Mario Brown Says: STOP Distracting Your SELF! SELL! SELL! SELL! Make Money Online

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Just watch this video:


This guy rocks.

I am subscribed to at least 300+ marketers and I receive emails in my mailbox every hour.

What I did is..

I made a filter for each marketer that sends me an email with an option "skip the inbox". Hence, the emails are still stored as an archive automatically in my mailbox like an IM search engine. Whenever I choose, I can see what these guys are up to.

Most marketers sell! You subscribe to them not to buy but to make money by selling online. They send you emails to SELL! That's how everyone makes money online.

Another thing I do is..

I disconnect the internet when I don't need it. When I can work offline, I do it that way. Many times, I copy-paste the articles I like in MS word / notepad and then start writing a new article by taking bits and pieces from other quality articles as well as adding my vision to the article.

Without implementing, you won't realize whether your strategy works or not.

I recently used twitter to send 600+ visitors to an affiliate squeeze page. It just opened just 12 hours back. I have got no sales as yet. So I can know that it does not work so well or it works well only after implementing a particular strategy. This way I realized that I need to shift my focus to things that work better and try out new things.

People are scared of failure. That's because they take failure personally. In my case I would say, twitter did not work so well. For some, it does and for some it doesn't. Success depends on a variety of factors and not just one. If you don't fail, you will never learn what works and what doesn't.

The only thing you need to do is move on to something you think... WORKS. If it still does not work, then take someone's advice on the warrior forum.

I have been through every bit of what Mario is saying.

So, here's the deal. If anyone wants help to increase productivity, I will help them sharpen their focus at 0 cost provided they are a fellow warrior. Does not matter if you're a newbie or new to the warrior forum. Feel free to PM me.

I just want to thank the forum members for being brilliant at helping people out. Feel free to PM me if you're stuck.

If you like this post, please express it freely.

Just to add a quick important tip:

It's not aggregation of knowledge that makes you money. It's your ability to sell a product / service that makes you money.

Eben Pagan had once said: Most successful businessmen don't think about whether a particular idea will work or not, they immediately start implementing a new idea to realize whether it works or not. The key to succeeding as an online marketer is the speed of implementation.

The faster you will implement, the faster you will be clear about what makes you money and what does not make you money.

The faster you start implementing what you've learn't, the faster you will EARN money online. Making money online is not a get-rich-quick opportunity. Making money online has to be a proper business with a proper strategy. You can't skip-hop-jump every HOT opportunity you find. You need to focus on one opportunity that MAKES YOU MONEY.

I did not wish to struggle in life and I just ended up struggling in my life. You know why? because I went overboard with all the information that is being imparted by marketers wanting to sell their products online.

If you get overwhelmed with information, you get stuck. Then, obviously you can't focus on one thing at a time. You need a sharp focus which is STILL. Don't let greed overtake you.

Do one thing with complete concentration at one time & YOU WILL succeed no doubt about that.
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  • Profile picture of the author tribros
    Folks, it's really simple to make money online... "ONE SOLID STRATEGY" - don't reinvent the wheel... "TAKE ACTION" and "DON'T JUMP FROM ONE OPPORTUNITY TO ANOTHER"
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    • Profile picture of the author VeitSchenk
      easier said than done!

      although I agree 100% with the "one solid strategy", the big issue is with the whole taking (massive) action thing:

      for most people it's an unfortunate chicken-and-egg/hamsterwheel situation:

      they're stressed because they're not progressing/making money, so they buy a new course that promises to deliver exactly what they want.

      result: stress and anxiety goes down, the hope that "this time it's different" goes up. And the brain goes: "oh, cool, here's a strategy that reduces stress and anxiety, I'll remember that for the next time the body feels stressed..."

      then the inevitable happens: no progress, credit-card bills comes in, no income, stress and anxiety go up again.

      And our lovely brain remembers: "hang on, didn't I discover a great strategy for reducing stress and anxiety. Ah yes, buying courses seemed to help, let's do that again...".

      Whilst the few who actually get stuff done and build successful businesses kinda "look down" on those who just keep buying courses and tell them it's just a matter of willpower, focus and self-discipline and all they need to do is take action, in practice, this is a serious issue, or vicious cycle which you're unlikely to ever interrupt with just willpower and taking action alone.

      it's a well-proven anxiety-management process your brain is likely to use again and again and it's not going to give this up unless you find an even better method for reducing stress and anxiety.
      (it's exactly the same when people drink too much, eat too much, gamble too much, it's always about reducing stress/anxiety/... in the short term.)

      Cheers

      Veit

      PS: if you're interested in interrupting this cycle, I've got a bunch of free videos in the war-room that will certainly help. PM me if you're not in the warroom (heck, why aren't you?;-)


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      Folks, it's really simple to make money online... "ONE SOLID STRATEGY" - don't reinvent the wheel... "TAKE ACTION" and "DON'T JUMP FROM ONE OPPORTUNITY TO ANOTHER"
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Another thing I realized is:

    Most marketers create a buzz & a solid hype around a product.

    The fact is:

    HYPE sells products to a prospective customer. It's like throwing sand in your eyes to make you buy a product. They distract your attention to get you BUY their product.

    And most of us marketers get trapped in the frenzy each time a BIG marketer launches a product.

    It's called "Mass Control 2.0". It's the attention age.

    They just want to grab your attention so that they can sell you a product.

    Remove the distractions. Focus on what makes you money. ONLY do that, nothing more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marian
      Nice wake-up video and a good reminder. Thanks.

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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Ronakshah,

        Eben Pagan had once said: Most successful businessmen don't think about whether a particular idea will work or not, they immediately start implementing a new idea to realize whether it works or not. The key to succeeding as an online marketer is the speed of implementation.

        The faster you will implement, the faster you will be clear about what makes you money and what does not make you money.

        The faster you start implementing what you've learn't, the faster you will EARN money online.
        I totally disagree with this. In fact I think it's dangerous advice. I will concede that if you want to make money from trends and spend your time jumping feverishly from one thing to another, then speed is of the essence.

        Otherwise, what's the rush? What's the danger in stopping to think?

        The danger in following the advice given is that you will probably end up with a whole bunch of failed projects in your trail, and if those projects involve trying to sell them to people at the time, there's a whole host of interconnected issues.

        But then what you have written seems to change tack -

        Making money online is not a get-rich-quick opportunity. Making money online has to be a proper business with a proper strategy. You can't skip-hop-jump every HOT opportunity you find. You need to focus on one opportunity that MAKES YOU MONEY.
        I agree with this.

        I did not wish to struggle in life and I just ended up struggling in my life. You know why? because I went overboard with all the information that is being imparted by marketers wanting to sell their products online.
        This is a different issue that isn't really connected. Instead of following others' lead (people trying to sell you stuff) you need to believe in yourself and follow your own course.

        I would work on solving this problem if I were you -

        I am subscribed to at least 300+ marketers and I receive emails in my mailbox every hour.
        HTH.

        PS I chose NOT to watch the video. I'm already awake ;-)
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        • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi Ronakshah,

          I totally disagree with this. In fact I think it's dangerous advice. I will concede that if you want to make money from trends and spend your time jumping feverishly from one thing to another, then speed is of the essence.

          Otherwise, what's the rush? What's the danger in stopping to think?

          The danger in following the advice given is that you will probably end up with a whole bunch of failed projects in your trail, and if those projects involve trying to sell them to people at the time, there's a whole host of interconnected issues.

          But then what you have written seems to change tack -

          I agree with this.

          This is a different issue that isn't really connected. Instead of following others' lead (people trying to sell you stuff) you need to believe in yourself and follow your own course.

          I would work on solving this problem if I were you -

          HTH.

          PS I chose NOT to watch the video. I'm already awake ;-)
          The problem with marketers is their thinking stops them from taking action.

          How can you decide whether a strategy works for you or not? by thinking? C'mon.

          Until you do it, you won't come to know whether it works or not.

          YOU've to accept failure as part of your journey to achieve success.

          Just to avoid failure if you keep stopping and just keep thinking all day, you won't certainly take action.

          What's the harm in taking action? Failure? BIG DEAL.

          Failing is part of life. That's how you succeed.

          Ever seen a baby starting to walk by itself. It falls a 100 times but again, it starts walking on its own. As we grow up, we've been taught to be scared.

          If you will keep thinking all the time, you will NEVER take action.

          Eben Pagan has made millions of $$$$$'s online. He is guiding so many marketers online. how much experience you've compared to him? (nothing personal)

          Eben offers solid piece of advice. It's true.

          Speed of implementation is the key to success in almost any field of life.

          Look, you're scared of failure and everyone is. FEAR of failure stops you from moving ahead. Fear makes you think & doubt if you're doing the right thing. There is no right and wrong. It's just the way things really are. You need to see what works and what doesn't for you.

          So, I'm saying: if you have a brilliant idea, don't wait for someone else to approve it for you and tell you it's a great idea. Don't seek another individuals approval or doubt a strategy. TAKE ACTION NOW. First implement it NOW. Then see the results.

          I have seen REAL results whenever I took action immediately.

          Exrat,

          My 2 post were clubbed into one within the OP by a mod when they were separate. I wanted to keep them separate but couldn't help it.

          The problem with marketers is they aren't able to channelize their focus and use their best investment: their time effectively. And they keep overloading themselves with thoughts and information which bites dust on their hard drive.

          It's time to take ACTION guys.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi Ronakshah,

            Did I suggest anywhere in my post that one should only think and not take any action?

            Just to avoid failure if you keep stopping and just keep thinking all day, you won't certainly take action.
            So why respond as if I did?

            What's the harm in taking action? Failure? BIG DEAL.
            Again, if you actually read the words I posted, you'll see that I pointed out the problem.

            Ever seen a baby starting to walk by itself.
            Yes. I actually helped one to learn this skill. He now runs (and even cycles) all over the place.

            Eben Pagan has made millions of $$$$$'s online. He is guiding so many marketers online. how much experience you've compared to him? (nothing personal)
            More than enough experience, thanks.

            Speed of implementation is the key to success in almost any field of life.
            Again, I disagree. And your responses are just confirming my point. I took the time to read your post and respond to it coherently.

            Look, you're scared of failure and everyone is.
            I disagree and think you're being presumptuous.

            FEAR of failure stops you from moving ahead. Fear makes you think & doubt if you're doing the right thing. There is no right and wrong. It's just the way things really are. You need to see what works and what doesn't for you.
            I disagree again.

            So, I'm saying: if you have a brilliant idea, don't wait for someone else to approve it for you and tell you it's a great idea. Don't seek another individuals approval or doubt a strategy. TAKE ACTION NOW. First implement it NOW. Then see the results.
            Actually, that wasn't what you were saying. You're now saying something different, which of course is perfectly fine. Just don't get mixed up about which point you're referring to at any one time.

            I have seen REAL results whenever I took action immediately.
            That's great, I'm delighted for you. But I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions based purely on that experience. I would also consider that others may have had different experiences, or may have have stopped to think about things and therefore have a broader perspective.

            And they keep overloading themselves with thoughts and information which bites dust on their hard drive.
            You're the one who said this -

            I am subscribed to at least 300+ marketers and I receive emails in my mailbox every hour.
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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi Robert,

              But if the qualification is (or the assumption) that people already have a solid base they are starting from and already have one method of making money...

              then implementing new stuff quickly in order to see if it can add to your bottom line is good advice.
              I agree with that. But I was responding to this -

              Most successful businessmen don't think about whether a particular idea will work or not, they immediately start implementing a new idea to realize whether it works or not. The key to succeeding as an online marketer is the speed of implementation.
              He's talking about new ideas and whether they will work or not - no mention of 'solid bases'. He's suggesting that *speed* is the 'key to succeeding'. I disagree with that, as pointed out above. You can sucessfully test out all sorts of stuff slowly and patiently.

