This is getting old! Why do you do this?

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I have been noticing a lot lately how old threads (months old) are being brought back to life for no apparent reason. I found one that is up right now that was brought back just so the person could promote what was in their sig.

There have been some other threads on this before, but for the people that are new here, STOP RESURRECTING THREADS THAT ARE MONTHS OLD! There is no reason for this and it's irritating! Start a new thread or something with a new subject.

Yes you can search old threads and learn from them. That's what the search function is for! But why must you comment in a thread that is old and hasn't been touched for months? It just clutters up the main page and doesn't do anyone any good! There, I'm done ranting now./rant
  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    I'm setting my droid calendar to go off a year from now so I can bump this thread. JK.

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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      I'm setting my droid calendar to go off a year from now so I can bump this thread. JK.

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      I know what you mean, Scrofford. A lot of times it's innocent though, rather than intentionally done to promote a sig link. A person could have came directly to that page from a search engine. Even though I try to remember to check the date the thread was started, sometimes I forget.

      By the way, your rant isn't officially over until you close it with:

      /rant
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        That George Wright, he's nothing but trouble.


        I know what you mean, Scrofford. A lot of times it's innocent though, rather than intentionally done to promote a sig link. A person could have came directly to that page from a search engine. Even though I try to remember to check the date the thread was started, sometimes I forget.

        By the way, your rant isn't officially over until you close it with:

        /rant
        Done just for you Dennis! And I do realize that it could be done innocently, but the thing is that I think new people here really need to understand this. There really has been a big influx of resurrected threads lately, and it really does get old...So to all you new people-CHECK THE DATES BEFORE POSTING A REPLY! K that should do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author addaminsane
    I'll take note as a new member. I've been on DP and sitepoint and those forums are just filled with nonsense spamming now. I figured all of them were that way, but this one seems to be relatively clean. Basically, your complaint is a minor annoyance to me at this point .
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by addaminsane View Post

      Basically, your complaint is a minor annoyance to me at this point .
      Why would my complaint be a minor annoyance to you? It shouldn't annoy you at all. It's common sense to look at the original thread date (although all of us make mistakes) and not post on something months old. You shouldn't get annoyed at anything I have said in this thread. You haven't been here long enough to get annoyed at anything .
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
        Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

        Why would my complaint be a minor annoyance to you? It shouldn't annoy you at all. It's common sense to look at the original thread date (although all of us make mistakes) and not post on something months old. You shouldn't get annoyed at anything I have said in this thread. You haven't been here long enough to get annoyed at anything .

        I think he meant it more as he hasn't been here long enough for it to annoy him more than a little bit. Not that what you said was annoying. Just giving the benefit of the doubt.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

        Why would my complaint be a minor annoyance to you? It shouldn't annoy you at all. It's common sense to look at the original thread date (although all of us make mistakes) and not post on something months old. You shouldn't get annoyed at anything I have said in this thread. You haven't been here long enough to get annoyed at anything .
        I think the newbies response was very polite and considerate...
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

    I have been noticing a lot lately how old threads (months old) are being brought back to life for no apparent reason. I found one that is up right now that was brought back just so the person could promote what was in their sig.

    There have been some other threads on this before, but for the people that are new here, STOP RESURRECTING THREADS THAT ARE MONTHS OLD! There is no reason for this and it's irritating! Start a new thread or something with a new subject.

    Yes you can search old threads and learn from them. That's what the search function is for! But why must you comment in a thread that is old and hasn't been touched for months? It just clutters up the main page and doesn't do anyone any good!
    Much like this thread.

    Just curious....how does starting a new thread clutter up the main page any less than continuing an old thread? And why does posting info in a new thread make it magically more relevant than posting the same info in a related old thread?

    Never really understood this issue. I mean, sure, I get the part about posting in an old thread just to promote a sig. That's bad form. But so is starting a new thread for the same reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author scrofford
      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      Much like this thread.

      Just curious....how does starting a new thread clutter up the main page any less than continuing an old thread? And why does posting info in a new thread make it magically more relevant than posting the same info in a related old thread?

