I've finally cracked the IM Puzzle! My results so far & Why I Was Dead Wrong About Everything!

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I was having 2nd thoughts about posting this, as it may seem premature and some people may laugh at my so called "success" but I don't care, because I AM OVER THE MOON! And just want to shout out at the newbies and try and help them if I can.

You see a few months ago I posted a thread saying I was fed up and thought I would never "make it" in internet marketing. I have been trying for about 5 years and although I've made some money doing different things, I would always quit every site when the going got tough and never stuck to one thing.

Thanks to a few people in that thread I posted who gave me a kick up the ass (Steve Wags a big thanks to you) I've finally been able to make a regular very small income!

You guys really changed my attitude and outlook.

Before displaying my results I just want to give some advice to the newbies who are sill trying to make their first few dollars:

- I Thought SEO was stupid, too slow and hard
I was dead wrong about SEO. Its in fact the best kind of traffic you can get. (Targeted traffic). I had no idea what niches to start and didnt know what made a key phrase competitive or not (thanks Steven R!). SEO isnt hard at all. Write articles, get backlinks and focus on buying keywords and you cant go wrong. its amazing the amount of smalltail keywords you will get traffic from, which you never intended to rank for!

- I wanted to get rich off 1 site only
In the past 5 years of trying to make money online. I always wanted to quit my job and make thousands off of 1 site. Everytime I tried a new site and made a few dollars and then the site would die off the following weeks, I would lose hope and quit it and go onto a new idea. ( I would tell myself, ah well I was never going to get rich off that site anyway).

It's important to appreciate every dollar you make, and realise its all counts. A few dollars today, can double, triple or even increase by 10 times if you keep at it and stick to your traffic plan. The key is to work on your site everyday, doing things that will make you money. Sounds logical, but are YOU really doing that?

- I thought being an affiliate was stupid and too hard
Another mistake I made. We always here make your own product all the time on this forum, but why not do both? I have made 7 Amazon sales so far, and I didnt have to lift a finger! Sure its great to make your own products, but being an affiliate is a great way to start, Amazon does the selling for you! And as I said before, everything all adds up!

- I would miss Steps I thought weren't important
Another mindset problem I had in the past was when reading ebooks or any make money guide. I would skip the steps I didnt feel like doing. I would tell myself "submitting to here" or "doing that little step" wont matter, Ive done most of the steps and it hasnt worked out anyway.

Now I follow pretty much ALL the steps and thanks to Steven R's guide and my changed attitude....it does work!

Now To MY Results
Please keep in mind, these figures will NOT blow you away. But as I said what I'm doing is working and producing better results month by month. I now KNOW without a doubt I will make a fulltime income eventually

February = $2
(Adsense $2) (Amazon ($0)

March = $10
(Adsense $6.70) (Amazon 3 sales = $3.30)

April = $31
(Adsense $18) (Amazon 4 sales = ($4)

Future Plans and Thankyous
I'm currently working on my current sites and not going to make new ones just yet. Ive also been working on 1 big site and plan to focus on this site just for now.

I also want to thank a few people, sorry If I miss anyone out! I know I've been stubborn and have had the wrong attitude in the past, but I feel like ive made a huge leap and If I can do it, all you newbies can too! You need to work hard and focus on 1 method at a time.

Thankyou:
Nathan Hockley (great guy been with me on skype for the last few years, very smart guy)

Steven Wagenheim (thanks for being honest with me. Your posts are gold, when you speak everyone listens)

Steven R (If it wasnt for your excellent free guide, I would of never made my niche sites. Thankyou!)

Doug Barger (been chatting with you for many years too, thanks for your support)

Andy Henry (Very smart guy, has given me advice many times, and always fun to chat to, thanks!)

Michael Silvester (Your a heck of a funny guy and thank for your support)

Johnny Slater (You did so much for me during with the launches of my Giveaways, thanks so much)

Hope I havent missed anyone.

When I make my $100 a day goal I'll make another thread...ciao
#cracked #dead #finally #puzzle #results #wrong
  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Well I am glad to see that I am not the only one who has been at this for a long time with no success. You give me hope. I am not ready to give up, as I have no other alternatives that I know of. Being on disability and unable to work, this is something that I think I can do, yet can I make money at it is another question. Your experience seem to say I can. So far I have made $0.86 on AdSense. But I am going to build a couple more sites, and try to do the key word research getter this next time. I realized I screwed it up last time. But, I still make some money, even if it was only less than a dollar.

    Hang in there Ernie, you and I will see $100 days before you know it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      WOW 2 people here longer than 2 years with little or no success. You guys have staying power- I'll give you that.

      It could be easier though but I can see a major problem that is recurring with all the people with little success and it's so frustrating but hard to fix unless you realize what it is.

      PM if you want the answer I'll be PM'ing you - @timpears
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        Yeah mate was never going to give up, I want this too badly. I think some people are just born with the entrepreneur mindset and especially when you're young who cares if it takes 2, 5 or whatever years to reach your goal, you'll still have plenty of time to enjoy it. However obviously you wouldn't want it to take that long..sooner the better

        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        WOW 2 people here longer than 2 years with little or no success. You guys have staying power- I'll give you that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Ernie, thanks for the kind words.

          While everybody's business model is different, I have found that I have to
          crank out as many things as I can to make the income I make. I have no
          knock 'em out of the ball park winners, but between everything I do, it's
          enough to keep me financially independent of ever having to work for a boss
          again.

          Keep at it and I have no doubt you'll be at the top sooner than you think.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
            Steven I appreciate your honesty, your always one of the "real" gurus leaving nothing out and telling others exactly how you run your business.

            I have a feeling I will turn out the same as you....a non stop article writing machine

            Its 4am here....think I need to go to bed


            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Ernie, thanks for the kind words.

            While everybody's business model is different, I have found that I have to
            crank out as many things as I can to make the income I make. I have no
            knock 'em out of the ball park winners, but between everything I do, it's
            enough to keep me financially independent of ever having to work for a boss
            again.

            Keep at it and I have no doubt you'll be at the top sooner than you think.
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Ernie, thanks for the kind words.

            While everybody's business model is different, I have found that I have to
            crank out as many things as I can to make the income I make.
            I have no
            knock 'em out of the ball park winners, but between everything I do, it's
            enough to keep me financially independent of ever having to work for a boss
            again.

            Keep at it and I have no doubt you'll be at the top sooner than you think.
            Ohh, there's goes the secret.
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      • Profile picture of the author tush
        Congrats!!!

        Your post is inspirational to many. Now that you know what was stopping you from achieving success, and now that you are willing to solve that problem, you will make it. Just continue building on that success.
        Here to more $$$$$
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    I'm sure your mentors are proud of those results.

