Call Me A Nut Job But Ever Notice That The More Established Marketers Don't Do These Things?

by Rod Cortez 36 replies
Warriors,

One thing I've noticed about some of the more established (meaning they've stood the test of time) and successful (successful doesn't just mean financial success) Warriors is that they don't......


....complain about how they are being marketed to.

....brag about how much money they make.

....act like complete know-it-alls.

....come here and complain about their shopping cart / autoresponder/ software / etc. not working, they just seem to deal with it and focus on a solution.

....claim that their XYZ is the "best" without offering some kind of facts to back up their assertion.

....generally get into flame wars.


I've also noticed that many of them do......

....jump into threads and defend other Warriors whom they think are being dealt with a little too harshly.

....help Warriors behind the scenes and it never gets publicized here.

....stay focused on their own business(es) even with a worthy distraction like this forum.

....offer true value in terms of an incredible discount, a free report or video, or just sharing something that worked well for them.

....jump into threads that have gotten off topic and make a post to get it back on topic.


Are there exceptions to this? Of course there are we're all human afterall, but over the years of being a member here and keeping in touch with over 190 Warriors via phone and Skype, I've definitely noticed behavior patterns of success and maturity.

My hats off to the Warriors that show leadership in this forum (and outside of it), restraint, and sharing their knowledge. Also to the mods and member mods, a truly thankless and difficult job, but someone's gotta do it.

I know some of you are going to disagree and that's fine; feel free to share your own observations.

RoD
#main internet marketing discussion forum #established #marketers #notice #things
Avatar of Unregistered
  • Profile picture of the author buyitbelow
    How on earth can you tell who the more established and successful warriors are?
    Signature
    Pyxism Travel- Turn a $349 Out Of Pocket Startup Into A Realistic 6 Figure Income
    http://leisuresquad.com

    The Breakthrough Solution For Acne
    http://www.bytheseaskincare.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019540].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by buyitbelow View Post

      How on earth can you tell who the more established and successful warriors are?
      You kind of have to explore and read posts...alot...

      Some Warriors just exude excellence and leadership qualities....of course, someone could have 10,000+ posts and not make a dime online or offline, but, if they consistently contribute and help other Warriors out, I think that's pretty revealing of the maturity that the OP spoke about...."usually" that maturity and professionalism carries over from forums and translates into the way one runs a business, as well....
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019557].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Rod, I was probably one of those exceptions not too long ago.

        I had been a failure for so long that when I finally had some success, I felt
        I needed to beat my chest about.

        And then I was taught a lesson in humility when I discovered that compared
        to a lot of people out there, my success is pretty piss poor.

        As for the other stuff, no, I don't bitch and moan when things go wrong.
        What's the point? If I need help with something, I'll ask. Otherwise I'll just
        get to work and try to solve the problem.

        Not too long ago, my PC almost died and I fixed it all by myself. For somebody
        who is technically incompetent, that was a cool feeling.

        I'm learning and growing everyday and I'm sure I still have a lot of
        learning and growing left in me. I'm not perfect. I still make mistakes. And
        I'm sure I'll make more mistakes as time goes by.

        I think it's part of what's called being human.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019580].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by buyitbelow View Post

      How on earth can you tell who the more established and successful warriors are?
      Over the years you get to read people's posts and you notice a consistent behavior pattern such as giving value and helping others. I've also gotten to meet, network, socialize, and do business with some of them. I call some of the Warriors here good friends of mine and it all started by meeting them here. It's pretty easy to tell if you pay attention.

      RoD
      Signature
      "Your personal philosophy is the greatest determining factor in how your life works out."
      - Jim Rohn
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019569].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
      Originally Posted by buyitbelow View Post

      How on earth can you tell who the more established and successful warriors are?
      Since the vast majority of us didn't start our working life in the IM business we did something before. In whatever industry or endeavor we were or are involved in, outside IM, we usually know who the successful, established operators are.

      We learned this by exposure to and involvement in the activity. The same way we learn, over time, which Warriors are established and appear successful.

      Elmer
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019589].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Nicketas
      Originally Posted by buyitbelow View Post

      How on earth can you tell who the more established and successful warriors are?
      Character.
      Signature
      (Author. Artist. Social Media Maven. Life Coach.)
      {Free Yourself.}
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020236].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Right on, Rod!

    I wonder if the reverse is true as well. The people who do the "right" things are the ones who become respected Warriors.

    Either way, excellent list.

    The only other one I can think of is more established Warriors tend to not take things as personally, at least not as readily. They respond to constructive criticism better, especially if they are asking for said criticism.