      Never really understood this issue. I mean, sure, I get the part about posting in an old thread just to promote a sig. That's bad form. But so is starting a new thread for the same reason.
      Well first off it's not "much like this thread." And maybe you don't mind the fact that old threads are rehashed months later...I do, and so do a lot of others here. I think its good to remind new people from time to time.

      My point was that new people should contribute to what is being posted now and not bring up old threads that have already been read and commented on months ago. The search function is for reading old stuff. Why would I want to reread and comment on a thread that was created clear back in July or August of 2009? Doesn't make sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      Much like this thread.

      Just curious....how does starting a new thread clutter up the main page any less than continuing an old thread? And why does posting info in a new thread make it magically more relevant than posting the same info in a related old thread?

      Never really understood this issue. I mean, sure, I get the part about posting in an old thread just to promote a sig. That's bad form. But so is starting a new thread for the same reason.
      I agree with your line of thought..

      BUT

      The reason for a thread resurrection is the problem here... We all see it happen.

      Resuming an old thread is never a problem if the debate continues and more value is added. imho.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Gillum
    Read somewhere a while back.....don't remember where....

    To get backlinks....find a blog or forum.....go to "old" posts and make an entry...

    Just like the " great post" posts.......
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    • Profile picture of the author rafib
      Originally Posted by Jim Gillum View Post

      Read somewhere a while back.....don't remember where....

      To get backlinks....find a blog or forum.....go to "old" posts and make an entry...

      Just like the " great post" posts.......
      And this post has unintentionally just caused even more "forum necroing" LOL.
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by rafib View Post

        And this post has unintentionally just caused even more "forum necroing" LOL.
        No this post has not unintentionally just caused even more forum necroing! If you had read the OP and understood that it's highly frustrating to see old threads that are months old being brought back to life for no good reason but maybe to promote a sig or come up with some irrelevant comment, you might understand. Obviously you haven't been here long enough to understand this point, and leaving a comment like this goes to show the lack of thinking you put into your comment.

        I posted this thread within the last 24 hours. I am talking about resurrecting threads that are months old. Yes some I agree are probably coming from people reading on the web, but then again, reading the date of post should be one of the first things done. If you have a question or want to say something create a new thread. It makes things much more interesting.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          creating threads when there are existing threads discussing the same problem
          You can use "search" and find great info in old threads and you can use that info without the need to post "great info - I like it" or such tripe which bumps a very old thread above new, current discussions.

          It's mainly used as a way to get links from the forum - by posting where the person thinks it won't be noticed by others or to increase post count.

          If it is a simple mistake, no harm and this thread might educate someone. If it's a "tactic" being used, the person may not be here long.

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          No this post has not unintentionally just caused even more forum necroing!
          Dude, chill. He was referring to a specific post, which wasn't even made by you. Not the whole thread.


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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMunch
    I am confused here. What am I supposed to do if I have a question.

    A: Find an old post where the topic has been discussed, but I still need some explenation.

    or

    B: Start a new thread discussing the same topic once again.

    Can the WFPD please explain the rules concerning this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    By all means if you have a question then start a new thread on it, I'm sure that absolutely no one would mind if that happened. It's just the people who resurrect old threads to say "thanks" etc that starts to annoy people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    I agree, Jay.

    Anyone who has been a member of a forum for a while knows that one of the biggest frustrations is people creating threads when there are existing threads discussing the same problem. People have to say the same thing over and over again while if the person searched they could have kept the discussion in one place. If they have a question that still needs answering then it should be added to the bottom of the relevant thread. Creating new threads for the sake of it is what clutters a forum up.

    Some examples that have been covered numerous times in the SEO forum are problems with certain Adsense methods, does a no-follow link work, where can I get backlinks etc. These threads do not need to be freshly created because the last post in a decent thread was 1 week ago or 6 months ago. In SEO especially, rumours and opinions that are wrong keep getting recirculated because the people who corrected it in the original thread miss the new one or are just plain bored of repeating themselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I think some are arguing with the OP who have not noticed this happening - or they wouldn't be talking about relevant questions. The old threads are being bumped with blurbs - not relevant comments.

      It might be done innocently once - but the current digging up of multiple very old threads to post a one liner is troll-like behavior.