    Love your attitude though. Stick with it and maybe focus on driving traffic to higher paying things then just Adsense and Amazon. Build a list around a niche, launch your own product, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    That's awesome.

    All the knowledge you need is right here, most of it is free... but all the knowledge of 100,000+ members won't do squat for you if you don't get your head together as well as take action.

    Keep building on your successes. Every billionaire had to make that first dollar. Success breeds success, like attracts like. You get it in your mind that hey, you're making money with this, so you feel pumped and keep going. I think you'll do well, congratulations and keep it up!
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    • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      That's awesome.
      take action.
      !
      Those words have been taken into context way too many times in the wrong situations. That's fact. Not that it isn't correct it's more that the problem rarely has anything to do with taking action though the failure is sometimes always blamed on it.

      I think there's a way more logical explanation for everyone's slow success rate. They just have to find it, which I already have figured exactly what it is for most. First one being - lack of skills or money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
        Originally Posted by Intrepreneur View Post

        Those words have been taken into context way too many times in the wrong situations. That's fact. Not that it isn't correct it's more that the problem rarely has anything to do with taking action though the failure is sometimes always blamed on it.

        I think there's a way more logical explanation for everyone's slow success rate. They just have to find it, which I already have figured exactly what it is for most. First one being - lack of skills or money.
        Umm.... yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah... you chopped off half the quote.

        Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

        if you don't get your head together as well as take action...

        You get it in your mind that hey, you're making money with this, so you feel pumped and keep going.
        "Get your head together and take action."

        Get your head together. Mindset - willingness to take risks, step outside of your comfort zone, convince yourself long enough that you are capable of something so you can prove to yourself it's true.

        So. Next time you quote me (or anyone else for that matter), take the whole quote instead of just part of it out of context >

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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Ernie and Tim, I stand up and salute your perseverance! It's an admirable trait that will serve you well over the long haul.

          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          - I Thought SEO was stupid, too slow and hard
          I was dead wrong about SEO. Its in fact the best kind of traffic you can get. (Targeted traffic). I had no idea what niches to start and didnt know what made a key phrase competitive or not (thanks Steven R!). SEO isnt hard at all. Write articles, get backlinks and focus on buying keywords and you cant go wrong. its amazing the amount of smalltail keywords you will get traffic from, which you never intended to rank for!
          That's mostly off-site SEO, perhaps all off-site SEO depending on how you're using the keywords. There is also on-site and on-page SEO that can also make a great deal of difference in how your website ranks. Watch for a PM from me.

          - I wanted to get rich off 1 site only
          In the past 5 years of trying to make money online. I always wanted to quit my job and make thousands off of 1 site. Everytime I tried a new site and made a few dollars and then the site would die off the following weeks, I would lose hope and quit it and go onto a new idea. ( I would tell myself, ah well I was never going to get rich off that site anyway).
          I was earning my living from one website for years before I started branching out. There is plenty of money to be made from content sites. While diversity in income sources is good, a single, high-quality content site with your own line of products can deliver a nice income too, especially after you start building your own mailing list.

          For myself, I'll keep adding to my content sites even as I build other web properties. Just something for you to think about . . . you can do both, it doesn't have to be one way or the other.

          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          Well I am glad to see that I am not the only one who has been at this for a long time with no success. You give me hope.
          Tim, I'll be sending you a PM in a little while too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vibrant Warrior
    Well done Ernie. Keep tweaking and backlinking. You'll reach much greater heights soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doolder
    Your post shows great motivation and that's all you need to keep the focus necessary to make your online income grow steadily. The most difficult part about making money on the web is actually making your very first few dollars and you're past this point now. All you have to do now is scale up.
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  • Profile picture of the author KhadijahChapman
    I've been in this business a short while, however I have already started to receive checks for affiliate products, the key is not just setting up the site, but also driving traffic to your site... article writing, video marketing and social networking are all very powerful ways when done correctly. I am just getting started and see the fact that my foundation is pretty solid, that within 6 months to a year from now, I should have a double digit monthly passive residual income...

    The Internet is ever changing and full of soooooo many ways to accumulate wealth... good luck, stay focused and by all means stay the course... hope this helps... and always always remember, never forget the little things, in this business they will many times be the difference between you making $3 or $300 or even $3,000!
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    well done, just keep doing what you are doing and you will start to see improvement after improvement.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Thanks Dennis, very interesting points you make and well done on helping others in here! Looking forward to your PM.
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  • Profile picture of the author imon32red
    Ernie and Tim. Interesting posts. I went about 6 months with only making pennies.

    I like what you said that helped you, but I am going to repeat what you said a little differently for any of those that didn't get it yet.

    I don't make very much on each of my sales. Almost always less than $0.50 each. But add them up over the space of a month and they pay the bills. When I first started I would make a few sales on a project in a month or two and then give up on it because the results seem so insignificant. I would start something new only to have the same results.

    Now I look at things completely different. I don't try for the $50 commissions anymore. I might try again in the future, but for now I don't worry about it. If I can make $0.50 off something I know that I can make $5 off of it. I study what worked and try to perfect it. Then I repeat and repeat and repeat. I know that this step is in almost every successful post on here. But that is the secret. Find something that works, then repeat, repeat and repeat.

    It would be great to find one thing that can net several thousands dollars a month. Until I figure out what that product is for me I will settle for tons of simple projects that take very little up front work and contribute passive income to my bottom line every month.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

    - I Thought SEO was stupid, too slow and hard
    I was dead wrong about SEO. Its in fact the best kind of traffic you can get. (Targeted traffic). I had no idea what niches to start and didnt know what made a key phrase competitive or not (thanks Steven R!). SEO isnt hard at all. Write articles, get backlinks and focus on buying keywords and you cant go wrong. its amazing the amount of smalltail keywords you will get traffic from, which you never intended to rank for!
    SEO is slow, but in terms of solid, long-term success PROBABLY the best you can do. NOTHING (and i mean: nothing!) beats a Google #1 for getting free traffic. It just hinders a little since you cannot simply "churn out" many sites/articles...they all really need dedication and work to rank them. But it pays off big time.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Congratulation, keep the hard work and you will soon be where you decide to be. I think people need to know that "Rome Was Not Build In A Day".
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
    This is one of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Grats man.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Jensen
    Ernie,

    You've got the momentum right now. You're like the snowball rolling down the mountain that gets bigger and bigger and there is nothing stopping it.

