Writing autoresponder messages ...

by Alexa Smith Banned
32 replies
It's a question for affiliate marketers, really.

What proportion of your working time, overall, do you spend on writing the autoresponder messages that go out to the people on your lists?

I'm now in 8 different, unrelated niches and have "lists" for 6 of them. I'm primarily an article marketer, and aiming - in each of my niches - at a particular section of the market. I like to make the style of the autoresponder messages kind of similar to the style of the articles/information that attracted those people on to my list in the first place, so that it's "appropriate to their taste and what they respond to", whenever I can.

Having allocated most of today to writing autoresponder messages, because some of mine are close to running out for the earliest people who joined a list, I was just thinking that this fairly time-consuming aspect of the business seems a bit under-represented in conversations here, and was wondering what proportion of people's time this takes up (I realise that some Warriors outsource this, but I'm asking those who don't, obviously).
#autoresponder #messages #writing
  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    I'm in three different niche marketers.

    For the ones that change quickly I tend to 'react' to the market and see what new products and launches are coming out. And I don't plan my emails as carefully as I should.

    Part of that is because I'm still trying to find a style that works best for me. Short and sharp or lead with a story and pre-sell better. I need bigger numbers to accurately determine what's best.

    Long story short ... I probably plan the next 4 weeks emails and put them together in 2-3 hours. Admit that some are better written than others. Some suck and some just sell in a couple of sentences.

    In a hobby niche I'm in ... that moves much slower and has less change and products to promote I'm going to dedicate a lot more time to pre-sell one single product daily for 7-10 days ... and then follow up with weekly emails for the next 51 weeks (and the occasional broadcast).

    That will probably take me half the working day for the pre-sell emails (that go straight to the sales page -- I think this is where the most money will be) and the other 51 will depend on what information I can find out there to put on the blog they'll be sent to. Hopefully only the other half of the day.

    Al (hoping someone else chimes in!)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034035].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author minefinder
    all depend on the product you are selling....
    if it's high priced and people make decision slowly... you need lots of them.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034080].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
      Banned
      Originally Posted by minefinder View Post

      all depend on the product you are selling....
      if it's high priced and people make decision slowly... you need lots of them.
      I agree - the higher the price is, the more potential objections you need to answer (just as high-priced products need a longer sales page). I email all my lists for ever, anyway (there's no point in stopping, if people don't unsubscribe and are opening them); my question relates to the proportion of one's working time this activity occupies ...
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034089].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Nick Godwin
    Alexa,

    I love autoresponders, it's like having hard working robots converting your leads into sales - even while you sleep.

    Fortunately for me, my primary opportunity provides autoresponders for newcomers getting started, so I don't spend too much time on them. That being said, I always include a couple of more personalised ones that I blast out to my lists about twice a week.

    One thing I would say, though, is rather than write an autoresponder like an article (which is usually quite general and impersonal), I always write them as though i'm writing a letter to just one person. Using this approach, I have found that it builds a much stronger relationship with my leads and establishes a feeling in their minds that they already "know" me because my personality is clear through the personal style of writing.

    This has really helped in increasing the conversion level of my leads into applicants and finally into sales.

    I hope this helps
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034090].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Alexa, it is a very time consuming process, which makes me glad I only have
      to do it once for each list.

      If you want a great book on writing autoresponders, pick up Raydal's (he's
      a member here and that's his forum name.) He has the whole thing down
      to a science. It also comes with some great software for generating these
      messages. It's all step by step and there are guides to help you along.

      I don't normally recommend stuff like this, but his product is really great.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034140].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Adam Sussman
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Alexa, it is a very time consuming process, which makes me glad I only have
        to do it once for each list.

        If you want a great book on writing autoresponders, pick up Raydal's (he's
        a member here and that's his forum name.) He has the whole thing down
        to a science. It also comes with some great software for generating these
        messages. It's all step by step and there are guides to help you along.

        I don't normally recommend stuff like this, but his product is really great.
        Alexa,

        What Steven said

        Raydals book and software are amazing. Add the fact that you already have writing skills, and this should make your life a lot easier.

        Adam
        Signature
        "He elicits the same kind of admiration one would feel for a streaker at Queen Victorias funeral."