      There is a WF complaint thread online where someone is crying about being banned from the WF saying "how was I supposed to know I was bumping old threads". I recognized the forum name as someone who consistently pulled up year old (and more) threads, posting a one line question or comment and was warned several times to stop the practice. She didn't stop - she's gone. Get a clue.

      Repeated questions are a fact on a forum. Asking a question that was asked yesterday or last week only demonstrates you don't bother to look for answers. Bumping a thread where the last post was 6-18 months ago shows no thought at all.

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  • Profile picture of the author nick1123
    I plan on resurrecting this particular thread in six months so people can see my signature.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgkimsal
    Would seem to me the forum software *should* give you a way of filtering stuff out, as in "don't show me threads that were started over X days ago, regardless of the timestamp of the most recent post".

    I don't see it in my preferences, but maybe I'm missing something.

    Or perhaps there's a new feature waiting to be written.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lawrh
      If we ignore spam posts for a moment, there is actually very little that can be called new being posted. Think of any category of IM and see if it hasn't already been discussed umpteen times. Sometimes it seems that topics are resurrected weekly or biweekly.

      Just because it's a new thread does not mean new information is being discussed. The only real "new" threads are those that bring up recent changes, news for IM'ers, help requests etc. Everything else is and always has been a repeat of old threads, just given a new name.

      Perhaps people spend so much time here that they start to think of WF as part of their home and object when someone moves the furniture.

      I wonder if any of these people have ever used the phrase -

      "Get Off My Lawn!!"
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        From time to time, you'll see the extreme example of bumping old threads where the first page will have 10-15 threads all updated within a 15 minute period and all containing a keyword phrase in the subject line. Often, the updates are all the same.

        Those are annoying, to be sure. They're also temporary, as the perp usually gets banned before the threads roll into the back pages.

        On the other hand, I've opened threads which are continuations of older discussions without noticing the date. Maybe I missed it the first time, maybe the topic wasn't high on my radar that day, whatever. Had the discussion started from the most recent point, a lot of the value would have been lost for me.

        Like the TV network used to say about reruns...

        "If you didn't see it, it's new to you."
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Perhaps the solution is to start a new catagory called "old Posts" (like "main discussion", "Mind Warriors"...), as opposed to "lets teach the newbies a lesson".

    Obviously Allen doesnt seems as annoyed by as some others.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dana Goetz
      Originally Posted by kadensnga View Post

      Perhaps the solution is to start a new catagory called "old Posts" (like "main discussion", "Mind Warriors"...), as opposed to "lets teach the newbies a lesson".

      Obviously Allen doesnt seems as annoyed by as some others.

      Great answer, I totally agree. Give people a place to go and I am sure it will ease all the conflict going on. Like I said before, people who have been in here a long time forget how it was when they first got started.

      Until then I will make it a habit to check the dates as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Some think its more considerate to pull up an old thread that addresses a subject than to start a new one that is redundant. Im sure there are spammers but, knowing this place Im sure also that they are detected and dealt with quickly. Otherwise it seems better to use an old post to me than to start a redundant one twhere the the subject has already thoroughly covered somewhere else. All in one threads are cool because they fend against redundant new threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author Heidi White
    I've made the mistake once or twice. It's easy to do when you search for answers to a specific topic. Then you get involved in the conversation - and miss the dates.

    I agree we should be mindful of allowing a thread to get aged too long. There's nothing worse then some thread that's 4 years old, takes 2 days to read, and doesn't tell you until the last page - that all the advice in the first 10 pages is obsolete, dangerous, or illegal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Here's a perfect example (I think) of what the OP is talking about. I noticed this particular occurrence a few months ago. At the time, there was a thread that was about two years old in which the OP asked for advice. Someone quoted one of the posts and said "I agree." Here's the problem with that:

    1) It's highly improbably the OP was still looking for advice two years after his original post.

    2) Posting "I agree" to a long dead thread adds no value to the thread.

    3) Do so causes others to start adding answers because they, too, didn't noticed the original post date. So now you have multiple people wasting their time and energy trying to help someone who, in all likelihood, no longer needs help with his original problem.