    I am not going to lie, I made a sale my first week after creating a product. However, I found it difficult to do what was needed to make consistent sales. I found that having consecutive $100 days was very difficult. But once you get there $200 is right around the corner and so on...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Another Adsense click and 35 cents richer all while eating some tuna! Life is good
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    • Profile picture of the author imon32red
      Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

      Another Adsense click and 35 cents richer all while eating some tuna! Life is good
      I love it! I used to do that all the time. Drove my wife crazy. All day long I would inform her, made $10 while I slept, made $2 while I showered, made another $5 while I went to the store with her. The novelty has kind of worn off, but I can't wait for Christmas. Last Christmas I had sales practically every time I hit the refresh button. Being Christmas we were at my parents house. After a while my Mom and Dad, Grandparents and brothers and sisters were all interested too. So for most of Christmas day I was asked how much I had made about every 10 minutes. Funny thing was that I never got sick of checking my stats all day long. Everyone else was also impressed too.

      Just made $0.35 while writing this...
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      • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
        Hey Ernie thats an awesome success story. Sure it's not much money, but it's the commitment that matters.

        I did pretty much the same thing you were doing for 2 years for a long time. I would do something for a week or two, scrap it then go to something else. It's a rut that is hard to get out of I must say. And while I'm not making extravagant money or anything yet either, I am learning and building a business instead of moving on to something else. Everything I do goes toward one major business plan instead of being carried around by the newest popular thing.

        As long as you stick to it and keep committed to what you're doing, your business will grow and grow, and you'll soon be adding 0's onto the end of your earnings!

        Have a great weekend,
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        Haha very funny story! Sound like a great XMAS you had. Yeah making money online no matter what amount is addicting and very satisfying.

        Originally Posted by imon32red View Post

        I love it! I used to do that all the time. Drove my wife crazy. All day long I would inform her, made $10 while I slept, made $2 while I showered, made another $5 while I went to the store with her. The novelty has kind of worn off, but I can't wait for Christmas. Last Christmas I had sales practically every time I hit the refresh button. Being Christmas we were at my parents house. After a while my Mom and Dad, Grandparents and brothers and sisters were all interested too. So for most of Christmas day I was asked how much I had made about every 10 minutes. Funny thing was that I never got sick of checking my stats all day long. Everyone else was also impressed too.

        Just made $0.35 while writing this...
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  • Hey Ernie. That's great to hear. I really like stories like these that we all know exist, but most of us only hear braggers and super successful stories.

    Your story is worth sharing, and I appreciate it. I wish you the best and keep your head down and plow along!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Holy @hit! Had to update this sorry! I just checked my adsense account 30mins ago and was around a $1 then I checked it now and got 4 more clicks and its now at $7! My highest adsense day ever...so happy! This last week or so has been crazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author orlando cassara
    That's great its always a good feeling when you can find out a way that works for you, the attitude is awesome there is nothing better than a positive mindset, I feel that's one of the most powerful tool to have in Internet Marketing.

    Keep it up!
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    • Profile picture of the author HurrDurr
      May I ask why you are only monetizing with adsense and amazon? IMO these are some of the lowest paying programs.

      I suggest you join some affiliate networks and browse for offers that inline with the content on your sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author glassextreme
    Hi HurrDurr, I had been focusing on Adsense. Doing quite ok with them. I had problems with applying for affiliate networks in the past, but I just tried again with CJ. (I know there are a lot more but currently this will do) I just mass applied for all the advertisers, but I got rejected by many, but quite a number accepted me. (finally).

    So now, what's the next step? Should I build sites just for these, or just add links into my current blog posts? or write reviews?
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    • Profile picture of the author HurrDurr
      Originally Posted by glassextreme View Post

      Hi HurrDurr, I had been focusing on Adsense. Doing quite ok with them. I had problems with applying for affiliate networks in the past, but I just tried again with CJ. (I know there are a lot more but currently this will do) I just mass applied for all the advertisers, but I got rejected by many, but quite a number accepted me. (finally).

      So now, what's the next step? Should I build sites just for these, or just add links into my current blog posts? or write reviews?

      With all the fraud these days you need to do a little more than just submitting application. You need to contact the networks direct either by phone or email. Tell them the truth about your skill level and traffic you currently have. If you are a beginner, tell them that. Some networks have programs in place to help newbs while others only want experienced people. Building a solid relationship with the networks is key.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Ernie,

    I am very happy that your starting to see some results and success! Your enthusiasm is contagious and I hope it inspires other and spurs them on to making their dreams come true. I have no doubt your will.

    In my old brick and mortar industry we used to have a saying about making sales.

    Even a blind squirrel finds his 1 acorn every day!

    Its only when we actually give up or stop that failure over takes us and wins.

    Keep on keep'n on!

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  • Profile picture of the author prtt75
    That's very inspiring. Something I can relate with.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    hmmm... Not sure I understand this post and the replies... seems like you need a gameplan that works faster.

    I'm not being mean either... I'm a nice guy, but... Dude, what the heck are you talking about?

    All this post says to me is that you need to be dropping everything you're doing, start from scratch again and do something different... and... Quit beating a dead horse.
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    • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
      Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

      hmmm... Not sure I understand this post and the replies... seems like you need a gameplan that works faster.

      I'm not being mean either... I'm a nice guy, but... Dude, what the heck are you talking about?

      All this post says to me is that you need to be dropping everything you're doing, start from scratch again and do something different... and... Quit beating a dead horse.
      I think that's what he's in the middle of doing. He wasn't successful because of some mistakes he made, he outlined them for you, he's changing them and voila... he's starting to see some success. Small success, but some success.

      I also think the OP is aware it's nothing to retire off of >

      Everybody starts somewhere. I'm willing to bet you didn't wake up the next morning with a million bucks in your Paypal account. Geez.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        Thanks for the support Soapbox

        @ JasonParker Im well aware that my results are nothing to what most people here make. Im well aware that I have a long way to go. But the reason Im happy because right now is the very first time that I'm making a REGULAR and CONSISTENT income in the 5-6 long years ive been trying this for. Thats a huge deal for me.

        Remember I work a fulltime job too so and go to gym and cant spend much time doing this, so i think Im doing quite well if you compare my 1st month to this month...and increase of 10X.

        And no I will not be starting from scratch, thats the old me. The old me would of quit after making a pathetic $2 first month. The old me would of quit after my 1st site in Jan didnt make ANY money for the first 3 weeks.


        Hope this clears some things up for you to as why I'm happy.



        Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

        I think that's what he's in the middle of doing. He wasn't successful because of some mistakes he made, he outlined them for you, he's changing them and voila... he's starting to see some success. Small success, but some success.

        I also think the OP is aware it's nothing to retire off of >

        Everybody starts somewhere. I'm willing to bet you didn't wake up the next morning with a million bucks in your Paypal account. Geez.
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        • Profile picture of the author MarketingSPY
          Ernie -
          There are literally thousands of people very similar to you that want to succeed with Internet Marketing. I believe you are a true testimonial for what it takes to succeed.

          "Find the right mentors and remain persistent and consistent."

          Bravo my friend.