    All the best,
    Michael
    Signature

    "Ich bin en fuego!"
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019548].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Laura B
    I'm sure there are exceptions on both sides of the coin, but I think what you've listed is generally true; I've seen it myself. I don't know for sure who's successful and who's not, but I have a pretty good idea.
    Signature
    Free ebook: Affiliate Marketing: Just the FAQs
    Affiliate marketing for brand spankin' newbies
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019578].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author buyitbelow
    I understand, thanks for answering so quickly
    Signature
    Pyxism Travel- Turn a $349 Out Of Pocket Startup Into A Realistic 6 Figure Income
    http://leisuresquad.com

    The Breakthrough Solution For Acne
    http://www.bytheseaskincare.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019582].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Actually I have found that the most successful don't post much at at all. they are too busy and have perfected their marketing ability beyond Warriors. Not all of course.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019591].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Actually I have found that the most successful don't post much at at all. they are too busy and have perfected their marketing ability beyond Warriors.
      Then our findings are not the same.

      Post count, one way or the other, is NOT any measure of success.

      Some of those who post a lot ARE the most succesful, and they believe in giving back to the community.

      Also, there are TONS of non-successes who hardly ever post at all.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Signature

      "Ich bin en fuego!"
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019615].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Then our findings are not the same.
        No crime in that . Its just a matter of where you choose to look. I was merely referring to the fact that you can roll off a whole list of names that you RARELY see post here and they are successful. In The end the only criteria for being successful is being successful. Every other secondary criteria or benchmark is dubious since no one has access to the bank accounts of everyone to validate the assumptions. Wasn't denying anyone's success but can't affirm anyone's lack of success either.
        Signature

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019645].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          No crime in that . Its just a matter of where you choose to look. I was merely referring to the fact that you can roll off a whole list of names that you RARELY see post here and they are successful. In The end the only criteria for being successful is being successful. Every other secondary criteria or benchmark is dubious since no one has access to the bank accounts of everyone to validate the assumptions. Wasn't denying anyone's success but can't affirm anyone's lack of success either.
          Fair enough.

          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Actually I have found that the most successful don't post much at at all. they are too busy and have perfected their marketing ability beyond Warriors. Not all of course.
          Re-reading your post, something dawned on me: the word "busy". Those who have "perfected" their marketing ability may be successful, they may be productive, but not all of them are busy. But that's a mild point - just an observation on my part.

          However, the idea that some reach the level of being "beyond Warriors" doesn't ring true with me. I think it's a matter of noticing things at whatever levels we can comprehend. But, think of the biggest Warriors, and notice that they are here - so how can they be beyond themselves. (Apologies for the circularity of the argument)

          All the best,
          Michael
          Signature

          "Ich bin en fuego!"
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019693].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

            Fair enough.

            Re-reading your post, something dawned on me: the word "busy". Those who have "perfected" their marketing ability may be successful, they may be productive, but not all of them are busy.
            Good and fair point. Thats an assumption too. Busy was the wrong word. To me People are just people and you can't pretend to know things about their life that you don't based on a forum or the limited scope of their life around a forum. Personalities differ. Passions difffer. Where they show their generosity differs.
            Signature

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019714].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Good and fair point. Thats an assumption too. Busy was the wrong word.
              Not to sound like I'm agreeing with you too much, but...

              That seems to get back to your point. All we can really go by, for the most part, are our assumptions.

              However, just like Rod, I have actually dealt with some Warriors on a personal level (not just a few PMs, either) and the original post is generally accurate.

              All the best,
              Michael
              Signature

              "Ich bin en fuego!"
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019739].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                Not to sound like I'm agreeing with you too much, but...
                Heavens no. We couldn't have that. Your secret is safe with me

                I don't see anything you said I disagree with (not to cause you any anguish. lol). I know I have contacted and dealt with some that you might not have and who don't post that much and I've helped people and never helped you. So we can say things about who we have contacted and who we know and who helped us but we can't really draw conclusions as this thread implies (with exceptions) about people who we don't really know anything much about outside of this forum.

                Thats the only point I wanted to make
                Signature

                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019911].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
                  I'm really enjoying these insights; thanks for sharing. I could really relate to some of what Steven was saying because when I first came into this forum I definitely needed an attitiude adjustment. Mary, you're so right about leading. I think leadership is something I have actually begun studying more of. Something that I lacked when I first got here and am gladly learning more about it.

                  I look at Warriors like Paul Myers, Willie Crawford, Dennis Gaskill, Anna Johnson, and way too many others to list here and pay closer attention now to how they lead by example. In getting to know other Warriors I've begun to see certain patterns of behavior. When I read books like Think And Grow Rich, Awaken The Giant Within, Unstoppable, etc. I see common themes.