              Let's use some extreme examples to elaborate on the point I'm making -

              Ex 1. Newbie marketer has built a list of 10000. He sees some advice saying 'use the email heading 'notification of payment received''.

              Is it better that he implements this immediately without thought or research because *speed* is the key?

              Ex 2. Newbie marketer sees some advice - 'don't waste money on expensive images from stock photo sites and waste time writing unique content - duplicate content penalty is a myth. Just take bits of other peoples' content from successful sites and 'borrow' some images from different sites.'

              Is it better that he implements this immediately without thought or research because *speed* is the key?

              By the way Roger thinking to much and over anaylising things is part of the reason why people fail to do anything.
              I agree that it's part of the reason - this is why I encourage people to find things out for themselves as opposed to endlessly buying products in order to learn.

              Usually successful people have ability to make decisions quickly, and are prepared to live with the consequences
              I totally agree with that - but I would add that to develop the ability to make decisions quickly that don't have drastic consequences if they turn out ot be wrong, takes many things - such as experience and the lessons learnt from experience.

              The OP is suggesting that stopping to think is totally taboo - I'm suggesting that one will never develop the ability to make excellent, quick decisions without first expanding their perspective through study and thought.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                Roger,

                Even if it's a new idea, what is the harm in implementing it right away?

                Looks like you know more than Eben Pagan does. Seriously, I must congratulate you. LOL

                Whatever I have learnt from Eben Pagan, he says its been proven by scientific research.

                The problem with "stopping to think" is you get entangled into a loop of 1000 thoughts which discourage you from being highly productive, achieving results and making the most of your time.

                My idea is to encourage action immediately. If you start thinking and enter a loop of thoughts, you will stop taking action until you are sure of your thoughts.

                It's better to take action than only think about taking action.

                There is nothing wrong in taking action immediately or thinking about an idea. You can think about ideas while you're taking action.

                If you stop to think "too much" about perfecting a system or new ideas, you WILL stop for more than a moment to act. That's where you stop taking action. That is when you stop making money.

                I am NOT stopping people from thinking at all. I am asking them to take action immediately on a particular plan / strategy / idea after they have already thought about a new idea that just struck their mind right now.

                If you read my post properly, I hope there will be an end to this one-on-one discussion.

                If you're highly successful in IM, I think this is not for you. It's for newbies, not people like you.

                I'll believe Eben Pagan more as he is one of the most highly paid marketers in the IM industry. He knows his stuff well, no doubt about that.

                Speed of implementation is key to success. Only after implementing can you create a solid base.

                Just researching won't create a solid base anyway because you don't have a validation until you've seen any results from your ideas.

                ExRat, Please stop arguing. PLEASE. Please interpret the OP correctly.

                If you've something to prove, please prove it. Else, let me have some peace here. PLEASE.
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                • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                  Hi Ronakshah,

                  Whatever I have learnt from Eben Pagan, he says its been proven by scientific research.[snip]I'll believe Eben Pagan more as he is one of the most highly paid marketers in the IM industry.
                  Well, it must be true in that case. No need for critical thinking, as long as those two things are in place.

                  Speed of implementation is key to success.
                  Repetition is key to believing.

                  If you're not able to interpret clearly, please avoid spoiling my thread with your counter arguments.
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                • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
                  Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                  Roger,

                  Even if it's a new idea, what is the harm in implementing it right away?

                  Looks like you know more than Eben Pagan does. Seriously, I must congratulate you. LOL

                  Whatever I have learnt from Eben Pagan, he says its been proven by scientific research.

                  The problem with "stopping to think" is you get entangled into a loop of 1000 thoughts which discourage you from being highly productive, achieving results and making the most of your time.

                  My idea is to encourage action immediately. If you start thinking and enter a loop of thoughts, you will stop taking action until you are sure of your thoughts.

                  It's better to take action than only think about taking action.

                  There is nothing wrong in taking action immediately or thinking about an idea. you can think about ideas while you're taking action.

                  If you stop to think "too much" about perfecting a system or new ideas, you WILL stop for more than a moment to act. That's where you stop taking action. That is when you stop making money.

                  I am NOT stopping people from thinking at all. I am asking them to take action immediately on a particular plan / strategy / idea after they have already thought about a new idea that just struck their mind right now.

                  If you read my post properly, I hope there will be an end to this one-on-one discussion.

                  If you're highly successful in IM, I think this is not for you. It's for newbies, not people like you.

                  I'll believe Eben Pagan more as he is one of the most highly paid marketers in the IM industry. He knows his stuff well, no doubt about that.

                  Speed of implementation is key to success.
                  HMMMM

                  you need to see where Eban is coming from Man...

                  He isnt saying jump on everything new out of the block for the sake of it

                  He's saying if your going to buy into it implement it straight away

                  if your not going to implement it straight away you dont need to buy it yet

                  Robert
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                  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                    Hi Robert,

                    HMMMM

                    you need to see where Eban is coming from Man...

                    He isnt saying jump on everything new out of the block for the sake of it

                    He's saying if your going to buy into it implement it straight away

                    if your not going to implement it straight away you dont need to buy it yet
                    I think you missed the rules of this thread -

                    If you're not able to interpret clearly, please avoid spoiling my thread with your counter arguments.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                    Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

                    HMMMM

                    you need to see where Eban is coming from Man...

                    He isnt saying jump on everything new out of the block for the sake of it

                    He's saying if your going to buy into it implement it straight away

                    if your not going to implement it straight away you dont need to buy it yet

                    Robert
                    Robert,

                    That's exactly what I meant.

                    The problem is people don't really read the post and then reply which leads to arguments. I dislike arguments that are uncalled for and hence spoils a thread.

                    If you've got a new idea that you think is going to work, think no more. Just implement rather than stopping to think about it's viability.

                    Speed of implementation is "the time between you learn something new and implement it".

                    People expect results to happen overnight. It doesn't work that way. The thing is they have to implement in order to reap the results. Expect less, work more.

                    A debate is fine. Mis-interpretation is dangerous. Period.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                      :sigh:

                      Mario reminds me of my old minister from about 25 years ago.

                      He'd turn a 5 minute sermon into 30 by saying the same thing over and over
                      and not really say anything new after the first 5 minutes. If you can't make
                      your point quickly without repeating yourself over and over, you've failed
                      in getting your point across.

                      In that respect, this video fails...big time.

                      As to the point itself...stop buying and start selling...well, I'd like to call
                      that probably the biggest duh statement since Custer said, "I think we're
                      in trouble."

                      I have to wonder just who this message is targeting.

                      Is there anybody out there really that dense that they don't realize that
                      the only way to make money is to sell something, whether it be a product
                      or service or whatever?

                      Even I understood, when I first started, that I had to sell something.

                      And I had absolutely no selling experience online at all.

                      But I did live in the real world for crying out loud.

                      I'd walk into a food store for food to buy my breakfast, lunch, dinner,
                      snacks and whatever.

                      Nobody just gave me the food.

                      I'd walk into my local record store to get the latest ELP, Renaissance,
                      ELO and Yes albums.

                      Nobody just gave them to me.

                      I'd walk into an electronics store to buy a record player to play my ELP,
                      Renaissance, ELO and Yes albums.

                      Nobody just gave me one.

                      Yeah, you have to sell something...duh.

                      If this is supposed to be inspirational, I wonder what type of person
                      actually gets pumped up by this Tony Robbinesque tripe.

                      I'm not trying to be a downer here, but good grief. If you're determined to
                      be an Internet marketer maybe the first thing you need to do is look up
                      the word marketing in the dictionary and understand what it really means.

                      As far as getting rid of distractions and the other points he made, yeah,
                      he made them in the first 30 seconds.

                      There was no need to go on for 8 minutes.

                      I realize that he's passionate about what he does, but if you're going
                      to do a motivational video, plan it out better. Watch some of the pros.

                      At least they're interesting to listen to because they don't say the same
                      thing over and over. They have a plan. They execute it.

                      They make you believe.

                      The only thing I got out of this video was 8 minutes of my life gone.

                      But okay, points made:

                      1. Get rid of distractions (Twitter, Facebook, emails, etc.)
                      2. Unsubscribe from 99% of your lists.
                      3. Stop buying stuff.
                      4. Start selling stuff.


                      Great. The first 3 are easy. At least they better damn well be.

                      Number 4?

                      Okay Mario, how the hell do we start selling stuff when we don't have
                      the foggiest clue what we're doing?

                      Oh, I know...let's get an education first.

                      That might not be a bad idea.

                      But therein lies the rub...how do we do this?

                      We certainly can't do it on our own. We've already proven that by the
                      300 lists we've joined and all the products we've bought because we still
                      don't know what we're doing.

                      If we did, and any of these products had any value at all, we'd already
                      know that..

                      We Have To Sell Stuff!!!!

                      Can you not see the irony in all of this?

                      What these people need is a person to take them by the hand and walk
                      them through the process of planning a business and executing it.

                      Because if after 300 lists and God knows how many product purchases,
                      they don't understand that they have to sell stuff...

                      There is absolutely no hope for them any other way.

                      Now I will go hide in my bunker while you guys start chucking hand
                      grenades at me.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                        Steven, though I have been a big fan of your's I did not have the slightest idea that you won't be able to understand "who" that video is targeting.

                        It's not for a person like you. You guys must stop taking it personally.

                        And

                        Concluding the video as a failure itself is a BIG joke. LOL. Steven, you made me laugh LOL .

                        That's because you're not a newbie who keeps buying stuff repetitively and keeps thinking too much about "how to act" to make money online "all the time".

                        And you're contradicting your own statements by asking "who" is the video targeting. Sure the video does help because there are people appreciating my effort to post that video. Got it?

                        Some people like it, some people don't. It's a personal view and everyone is right in their own way. Instead of appreciating, some of you guys are putting down the good work. That's ridiculous.

                        The video is awesome and it DOES help.

                        I started getting PM's for help. Steven, you don't realize the problems I am addressing right now on this thread. No offence, I admire you.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                          Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                          Steven, though I have been a big fan of your's I did not have the slightest idea that you won't be able to understand "who" that video is targeting.

                          It's not for a person like you. You guys must stop taking it personally.

                          And

                          Concluding the video as a failure itself is a BIG joke. LOL. Steven, you made me laugh LOL .

                          That's because you're not a newbie who keeps buying stuff repetitively and keeps thinking too much about "how to act" to make money online "all the time".

                          And you're contradicting your own statements by asking "who" is the video targeting. Sure the video does help because there are people appreciating my effort to post that video. Got it?

                          Some people like it, some people don't. It's a personal view and everyone is right in their own way. Instead of appreciating, some of you guys are putting down the good work. That's ridiculous.

                          The video is awesome and it DOES help.

                          I started getting PM's for help. Steven, you don't realize the problems I am addressing right now on this thread. No offence, I admire you.

                          Well, you obviously missed my point. The video fails in the message it's
                          trying to convey...whoever the target is.

                          It states the obvious, especially to those people who are on 300 lists
                          and who bought who knows how many products.

                          If these people don't already understand that they have to sell stuff,
                          then there is a more serious problem there than just needing a little
                          kick in the pants.

                          But anyway, I've said my peace and am going to leave it at that.

                          Don't worry...I have a deep bunker I can hide in.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                            Well, you obviously missed my point. The video fails in the message it's
                            trying to convey...whoever the target is.

                            It states the obvious, especially to those people who are on 300 lists
                            and who bought who knows how many products.

                            If these people don't already understand that they have to sell stuff,
                            then there is a more serious problem there than just needing a little
                            kick in the pants.