          Happy Trails!
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
          Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

          Thanks for the support Soapbox

          @ JasonParker Im well aware that my results are nothing to what most people here make. Im well aware that I have a long way to go. But the reason Im happy because right now is the very first time that I'm making a REGULAR and CONSISTENT income in the 5-6 long years ive been trying this for. Thats a huge deal for me.

          Remember I work a fulltime job too so and go to gym and cant spend much time doing this, so i think Im doing quite well if you compare my 1st month to this month...and increase of 10X.

          And no I will not be starting from scratch, thats the old me. The old me would of quit after making a pathetic $2 first month. The old me would of quit after my 1st site in Jan didnt make ANY money for the first 3 weeks.


          Hope this clears some things up for you to as why I'm happy.
          Congrats on the work ethic.

          All I'm saying is... you might want to consider switching gears on your focus. There are A LOT FASTER ways to make much more money.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
            Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

            Congrats on the work ethic.

            All I'm saying is... you might want to consider switching gears on your focus. There are A LOT FASTER ways to make much more money.
            Sort of like what I tried to suggest in reply #2 in this thread. But I wasn't as frank.
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          • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
            Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

            Congrats on the work ethic.

            All I'm saying is... you might want to consider switching gears on your focus. There are A LOT FASTER ways to make much more money.
            Jason, with all due respect, all you've done is criticize what Ernie is doing, but you haven't bothered to even suggest an alternative. That's being discouraging without being helpful. What do you suggest he switch gears on his focus to?
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            • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
              Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

              Jason, with all due respect, all you've done is criticize what Ernie is doing, but you haven't bothered to even suggest an alternative. That's being discouraging without being helpful. What do you suggest he switch gears on his focus to?
              I'm just popping in to try and help...

              Every time I do, seems like someone always has something negative to say back and no one's ever humble enough to listen to anyone else, so I really don't know the point of doing this anymore...

              But...

              I'll say what I always say...and especially for making consistent money:

              1) Build an email list
              2) Sell paid subscriptions
              3) Make JV deals

              Money doesn't get any more consistent and predictable than that in my experience.

              Now all you have to do is seek out all the information you can possibly find about building lists, selling subscriptions, and then do it.

              ...

              "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Albert Einstein

              That's just my 2 cents.

              You could even go run a WSO in 3 days from now and "consistently" make 5 times more than you did in April in 1 day.

              ...I'm just trying to bop you over the head and help out here.

              You're beating a dead horse silly.

              We've all been there.

              It's tough to let go since you put so much into it, but if you keep going down this road... expect the same type of results you're getting.

              That's all I'm saying.

              When I was in your shoes, I wished someone on a forum or something would've reached through the computer screen and slapped me in the face... haha.

              I'm not trying to sound like a jerk. It's just that... your mindset could use some serious tweaking.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
                Jason will all due respect....

                "1) Build an email list
                2) Sell paid subscriptions
                3) Make JV deals"


                I tried all that in the past, there the bloody things that wasted my time all these years . I'm not saying they dont work, but I wasnt able to make them work well so instead of beating a dead horse like you said, I have moved on. Of course you dont know that, so I'm not having a go at you.

                Im trying to get away from the whole I wanna be a "internet marketing guru wannabe"...so Ive diversified into niches now and boom Im seeing some success.

                I know I could release a WSO 2moro and make a lot more than I have, hell I have done it before. I made over $100 in one day from a WSO....but to me that aint a real business and is not what I want to do.

                There is nothing wrong with adsense get that out of you head mate. Im about to see some big success with my plan, it just takes time to rank sites and get the content out there.

                There isnt much point we wont change each others minds....but it's been interesting anyway




                Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

                I'm just popping in to try and help...

                Every time I do, seems like someone always has something negative to say back and no one's ever humble enough to listen to anyone else, so I really don't know the point of doing this anymore...

                But...

                I'll say what I always say...and especially for making consistent money:

                1) Build an email list
                2) Sell paid subscriptions
                3) Make JV deals

                Money doesn't get any more consistent and predictable than that in my experience.

                Now all you have to do is seek out all the information you can possibly find about building lists, selling subscriptions, and then do it.

                ...

                "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Albert Einstein

                That's just my 2 cents.

                You could even go run a WSO in 3 days from now and "consistently" make 5 times more than you did in April in 1 day.

                ...I'm just trying to bop you over the head and help out here.

                You're beating a dead horse silly.

                We've all been there.

                It's tough to let go since you put so much into it, but if you keep going down this road... expect the same type of results you're getting.

                That's all I'm saying.

                When I was in your shoes, I wished someone on a forum or something would've reached through the computer screen and slapped me in the face... haha.

                I'm not trying to sound like a jerk. It's just that... your mindset could use some serious tweaking.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

                I'm just popping in to try and help...

                Every time I do, seems like someone always has something negative to say back and no one's ever humble enough to listen to anyone else, so I really don't know the point of doing this anymore...

                But...
                I hear ya, I've been hit over the head with that hammer before, too. I've found it best that, when you rain on a guy's parade, hand him an umbrella, too.
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            • Profile picture of the author psresearch
              Congrats on your success. And I think you SHOULD consider it a success.

              You now know what it FEELS like to make money online.

              And when you scale up on this model (even if it might not be the "best" model) you will know what it FEELS like to scale up and see the results with something you're alread confident in.

              And as you scale up you will know what it FEELS like to FOCUS on your plan.

              No doubt there are faster ways to make money, but right now I would bet for you there aren't faster ways to experience those FEELINGS that are more intangible than a "better plan" that would really help you take advantage of the other and possibly better plans that people are offering to share with you.
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    • Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

      hmmm... Not sure I understand this post and the replies... seems like you need a gameplan that works faster.

      I'm not being mean either... I'm a nice guy, but... Dude, what the heck are you talking about?

      All this post says to me is that you need to be dropping everything you're doing, start from scratch again and do something different... and... Quit beating a dead horse.
      I totally agree. I don't really understand why you guys are cheering at the guy when he's OBVIOUSLY following a wrong approach for insignificant results ($22 for the entire month?? I mean, come on!). That's not a success story, and the sooner he changes to a new business model the sooner he might actually reach true success.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
        You see I dont agree with you there and I think I know my business plan a little better than you do. I have a much bigger plan but right now what Im doing is "testing" to see if the bigger plan will work with smaller sites.

        Sure i could try "better" methods but right now i need to make any amount of money regulary to keep me going and as long as it increases which it has been im happy.


        Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

        I totally agree. I don't really understand why you guys are cheering at the guy when he's OBVIOUSLY following a wrong approach for insignificant results ($22 for the entire month?? I mean, come on!). That's not a success story, and the sooner he changes to a new business model the sooner he might actually reach true success.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Your income is increasing. If you keep at it... you will probably reach
    a minimum wage in a year's time or less. Just keep at it mate,
    don't stop! and good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      Thanks! I hope you're right.

