Never figured out why people bend over for others...gurus and the beautiful peeps... and think some third party is gonna save them from being a loser.

That bangin' their credit card for someone else's gain..... is gonna take them to Xanadu via some book, course, or launch for $797.

Unbelievable....but true. Buy information and use it.....cuz that's prudent. Buy a dream...and hope some hot blonde genie drops out of the sky and gives you the key to her Mercedes...and you're a friggin' idiot. Most are. That's why "gurus" exist. Don't blame them.

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Rachel Goodchild

16 years ago

I see it purely in terms of marketing.
I wrote a book on something. was interviewed on television about it, myname came up wth "literacy expert" next to it.
On telly? Must be real. I got alot ofleverage out of that, though there will always be more people with more knowledge than me.
The labels placed on us by others, either good, or bad, tend to stick.

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Steve Peters Benn

16 years ago

Harsh but fair Vince, a lot of people spend time buying and reading, and avoid taking action etc.

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JayXtreme 16 years ago

LOL...

I'm shocked people pay this much attention to titles... you should make graft(work, something to do) for your mind and you wouldn't have time to think up these crazy questions..

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- marcanthony 16 years ago
  
  You are a "Guru" when you are the creator of Myspace and you sale it for half of a billion dollars.
  
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tonybhachu

16 years ago

I've got no idea!
In my book you're a "Guru" when other people start calling you that...
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Dennis Sim

16 years ago

Will the thread starter get warn as "Affiliate Links" are not allowed as signature lines. He got 3!

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Joseph Then

16 years ago

Hey, I'm a Guru! Buy from me!

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16 years ago

I think you can classify yourself as a guru if you are making $1 million a year and if other people are calling you a guru.

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Peter Bestel

16 years ago

How much do you have to make before you can officially be a guru?

$2,046,456.56 when I last looked. That's gross!!

I was thinking of proclaiming myself as the Guru of Procrastination and Apathy, but I couldn't get round to being bothered.

Peter

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Kevin Birch

16 years ago

Earning big bucks is not the only criteria for becoming a guru - apparently.

A certain type of headware, a decent length of chin stubble, a strange accent and having a band of followers can also be requirements . . .

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Peter Bestel

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kevinb

Earning big bucks is not the only criteria for becoming a guru - apparently.

A certain type of headware, a decent length of chin stubble, a strange accent and having a band of followers can also be requirements . . .

Kevin, just what are you implying? Have you noticed my avatar? And seeing as I hail from Liverpool and live in Scotland my accent may be described as strange! I just need my band of followers - no wait, I'm now on Twitter so I'll have thousands by this time tomorrow!

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greendesert

16 years ago

Well, there are two types of online marketers.
First type : who sell real tangible stuff online i.e. affiliate marketing, adsense, CPA, site flipping, etc.
and the SECOND TYPE: Who MARKETS TO THE ONLINE (NEWBIE MOSTLY) MARKETERS
are the GURUS.

I read somewhere : When there was gold rush long back in US, people did not make money digging for it but those who supplied the tools became rich.

Just think for a second - why are those Gurus so worried about you all the time.

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AndrewCavanagh 16 years ago

There's no such thing as an "official guru".

You should get around and really get to know some of these people you consider gurus.

See how they live, how they interact with their family...what they do from day to day.

After the glitter wears off and you get those naive stars out of your eyes you'll realize everyone you're calling a "guru" is just a person.

It's ridiculous.

Would you give this kind of "star" status to an accountant?

Plenty of accountants make $250,000 to $1,000,000 a year.

Do you get upset at all the "secrets" accountants aren't telling you?

Or wish you could tap into what they really do in their businesses to make all that accounting money?

This whole "guru" stuff is a complete pile of bullshit.

We're all people regardless of whether someone thinks we're a guru or not.

We all do what we do.

And hopefully we all do the best we can with what we have.

The biggest problem with this guru crap is that people actually believe their problem is they don't have some kind of key piece of knowledge that "gurus" have.

Instead of just DOING what they already know...getting on with it and making some money.

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- Adam Carn 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh
  
  After the glitter wears off and you get those naive stars out of your eyes you'll realize everyone you're calling a "guru" is just a person.
  
  Yeh a bit like celebrities, they all look perfect on TV, you look up to them, you wanna be like them, but when you actually get to meet any of them you realise they're just like you, no different.
  
  An ideal guru is someone we can learn from about anything and it could be anyone... Your piano teacher, your dad, your neighbour or even a begger on the street that shared some words of wisdom with you which made you think. Now they don't go around calling themselves gurus do they? Even though we learnt something new from them.
  