                  RoD
                  Signature
                  "Your personal philosophy is the greatest determining factor in how your life works out."
                  - Jim Rohn
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020044].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yommys01
    You are just spot on. I have had many warriors ( I mean many ) helping me in private and no one knows about that.

    My only regret as an internet marketer is that I did not know this place on time. Probably I would have been a $10k per month marketer by now if I had known the warrior forum earlier.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019600].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sean Donahoe
    There is certainly a dividing line where you notice the type of person who posts and what they post that correlates to their actual success.

    I don't think it's the success that regulates how and what they post, but the type of person they are that allows them to succeed.

    We all start as new marketers at some stage in our careers and I feel that having the right focus, dedication and sense of self allows us to overcome any barriers to success and that reflects in how we deal with others, including here.

    (Wow it is too early in the morning for philosophical debates!)

    All the best

    Sean
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019673].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    Rod,

    Yup, I agree with you about the established successful marketers.

    The thing is, they don't have to do any of the stuff you listed regarding braging, be know it alls, complain, etc ... This is one of the reason people see them as leaders - they lead!

    One of the biggest problems for some others is that they are not there yet but want to be, and unfortunately, they see themselves as leading in the market.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2019901].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author vfelcett
    I read your post.. I personally that that someone who is flaunting their earnings and what they do is all full of S... to be honest. Most people in the regular business world are very humble when it comes to making money. They do not flaunt it at all. I think a lot of them tell you what you want to hear so they can get you to join their programs....

    Which in this case is a lot of Bs... So, in my opinion, if you hear someone flaunting about how they made 10K in one month and how they made 30k in one month and that they did it... yiada yiada....STAY AWAY AND FAST!!!!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020064].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jason Jensen
    I've been reading this forum since 2003 and I've noticed a few things about the Warrior Forum...

    1. The Big Guru's will pop in here but they leave once their product launch is over with.

    2. Big Guru's started here like Mike Filsaime and Russell Brunson but once their business is going strong they don't stick around anymore. (can't say I blame them. They paid their dues.)

    3. Many of us now have a relationship with the warrior forum. Meaning, we give out quality content and help others...but the warrior forum also gives back in giving us WSO's, satsifaction, gratidude, and link juice (ha, ha).

    4. Many people naturally want to help out no matter what. I won't deny it, I am here to provide quality information but I am also here to get something back. I believe in relationships and they aren't just one sided. However, when I was first on here there weren't wso's. Yet, there were still people who gave and gave and didn't get much back.

    5. I've seen people numerous times that have over 1,000 posts and been members for years that were in financial distress and needed some extra help. These people also gave great information, but it shows that if you don't take action on the info you have then you're not any better off than someone that doesn't have the information.

    6. I still have no idea who Allen Says "really" is.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020116].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Ratliff
    I hope this thread becomes a sticky.

    Rod you're right on...it's kinda funny how so many similar traits exist between successful Warriors.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020150].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Excellent post, Rod. It is in complete harmony with what self-made millionaire T Harv Eker lists as one of his wealth principles. I'll paraphrase it here because I don't have the book in front of me:
    Rich people overcome problems, poor people complain about them.
    People may get tired of hearing about "mindset" but there's a reason so many successful people mention it - a person's mindset can make a huge difference in their success, happiness, relationships, and just about every area of life.

    A few posts mentioned that the "gurus" don't come here because they're too busy, or only come here during product launches, etc. It's worth noting that one of the reasons some successful Warriors stop frequenting the WF on a regular basis is because they've grown tired of the antics of those who seem more intent on burning bridges than in building bridges.
    Signature

    Just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone changes the rules.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020286].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I disagree wholeheartedly. It is clear to me that the most successful, financially and spiritually, warriors are those who send me a 100 e-mails a day about their next launch, or their next guru buddy launch with those stupid, crappy, boring video sales pages.

    They don't flippin work and I'm sick and tired of getting e-mail about and from them!!!... I wish they would stop filling my inbox with this crap.....

    I don't really care about their Google Turd method... I just finished a WSO and made six figures, sow what do I care if they have a "free traffic .pdf" they want to sell me? I'm not sitting through a ten minute video for the pleasure of being sold something that I don't even need.

    Errr.... didn't you hear me "Guru"?... six figure profit WSO!

    If that isn't knowing how to make money in this business, then I don't know what is. I'm way past needing traffic advice, and if you disagree with what I am saying here, you obviously need help.

    Myself and my friend (username: JohnP465).. will provide a mentoring service, but we charge a high price. Knowledge isn't free you know.

    You might want to give me some time though, before you contact me for mentoring. My e-mail client, and mentoring software are having problems at the moment. The damn software has a banner ad in it, too. You would think the owner would be making enough to at least provide some decent support for his free software, no?