      Even making a min wage 100% online would make me happier than most lotto winners I reckon, been a dream for me for many years


      Originally Posted by IM Headlines View Post

      Your income is increasing. If you keep at it... you will probably reach
      a minimum wage in a year's time or less. Just keep at it mate,
      don't stop! and good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    dude.... $22 thats it? hit me up and Ill teach you how to make some real money bro. No, I dont sell eBooks. No, I wont pitch you anything ever. No, I wont make you sign up onto my awesome list
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  • Profile picture of the author hotftuna
    Ernie,

    Congrats and keep up the good work!

    The only question I have is- Did it really take you four years to start making your first buck at IM?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      Thanks but no thanks. Im happy with what im doing now and feel I will turn that $22 I made in April into $2200 in time. Some of you are failing to see why this is a success, sure its nothing you can retire on and I dont care about the measly amount ive made...its the fact that its working and is a hands off income that keeps coming in daily and growing.

      And besides I dont need another distraction,

      Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

      dude.... $22 thats it? hit me up and Ill teach you how to make some real money bro. No, I dont sell eBooks. No, I wont pitch you anything ever. No, I wont make you sign up onto my awesome list


      Thanks hotftuna,

      No Ive made over $1000 in those 5 years but I never had a real business that brought in regular income and my mindset was all wrong.

      Originally Posted by hotftuna View Post

      Ernie,

      Congrats and keep up the good work!

      The only question I have is- Did it really take you four years to start making your first buck at IM?
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    • Profile picture of the author s.miller
      the main problem in internet marketing business is how to make consistent income every month...
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  • Profile picture of the author LocoDice
    I actually find reading about peoples first few dollars they make much more interesting than those talking about how they make $40,000 a month or whatever.

    Congratulations about the progress!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Okay, for everybody who's dumping on Ernie, let me tell you something. His
      business model, with a little work, can bring in a lot of money.

      I see what Ernie's doing and it works. I do this on the side as well when I
      get a few spare minutes.

      Ernie, listen to me. This is what I want you to do when you have the time.

      See what you've done so far for whatever blogs you have out there? (I am
      assuming they're blogs) Try to do at least one new one a week. If you can
      do more, do more.

      Let me tell you guys a story about this product creator who screws around
      with Adsense sites when he gets bored.

      I have one site that makes over $100 a month and I haven't touched it
      in 3 years.

      Imagine if you have 50 sites like that. Just 50.

      Do the math folks.

      That's $5,000 Adsense income a month.

      Adsense is probably one of the easiest business models in the world if
      you set your sites up correctly. You don't have to worry about selling a
      damn thing. In fact, if your site is good enough to get people to come
      but crappy enough that they'll look for any ad to give them something
      that might actually help them, you can make a mint.

      Are there faster ways to make a buck? Sure, but for ease, you can't
      beat this model.

      So before you start dumping all over Ernie, if he keeps at this, eventually
      he WILL have an income where he can quit his job.

      In fact, I'm so sure of it, I'll bet my whole damn bank account on it.

      Oh the snobbery of Internet marketers.
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      • Profile picture of the author indexphp
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        I have one site that makes over $100 a month and I haven't touched it
        in 3 years.

        Imagine if you have 50 sites like that. Just 50.
        Do you know how much time it takes to build 50 sites, create content, link build, etc...? And then to just monetize with Adcents. LMAO

        Thats a horrible business model. If you're only monetizing with Adcents, then that tells me you have no insight into which keywords convert better than others.

        With a tiny bit of SEO knowledge, and the effort into building ONE strong site for starters, you can do make way more way faster than what you're proposing above. Sorry, I know your heart is in the right place, but that is horrible advice.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

          Do you know how much time it takes to build 50 sites, create content, link build, etc...? And then to just monetize with Adcents. LMAO

          Thats a horrible business model. If you're only monetizing with Adcents, then that tells me you have no insight into which keywords convert better than others.

          With a tiny bit of SEO knowledge, and the effort into building ONE strong site for starters, you can do make way more way faster than what you're proposing above. Sorry, I know your heart is in the right place, but that is horrible advice.
          Yes, I know there are better business models. But get out of your ivory
          tower. You have ZERO idea how little effort I put into that site. And if
          you knew anything about my success online as a product creator and
          affiliate marketer, you'd know that I don't give bad advice.

          You can't do less work than with this model. And for somebody who is
          working a full time job, Ernie doesn't have time to do the things that you
          and I do regularly.

          Okay, come down out of your ivory tower and stop discouraging people
          who are working a model that can bring them a decent income with very
          little work...relatively speaking.
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          • Profile picture of the author indexphp
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Yes, I know there are better business models. But get out of your ivory
            tower. You have ZERO idea how little effort I put into that site. And if
            you knew anything about my success online as a product creator and
            affiliate marketer, you'd know that I don't give bad advice.

            You can't do less work than with this model. And for somebody who is
            working a full time job, Ernie doesn't have time to do the things that you
            and I do regularly.

            Okay, come down out of your ivory tower and stop discouraging people
            who are working a model that can bring them a decent income with very
            little work...relatively speaking.
            Answer me this. Why would you NOT throw in relevant affiliate offers? Why would you only rely on Adcents? It doesn't take much effort to locate affiliate offers aside from Clickbank eBooks, and sprinkle them in there where appropriate.

            ...and btw, it's you who's on the ivory tower.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
              Hate to tell you buddy but if you read my post carefully you would see I DO advertise affiliate offers (amazon) as well as adsense :p


              Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

              Answer me this. Why would you NOT throw in relevant affiliate offers? Why would you only rely on Adcents? It doesn't take much effort to locate affiliate offers aside from Clickbank eBooks, and sprinkle them in there where appropriate.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

                Hate to tell you buddy but if you read my post carefully you would see I DO advertise affiliate offers (amazon) as well as adsense :p
                Ernie, over time, you will find that you will make a lot more from Adsense
                than you will from Amazon.

                Here's what I want you to do.

                I want you to track your Amazon clicks and sales.

                Track your Adsense clicks and average dollars per click.

                If after 6 months, you find that Adsense, on a per click basis, is absolutely
                destroying what you're making from Amazon, drop the Amazon links.

                I use Amazon too, but I have found on some of my sites, it just doesn't
                pay and I'm losing too much money from possible Adsense clicks that
                I could have gotten.

                Point is, track your results and see what pays more over time.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Ernie, let me give you an example of what I'm talking about. Let's work
                  with easy numbers so you can see.

                  Let's say that between Amazon and Adsense, you're getting 100 clicks a
                  month, each.

                  Adsense - 100 clicks - total income $20

                  Amazon - 100 clicks - 2 sales - total income $8

                  See the problem?

                  If you gave those 100 Amazon clicks to Adsense, you'd be making an
                  additional $12 a month.