                            But anyway, I've said my peace and am going to leave it at that.

                            Don't worry...I have a deep bunker I can hide in.
                            How about starting strong and finding things to make you stronger?

                            Everyone thinks about having a strong foundation when they start working as an internet marketer.

                            Create a "strong foundation" with deeper roots is what everyone wants. For instance, petronas towers in Malaysia has its foundation around 400 feet down in earth (394 to be precise). Some bamboo trees take 3 years to establish a strong root system but once they have done that, they take only a day to grow 2-3 feet each day.

                            Whereas Privy trees grows only a feet a year.

                            Structural problems create huge issues down the road.

                            We think we know it all, we are smart and do not like to ask for help.

                            Often than not according to Eben Pagan's experience, The paths to success is not obvious and counter intuitive. We have active mechanisms in our mind, body & emotional systems that actively prevent us from getting altitude & achieving success.

                            Its intuitive to focus on your own needs in any situation and to focus on what you want or are getting. It is counter-intuitive and not obvious for you to focus on another persons needs in any situation.

                            This is what I've learnt from Eben Pagan.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                              Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                              How about starting strong and finding things to make you stronger?

                              Everyone thinks about having a strong foundation when they start working as an internet marketer.

                              Create a "strong foundation" with deeper roots is what everyone wants. For instance, petronas towers in Malaysia has its foundation around 400 feet down in earth (394 to be precise). Some bamboo trees take 3 years to establish a strong root system but once they have done that, they take only a day to grow 2-3 feet each day.

                              Whereas Privy trees grows only a feet a year.

                              Structural problems create huge issues down the road.

                              We think we know it all, we are smart and do not like to ask for help.

                              Often than not according to Eben Pagan's experience, The paths to success is not obvious and counter intuitive. We have active mechanisms in our mind, body & emotional systems that actively prevent us from getting altitude & achieving success.

                              Its intuitive to focus on your own needs in any situation and to focus on what you want or are getting. It is counter-intuitive and not obvious for you to focus on another persons needs in any situation.

                              This is what I've learnt from Eben Pagan.

                              Well, I'm not sure how this addresses my last comment but, okay.

                              Sorry...but I just can't drink the Kool-Aid anymore.

                              These people don't need inspirational videos. They don't need "The Power
                              Of Positive Thinking" or "The Secret".

                              What they need is a solid plan and somebody to help them execute it.

                              Everything else is just rah, rah, hoop-de-dah.
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                                But Steven... we all make our living online with the "secret"

                                Nothing wrong with positive thinking ... right now I am thinking Porterhouse.

                                Bet I have to , at the very least, make a phone call to get it delivered .

                                Wow ... I thought about that and delivered porterhouse ( I like mine rare "as in moo" ) wouldn't be too good . Guess a rapid decision would have left me dissatisfied .

                                Now that I have truly thought it out and weighed the pros and cons ... think I will go to where they are cooking it .


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                                Well, I'm not sure how this addresses my last comment but, okay.

                                Sorry...but I just can't drink the Kool-Aid anymore.

                                These people don't need inspirational videos. They don't need "The Power
                                Of Positive Thinking" or "The Secret".

                                What they need is a solid plan and somebody to help them execute it.

                                Everything else is just rah, rah, hoop-de-dah.
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                                  Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

                                  Nothing wrong with positive thinking ... right now I am thinking Porterhouse.
                                  I got a good laugh out of that. Thanks for making my morning!
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                                  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                                    Hi,

                                    I've seen this loads of time before (the course the thread is taking.)

                                    Different people have made different points to the OP, yet some of those who choose to back him up are clubbing the others together - EG - as 'complainers'.

                                    People won't learn much until they start actually reading the words and properly comprehending them - and then when they comment they need to be specific about who, or what they are commenting on.

                                    I didn't actually watch the video or make any comments about it. I pointed out that I disagreed with the Eben Pagan quote and disagreed with what the OP repeatedly stated as the 'key to success'. Note - I also offered an alternative point of view.

                                    Steven commented on the video.

                                    Two entirely different subjects.

                                    If you disagree with Steven, make that clear, quoting him if necessary.

                                    Likewise for myself, or Mark, or the OP or anyone else.

                                    You'd probably be surprised how much ALL of us can learn from healthy debate/discussion.

                                    You'd probably also be surprised how much we can ALL fail to learn by stifling debate due to clubbing everyone into two 'us and them' camps, then by clubbing each differing opinion in each camp into one general opinion to suit the 'us and them' scenario some seem to be trying to create.

                                    Hi Mike,

                                    Doesn't mean that the discussion can't adhere to some common sense though.
                                    Where is the discussion NOT adhering to common sense? Please be specific. Or are you just talking about your own perceived version of common sense?

                                    Ease up people. If someone is on a bunch of lists and has bought a bunch of products then of course they need to go ahead and take action on some of them. They've been in think mode long enough. Time to go out and test some of them. Thats the whole context.
                                    No, it's NOT the whole context (do you mean 'point'?). That's the point I'm making above.

                                    Hi Mark,

                                    That thread in the copywriting forum is enlightening - I hadn't seen it previously. I see there's a recurring theme here...
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                      Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                                      Hi

                                      I didn't actually watch the video or make any comments about it. I pointed out that I disagreed with the Eben Pagan quote and disagreed with what the OP repeatedly stated as the 'key to success'. Note - I also offered an alternative point of view.
                                      The video is the main context. No I did not mean point. I wrote and meant context. YOu can't come in and just lop off one sentence without looking at the subject. The video is about people who have bought many products and subscribed to many lists. Its about taking action in the context of people who already have multiple plans sitting on. The post is not seperate it rises out of the points in the video.

                                      Where is the discussion NOT adhering to common sense? Please be specific. Or are you just talking about your own perceived version of common sense?
                                      I think I was very specific and obvious at indicating what was not common sense. I cited exactly was not common sense _ claiming that something was a failure that most other people found very useful. Theres fair disagreement and then theres illogical conclusion drawing. If you have a way of perceiving common sense that makes something useful to many a failure do tell.

                                      My intent isn't to lump any bunch of people together. I jsut don't get where the level of hostility I have seen in this thread comes from. The course that this thread has taken is one of constantly increasing hostility. Taking a single point and arguing it without watching the video to get the full sense of what is meant, To blasting it for being a failure in defiance of people saying it helped them to now attacks on the OP , what he is and isnt doing , all the way to briging his website and what he chooses now to sell over what he did before into it.

                                      IF you are worried about how the thread is going you might want to critique that - all I am doing is saying ease up on the blasting.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                          Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

                                          Whose blasting who Mike?

                                          Where is this hostility of which you speak?

                                          Personally, I don't see any. (From anyone.)

                                          What I do see is some worthwhile counter arguments, as Becky pointed out, this is a discussion forum.

                                          .
                                          His website, What he chooses to to sell anymore or what is in his signature, What he in particular struggles with or is good at was never the subject of this thread. Nice try Mark but Becky's point doesn't apply. That was an attack post despite whoever thanked you for it.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                                          Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

                                          Whose blasting who Mike?

                                          Where is this hostility of which you speak?

                                          Personally, I don't see any. (From anyone.)

                                          What I do see is some worthwhile counter arguments, as Becky pointed out, this is a discussion forum.

                                          People are allowed and should be encouraged to disagree with points raised, it's how a healthy discussion takes place - one in which we can all learn together.

                                          All too often I see this, that is anyone that proffers a counter argument or point of view being labelled as troublemakers, aggressive or arguing just for the sake of it.

                                          If you switch it around for a second, rather than seeing this with the preconceived view that others are being aggressive or in your choice of expression 'hostile' - you might actually see that others here are actually trying to help out the OP (Ronakshah) to help him gain more clarity and focus.

                                          No offence to him but the lad often seems well, a bit lost.

                                          I worded my original post if you notice more as a series of questions, intended to help him rather than any display of hostility towards him.

                                          But then I would have thought that was obvious.

                                          Hopefully this new explanation will suffice for you.

                                          All the best,


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                                          I replied there in your thread Ronakshah in Reply #11, your reply in #14 is exactly that which you are accusing me of above.

                                          Every time some posters try and help you, you just throw their help back in their faces.
                                          A counter argument is fine. An off-topic comment pisses me off. Not just me, everyone else as well. An off-track comment pisses everyone off as it takes away the value of a thread.

                                          When a couple of people don't understand something on this thread especially while a majority of other people do, it's clear that there is nothing wrong with what I've posted.

                                          Same thing happened with Steven. Steven acted like he knew-it-all whereas he was so confused and uncomfortable with a video being unscripted. I loved watching the video so did many of us.

                                          Look Mark Andrews, if you've a personal issue with me send me a mail. Not THIS thread.

                                          Did I ask you for help? is this thread created for you to make personal comments about me? You as usual make off-topic comments that destroy a thread which is why most people remain annoyed with you.

                                          Keep distance from me. I am NOT impressed. AT ALL.
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                                      ExRat, you just commented :
                                      - and then when they comment they need to be specific about who, or what they are commenting on.

                                      I'm sure you take your own advice... at least part of the time. The "clubbers as ..complainers" or the "trying to create an "us and them" scenario" er's, not sure who you are referring to there. (maybe me for one??)

                                      I see it as not a clubbing etc thread at all, just a healthy voice-ing of passionate members, because really, it's all been very positive towards the OP mostly.

                                      I'd like to reiterate just a little thought if I can..... here's to all the thousands on this forum who get whatever help they get.....by not considering themselves too expert or too 'awake' already to hear a word or two in everyone's voice.

                                      I believe that we all have something to say and no matter what you hear in it, is an individual thing.

                                      If you haven't watched the video, for one, how can you even gauge what we're referring to? And also, for being already "awake" I do wonder where your signature is since 2005? Maybe you don't post your signature, maybe you haven't got a website, I have no idea. ?

                                      I don't either, but I'll be putting one up and the others as soon as I can, just for the heck of it....nothing huge......but I'm not considering myself already awake either. Far from it.

                                      I need all the help I can get. I'd like to help you get a site up too if you don't already have one....I'd be glad to. Then again, if.......you don't have one. Not saying you don't, just wonderin' now......and offering a helping hand....
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                                      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                                        Hi Mike,

                                        YOu can't come in and just lop off one sentence without looking at the subject.
                                        Actually I can. If you were to go back and read my post you'll see that the points I made stand entirely on their own, without me needing to have watched the video.

                                        Explanation - if someone puts a quote from someone else such as -

                                        The key to succeeding as an online marketer is the speed of implementation.
                                        ..then I can comment that I disagree with it, while giving my reasons and an alternative theory - without having to watch the video.

                                        I think I was very specific and obvious at indicating what was not common sense. I cited exactly was not common sense _ claiming that something was a failure that most other people found very useful. Theres fair disagreement and then theres illogical conclusion drawing. If you have a way of perceiving common sense that makes something useful to many a failure do tell.
                                        Yes, you are being specific by making the first part of the statement, this time. Yet (again) in the last sentence you then attribute the statement incorrectly to me - it was Steven who commented on the video, not me - therefore I'm not suggesting that the video is a failure in any way, shape or form.

                                        The course that this thread has taken is one of constantly increasing hostility
                                        That's your perception. I haven't contributed any hostility, unless you count emoticons.

                                        My intent isn't to lump any bunch of people together.

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                                        Taking a single point and arguing it without watching the video to get the full sense of what is meant, To blasting it for being a failure in defiance of people saying it helped them to now attacks on the OP , what he is and isnt doing , all the way to briging his website and what he chooses now to sell over what he did before into it.
                                        Yet again, you're doing precisely what you stated you weren't intending to do a few sentences before -

                                        IF you are worried about how the thread is going you might want to critique that - all I am doing is saying ease up on the blasting.
                                        Where, exactly, was I blasting?