    I don't recall what the problem was, but if I remember correctly is was pretty unique situation, so the answers probably wouldn't apply to anyone else. These are the kinds of resurrections that are annoying and unnecessary that I think Scrofford was talking about.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Here's a perfect example (I think) of what the OP is talking about. I noticed this particular occurrence a few months ago. At the time, there was a thread that was about two years old in which the OP asked for advice. Someone quoted one of the posts and said "I agree." Here's the problem with that:

      1) It's highly improbably the OP was still looking for advice two years after his original post.

      2) Posting "I agree" to a long dead thread adds no value to the thread.

      3) Do so causes others to start adding answers because they, too, didn't noticed the original post date. So now you have multiple people wasting their time and energy trying to help someone who, in all likelihood, no longer needs help with his original problem.

      I don't recall what the problem was, but if I remember correctly is was pretty unique situation, so the answers probably wouldn't apply to anyone else. These are the kinds of resurrections that are annoying and unnecessary that I think Scrofford was talking about.
      Dennis, I remember the thread you are talking about. Even the original poster came back and told people it was an old thread and the problem was long gone.

      I'm not sure a separate area is the answer, though. Sometimes searching can be tough enough as it is. Perhaps some type of flag can be added via programming to warn of a thread over a certain age, and the poster has to confirm their desire to post to an old thread. Just an idea... if it's truly a problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author SageSound
    how many of these posters are simply trying to bump their post counts? That's the first thing I check when I see stuff like that. Most of the time they're very low.

    I've clicked the infraction button and before long, they seem to have disappeared.

    But the effect is that others start to add their own replies and the old threads then linger again.

    Not to mention that people frequently read the first few posts, then post a reply without bothering to read the entire thread.
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  • Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

    I have been noticing a lot lately how old threads (months old) are being brought back to life for no apparent reason. I found one that is up right now that was brought back just so the person could promote what was in their sig.

    There have been some other threads on this before, but for the people that are new here, STOP RESURRECTING THREADS THAT ARE MONTHS OLD! There is no reason for this and it's irritating! Start a new thread or something with a new subject.

    Yes you can search old threads and learn from them. That's what the search function is for! But why must you comment in a thread that is old and hasn't been touched for months? It just clutters up the main page and doesn't do anyone any good! There, I'm done ranting now./rant
    It's OK, you can continue your ranting.

    I AGREE, but hey at least it is a few months old. I have been to forums where I have seen TWO YEAR OLD THREADS resurrected!!! YEAP, and the funny part is that most of the time they are stupid questions asked by people who simply wanted to drop a link. If you looked at the number of posts it stayed at like, I dunno, less than 10?? So, it was started by a newbie looking to drop a link and resurrected by another newbie looking to drop a link. That stinks. It gives us newbies a BAD REP...
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by ContentArticleWriter View Post

      It's OK, you can continue your ranting.

      I AGREE, but hey at least it is a few months old. I have been to forums where I have seen TWO YEAR OLD THREADS resurrected!!! YEAP, and the funny part is that most of the time they are stupid questions asked by people who simply wanted to drop a link. If you looked at the number of posts it stayed at like, I dunno, less than 10?? So, it was started by a newbie looking to drop a link and resurrected by another newbie looking to drop a link. That stinks. It gives us newbies a BAD REP...
      If you see something like this, the best course of action is to report it for moderation (the little triangle icon on the left). If the thread has no value, it should disappear...
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Can the WFPD please explain the rules concerning this?
        Ummm... That's a new one. I honestly don't think I've ever seen that before.

        Anywho...

        The folks who're obviously doing this for link love get reported, and they get banned.

        As far as the legitimate posters and old threads, there are a few ways to handle it. If you're adding something specific and useful, go ahead and add it to the earlier thread.

        An example of this is the long thread about what some folks pay outsourcers in the Phillippines. A gentleman who lives there posted the actual hourly rates that people in the country get for various tasks. That's extremely relevant and useful information, and it belonged in that thread.

        If you have a question, you may want to read some old threads on the topic and refer back to them in a new thread. Gives the URLs to those, summarize what you understand from them, and then pose the question.

        That does a few things that will help. It shows that you've done the proper searching, gives people a context within which to better understand and answer your question, and encourages others to add to the total content, rather than just rehashing the original comments.

        It also helps you to clarify your thinking, which may get you the answer you want without your needing to depend on others, who may not be able to help.


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