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034660].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
          Banned
          Guys, many thanks for all the helpful and interesting comments above.

          I write autoresponder series for a living, both for myself and for my clients: all I'm asking/wondering is what proportion of affiliates' working time do Warriors spend on this task, since I don't recall the subject ever being discussed here before.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034675].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Guys, many thanks for all the helpful and interesting comments above.

            I write autoresponder series for a living, both for myself and for my clients: all I'm asking/wondering is what proportion of affiliates' working time do Warriors spend on this task, since I don't recall the subject ever being discussed here before.
            As far a time, each message I send is about the length of a good 500 to
            1000 word article, depending on the niche and the purpose of the message.

            That's about 15 minutes to a half hour per message.

            My AR series run from 7 messages to 62. I have no idea what the
            average is but it's closer to 7 than 62.

            In fact, my 4 longest series are:

            62
            53
            53
            29

            The rest are around 7 or 8 letters long.

            In other words, I spend a lot of time writing.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034747].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            all I'm asking/wondering is what proportion of affiliates' working time do Warriors spend on this task
            In general, writing AR messages for a given list takes an entire day. Roughly an hour for each message; like Steven, I usually write 7 messages for an AR.
            Signature
            "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2072469].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              In general, writing AR messages for a given list takes an entire day. Roughly an hour for each message; like Steven, I usually write 7 messages for an AR.
              ?....

              Wow.

              An entire day.

              Not something I would ever be happy doing. I've always been very happy with my returns, so time invested in worthwhile..... but working a full day on a list would kill by business, and my brain..lolz..
              Signature

              Bare Murkage.........

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2072623].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

                working a full day on a list would kill by business, and my brain..lolz..
                I don't do all of them at once. I usually start out with two or three before anyone signs up, and do the rest after I get some people signed onto the list; I probably do no more than one or two messages at a single sitting.
                Signature
                "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2072794].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    I spend approximately 6 hours initially to write and set up (Aweber) about 15 messages. Then I add to the follow-up series as something really interesting comes to my attention or I get a new testing result I want to pass along. And of course, every time I come out with a new info product or coaching program. I probably spend 3-4 hours per month total on a list after the initial 6 hours to set up the first 15 messages.

    John
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034784].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    @Steven - Thanks for the recommendation. I've been looking for a good resource on this as well.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034951].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Writing autoresponder messages can be very time-consuming if you
    want to do it right. There is sending "newsletter" articles AND sending
    messages in a "persuasive sequence" meant to sell.

    If you are just writing 'articles' then a 7 message series could take
    under two hours (3-500 words each), but if you are selling in those
    messages then without a 'template' or guide you can take up to
    4-6 hours (at least from my earlier experience).

    Now I can complete 7 letter series in under 90 minutes once I
    have the main sales letter already written.

    -Ray Edwards
    Signature
    The most powerful and concentrated copywriting training online today bar none! Autoresponder Writing Email SECRETS
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2034998].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Dayne Dylan
    Banned
    What format are you writing your autoresponder messages in, are you using plain type of copy, or a HTML newsletter style?

    And secondly, do you personalize your emails by including the persons first name?

    Seems all the big guys like Frank Kern and Reese still do it very simple text only, but don't do the personalization anymore.

    Just curious.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2035104].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by Dayne Dylan View Post

      What format are you writing your autoresponder messages in, are you using plain type of copy, or a HTML newsletter style?

      And secondly, do you personalize your emails by including the persons first name?

      Seems all the big guys like Frank Kern and Reese still do it very simple text only, but don't do the personalization anymore.

      Just curious.
      Hi Dayne,

      I don't know if your question was addressed to me or the OP, but I prefer
      text and still use personalization. You can't always follow what the
      "big guys" are doing because they don't need all their ducks lined up to
      make a killing. The 'small' marketer needs all the advantages possible.

      -Ray Edwards
      Signature
      The most powerful and concentrated copywriting training online today bar none! Autoresponder Writing Email SECRETS
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2035148].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mymt
    I found 180 pre-written auto responder messages promoting
    Click bank products might be you want to give a look at his site
    Click Bank Messages Set

    Hope this reduces some of the writing emails frustration
    Signature

    Magdi Mikhail

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2035137].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
    @Raydal - Good Post above!