                                        Can you see the problem here? You're getting everyones' comments mixed up and then attributing the wrong behaviours to them. This is not conducive to sensible debate. Perhaps that's why you are perceiving 'increasing hostility' because people are having to remind you of what they actually said.

                                        Hi missm2m,

                                        If you haven't watched the video, for one, how can you even gauge what we're referring to?
                                        I'm not discussing the video or the merits of it's content, as my posts show. You may not believe me, but I was simply trying to help, in a manner that I have been doing here for quite some time now, although I admit my 'style' can often rub people up the wrong way. Emotions are good, they make experiences more memorable - so I 'encourage' people to show them - we all get to the heart of the matter more efficiently.

                                        Thanks for your kind offer, it's much appreciated - but no, it's not because I don't have websites.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mario Brown
                                First of all thanks to everybody who contacted be because of this video, you guys are all welcome .

                                I'm happy that this inspired so many of you and that is what counts after all.

                                So far I had over 150 people respond to this video, either through pm, on my membership site or in This Thread.

                                Many people actually finally took action and either unsubscribed from lists, submitted there first articles or did other things that helped them to either get less distracted or to finally take action and get some content out there.

                                That's all I can ask for and I'm happy to see that I could get some people to really implement something, that's not an easy thing to achieve after all.

                                So to me it's quite obvious who this video was meant for, even though it wasn't planned or scripted or anything like that. It was just a wake up call, that's it .

                                All the best,

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                                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                  Originally Posted by yellowboy View Post

                                  First of all thanks to everybody who contacted be because of this video, you guys are all welcome .

                                  I'm happy that this inspired so many of you and that is what counts after all.

                                  So far I had over 150 people respond to this video, either through pm, on my membership site or in This Thread.

                                  Many people actually finally took action and either unsubscribed from lists, submitted there first articles or did other things that helped them to either get less distracted or to finally take action and get some content out there.

                                  That's all I can ask for and I'm happy to see that I could get some people to really implement something, that's not an easy thing to achieve after all.

                                  So to me it's quite obvious who this video was meant for, even though it wasn't planned or scripted or anything like that. It was just a wake up call, that's it .

                                  All the best,

                                  Mario

                                  Mario, I admire your enthusiasm.

                                  Can I make a suggestion?

                                  For the next video you do, and I think you should do another one, I
                                  would include a brief section on day planning. I'm not going to tell you
                                  how to do it because I have my way and I am sure everybody else has
                                  their way, but a little substance on actually planning and executing a
                                  day's work will help a lot.

                                  Tack that at the end of your inspirational pep talk and you'll really have
                                  something.

                                  JMO of course.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author missm2m
                                    Ronakshah, I understand where you're coming from.

                                    If nothing else I like hearing just blunt, short, and simple truth too once in a while, as in Mario's video. (which I think is great)!

                                    It helps some of us. Any others who might find it less so, might just find solace from another truth though, which is simply, that we are not, as we know, all in the same place.

                                    We are all in our own place of progression. What little (or much) help we can give or get along the way, it doesn't matter, as long as it helps.

                                    I hope simplicity itself, never loses it's place of prominence here in the forum either, because if it was all for "experts" (and I don't mean that negatively) I doubt if there'd be thousands of online users here at any given moment.

                                    I'm willing to bet the thousands are more in company than the experts.

                                    Thanks to all who give so much, so freely. I hope I can add something useful back.

                                    So. Here's to all the thousands of us! And thanks again everyone.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                                  Originally Posted by yellowboy View Post

                                  First of all thanks to everybody who contacted be because of this video, you guys are all welcome .

                                  I'm happy that this inspired so many of you and that is what counts after all.

                                  So far I had over 150 people respond to this video, either through pm, on my membership site or in This Thread.

                                  Many people actually finally took action and either unsubscribed from lists, submitted there first articles or did other things that helped them to either get less distracted or to finally take action and get some content out there.

                                  That's all I can ask for and I'm happy to see that I could get some people to really implement something, that's not an easy thing to achieve after all.

                                  So to me it's quite obvious who this video was meant for, even though it wasn't planned or scripted or anything like that. It was just a wake up call, that's it .

                                  All the best,

                                  Mario
                                  Mario, I LIKED it the way it was done.

                                  It was not some artificial pep talk. It was natural. It was original and there was nothing shady about it. I liked the disorganized complete natural way of you speaking your heart and mind fully in front of a crowd who needs it desperately.

                                  I would strongly disagree with Steven on this part that you always need to plan a video. I don't think so. Videos are powerful when they sound REAL and Nature-al.

                                  It was exciting and enthusiastic. You don't need to script such videos. It wasn't a sales pitch after all. Steven, I am laughing because I feel you still haven't got the idea as yet. I see you're quite disturbed with the thought that it was not planned. LOL.

                                  I am sure you had a lot of ????????? as to why the video came out the way it was done. The video was not meant for Steven anyway. Steven, keep digging GOLD and teach others as well! Keep up the good work.

                                  Mario, excellent work. The video is awesome.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                    Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                                    Mario, I LIKED it the way it was done.

                                    It was not some artificial pep talk. It was natural. It was original and there was nothing shady about it. I liked the disorganized complete natural way of you speaking your heart and mind fully in front of a crowd who needs it desperately.

                                    I would strongly disagree with Steven on this part that you always need to plan a video. I don't think so. Videos are powerful when they sound REAL and Nature-al.

                                    It was exciting and enthusiastic. You don't need to script such videos. It wasn't a sales pitch after all. Steven, I am laughing because I feel you still haven't got the idea as yet. I see you're quite disturbed with the thought that it was not planned. LOL.

                                    I am sure you had a lot of ????????? as to why the video came out the way it was done. The video was not meant for Steven anyway. Steven, keep digging GOLD and teach others as well! Keep up the good work.

                                    Mario, excellent work. The video is awesome.

                                    No, I got the idea. I'm not dense. It just doesn't work. At least it doesn't
                                    work as well as it could have.

                                    But I'm tired of debating this.

                                    See, I actually do have a day planned and I am going to take action on
                                    it.

                                    So enjoy the rest of this thread...I'm done.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                                      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                                      No, I got the idea. I'm not dense. It just doesn't work. At least it doesn't
                                      work as well as it could have.

                                      But I'm tired of debating this.

                                      See, I actually do have a day planned and I am going to take action on
                                      it.

                                      So enjoy the rest of this thread...I'm done.
                                      On the contrary so many people said It did work for them.

                                      How can you argue with people who believe it did work for them, Steven? I got no clue how in the world you can contradict people who are really happy to watch the video.

                                      STEVEN, Life does not give you everything on a platter that everything works the way you want it to happen every time you think or desire. You can't expect life to work exactly the way you want it to work. It has it's own rules. Got it?

                                      I find the video is excellent hence I put it. I know what the problems are. I have faced them myself. And I got a solution for the problems many people face.

                                      So, thanks for giving up Steven! LOL

                                      Alas, there will be PEACE. Thank you Steven.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                                    Mario, I LIKED it the way it was done..

                                    Ditto Mario

                                    A little long but I wouldn't assume as is not the case that you never go in to details or your own plan of action (watch your video going forward one of them on Youtube was very shaky).

                                    Be yourself. It works quite nicely. Don't left anyone try and mold you into who you aren't. The positive response in this and the other thread speaks for itself. IF it didn't work as some are claiming then you wouldn't have gotten that kind of response. Ignore and move on bro.
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                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                            Well, you obviously missed my point. The video fails in the message it's
                            trying to convey...whoever the target is.

                            It states the obvious, especially to those people who are on 300 lists
                            and who bought who knows how many products.

                            If these people don't already understand that they have to sell stuff,
                            then there is a more serious problem there than just needing a little
                            kick in the pants.

                            But anyway, I've said my peace and am going to leave it at that.

                            Don't worry...I have a deep bunker I can hide in.
                            You missed my point Steven LOL. Actually.

                            I said it. It's NOT for you.

                            What is obvious to you doesn't seem obvious to many.

                            People get stuck in planning a foundation that they can't get out of it. They are stuck in a loop of information overload and don't realize how to manage their time better.

                            Yes, indeed. They need someone to take them by the hand and help them out.

                            I and Mario are addressing a very common problem in this industry. Do you even know why 90% of marketers who start marketing online don't make enough money like you do?

                            That's exactly why I said: you missed my point. Seriously.

                            Now go hide in the bunker because you got nothing else to do when a hand grenade is thrown at you LOL. Kidding. LOL
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                          Steven, though I have been a big fan of your's I did not have the slightest idea that you won't be able to understand "who" that video is targeting.

                          It's not for a person like you. You guys must stop taking it personally.

                          And

                          Concluding the video as a failure itself is a BIG joke. LOL. Steven, you made me laugh LOL ..
                          Relax. You ought to realize by now that some people object to anything unless it comes from them or their approved group. Worse if you advocate unsubscribing. LOL

                          In regard to failure. Could you PM me the place to subscribe to the guy in the video? He completely failed to push a make a million dollars in five minutes course and his common sense straight talk isn't so common in this biz. He repeats himself? Fine. So what? Some people like the conversational impassioned style. Everybody doesn't have to have the same style. I can stop the video when I want.

                          And for the record if the standard is that you should never state anything that is obvious (that people still miss) half the IM make money online world would fall off into the sea. Telling people to break away from distractions isn't just a rah rah - its the beginning of a plan of action for alot of people who admit they are serial buyers.

                          Seriously PM me. I subscribe to like two people. Don't need to unsubscribe and could do with one more common sense list.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
                        Steven you're completely correct in pretty much everything you said, so why do I feel like defending Mario here?

                        Ive watched the video a couple times and I remember thinking it was well well worth watching.

                        Did the video drag on? YES
                        Did mario keep repeating himself? YES
                        Was the video planned poorly? YES

                        But for whatever reason I found it helpful and I loved the amount of passion he showed

                        Sure it wasnt planned well but all in all it is what it is...a video to help the absolulte newbies who are struggling.

                        1 video isnt going to show everything a newbie needs to do to become a success but I think it helped a few people judging by its reception.

                        Anyone just another side to look at things



                        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                        :sigh:

                        Mario reminds me of my old minister from about 25 years ago.

                        He'd turn a 5 minute sermon into 30 by saying the same thing over and over
                        and not really say anything new after the first 5 minutes. If you can't make
                        your point quickly without repeating yourself over and over, you've failed
                        in getting your point across.

                        In that respect, this video fails...big time.

                        As to the point itself...stop buying and start selling...well, I'd like to call
                        that probably the biggest duh statement since Custer said, "I think we're
                        in trouble."

                        I have to wonder just who this message is targeting.

                        Is there anybody out there really that dense that they don't realize that
                        the only way to make money is to sell something, whether it be a product
                        or service or whatever?

                        Even I understood, when I first started, that I had to sell something.

                        And I had absolutely no selling experience online at all.

                        But I did live in the real world for crying out loud.

                        I'd walk into a food store for food to buy my breakfast, lunch, dinner,
                        snacks and whatever.

                        Nobody just gave me the food.

                        I'd walk into my local record store to get the latest ELP, Renaissance,
                        ELO and Yes albums.

                        Nobody just gave them to me.

                        I'd walk into an electronics store to buy a record player to play my ELP,
                        Renaissance, ELO and Yes albums.

                        Nobody just gave me one.

                        Yeah, you have to sell something...duh.

                        If this is supposed to be inspirational, I wonder what type of person
                        actually gets pumped up by this Tony Robbinesque tripe.

                        I'm not trying to be a downer here, but good grief. If you're determined to
                        be an Internet marketer maybe the first thing you need to do is look up
                        the word marketing in the dictionary and understand what it really means.