                  That's why I say to track and see if it really pays to use Amazon.
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                • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
                  Thanks for the advice Steve.

                  Yes I have often wondered whether it would be better to go fully Adsense or combine the two options.

                  I see an argument for both but in the longrun I think going 100% adsense would provide more of a profit yet that would kind of defeat the purpose of my site which is to direct visitors to the best places online to purchase said product.

                  I feel having both options provides better value to the visitor and I know some people refuse to click on Adsense ads but may trust an Amazon ad more..I dont really know.

                  In the end I should do what will make me more money so testing is the only way.

                  As of now in my articles ive been "suggesting" people to buy from Amazon but you now have me worried. I may have to stop doing that just in case I do decide to remove the Amazon ads down the track.






                  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                  Ernie, over time, you will find that you will make a lot more from Adsense
                  than you will from Amazon.

                  Here's what I want you to do.

                  I want you to track your Amazon clicks and sales.

                  Track your Adsense clicks and average dollars per click.

                  If after 6 months, you find that Adsense, on a per click basis, is absolutely
                  destroying what you're making from Amazon, drop the Amazon links.

                  I use Amazon too, but I have found on some of my sites, it just doesn't
                  pay and I'm losing too much money from possible Adsense clicks that
                  I could have gotten.

                  Point is, track your results and see what pays more over time.
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                  • Profile picture of the author briangillet
                    Many people have had bad experiences with Google AdWords.

                    But by using Google AdWords effectively with the right settings for the right campaigns will undoubtedly ensure that your costs are reduced and sales are increased.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                      Originally Posted by briangillet View Post

                      Many people have had bad experiences with Google AdWords.

                      But by using Google AdWords effectively with the right settings for the right campaigns will undoubtedly ensure that your costs are reduced and sales are increased.
                      Have you even read this thread? :confused:
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                      • Profile picture of the author indexphp
                        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                        Have you even read this thread? :confused:
                        its called Xrumer

                        ...and they didnt even drop a link, so I would consider that a spamming fail
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                        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                          Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

                          its called Xrumer

                          ...and they didnt even drop a link, so I would consider that a spamming fail

                          Well, there is a link in the sig so I guess it's not a total fail.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
                            I think indexphp needs to get his eyes checked

                            I do understand your point of view too. Amazon pays lows and adsense is for newbies but the $4.60 I made today with only 3 clicks made me too happy and doesnt agree with your "adsense pays cents" theory.

                            One thing I agree with you is yes its hard to make 50-100 sites and making 1 or 2 big sitesmay be better. That is what Im trying to currently do so I will see how that goes. Atleast we agree on something

                            And yes Ill check some other affiliate options out there just to see what else is out there. But in the end I think for what Im "selling" I still believe Adsense makes sense


                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                            Well, there is a link in the sig so I guess it's not a total fail.
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                            • Profile picture of the author indexphp
                              Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

                              I do understand your point of view too. Amazon pays lows and adsense is for newbies but the $4.60 I made today with only 3 clicks made me too happy and doesnt agree with your "adsense pays cents" theory.
                              just wait until you start doing some volume. epc goes straight down the tubes.

                              the only way to make Adsense work is you have retarded amounts of traffic in a decent niche with plenty of advertisers.
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              • Profile picture of the author indexphp
                Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

                Hate to tell you buddy but if you read my post carefully you would see I DO advertise affiliate offers (amazon) as well as adsense :p
                amazon is weak man. I've only heard of ONE person make a substantial amount from Amazon ($40k/month), and then they were total nazis when it came time to payment.

                Get into CJ. Setup Prosper202 on a domain and use that as your site to get in.

                If you carefully look at each major advertiser, you will literally have thousands of things to promote that pay out WAY BETTER than Amazon. Thats the reason you're not making much right now. Those are the worst monetization methods there are basically.

                Anyways, you dont have to take my advice. I just see people giving out horrible advice all over the place around here (not just this thread - everywhere) and I feel like I should correct that and help out. I've been exactly in your shoes dude. I was literally broke my first 2 years online (5 years strong now!), so I know the best strategy to overcome that. If you found what works for you, great, but I can tell you that I'd be impressed if you did any damage with Amazon + Adsense. Their are 10x better offers out there.

                /soapbox
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

              Answer me this. Why would you NOT throw in relevant affiliate offers? Why would you only rely on Adcents? It doesn't take much effort to locate affiliate offers aside from Clickbank eBooks, and sprinkle them in there where appropriate.

              ...and btw, it's you who's on the ivory tower.
              Here is why I wouldn't just throw in affiliate links into an Adsense model.

              They are a distraction and not a guaranteed income.

              A visitor can click on an affiliate link and not buy. At 2% conversion for
              an average product, that's 98 lost clicks. At 20 cents per click average,
              that's close to $20.

              And what if you pick loser products?

              My theory on Adsense (learn to spell the word right) is that if that's the
              model you're going for you do not put distractions on the page.

              If you're going to promote affiliate products, you want a whole different
              model.

              You want to put up a review site. You want to offer bonuses. You want
              to give the visitor a reason to purchase from you.

              You don't mix the two models because they require a completely different
              approach to work successfully.

              Anything else you'd like to argue about?
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              • Profile picture of the author indexphp
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                Anything else you'd like to argue about?
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                You want to put up a review site. You want to offer bonuses. You want
                to give the visitor a reason to purchase from you.
                Yes, you dont offer bonuses in markets other than "Make Money Online"... because those visitors dont even know what an affiliate link is.

                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                A visitor can click on an affiliate link and not buy. At 2% conversion for
                an average product, that's 98 lost clicks. At 20 cents per click average,
                that's close to $20.
                Ever thought there are offers that pay out far greater than $20?

                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                You want to put up a review site.
                bingo. focus on that. review keywords are searched by people who are right about to convert, so let that traffic go through your affili link.



                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                learn to spell the word right
                you obviously dont get the fact that I was using "cents" in such a way that refers to it as not paying out very well.
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        Amazing job - now that you know exactly what is working consistently, it is time for you to multiply by repeating the same methodology. High earning is not far away from you !!
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    so you finally understand how to snipe keywords eh?

    my advice is to go to CJ, CPA networks, in-house affiliates programs, and everywhere you can... and start sniping keywords. Think of it this way, if you had 100 pages that resulted in 1 sale/month at an average $30... you're at $3k

    ...then it gets interesting because now you have $3k/month BUDGET to play with paid traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author Texjd
    I agree with Steve, if Ernie has found something that is working for him that's what counts. Adsense isn't my first choice but like Steve I do have some sites on niches I have an interest in anyway and a couple do quite well.

    I also agree with the two big problems of lack of focus and skill sets. You need to develop your skills and focus on what works for you.