  I don't like the word "guru." It's wrongly used in IM. Yes of course there are top internet marketers who we can learn from tremendously, I would prefer to call them "Experts." I think it's more appropriate than guru.
  
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16 years ago

Guru, schmuru.

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naruq 16 years ago

Forget about that Guru Nonsense! Focus on creating multiple streams of residual income. Be the best you can be!
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16 years ago

More than your prospect.

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agent_whitehat

16 years ago

Here in warrior forums and in most IM forums I see people selling "Make xx,xxx$ in few simple steps" and blah blah blah. They are teaching people. Are they Gurus?

In my opinion, real gurus don't advertise themselves much. They train only the chosen few.

Everyone welcome to oppose my opinion.

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writergirlk

16 years ago

I'm suspicious of the term. I agree that it is more a marketing ploy than an actuality. Just do your best to provide good, helpful content. People will respond by visiting your site and signing up for your list which is the cornerstone of success in this business.

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Cherilyn Woodhouse

16 years ago

Enough to buy the pointy hat.

Seriously though, guru status is three things...

1. Over rated.

2. Not a real indicator of any level of success.

3. Easy to obtain.

You can get it by lying (like some have), you can get it by honestly providing value, but neither really matter. Personally I'd rather be a respected expert than a guru, because unfortunately they seem to mean two different things now (thanks to overuse).

At least thats my 2c.

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TimGross

16 years ago

I thought a guru was a skinny broke guy who sat at the top of the tallest mountain and spoke in riddles that didn't make any sense. I never saw the attraction.

That's why my self-proclaimed title is "King". (It's good to be da king)

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JasonParker 16 years ago

I'd say you're a guru when... You become a household name like John Reese.
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  Originally Posted by JasonParker
  
  I'd say you're a guru when... You become a household name like John Reese.
  
  I'm sorry, but John Reese isn't a household name.
  
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Dixiebelle 16 years ago

Originally Posted by TimGross

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thought a guru was a skinny broke guy who sat at the top of the tallest mountain and spoke in riddles that didn't make any sense.

We seem to have some of those here, as well.

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RobInCharlotte

16 years ago

it depends what you're claiming to be a "guru" about...

A yoga guru could be penniless, but just know a lot about yoga.

But if you're basically claiming to be a guru on making money online, you need to have made a lot of money online.

$500k per year income sounds good to me.

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Christie Love

16 years ago

If I were you, I would focus on building your business in a way that makes you feel successful. Guru status is all about hype, which I am not into.

When I think of Gurus, I think back when I was in high school. There's the popular kid and their followers. The popular kid is usually not smarter, brighter, nor do they have more money than the richest kid in school. What makes them popular is their ability to market themselve. Their marketing approach involves being visual through sports or other activities that allow them to be the center of attention on a consistent basis.

Gurus are the same. They are more visually known than any other marketer. I know marketers who make just as much or more than those perceived to be Gurus but choose to stay in the back ground. Therefore, in my opinion, the amount of money that's one makes does not make them a Guru.

So, to answer your question... a Guru is a Guru because he/she has marketed their self as one. To be successful, try spending all your energy on building a profitable business. As long as you know where you stand, that's all that matters.

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Lazy Slacker

16 years ago

I say, it depend on the industry. If you are a financial advisor, you better have your finances in a tip-top shape. If you are teaching folks how to make money, you better have money.

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Eric Louviere

16 years ago

for some reason this thread reminds me of Shitweasel. He said, "I'm the best copywriter in the world. You know why I'm the best? Because I say I'm the best. In fact, it's written right there on my website."

It's all about:

Presentation
Perception
Positioning

Gurus can be a brand. It's like Nike slapping their logo on a t-shirt -- it sells better because of the brand (the perception, presentation and positioning).

How much does a guru need to make to be tagged a guru?? None.

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Avery Berman

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Louviere

for some reason this thread reminds me of Shitweasel. He said, "I'm the best copywriter in the world. You know why I'm the best? Because I say I'm the best. In fact, it's written right there on my website."

It's all about:

Presentation
Perception
Positioning

Gurus can be a brand. It's like Nike slapping their logo on a t-shirt -- it sells better because of the brand (the perception, presentation and positioning).

How much does a guru need to make to be tagged a guru?? None.

Eric

I was about to post something very similar to this.

You're a guru as soon as you say you're a guru. For the most part, people will accept it. You could come out tomorrow and start posting everywhere that you're a guru at something, even if you know nothing at all about it, and people will, for the most part, believe.

Now of course then there's the ethics involved... but just as an example, you become a guru when:

A) You say you are a Guru.
B) Someone else starts saying your a Guru.

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