                        As far as getting rid of distractions and the other points he made, yeah,
                        he made them in the first 30 seconds.

                        There was no need to go on for 8 minutes.

                        I realize that he's passionate about what he does, but if you're going
                        to do a motivational video, plan it out better. Watch some of the pros.

                        At least they're interesting to listen to because they don't say the same
                        thing over and over. They have a plan. They execute it.

                        They make you believe.

                        The only thing I got out of this video was 8 minutes of my life gone.

                        But okay, points made:

                        1. Get rid of distractions (Twitter, Facebook, emails, etc.)
                        2. Unsubscribe from 99% of your lists.
                        3. Stop buying stuff.
                        4. Start selling stuff.


                        Great. The first 3 are easy. At least they better damn well be.

                        Number 4?

                        Okay Mario, how the hell do we start selling stuff when we don't have
                        the foggiest clue what we're doing?

                        Oh, I know...let's get an education first.

                        That might not be a bad idea.

                        But therein lies the rub...how do we do this?

                        We certainly can't do it on our own. We've already proven that by the
                        300 lists we've joined and all the products we've bought because we still
                        don't know what we're doing.

                        If we did, and any of these products had any value at all, we'd already
                        know that..

                        We Have To Sell Stuff!!!!

                        Can you not see the irony in all of this?

                        What these people need is a person to take them by the hand and walk
                        them through the process of planning a business and executing it.

                        Because if after 300 lists and God knows how many product purchases,
                        they don't understand that they have to sell stuff...

                        There is absolutely no hope for them any other way.

                        Now I will go hide in my bunker while you guys start chucking hand
                        grenades at me.
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                • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
                  Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                  Even if it's a new idea, what is the harm in implementing it right away?
                  I see these:

                  Wasting time while you should be doing what is already making you money?
                  Wasting your focus on something that "may or may not" make you money?
                  Losing money when you could be making money with what you do well?
                  Waste time doing the Frog Dance, jumping from method to method?

                  But I understand your point. People need to take action.

                  Nothing personal, BUT before judging ExRat or any other senior member, think about this:

                  Experience plays 75% of everything. These warriors have plenty of them. They walked the walk. Some of them partnered with Eben and taught him some stuff. BIG difference to average Joe.

                  You don't wanna waste their advice.

                  Just my 2 cents.

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              • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
                Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


                The OP is suggesting that stopping to think is totally taboo - I'm suggesting that one will never develop the ability to make excellent, quick decisions without first expanding their perspective through study and thought.
                With solid thinking like this People are going to start to realize you know what you are talking about .

                Do you really need that on your plate ? Just sayin
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Eben Pagan had once said: Most successful businessmen don't think about whether a particular idea will work or not, they immediately start implementing a new idea to realize whether it works or not. The key to succeeding as an online marketer is the speed of implementation.

          The faster you will implement, the faster you will be clear about what makes you money and what does not make you money.

          The faster you start implementing what you've learn't, the faster you will EARN money online.
          I totally disagree with this. In fact I think it's dangerous advice. I will concede that if you want to make money from trends and spend your time jumping feverishly from one thing to another, then speed is of the essence.

          Otherwise, what's the rush? What's the danger in stopping to think?

          The danger in following the advice given is that you will probably end up with a whole bunch of failed projects in your trail, and if those projects involve trying to sell them to people at the time, there's a whole host of interconnected issues.

          But if the qualification is (or the assumption) that people already have a solid base they are starting from and already have one method of making money...

          then implementing new stuff quickly in order to see if it can add to your bottom line is good advice.

          But I agree if you take that quote out of the context I gave it is dangerous

          Robert

          PS: By the way Roger thinking to much and over anaylising things is part of the reason why people fail to do anything.

          Usually successful people have ability to make decisions quickly, and are prepared to live with the consequences
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          • Profile picture of the author minefinder
            Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

            But if the qualification is (or the assumption) that people already have a solid base they are starting from and already have one method of making money...

            then implementing new stuff quickly in order to see if it can add to your bottom line is good advice.

            But I agree if you take that quote out of the context I gave it is dangerous

            Robert
            I Agree with robert.

            If you don't have any base... If you don't even have one product that is bringing result. Implementing so many stuffs will be dangerous.

            Eben Pagan became successful with 1st product which was double your dating.... He could implement lots of other ideas because he had base, he could afford.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
            Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

            But if the qualification is (or the assumption) that people already have a solid base they are starting from and already have one method of making money...

            then implementing new stuff quickly in order to see if it can add to your bottom line is good advice.

            But I agree if you take that quote out of the context I gave it is dangerous

            Robert

            PS: By the way Roger thinking to much and over anaylising things is part of the reason why people fail to do anything.

            Usually successful people have ability to make decisions quickly, and are prepared to live with the consequences
            Yes, the assumption is TRUE in this case.

            Most newbies are in search of "how-to" products more often than not.

            That's how they collect a load of information which they never use but it just bites the dust on their hard drive.

            They must know 1 way they can make money. If they don't know 1 way, they could follow a top marketer and implement everything that marketer teaches.

            Once you've a flow map, you can get going. If you don't, then you need to keep implementing what you've learnt until you get a proper flow map / cashmap.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thinker1
        Thanks for sharing this video. It's all about taking action and making your goal a reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author minefinder
    BEST VIDEO in WARRIOR FORUM~!!!
    I was selling physical products (not info products) and made ok money.

    And I was detracted with all these internet information marketing by gurus and found myself I was making less money by focusing on too many offers.

    Now I am back to basic. I focus on my strength which was selling physical products online and now I am making 20k a month.

    Making money is simple process... like this guy say, you need to sell products.

    When I tried to become someone else, When I pretend I can be like Guru... I just found myself. I made LESS. Be yourself. Find your strength, Focus on your strength, MAKE MONEY!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    Having watched some of his videos ... he's quiet clever and interesting but doesnt reveal anything new or groundbreaking.

    Its just repackaged stuff but hey, kudos to him

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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    This is true Ronakshah,

    I have high respect for Mario Brown having bought one of his WSOs before. He really does provide value to his buyers.

    Newbies may be hating us for saying the word 'implement', 'implement' and (I will say it again) 'implement!'

    There is simply no other way to do things than to start implementing and start testing. If it fails, do not give up. Find out what went wrong and test again. That is how one succeed at Internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Roger

    I wasn't actually dissagreeing with anything you said... just added some clarifications

    For those that would take things too literally

    Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author SolNet
    Focusing on ONE thing to make progress in Internet Marketing is definately the way to go. It took me years to really make money online and this was only done when I focused.

    But what I would say is that it is NOT wrong to buy lots of information and the latest products and memberships. All successful marketers have done this. It's how you learn. You learn what makes a good product, you learn what makes a crap product! We do it to learn, we do it for research.

    There will always be those that just buy, buy, buy! But most budding marketers are trying to find what works, what will fit in with their way of doing things.

    If you feel yourself thinking about buying the latest "magic pill". Ask yourself this question ... Why am I really interested in this product? Will it really help me with my current plan? Is it something that is going to increase my overall online marketing education?

    ... Or am I buying it because it promises to deliver me into the Internet Marketing Dream Life?

    Think honestly about it. Forget promises. Is it really what you need?
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    posted by ronakshah...If you're highly successful in IM, I think this is not for you. It's for newbies, not people like you. If you're not able to interpret clearly, please avoid spoiling my thread with your counter arguments.
    Hi ronakshah,

    You make some valid points in your OP, but why is your thread spoiled just because someone has an alternative view? Sometimes it's good to have a healthy debate!
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  • Profile picture of the author VilPietersen@
    ooooooH Mario! Someone's a little passionate today, I'm a go and unsubscribe from your list right now!!

    Joke! Love you man Nive Vid ronakshah
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Isn't that Yellowboy from the WF?

    Paralysis by analysis, procrastination, and self-doubt are major obstacles for many people. If he helped some people get off their arse and focus on selling instead of over-thinking, then mission accomplished and good for him.

    He did drill that point home for like 8 minutes straight though LOL.

    I guess, just like anything else, it's not ideal for those who already know and practice it. It would be like someone doing a video hammering home the message to "build a list." It would help many people, but the experienced guys would be wasting their time listening to it. No different than 90% of the posts in this forum actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    You're right Steven...being all positive does help but does nothing to put $$$$ in your bank account!

    These inspiration videos can waste a newbies time and keep them dreaming about success longer than they should, when they're better off knuckling down and getting to work.

    Newbies need an action plan and to follow it right through.

    Still....I liked the video.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Personally I liked the rah, rah, hoop-de-dah. Not every message has to have a 50 point step-by-step plan to be effective. I have no problems selling product online, but this video is a good reminder even to me that the internet, and IM in general can be a huge distraction.

    Not all of us have a well focused mind. Otherwise we'd all be like Steven and be able to do ventriloquism with one hand, guitar with the other hand, and still manage to kick Chuck Norris' arse. So it makes us happy to get a good kick in the pants that a video like this provides. It may not be full of a lot of information, but it's passionate, and it's just what us unfocused minds need.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vijay M
    The video apparently had an audience, and I think it served them quite well.

    Different people "get it" in different ways.

    For me personally, I had the "aha" moment when i chanced upon a line by Jason Moffat , asking, how many paypal buttons do you use?..or something to that effect. Immediately after reading that, I went and created a dozen paypal buttons..some even asking for donations to keep the page going.

    I had heard about take action ..take action..take action before, but that one line propelled me towards actually taking action.

    Different strokes for different folks.

    Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anon7
    ronakshah, Excellent points. If more people would watch your video and take it to heart, the overall IM success rate would increase dramatically. I feel that this is the number one problem that marketers face.

    For those who have themselves stuck in that info overload holding pattern, this video should be required viewing.

    Once you break out, learn to focus on building your own business, making money and you really "get it"... the facebook, twitter stuff can then be turned around to your advantage instead of being a distraction.

    -Jack
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

      Often you just seem to be hopelessly out of your depth?

      Example...

      Your website: WebCopywritersBlog.com
      Wow. So this is a rip Ronakshah thread now eh? Him. his website, his change in plans etc. Hmmm. I dont agree with everything he said either but I understood it within the context of the video. You would think He and Mario killed someone's dog or something.

      Ease up people. If someone is on a bunch of lists and has bought a bunch of products then of course they need to go ahead and take action on some of them. They've been in think mode long enough. Time to go out and test some of them. Thats the whole context. Its how I make money. Its how you make money.

      Obvious? sure. But i've been around long enough to see almost everyone in this thread make obvious statements REPEATEDLY And get thanked for it too by some of the same complainers. Whats the fuss about?

      If you choose to post 'em on a public discussion forum, well -- surprise, surprise -- you're going to get discussion
      Doesn't mean that the discussion can't adhere to some common sense though. If a majority of people say it has helped them and a few say it hasn't in what logical world is the post and the video a failure?
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      Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

      Ronakshah...

      If implementation is the key to online success, (without thinking, just doing it) - would you mind if I ask you a few questions?...

      What happened to your recent plan to become the Warrior Forum's foremost opt-in page (specialist) copywriter? (The 'go to guy' for opt-in page copywriting as you yourself put it in not so many words.)

      Re: http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...xQkrIrTDcTFrJh

      Only I've noticed that your signature has recently changed again and now rather than going that route, you are now offering article writing instead? Which seems to me to be a bit of a side step, step down from the direction you were previously taking?

      I get the impression that a lot of the time you are completely lost with all of this Internet marketing?

      You want to be perceived to be a top marketer however your own words let you down very often.

      People pick you up on points you yourself raise and you batter them down, telling not to be overly argumentative or to counter balance your own perceived 'esteemed' points of view.