    ----------------

    I appreciate we can't all be the same, however for me It doesn't take me long to write up my autoresponder followups.

    I tend to keep them fairly simple & not too long (use standard text), and talk to my list as individuals, not as If I'm speaking to everybody as a group.

    I'll usually spend a couple of hours, 1-2 nights a week writing up new
    followups to add to my autoresponder!
    Signature
    "I've Banked Over $350k Online With This..." - Click here to see my no.1 recommendation!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2067285].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by MarkSherris View Post

      @Raydal - Good Post above!

      ----------------

      I appreciate we can't all be the same, however for me It doesn't take me long to write up my autoresponder followups.

      I tend to keep them fairly simple & not too long (use standard text), and talk to my list as individuals, not as If I'm speaking to everybody as a group.

      I'll usually spend a couple of hours, 1-2 nights a week writing up new
      followups to add to my autoresponder!
      I think my definition of autoresponder series is sometimes different
      from the general definition. Some people call any series of messages
      loaded into an autoresponder an autoresponder series.

      For example, you may load a number of newsletter articles promoting
      different products, but that's not an AR series for me.

      For me, an autoresponder series is structured just as a sales letter
      would be from headline to P.S--but only in a series form.

      So each letter in the series has a definite purpose--from the first
      to the last. In this way it is not possible to add letters after
      you're finished. You may tweak the letters but you can't add.


      -Ray Edwards
      Signature
      The most powerful and concentrated copywriting training online today bar none! Autoresponder Writing Email SECRETS
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2067506].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        I think my definition of autoresponder series is sometimes different
        from the general definition. Some people call any series of messages
        loaded into an autoresponder an autoresponder series.

        For example, you may load a number of newsletter articles promoting
        different products, but that's not an AR series for me.

        For me, an autoresponder series is structured just as a sales letter
        would be from headline to P.S--but only in a series form.

        So each letter in the series has a definite purpose--from the first
        to the last. In this way it is not possible to add letters after
        you're finished. You may tweak the letters but you can't add.

        I see where you are coming from with the way you do it.

        Cheers
        Signature
        "I've Banked Over $350k Online With This..." - Click here to see my no.1 recommendation!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2067607].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MarkSherris
    Didn't realise that this post was from last week! sorry lol
    Signature
    "I've Banked Over $350k Online With This..." - Click here to see my no.1 recommendation!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2067296].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author David Raybould
    Hey Alexa

    Most of the a/r messages I write these
    days are for clients, but when I was
    purely an affiliate, I spent an inordinate
    amount of time writing them for myself.

    Days and weeks on a single project,
    constantly tweaking and trying to get
    them "right".

    Proportion-wise, I'd say probably 25-40%
    of each week was spent writing my own
    autoresponders.

    Now, I can see it was a waste of time...

    ... or, at the very least, horribly inefficient.

    Unless there's a big launch that's about to
    drop a traffic atom bomb on your lead
    capture page, good enough is good enough.

    If I ever went back to that biz model full-time,
    I'd outsource the a/r writing in a heartbeat,
    and then tweak them if they needed it.

    It would save a lot of time, and not impact
    the bottom line very much at all.

    Is that the kind of info you're looking for?

    -David Raybould
    Signature
    Killer Emails. Cash-spewing VSLs. Turbocharged Landing Pages.

    Whatever you need, my high converting copy puts more money in your pocket. PM for details. 10 years experience and 9 figure revenues.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2067446].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author adesbarats
    Hi Alexa,

    I can't respond to your specific question but I might be able to offer a little tid bit that might be helpful which I am eager to do as you have been so helpful to me! I read an article by Infusionsoft that noted the industry average is seven "touches" before the consumer decides to buy. I use 10 touches in my AR sequence can say that this 7 touch rule is pretty bang on for me.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2067793].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author fingers4hire
    If it's time you're trying to save, perhaps outsourcing the task might be an option. If you have some that you have already created the person can get a style of what you're looking for. This could allow you more time to do other things with your business.
    Signature

    Kimberly Best - Low Cost, High Quality Transcription Services
    Transcriptionist, http://www.Fingers4Hiretranscription.com/
    Freelance Writer, http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Kimberly_Best
    Social Site http://www.mysistagurl.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2067821].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Get straight to the point.