    Also... Before I go

    I'd just like to say that hands down, the best Autoresponder you will ever need is AWeber. It helped me to my six figure WSO.. and also, it is the best, because I said so.

    If you wanna argue these points.... bring it... I'm ready and willing to argue!

    Jay
    Signature

    Bare Murkage.........

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020392].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    That Jay was flat out hilarious.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020411].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    To bring the post back on topic,

    Rod, I whole heartedly agree with your OP and think you should stick the blend of
    coffee you're presently drinking!

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael

    PS, Jay, Loading up the AR's and sending you everything I got from Butt floss
    to Zebra dunn ads. Saving all the "A" ads to send to you on Sunday!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020513].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
    Rod,

    In the order posted.

    1 - You're a Nut Job (hey, you told me to)

    2 - the Don't do's - there's no positive result that can come from these

    3 - the Do's - lots and lots of positive results there to be had for sure!

    Nice post. Thanks for gently guiding the herd back to a place of good karma and helping.
    Signature

    ===========================
    OFFLINERS! Warning: Unless You Know These Pricing Secrets, You are Leaving THOUSANDS on the Table. Get Your Free Report Now.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020774].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Rod,
    Thanks for starting a great thread. And I agree for the most part. As with anything of course there wil be those that are the exception, but I think for the most part you are dead on.

    Jay,
    As always you add humour to the day

    Sylvia
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020942].message }}
  • Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

    Warriors,

    One thing I've noticed about some of the more established (meaning they've stood the test of time) and successful (successful doesn't just mean financial success) Warriors is that they don't......


    ....complain about how they are being marketed to.

    ....brag about how much money they make.

    ....act like complete know-it-alls.

    ....come here and complain about their shopping cart / autoresponder/ software / etc. not working, they just seem to deal with it and focus on a solution.

    ....claim that their XYZ is the "best" without offering some kind of facts to back up their assertion.

    ....generally get into flame wars.


    I've also noticed that many of them do......

    ....jump into threads and defend other Warriors whom they think are being dealt with a little too harshly.

    ....help Warriors behind the scenes and it never gets publicized here.

    ....stay focused on their own business(es) even with a worthy distraction like this forum.

    ....offer true value in terms of an incredible discount, a free report or video, or just sharing something that worked well for them.

    ....jump into threads that have gotten off topic and make a post to get it back on topic.


    Are there exceptions to this? Of course there are we're all human afterall, but over the years of being a member here and keeping in touch with over 190 Warriors via phone and Skype, I've definitely noticed behavior patterns of success and maturity.

    My hats off to the Warriors that show leadership in this forum (and outside of it), restraint, and sharing their knowledge. Also to the mods and member mods, a truly thankless and difficult job, but someone's gotta do it.

    I know some of you are going to disagree and that's fine; feel free to share your own observations.

    RoD
    These general traits could be applied to most people who are successful in ANYTHING.
    Signature
    "You don't get onto the high road accidentally!"

    How to Get Motivated, Get Informed and Stay Inspired

    Are You an Avid Student of Life? - Personal Development Blog
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2020944].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      You're a nut job. And to answer your question, yes.

      Ok, 5:06 pm and you know what that means...

      Who has some nice blue cheese stuffed olives?
      Signature

      "May I have ten thousand marbles, please?"

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2021061].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Ilya Feynberg
    We have better things to do...that might be why
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2021065].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      bring it... I'm ready and willing to argue!
      Yup - and I've learned recently that some who "used to be here" can argue month after month and year after year about the WF.

      They can be members for one week - fail to read any rules and argue with anyone who attempts to warn them - get banned - and then months later still be posting complaints on blogs and anti-WF pages online. Instead of moving on - they spin their wheels dissing the WF.

      Some of the complaints are great -

      "How was I to know I was bumping year old threads?"
      "All I did was tell about a great product I sell in my signature"
      "I was banned nine times because my signature was too large"
      "I know the rule says you can't do that, but I wanted to...."

      Others aren't as funny -

      There are people actively selling here and soliciting JVs who are posting elsewhere about the members here as "idiots" and "sheeple" and bragging of tricks they've pulled here.

      They complain about mods checking the validity of their WSO's - and about not being allowed to violate WSO rules. They blast mods, admin and members....but then they come back here to make more money running yet another WSO.

      These people are true "users" - they leverage the Warrior Forum name on their blogs and in article titles, yet have contempt for those here.

      I'm not advocating censorship as everyone has a right to express opinion. However, even a dog doesn't bite the hand that feeds it.

      Kay
      Signature

      Saving one dog may not change the world - but forever changes the world of one dog.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2021141].message }}
Avatar of Unregistered

Trending Topics