      Why do you do that?

      Why do you welcome the opinion of some so-called respected marketers but throw back in their faces the advice and counter debate of other very experienced online marketers?

      I'm not posting this to argue with you, i'm just interested in your thought processes as you hop, skip and jump from one thing to another almost every week.

      Often you just seem to be hopelessly out of your depth?

      Example...

      Your website: WebCopywritersBlog.com

      Best,


      Mark...
      Mark Andrews just blew up this thread once again by spewing poison over this thread.

      He does it every time.

      Every damn time.

      I am pissed off with this MARK ANDREWS.

      I know many people who get pissed off with Mark Andrews.

      Was his post necessary on this thread?

      He asked me personal questions about my business? Don't you think he is questioning my credibility and INTEGRITY on a warrior forum thread? Don't you guys think he has insulted me by putting up words like:

      Often you just seem to be hopelessly out of your depth?

      Example...

      Your website: WebCopywritersBlog.com
      Do you guys know that Mark Andrews often insults members of the warrior forum on a regular basis? That he takes a thread off the main topic every now and then. I have got complaints about him in the past via PM.

      Does he even have the right to ask me about my private business decisions on THIS thread?

      Don't you guys think he tried to rip me apart and insult me by posting some personal questions and telling me how hopeless I am?

      Especially when I am doing all fine and good for the forum, I feel Mark's post was not required.

      ExRat did not even watch the video and he posted his thoughts.

      Steven could not digest the video and started complaining that it was NOT planned and a failure when we loved it. It's an amazing from the heart video by Mario Brown.

      Mark Andrews has a personal grudge with me. That's why he posted his thoughts on this thread. He can't see me getting thanked by fellow warriors. I am not happy with this Mark Andrews IMCopywriting.

      He acts like he knows-it-all. What can be done to get this guy on track?
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

        Steven could not digest the video and started complaining that it was NOT planned and a failure when we loved it. It's an amazing from the heart video by Mario Brown.
        Okay, NOW I've had it and I'm done being nice.

        You keep saying that I didn't get the video.

        Believe me, I got it...every last monotonous word of it.

        I applaud Mario's enthusiasm and heart. But this video is just more Kool-Aid
        that, ultimately, isn't going to make a damn bit of difference in any
        person's life.

        How many people who watched this video do you honestly think are
        going to suddenly turn their life around and develop a business that, at
        the very least, is profitable?

        I'd be shocked if it was 1 out of 100.

        These videos are ALL over the place...and a lot better ones than this.

        The MLM field is littered with failure upon failure of multitudes of
        individuals who have seen more rah, rah, rah, than Imelda Marcos has
        shoes.

        None of it has made the difference in anybody's life.

        Not even mine.

        Cause you see, I first started offline in MLM and went to all the
        inspirational get togethers and watched all the videos and saw all the
        presentations with the cheering and the pep talks.

        It turned me into a total failure.

        I didn't start having success, online, until I got my head together and
        did things that were grounded in reality, common sense and hard work.

        I didn't need anybody to give me a pep talk.

        What I needed was a f*cking plan.

        Let me give you an example that has nothing to do with Internet
        marketing and maybe you'll see why I think these videos are so damn
        worthless.

        I am a songwriter. I've been writing songs for over 25 years. I have learned
        my craft in college and then in independent study and workshops. I got
        the best education I could.

        But nobody had to tell me that the ONLY way I was going to get my songs
        noticed was by getting them recorded and sending them to publishers
        and record labels.

        Duh!

        If I have to tell a fellow songwriter who's studying books, watching
        instructional videos on YouTube and God knows what else that he has to
        actually write a f*cking song and send it to a publisher or record label
        to get noticed, then he has some serious problems and should probably
        head to the local Burger King and get a job saying "Would you like fries
        with that burger?"

        There's an old saying.

        "Please spare me the painfully obvious. The simple obvious will do."

        This video was nothing more than the painfully obvious to all but those
        who have hat racks for brains.

        If you don't already know what the OP had to say, then you have more
        serious problems than just taking action.

        I can't make it any clearer than that.

        So please don't assume what you think I got or didn't get out of this video.

        I make videos like this for lunch.

        At least THEY have something in them that might actually make a real
        difference to somebody and not just some rah, rah, rah, kool-aid on a
        stick.

        And if you'd like to take some more shots at me, bring it on.

        I'm already no longer in the mood to do any meaningful work today.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          o make a damn bit of difference in any
          person's life.

          How many people who watched this video do you honestly think are
          going to suddenly turn their life around and develop a business that, at
          the very least, is profitable?

          I'd be shocked if it was 1 out of 100.
          LOL. How many posts or videos do you actually believe changes people's lives? Thats quite a criteria which incidentally neither your nor I nor any of the posts that you support and don't bash (that say equally as obvious things) can claim. NO? Prove it. beyond your own anecdotal evidence.

          Have fun playing Ostrich Steve. Countless people in this thread and others have indicated the post and the video were useful to them. Thats all thats needed for it to be useful. There isn't isn't a week on warrior forums where people don't come on here confessing to have spent too much money buying stuff. A simple free video telling them they need to stop is a failure only in Bizarro world.

          Nothing you say or do changes that. I think I'll apply the lesson to forum posting and go get some more work done. Oh Oh.

          That means your one in 100 argument just went down the drain.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
        Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

        Mark Andrews just blew up this thread once again by spewing poison over this thread.
        There was no "poison" in Mark's reply.

        Don't you think he is questioning my credibility...
        Yes.

        and INTEGRITY
        No.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
          Originally Posted by Kelly Verge View Post

          There was no "poison" in Mark's reply.



          Yes.



          No.
          Kelly, Mark Andrews has no right to question my credibility on THIS thread. He got personal and that was a BIG insult.

          What to accept and what not to accept is my personal decision. No one can force me to accept their viewpoint.

          I am logging in a complaint with the MODS and other people on the forum.

          Did it add value to this thread? NO. That was poison. It was a useless post which took the thread off-track.

          He destroys threads every time. Every damn time. No exceptions.

          If he has a problem, he better take it via email. No bitching allowed on this thread.
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            • Profile picture of the author missm2m
              steven...steven...steven.

              be nice. watch the video, it'll refresh you. lol

              p.s. if you, like you say, did all that rah rah inspirational videos "all that" stuff long ago and it turned you into a total failure......and you weren't successful till you published your songs......

              well...... point: you did it all first.

              you did it all.......first.

              so somewhere, it didn't turn you into a total failure (obviously, seeing your work success today, i said work success).....

              but rather, it was all part of the process you went through to get to where you are today.

              part of the process........ let the process work for everyone else who wants it too.

              (i mean in your own mind, i.e.)

              because there's always a process.... for everyone.

              it's ok. it really is ok......................

              so calm the profanity down??...... we're all on this walk together.... !

              well. not suggesting you stop your profanity, just expressing another perspective.
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            • Profile picture of the author Juris
              MarkAndrews thank you for your posts. Especially #71 post.
              I got a little bit out of it for myself =] And it's all good.

              I MAYBE know why ronakshan can't take anyones advice. It's like marriage consultant or marketing consultant... you can't really work ON your relationship if you are IN the relationship hence you can't really take anything out of advice while you are in an argument or at least think you are in one. And never are you going to take advice while you are pissed at someone, because then you don't see anything clearly.

              I wrote a pm to ronakshah because he was offering his advice/help on focus/mindset, but now I really don't see it as a good idea anymore.

              I'm in the process of getting my mind right and I must say that learning from MY own mistakes is hard and I'm not even talking about learning from other people mistakes, but I'm on my way - at least that's what I think...

              And yeah I almost forgot, Ron those posts added VALUE for ME. So here you are - YES IT ADDED VALUE!
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              • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
                Originally Posted by Juris View Post

                MarkAndrews thank you for your posts. Especially #71 post.
                I got a little bit out of it for myself =] And it's all good.

                I MAYBE know why ronakshan can't take anyones advice. It's like marriage consultant or marketing consultant... you can't really work ON your relationship if you are IN the relationship hence you can't really take anything out of advice while you are in an argument or at least think you are in one. And never are you going to take advice while you are pissed at someone, because then you don't see anything clearly.

                I wrote a pm to ronakshah because he was offering his advice/help on focus/mindset, but now I really don't see it as a good idea anymore.

                I'm in the process of getting my mind right and I must say that learning from MY own mistakes is hard and I'm not even talking about learning from other people mistakes, but I'm on my way - at least that's what I think...

                And yeah I almost forgot, Ron those posts added VALUE for ME. So here you are - YES IT ADDED VALUE!
                Juris & James,

                Let me ask you guys one question:

                Did I do anything wrong by posting that video?

                Let me ask you ask you another question:

                Was the video not helpful to you? If yes, then what is the fuss all about?

                Mark Andrews deliberately posted on this thread to disturb people and let this thread catch fire. He has done this en-number of time before.

                If he has a personal issue with me, he could have taken it off this thread. NO, but he did not do it. He knows it exactly why he didn't take a personal issue off the thread. Because I ignore him and his posts largely. He knows why I ignore him. He has a history of abusing and insulting people. Can you please check his infractions?

                If he has a personal issue, he MUST take it off a warrior forum thread. But he manipulated everyone on this thread and is always ready to fight. He knows he has lost his importance in front of not just me but many people on WF since more than a year now.

                Why does someone like Mark Andrews has to post derogatory off-topic comments and derail the thread? He wants people to not listen to me because I don't listen to what he says.


                He keeps coming here because he wants to make my life miserable. He wants to just do that because I ignore him and don't listen to anything he says since more than a year now.

                I can take solace in the fact that I am NOT his only victim. Check his history.

                He keeps arguing and destroying threads. Mark Andrews just wanted to lower my credibility in front of people here even when I am doing all good. Once a thread spoiler, always a thread spoiler. Have you even checked his threads? Have you NOT seen him fighting in the WF?

                If he is so professional, why does he have to respond to this thread and make this thread catch fire? why does he have to ask me private questions about my business? Does he have the right to do that?

                If anyone has personal issues, they must take it off the warrior forum.

                Was it a crime to post the video and my tips in the OP?

                AND

                I have faced my own problems like information overload to which I found an amazing solution here. I have been learning quite a lot lately from some of the IM gurus which has changed my perspective almost radically.

                What's the harm if I help a few people by sharing what I'm currently learning?

                Did I post something wrong here? I am unable to get it anyway.

                Did I sound like a guru to any of you? Did I mean to sound like a guru? Not at all. I knew something good. I shared it. Mark Andrews did not like it that I was growing and sharing stuff I "just" learn't.

                If I am doing all good, helping other people who've similar problems like me and increasing my credibility in front of people, what's the harm? What is SO WRONG?

                I was overjoyed after seeing Mario's video. Hence I posted it. Why does he need to question my credibility? (because... he has a personal issue with me that I ignore him because he has been abusive to me en-number of times - get that clear).

                Any off-topic comments on a valuable thread destroys a thread. Everyone knows that. If he comes here again and posts here, I think he will prove "he likes to argue so much incessantly".
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                • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
                  Here's the thing. It isn't about right or wrong in your post.

                  Personal beefs do not belong here, plain and simple.

                  James


                  Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

                  Juris & James,

                  Let me ask you guys one question:

                  Did I do anything wrong by posting that video?

                  Let me ask you ask you another question:

                  Was the video not helpful to you? If yes, then what is the fuss all about?

                  Mark Andrews deliberately posted on this thread to disturb people and let this thread catch fire. He has done this en-number of time before.

                  If he has a personal issue with me, he could have taken it off this thread. NO, but he did not do it. He knows it exactly why he didn't take a personal issue off the thread. Because I ignore him and his posts largely. He knows why I ignore him. He has a history of abusing and insulting people. Can you please check his infractions?