    Good job Ernie, just keep on doing what you found works and you'll do fine. And continue to listen to all those guys you listed, they know their stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    I understand what you guys are suggesting. But it has taken me so long to make consistent money that I cant just throw this method away and try other things - that was my main problem in the 1st place. Once I reach my target goal using Adsense perhaps I will look to more substantial methods but until then I'm on a 1 way track and I aint getting off for nobody

    Am I doing things the harder way? Perhaps. However Im willing to do the hard work now and pump out content just like good old Steve W does...I dont care how or when I get "there" because I know I can do it now!

    And when I do make my $100 a day and I'm sitting on my little bony ass raking it in with Adsense...it'll be worth it
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Ernie, yours is an interesting case...

    You earned a little, should we be glad for you?

    Yes! but why?

    Not because of the meager earnings, BUT BECAUSE YOU'VE FOUND YOUR WAY and I, like some of the warriors here know that you'll make it soon now that you've finally tasted how it's done.

    For sure there are better ways..and I'm sure you'll be able to learn it in time, but for the moment congratz because a thousand ways to make money online isn't worth a penny if you're too confused to move and do it because you are thinking there's a better way..Well guess what, there are thousands of better ways..But if you don't do one now that you have faith in, you'll just be spinning your wheels and you know what they say about "rolling stones".

    With action comes better ways and better strategy, with knowing that it works comes faith and perseverance to do it, sure there are other ways, sure in time when you've finally finished you're present project you can evolve to something better but for the meantime emerge yourself first with the method that you've got faith in. That faith is the most important part.

    By the way, from your posts I can see that you got this already, I'm just reiterating for some to have an idea of what I think you're going through...

    By the way, honestly the advice of several warriors here are sound too..like Jason, Ron and others..It's just that Ernie is just getting his feet wet first, maybe giving him a little room to enjoy the tingling sensations won't hurt right?

    All the best Warriors! No better place like home.
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    to extinguish my downer posts above, I will say this.

    The first dollar is the hardest.

    Now just focus and be smart about how you do things... and you'll make way more than your job in no-time flat.
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  • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
    Try going for in-house affiliate programs instead. Convert better and very targeted. I don't like CJ.com, Amazon or Adsense. They all pay too little and CJ have advertisers that just plain don't pay. Adsense pays ridicously little in many niches. Amazon the same.

    Clickbank is a another animal entirely, has very little to do with standard affiliate marketing really. Nothing beats their commissions though.

    Try looking at the ads you're getting frequently on your sites and then check if the advertiser has their own affiliate program.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    Jason, maybe you meant well, but your post totally went south when you made comments about (I'm paraphrasing) wondering why the OP's so happy about $0.50 on Adsense the other day. Sure, that's money that many people just pop in a vending machine without thinking about it, but like I said, I'm sure that you weren't exactly overnight riches yourself. I'm sure that YOU had to go through making that first dollar... and celebrating that first $20... onto whatever you do now.

    Ernie's found something that's starting to work for him. It's not your business model, and there are other lucrative models out there. That's Okay.

    If you want to help, then offer something constructive, instead of whining about how people are closeminded to suggestions. I'm not closeminded to other people's help, I'm pretty sure that Ernie isn't either - but blatant comments like those before are very irritating.

    Kudos for mentioning the Einstein quote, but I have to say that the moral of the story here is that Ernie is getting Different results now because he's doing something Different.

    As for you, indexphp, I think you're mostly pissed that Ernie declined your offer so you went to pick a fight with Steven Wagenheim. Was that really a productive use of your time?
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    • Profile picture of the author indexphp
      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      As for you, indexphp, I think you're mostly pissed that Ernie declined your offer so you went to pick a fight with Steven Wagenheim. Was that really a productive use of your time?
      ummmm.... no. I just call out crap when I see it. Too bad most everybody here just agrees with what everybody says, therefore destroying any chance of a meaningful discussion. All the people with make money online eBooks in their sigs can infest the rest of this thread... i dont really care anymore. I have no idea why I pop into this forum every now and again - I end up just getting a bad taste in my mouth from all the wannabe gurus around here who only exist to sell eBooks in the background.

      carry on..
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      • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
        Rarely do I say this, but... LOL.

        Let's recap your original post:

        Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

        dude.... $22 thats it? hit me up and Ill teach you how to make some real money bro. No, I dont sell eBooks. No, I wont pitch you anything ever. No, I wont make you sign up onto my awesome list
        Ernie said No. He's telling you his own story about how he's making money himself. Since you apparently have a lot to teach, why not share with the rest of the class off the bat, instead of just soliciting one person?

        Then you make comments like this:

        I just see people giving out horrible advice all over the place around here (not just this thread - everywhere) and I feel like I should correct that and help out.
        Here's a revolutionary idea - why not contribute to the forum more? You've been here since 2007 - why haven't you posted more often?

        Instead of showing people how you apparently make money, you give me stuff like this:

        Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

        Too bad most everybody here just agrees with what everybody says, therefore destroying any chance of a meaningful discussion. All the people with make money online eBooks in their sigs can infest the rest of this thread... i dont really care anymore. I have no idea why I pop into this forum every now and again - I end up just getting a bad taste in my mouth from all the wannabe gurus around here who only exist to sell eBooks in the background.
        Is that whining I detect? I think it is. No meaningful discussion in the Warrior Forum, oh no no no, just a bunch of people marketing to each other in their sig files, right? GOD that sucks. It's a wonder anyone sticks around, let alone (!) finds value to be had here.

        If all your experiences in this forum are negative, you know what? Nobody's holding a gun to your head to stick around, and with an attitude like that I don't think you could pay someone to. You know what they say, If you don't like something, There's the Door. No one here is forcing you to be miserable.
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        • Profile picture of the author indexphp
          Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

          Rarely do I say this, but... LOL.

          Let's recap your original post:



          Ernie said No. He's telling you his own story about how he's making money himself. Since you apparently have a lot to teach, why not share with the rest of the class off the bat, instead of just soliciting one person?

          Then you make comments like this:



          Here's a revolutionary idea - why not contribute to the forum more? You've been here since 2007 - why haven't you posted more often?

          Instead of showing people how you apparently make money, you give me stuff like this:



          Is that whining I detect? I think it is. No meaningful discussion in the Warrior Forum, oh no no no, just a bunch of people marketing to each other in their sig files, right? GOD that sucks. It's a wonder anyone sticks around, let alone (!) finds value to be had here.

          If all your experiences in this forum are negative, you know what? Nobody's holding a gun to your head to stick around, and with an attitude like that I don't think you could pay someone to. You know what they say, If you don't like something, There's the Door. No one here is forcing you to be miserable.
          to be perfectly honest, I found it respectable that he declined. To me that shows he has his confidence straight. When people advise you to make 50 websites with the intention of making $10/day from each of them, thats where I come in with a realist interjection.