    I personally don't like having to email my list 5-7-10
    emails in a row, or even a sequence. Whenever I
    have somehting of value I feel will benefit my list, I
    share it via broadcast.

    I'm not making money writing emails, I make money
    getting them opened and read. Short is sweet, and
    it's almost always better. My approach has grown to
    be much different than normal, but it works for me.
    Signature
    **How I FLIPPED $80 into $690 Pure Profit With ONE EASY Method...2 to 3x Per Week...Only 30 Minutes Per Day (and how YOU can COPY my RESULTS, too!) **CLICK HERE FOR VERIFIED VIDEO PROOF**
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2068142].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    I have to say - kudos to you for NOT outsourcing this particular aspect of marketing, especially if any of the niches you deal with are ones you're particularly involved in yourself. I never really liked the idea of outsourcing autoresponder messages - it just feels impersonal, almost like outsourcing your forum posts >.<

    If I were you, I'd get a favorite drink (coffee, soda, whatever floats your boat - I think you know it should be nonalcoholic >), turn on some music and just get to work on it. You can probably knock out at least several autoresponder messages in one day if you set aside a few hours to do just that. Other than that, how long it takes is mostly irrelevant - these are your prospects, after all, you want to give them the best you've got no matter what it takes, right?

    I know that probably sounds like I'm evading the question, but in all honesty, so long as you have the time you can devote to it, you should be able to set up a decent series in not much time at all so long as you buckle down and concentrate.
    Signature

    In all that you do, know your True INTENT...

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2068565].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author mrfixituk
      Ray, I liked the information on the video and your sales letter, but why don't you have an autoresponder sign up form for this page?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2071601].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by mrfixituk View Post

        Ray, I liked the information on the video and your sales letter, but why don't you have an autoresponder sign up form for this page?
        That's the big hypocrisy of my sales letter that hit me a few days
        ago! Talk about being too close to the trees to see the forrest.

        I've criticized many a businesses for not taking their own advice
        and look at what I did myself. That's why we need a little humility
        as human beings when we are judging others.

        You are the first person who pointed that out to me and I'll send
        you a free copy just for that. PM me your email address and I'll
        send you the info.

        Thanks,

        Ray Edwards
        Signature
        The most powerful and concentrated copywriting training online today bar none! Autoresponder Writing Email SECRETS
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2072107].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author mrfixituk
          Hope my comments help!

          Sent an email to your autoresponder site email as I can't send a private message.

          Coming from leadersclub AT aol dot com

          Thanks!

          Jason
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2072397].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author orlando cassara
    I agree it depends on the price and the product that you are selling and that sometimes it takes longer for a person to buy a higher priced rather than a low priced product.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2072436].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

    It's a question for affiliate marketers, really.

    What proportion of your working time, overall, do you spend on writing the autoresponder messages that go out to the people on your lists?

    I'm now in 8 different, unrelated niches and have "lists" for 6 of them. I'm primarily an article marketer, and aiming - in each of my niches - at a particular section of the market. I like to make the style of the autoresponder messages kind of similar to the style of the articles/information that attracted those people on to my list in the first place, so that it's "appropriate to their taste and what they respond to", whenever I can.

    Having allocated most of today to writing autoresponder messages, because some of mine are close to running out for the earliest people who joined a list, I was just thinking that this fairly time-consuming aspect of the business seems a bit under-represented in conversations here, and was wondering what proportion of people's time this takes up (I realise that some Warriors outsource this, but I'm asking those who don't, obviously).
    2 hours a day, 3 days a week.

    I've got a fair amount of lists, and they need plenty of work. The maintenance is outsourced... but the content is work that I am not prepared to outsource.

    I prefer to write most of my own mailings...

    It's essential that each of my messages follow on from the previous one, writing style included, so I always write my own. Which is why there is so much of my working week devoted to it.

    The return on this investment of time is very good, in my business. Always has been. You can always make money with e-mail if you can get content and a pitch into it. Percentage wise, obviously. Not every mail has to have a pitch, but 1 in every 2 evens things out

    Jay
    Signature

    Bare Murkage.........

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2072614].message }}

Trending Topics