                  If he has a personal issue, he MUST take it off a warrior forum thread. But he manipulated everyone on this thread and is always ready to fight. He knows he has lost his importance in front of not just me but many people on WF since more than a year now.

                  Why does someone like Mark Andrews has to post derogatory off-topic comments and derail the thread? He wants people to not listen to me because I don't listen to what he says.


                  He keeps coming here because he wants to make my life miserable. He wants to just do that because I ignore him and don't listen to anything he says since more than a year now.

                  I can take solace in the fact that I am NOT his only victim. Check his history.

                  He keeps arguing and destroying threads. Mark Andrews just wanted to lower my credibility in front of people here even when I am doing all good. Once a thread spoiler, always a thread spoiler. Have you even checked his threads? Have you NOT seen him fighting in the WF?

                  If he is so professional, why does he have to respond to this thread and make this thread catch fire? why does he have to ask me private questions about my business? Does he have the right to do that?

                  If anyone has personal issues, they must take it off the warrior forum.

                  Was it a crime to post the video and my tips in the OP?

                  AND

                  I have faced my own problems like information overload to which I found an amazing solution here. I have been learning quite a lot lately from some of the IM gurus which has changed my perspective almost radically.

                  What's the harm if I help a few people by sharing what I'm currently learning?

                  Did I post something wrong here? I am unable to get it anyway.

                  Did I sound like a guru to any of you? Did I mean to sound like a guru? Not at all. I knew something good. I shared it. Mark Andrews did not like it that I was growing and sharing stuff I "just" learn't.

                  If I am doing all good, helping other people who've similar problems like me and increasing my credibility in front of people, what's the harm? What is SO WRONG?

                  I was overjoyed after seeing Mario's video. Hence I posted it. Why does he need to question my credibility? (because... he has a personal issue with me that I ignore him because he has been abusive to me en-number of times - get that clear).

                  Any off-topic comments on a valuable thread destroys a thread. Everyone knows that. If he comes here again and posts here, I think he will prove "he likes to argue so much incessantly".
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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
            Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

            No bitching allowed on this thread.
            Or discussion it seems.

            Ronakshah,

            You talk about implementing ideas to see which ones work, so what's your problem with people putting ideas forward in this thread to test them against your ideas?

            Mark, ExRat and Steven have all been through 'baptisms of fire' on this forum where they came in for a hell of a lot worse treatment than you're (deservedly) getting here. Your petulant behaviour in this thread is doing you a big disservice.


            You said this


            Do you even know why 90% of marketers who start marketing online don't make enough money like you do?

            No, because I don't have the time to interview 30 million people. But, my guess is there are two main causes

            1. Acting on the advice of people who have no idea what they are talking about.

            2. Not being able to overcome moral objections to the 'strategies' recommended by many 'experts'.

            Because of number 1, people fail and blame themselves.

            Because of number 2, people feel there is something wrong with them, when in fact, they are just decent human beings unable to do something distasteful.


            Martin
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

              Or discussion it seems.

              Ronakshah,

              You talk about implementing ideas to see which ones work, so what's your problem with people putting ideas forward in this thread to test them against your ideas?

              Mark, ExRat and Steven have all been through 'baptisms of fire' on this forum where they came in for a hell of a lot worse treatment than you're (deservedly) getting here. Your petulant behaviour in this thread is doing you a big disservice.


              You said this





              No, because I don't have the time to interview 30 million people. But, my guess is there are two main causes

              1. Acting on the advice of people who have no idea what they are talking about.

              2. Not being able to overcome moral objections to the 'strategies' recommended by many 'experts'.

              Because of number 1, people fail and blame themselves.

              Because of number 2, people feel there is something wrong with them, when in fact, they are just decent human beings unable to do something distasteful.


              Martin

              Martin, the problem with this whole thread, and it was something I had
              to learn as well through plenty of heat coming my way, is that when a
              person has their mind made up about something, there is no way they can
              possibly entertain a dissenting opinion. It's like questioning their religion.

              Believe me, I know...I used to be on the other end.

              Which is why I don't start threads like this any longer. What I think really
              doesn't matter and trying to shove my beliefs down somebody's throat
              is never going to go over well.

              If somebody starts a thread asking for help, I'll give my opinion but state
              with a disclaimer that this is only my opinion and that they should test
              for themselves to see if it works for them.

              As for this video, sorry, but I can't drink the Kool-Aid anymore. I have
              seldom seen it lead to any good. I'm a pragmatist. I believe in concrete
              knowledge as being the only way to have a sustainable business.

              Yes, you have to do something. If you don't know that already then I
              have to question your sense of reality. Who in their right mind really
              believes that anything is going to happen just from reading books, watching
              videos and going to seminars.

              Some of the most educated people in the world are total failures because
              they don't, won't, or can't do anything.

              A video of somebody telling them to get off their ass and get to work is
              unlikely to have any impact.

              But a video with some concrete substance and verifiable results, just
              might give them the inspiration to get off their ass and do something.

              And even then...who knows?

              Some people just don't want to work, which is why (and this has brought
              up another topic that people argue with me about) some people are just
              NOT going to succeed because they don't have what it takes.

              But then you have the Kool-Aid drinkers who don't want to hear that and
              tell me I'm being a buzz kill.

              Whatever.

              I can't worry about it. If somebody actually got something out of that
              video and this thread, then power to them.

              Me? All I got was a little older.
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              • Profile picture of the author missm2m
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Martin, the problem with this whole thread, and it was something I had
                to learn as well through plenty of heat coming my way, is that when a
                person has their mind made up about something, there is no way they can
                possibly entertain a dissenting opinion. It's like questioning their religion.

                Believe me, I know...I used to be on the other end.

                Which is why I don't start threads like this any longer. What I think really
                doesn't matter and trying to shove my beliefs down somebody's throat
                is never going to go over well.

                If somebody starts a thread asking for help, I'll give my opinion but state
                with a disclaimer that this is only my opinion and that they should test
                for themselves to see if it works for them.

                As for this video, sorry, but I can't drink the Kool-Aid anymore. I have
                seldom seen it lead to any good. I'm a pragmatist. I believe in concrete
                knowledge as being the only way to have a sustainable business.

                Yes, you have to do something. If you don't know that already then I
                have to question your sense of reality. Who in their right mind really
                believes that anything is going to happen just from reading books, watching
                videos and going to seminars.

                Some of the most educated people in the world are total failures because
                they don't, won't, or can't do anything.

                A video of somebody telling them to get off their ass and get to work is
                unlikely to have any impact.

                But a video with some concrete substance and verifiable results, just
                might give them the inspiration to get off their ass and do something.

                And even then...who knows?

                Some people just don't want to work, which is why (and this has brought
                up another topic that people argue with me about) some people are just
                NOT going to succeed because they don't have what it takes.

                But then you have the Kool-Aid drinkers who don't want to hear that and
                tell me I'm being a buzz kill.

                Whatever.

                I can't worry about it. If somebody actually got something out of that
                video and this thread, then power to them.

                Me? All I got was a little older.
                Steven,

                In all seriousness then, I really don't understand why you would even be posting, repeatedly at that, on this thread.

                I really don't. And I'm adding my two cents again, because I believe I have something to say.

                I like to look at somebody with your kind of apparent status (because I really don't know you, but I can only see the numbers next to your name) and I haven't looked at your websites, and..... wait to hear something concrete (which you refer to) from you.

                Actually, I see posts from you that are highly charged, emotionally speckled with profanity, and pretty overall generalized and negative.

                If you watched the video....why?? Why, especially after what you just posted the last time.

                I really don't understand. Except..... maybe because you really are just like the rest of us...

                Have a really good day Steven. I mean that.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

            .

            Did it add value to this thread? NO. That was poison. It was a useless post which took the thread off-track.
            Calm down Ron. You need to understand how these things work and let it flow off your back. Lots of people don't give a hoot about being civil or fair once they see a particular name, that they secretly believe can advance their business, who they have agreements and JVs with or who has backed them up on some other point. Don't bother with appeals to fairness. Some could care less.

            Save your time. Steve suggested his videos so I've Pmed you a few if you don't mind (please don't post them here but I am sure they will relax you and calm the tensions).
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Just a quick point...

    If you don't want to hear "counter arguments" or debates or discussion, then post these types of things on a website or on a blog with the comments off. If you choose to post 'em on a public discussion forum, well -- surprise, surprise -- you're going to get discussion.

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    Great video. WAKE UP!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author mhobbs25
    Great video.

    I always teach my team this.

    Learning = Lost Money (yes you need to learn but it does take money from you)
    Implementing = Make Money (implement what you learn or you will always lose money)

    Funny thing is most people stay in the learning phase. hmmm Maybe that's why over 90% fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Would someone please show me the actual case study that points to a concrete 90..95...97% failure rate online .


      Originally Posted by mhobbs25 View Post

      Great video.

      I always teach my team this.

      Learning = Lost Money (yes you need to learn but it does take money from you)
      Implementing = Make Money (implement what you learn or you will always lose money)

      Funny thing is most people stay in the learning phase. hmmm Maybe that's why over 90% fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Mark Andrews, this is not your own personal thread.

    Stop posting your personal views about me and personal questions about me on this thread.

    This is NOT a one-on-one thread. STOP trying to change me.

    I won't hear everyone's advice. If I did that all my life, I wont be able to take my own decisions and also act on them. I am NOT obligated to follow through on what every person says in this forum, okay? Got it?

    Just because people advise does not mean I must always follow-through.

    You can't just listen to every tom-dick-harry else you will go mad.

    I made some changes to my plans which I am not willing to reveal.

    Your posts only shows the level of grudge you hold against me for not listening to what you've to say.

    I would, from now on, ignore your posts. Keep ranting, as USUAL.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        Okay, whatever.

        You'll get no more help from me, it's obvious you're a few specks of sawdust short of a plank of wood. :rolleyes:

        Enjoy your life.

        Best regards,


        Mark...
        I never asked for it from you. Did I?

        This thread is about productivity and you took the train off-the-rails completely.

        If you have an issue you must email me and not on a WF thread. That is common sense.

        There's a saying "common sense is uncommon". No wonder.

        You're human. I admit. FOREVER, please let me live with PEACE.
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      • Profile picture of the author missm2m
        ExRat.

        i believe you. and yes, you do have your 'style'. and i'm always one to pick up on that stuff. for sure.

        gee, i wonder why...... i maybe have one myself???

        p.s. i'm sure you do have your sites too... me too. (i guess you can call them that)....if i can just figure out how to get the signature link to work i'd be all set. see? i do need all the help i can get. oh... missm2m... missm2m... missm2m.....
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Mark 2 years ago i stopped posting in forums especially this one because i got embroiled in threads like this one, it made me look bad...

    Now 2 years later at the first sign of this kind of argument going on in a thread i contributed too, i leave the thread and never return to it.

    let them have the last word, it cant hurt you it can only hurt them

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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Now lets keep it light guys PLEASE.

    Lets get it right.

    PLEASE have some fun.

    Ronak.
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  • Profile picture of the author bydomino
    Hey Guys,

    IMO this video was too long, as is this thread. But the core part of it has one very great message. The same message most all personal productivity classed try to drill home:

    You can only do one thing at a time if you want it done right.

    So if you are selling product then just do that kill your distractions
    If you are learning then do that

    Just focus and you will be more productive. Usually more productive mean more money.

    Quick Tip - if you are having any issues focusing then just write down everything in your head. Then you should be at peace and can focus on the task at hand.
    All that stuff that was in your head will be there when you get done.