          Have you ever done that?

          You guys would just much rather side with Steve because he's "famous" around the forums. No biggie. Thats fine. I understand why it is that way.

          I'm just trying to get a point across, but you guys can dismiss it all you like. Believe me, I'm not going to lose sleep over an internet argument.

          Why do I not contribute to the forums more? Ummmm... I do. But I also dont post here all day long because I actually am busy building and tracking campaigns.

          good luck Ernie. hope it works out for you somehow.
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          • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
            Originally Posted by indexphp View Post

            to be perfectly honest, I found it respectable that he declined. To me that shows he has his confidence straight. When people advise you to make 50 websites with the intention of making $10/day from each of them, thats where I come in with a realist interjection.

            Have you ever done that?

            You guys would just much rather side with Steve because he's "famous" around the forums. No biggie. Thats fine. I understand why it is that way.

            I'm just trying to get a point across, but you guys can dismiss it all you like. Believe me, I'm not going to lose sleep over an internet argument.

            Why do I not contribute to the forums more? Ummmm... I do. But I also dont post here all day long because I actually am busy building and tracking campaigns.

            good luck Ernie. hope it works out for you somehow.
            Actually, I'd rather side with Steve because he makes really HELPFUL posts and doesn't whine and bitch about the forum in general. Previous statement reiterated - since you apparently REALLY don't like how things are around here...
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            • Profile picture of the author laurenceh
              Ernie you did the same as me exactly. I tried so many different things without mastering one, and ended up spinning around like a monkey with a gun.

              Now you've found a model that works for you certainly keep at it, increase the numbers, and become better and more efficient at it. Then once you have a few sites working in the background then try some other stuff.

              Think you have it right.

              I have found IM is very much like spinnning plates. It would be great to have ten spinning all at once, but if you don't take the time to get the first plate spinning properly, by the time you get the second going, your first will have fallen off.
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  • Profile picture of the author ian_james
    Absolutely. Congratulations Ernie - it shows what a small amount of sucess can do for your belief and your motivation. Once you have something that works you can build on it...don't listen to people who scoff at the small amounts - it's a step in the right direction and an income which is flowing the right way!
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      For the record, if you read what I said (some people prefer to eliminate
      the parts that they want to ignore) I never said that Ernie's way of doing
      things was the best way. I conceded that there are better and faster ways
      to make a buck online. In case you missed that, please re-read my original
      post.

      However...and this is a big however...make no mistake about it. What
      Ernie is doing is more than a viable business model. You can absolutely
      make a solid income online with nothing more than Adsense.

      Will it take a lot of work?

      Relatively speaking, compared to product creation or affiliate marketing done
      the right way, not really. At least no more work than anything else.

      Do I advise it solely on its own?

      No. I don't. Google can yank the rug out from under you at any time, which
      is why I will never rely on just Adsense for my income...even if I had 100
      sites.

      But make no mistake about it. Anybody who wants to bet 100% against
      Ernie being successful with this model is making a losing bet. Because many
      before him have done it and many after him will do it too.

      Now you can all go on taking your shots at me and my positive attitude
      in regard to Ernie's business model. Personally, I don't give a rat's behind
      because ultimately, as much as I like Ernie and wish him the best, my
      number 1 priority is my business and taking care of my family.

      And while I realize that some of you feel you are doing Ernie a favor by
      pointing out the folly of his ways, he's made his decision...this is the model
      he's chosen to go with...so how about we just support him?

      Or is that too novel a concept for some of you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lauryn
    I'm glad you haven't given up.

    I thought many of the things you did about SEO
    Now that I've been researching this whole topic with a fine tooth comb, I'm all over it!
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  • Profile picture of the author pavionjsl
    I am proud of you Ernie and I thank Steven for his advice.........Love him sometimes hate him others but he is successful and over the years I have learned things from him. But Ernie adsense can be a good model, Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Just woke up guys, thought there was going to be world war 3 between moneysoapbox and indephp. I thank both of you for trying to help and although our opinions all differ, its not worth getting all raged up about

    Indexphp no offence but people dont suck up to Steve because his "famous", they are good to him because he has helped so many people here on the forum and its obvious he knows what his doing.

    Steven thanks for the post above, you explained my thoughts perfectly.

    I know Adsense isnt the best way but its the way I have chosen for now because it working for me and I know I can scale it up and make a nice residual income from it, later on I can tackle bigger fish.

    I made this thread to inspire the newbies to show that a different mindset and persistance can pay off and to get even more motivated because I know there are many supportive individuals here, lets keep it that way!
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    No worries, guys, I believe a certain individual has left the building... or crawled back into his cave for a month or two.

    ANYWHO...

    Ernie, Congratulations. I want this to go to your head so you can build on it. You Are Making Money. Now get out there and Make More Money, because you've already proven to yourself that you can do it. You've found what works, now capitalize the hell out of it and ignore people who'd rather have you do it Their Way
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    • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
      Well done on finding something that works and sticking with it!

      That is the crux of the message here...it isn't the WAY he's monetising his sites that counts, it's the fact that he has a plan and is sticking with it.

      Sure there are other ways of making money, there are probably better ways of making money, but that's all beside the point.

      I know exactly where Ernie's come from. When I started in IM I kept buying new ebooks and programs and flitting from one thing to another... Adwords, Adsense, affiliate marketing, creating a product and getting a list and so on and so forth. In the end I let all my IM efforts slide because I wasn't successful. Well, of course I wasn't! I didn't stick with anything long enough to find true success cause I was too busy chasing the next great thing.

      I'm now taking a leaf out of Ernie's book and finding one thing and sticking with it. Once I get one thing working consistently, I may take the time to experiment with something else. It's putting consistent effort into one thing that makes the difference. Putting effort into a zillion different things just doesn't work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
      Thanks Moneysoapbox! (LOL whats your real name, kinda weird calling you that!)

      Don't worry it is getting to my head no matter how little I am making at the moment....and I wont let the doubters and negative people get to me.

      I'm glad a few newbies have been inspired by my approach of sticking with 1 thing long enough to see success and then scaling up....it truly is the best way I believe.


      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      No worries, guys, I believe a certain individual has left the building... or crawled back into his cave for a month or two.

      ANYWHO...

      Ernie, Congratulations. I want this to go to your head so you can build on it. You Are Making Money. Now get out there and Make More Money, because you've already proven to yourself that you can do it. You've found what works, now capitalize the hell out of it and ignore people who'd rather have you do it Their Way
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Ernie Lonardo View Post

        Thanks Moneysoapbox! (LOL whats your real name, kinda weird calling you that!)
        Look under her nickname.
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  • Profile picture of the author healtheworld
    Seriously man although we don't know each other, I'm happy for you.

    Never give up and continue with what you're doing.
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