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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Jiminy Crickets people! It was an inspirational video! If you didn't like it Move the Fu@k on already! Just by the mere fact that this thread has been here most of the day proves that most in here could have used the advice given on the video. You've wasted the whole day arguing over a video that repeats for 8 minutes to "not" waste your day on such activities! Oh the irony.

    I'm going to say that this video has helped me out quite a bit. I did put effort into ignoring things that usually distract me. And because of it I did get probably a good 2 hours of extra work done. And for me 2 hours = a lot of money. So just because it's not about to help you, don't even begin to judge the video for everyone else. It'll only make you look like a fool.
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  • Profile picture of the author a2blifestyle
    a great video to keep you on track! thanks for sharing this, often I find myself getting distracted by the small things - instead of focusing on the real point. good stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
    @ronakshah and @mark

    Take it outside and leave it out of this thread.

    You guys are insulting each other, and if I remember correctly one of the main rules of the forum is:
    If you have a problem with another warrior deal with it privately and not on the forum.

    There have been some great responses and criticisms of this video (which I enjoyed for what it was, not expecting much, but getting more than I expected), however the rest of the thread is filled with a bunch of fighting between members, and people calling out other people.

    Just tired of seeing the same players, in the same crap, getting at each other with the same fights, day in day out.

    The video had passion, was good for people who have 100 ebooks, 40 5 minute strategies for online success, and 0 results. It lacked some details in the concepts, but it is enough to get some people started. His passion was evident, which is more than I can say for most IM videos I see.

    Personally, not my cup of tea, but I see what some people would get out of it.

    Just like a movie that is out right now Kick-Ass, some people get entertainment value out of it, some people are offended by it. Doesn't mean the director did something wrong in creating it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Ski
    Good advice... I like how frank kern put it... Find one thing thats making you the most money in your business, and then just do more of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Juris
    ronakshah if you would not care at all about his posts you would not spend so much time and energy writing all the stuff you write about him... I really don't care about your "relationship" and I don't think others care. So why do you YOURSELF keep bringing the thread off-topic? I'm off.. no point staying here anyways... good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
      Originally Posted by Juris View Post

      ronakshah if you would not care at all about his posts you would not spend so much time and energy writing all the stuff you write about him... I really don't care about your "relationship" and I don't think others care. So why do you YOURSELF keep bringing the thread off-topic? I'm off.. no point staying here anyways... good luck
      Because that guy manipulated you into believing something which isn't the truth.

      He created something that was not called for.

      He took revenge because I don't listen to him. He likes to destroy threads.

      He has more enemies than friends in the warrior forum. That's the truth.

      I have every right to make myself clear.

      Juris, Your comments about me were off-topic as well. But you did not notice that. Did you?

      I disliked your personal comments about me on this thread. Did you do the right thing?

      So it's nice you're going to keep off from this thread. Thanks a lot. LOL

      Lets keep this light.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
        Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

        I disliked your personal comments about me on this thread. Did you do the right thing?

        So it's nice you're going to keep off from this thread. Thanks a lot. LOL
        You keep this attitude?

        This is not YOUR thread. This is "a" Warrior Forum thread.

        You keep on starting fights with anyone who does not post what you like?

        Grow up.

        Lets keep this light.
        We try, but you simply can't keep up that pace.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          I'm just another member here, but this is my 2 cents on where this thread
          went down the tubes. I'm going to be as objective as I can.

          1. The OP apparently wanted to hear no dissenting opinions. This video was
          posted with the intent of getting nothing but praise. Anybody who had
          anything negative to say was going to get torn a new one.

          2. Things were going well until I made the first negative comments. In that
          respect, I feel almost responsible for this mess. For that I apologize, though
          I in now go back on what I said. I meant every word. Just wish I had kept
          my mouth shut.

          3. Ronakshah took some pot shots at me which were uncalled for including
          laughing at my comments and telling me I didn't "get" the video, like I was
          some kind of an idiot. I didn't appreciate this, as others didn't as well.

          4. When others began to point out the negatives, Ronakshah got even
          more defensive. That's when Mark came in and made it personal. While
          he probably shouldn't have done that, I can understand where it came
          from. The OP was bossing people around, making them feel stupid and
          ordering people to stop ruining her thread...as if she owned it.

          From there is just spiraled out of control with Mark getting banned.

          I personally have learned something from this thread. I am never
          criticizing anyone at this forum ever again, because apparently that can
          lead to a sudden vacation from it.

          I think it's sad that we have to watch every word we say because some
          people are so sensitive to criticism. But this thread has been a real wake
          up call for me. It's just not worth it.

          Hopefully, there will be other members here with more guts than me who
          won't be afraid to tell people what they need to hear.

          Ronakshah, my apologies to you if I offended you in any way. I don't
          think I said anything to you personally other than I just didn't like the
          video, though I do realize Mario's heart is in the right place. I just didn't
          think it was that well done, it stated an obvious message and I don't
          think that message in itself is going to make any real difference.

          I stand by those opinions. They are not personal against you or Mario.

          They are just how I feel about the video.

          Just wanted to clear the air on that.

          Now hopefully, this thread can get back to being civilized on both sides.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Come on guys, you except this sort of childish crap on DigitalPoint but not here!

    Steven please dont withhold your opinions, because thats whats so helpful about you! You dont follow the herd and in most cases the herd are a bunch of sheeps who dont have always have the best answers.

    I understand your frustration...Ive been through it to. It seems like you arent allowed to speak your mind if it doesnt fit in with what most people classify as the "right way".

    But in the end who gives a crap if people on a forum disagree with you. When you're 6 feet under will it matter?. Atleast you will know you lived your life the way you wanted and shared your true opinions.

    Just something to think about.
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    Getting back on the video - that little thing the thread was about. My take away is a bit different. I've sat and watched Frank Kern go on for 20 minutes about the money not being in the list but in the relationship in the list. I never once thought that real human beings were not at the end of my emails (certainly never thought that an email address ever bought a product) and that I didn't need to build a relationship with them. It was a duh moment to me and similar to what Steve said I doubt that that really changed anyone's life.

    But it was Frank Kern. This video wasn't or the thread would never have gone down hill

    To me Internet Marketing has become too much about personality and I see it everyday in threads like this. Frank Kern could come on and say nearly the same thing and go on for fifteen minutes saying it in his style and he would have a pile of thanks below his post right now.

    More pertinent to the point - its that same personality and popularity thing that suckers people into buying one product after another and not getting anything done. Every other month there is some guy(or gal) that has built up some mystique of being a wonder kid offering a new product and people just feel they have to have that new product or they will miss out.

    Thing is the product itself can end up having not much more meat than this thread and no one will want to see it for being an inferior product for that same popularity and personality reason. In fact they'll blame the person who doesn't see anything special in it.

    Bottom line. this video was useful to a lot of people and a lot more real than most IM videos. Its was drubbed mercilessly because the poster and the guy that made the Video isn't Frank Kern or another guru or forum member that is popular. Until people start focusing on techniques and actions rather than the marketing machine of popularity and personality Make Money Oline IM will continue to see astronomical fail rates and ripoffs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Getting back on the video - that little thing the thread was about. My take away is a bit different. I've sat and watched Frank Kern go on for 20 minutes about the money not being in the list but in the relationship in the list. I never once thought that real human beings were not at the end of my emails (certainly never thought that an email address ever bought a product) and that I didn't need to build a relationship with them. It was a duh moment to me and similar to what Steve said I doubt that that really changed anyone's life.

      But it was Frank Kern. This video wasn't or the thread would never have gone down hill

      To me Internet Marketing has become too much about personality and I see it everyday in threads like this. Frank Kern could come on and say nearly the same thing and go on for fifteen minutes saying it in his style and he would have a pile of thanks below his post right now.

      More pertinent to the point - its that same personality and popularity thing that suckers people into buying one product after another and not getting anything done. Every other month there is some guy(or gal) that has built up some mystique of being a wonder kid offering a new product and people just feel they have to have that new product or they will miss out.

      Thing is the product itself can end up having not much more meat than this thread and no one will want to see it for being an inferior product for that same popularity and personality reason. In fact they'll blame the person who doesn't see anything special in it.

      Bottom line. this video was useful to a lot of people and a lot more real than most IM videos. Its was drubbed mercilessly because the poster and the guy that made the Video isn't Frank Kern or another guru or forum member that is popular. Until people start focusing on techniques and actions rather than the marketing machine of popularity and personality Make Money Oline IM will continue to see astronomical fail rates and ripoffs.

      Mike, here is the difference between the video on this thread and what
      Frank Kern would have done.

      When Frank points out a duh type statement, he backs it up with some
      solid things on how to do that duh type statement and doesn't repeat
      the same thing over and over. He has a well thought out presentation
      and it's very well done.

      This video went on for 8 minute and said the same thing over and over
      and gave very little in the way of constructive means for solving this
      problem of not getting anything done.

      Had I done the same type of video with the same basic message, I would
      have included a whole section on day planning and organization. I would
      have turned it into a whole workshop.

      It isn't the message I had a problem with. It was how poorly it was
      presented and how little real advice it gave.

      And yes, I could do better...much better.

      That's the point.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Had I done the same type of video with the same basic message, I would
        have included a whole section on day planning and organization. I would
        have turned it into a whole workshop.
        It was a YOutube video Steve. A FREE YOUTUBE VIDEO not a product. Thats why I find your incessant blasting of it over the top. I am not asking what Kern would have done. I noted a particular video that he has done - not a hypothetical and it was as "duh" to me as you claim this is to you and yet I don't blast Kern for it. This was never about just a dissent. You pretty much torched the video and stated that anyone that found any use in it would have to be in essence stupid. or if you require a quote of yours

        "those who have hat racks for brains."

        Please. thats just disagreement? YOu take offense at the post but that stands as non offensive?


        And yes, I could do better...much better.
        Okay then Steve. I let that go the first few times but if you are going to continue to trash it on the basis of doing better then a fair thing to do would be to hold it against some of your YOutube videos and see if where you are coming from is a place of truth.

        YouTube - wagtunes's Channel

        YouTube - wagtunes's Channel

        Really now.

        Considering those two can't you see where you might be a litte too harsh and a tad bit hypocritical? Why hold a youtube video to such a high standard and not hold yours to the same? I couldn't find any videos of yours on Youtube that had a "workshop". Its a a youtube video Steve. thats all. Ease up. You use them to horse around with your selective friends and push some diceology ideas to others and he uses it to make an empassioned plea to people many of which have received it warmly. If you can go with diceology then we can like the video without having "hat racks for brains". Fair enough?

        Ease up. Live and let live. There is no point. If one of your friends or a Guru posted something similar it would have even got a thanks from you and we both know it. His style doesn't suit you thats fine. Move on. Theres more than enough people who found use for the video to rebut your constant claim its a failure.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
            Originally Posted by Robin Banks View Post

            :rolleyes: Why don't you apply this same logic to yourself, rather than playing devils advocate in this thread? :rolleyes:
            First look at your post count.

            Your post count is only 4 out of which 2 are from this thread.

            I have no doubt that Mark Andrews is using this account.

            Robin Banks with user post count 4 added me an infraction on one of my post of this thread when he has no relationship with me. I want to get the infraction reversed as Mark Andrews already gave me an infraction for the same post.

            How can Robin add an infraction to one of my post without having a personal issue with me?

            I seriously doubt the authenticity of user Robin Banks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by ronakshah View Post

      Many people asked me to avoid this forum because of the nature in which people fight here.
      Really?

      Two years as a WF member and some more time as a outsider and NEVER - EVER - I saw anything (beside THIS EXACT thread) that could be considered a "fight".

      Funny huh?

      I won't be back so soon here. That's for sure.
      All the best to you. Seriously.
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