It's No Wonder No One Can Make Money Online Anymore...

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Hello Warriors,

This is just a rant of sorts. I don't even know why I'm ranting because I make good money online...

But it seems that every week, there is a new best way to make money online that you "can't miss out on".

This week it's offline marketing with the Main Street Marketing Machine.

Every guru pitching that product is supposedly moving offline and dumping their online activities...or at least according to their pitch emails.

Last week it was all about mobile marketing and that if you don't jump on it now, you're going to be too late.

I consider myself pretty resilient to that kind of stuff, but even I had thoughts of 'hmmm maybe I should try this offline stuff...'

So the fresh off the boat newbie is screwed. With all this crap floating around, it's no wonder people fail at making money online.

It totally makes sense to me.

Joe newbie decides to try affiliate marketing. Over the next 30 days he builds a couple websites, but doesn't see any results.

In comes a shinny magic bullet email that will supposedly fix his problem - "even newbies can make a fortune in 3 weeks", "this is the future of IM", "get in on this before it's too late..."

Joe newbie believes his old method doesn't work anymore, and moves onto the next thing....

The cycle continues and continues with each failed attempt.

Now look, I totally understand the product seller is simply trying to position their product so that people buy, and buy now. And that's OK.

But...

It just seems a little crazy right now.

Maybe it's because I have been studying the launch process more and now understand what they are doing, but it's starting to get pretty lame....

Does anyone agree?
#anymore #make #money #online
  • Profile picture of the author sainteve21
    Absolutely, totally agree

    It's no wonder Newbies don't know which way to turn & what to do first

    One week 'this' is the best thing, the next week 'no, this is the best thing'

    My advice to anyone out there:
    Stop chasing shiny things & crack on with what you know deep down feels right

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    • Profile picture of the author noguile
      Thanks Daniel, and all who have responded to this thread. AS a newbe who has squandered lots of money trying to find the secret key to join the elite 5%ers, and keeps getting distracted by the "latest greatest" offer, this thread has been like a good therapy session( Only Cheaper).

      I am going to unsubscribe to most of my emails and just pick one program to concentrate on.
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  • Profile picture of the author mpeters7
    Agreed. Not only that, but the launches are carefully coordinated so that if you're on a couple of lists, you get several emails from multiple "big names" all at the same time, which creates the impression that "The Whole Internet" is talking about this one product.

    Then you come to WF and everyone IS talking about it!

    Until the next launch, at least...
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
      Originally Posted by mpeters7 View Post

      Agreed. Not only that, but the launches are carefully coordinated so that if you're on a couple of lists, you get several emails from multiple "big names" all at the same time, which creates the impression that "The Whole Internet" is talking about this one product.

      Then you come to WF and everyone IS talking about it!

      Until the next launch, at least...
      That's a really great point there.

      Looking back at all the MSMM emails, they all were basically along the lines of:

      'hey I'm an online guru, but now im focusing on offline stuff because this is the future'

      Then you have every other Jeff and Mike on the planet saying the exact same thing...

      You actually believe that everyone is starting to do that stuff....

      I'm sure the $2997 price point had nothing to do with it....
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      • Profile picture of the author JeffMitchell
        All of the new product launches will definately keep a noobs heading spinning like the exorcist....

        I get around 100 or so emails a day. and I could put a book together with all the Main Street Marketing Machine Emails that I have gotten over the past week or so...

        SOmething new every week.. Wow.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adam Carn
    You're right, this "grasshopper" mentality doesn't get us anywhere, it just makes the learning curve steeper.

    Newbies learn the hard way.

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Quentin
    Or maybe your just on too many lists.

    I haven't heard of any of these but then again I opted out years ago because they messed with my brain.

    I only get stuff that educates me and leave them to their thing.

    If its any good you will hear about it.

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    • Profile picture of the author paul wolfe
      Originally Posted by Quentin View Post

      Or maybe your just on too many lists.

      I haven't heard of any of these but then again I opted out years ago because they messed with my brain.

      I only get stuff that educates me and leave them to their thing.

      If its any good you will hear about it.

      Quentin

      Great point.

      Only subscribe to lists where you get good content that you use. Otherwise hit the unsubscribe button. THen you won't hear about this stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author czilbersher
        New, shiny WSOs every other day...the next shiny thing...

        This behavior will change once the creators of these new, must-have offers reach a point where they can no longer recoup their development costs or time. Once they start losing money, it will make the whole product creation 'get-rich-quick' method a whole lot less interesting. And this will only happen once we get more discriminating in our efforts and learn to focus on one program at a time.
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        • Profile picture of the author SirLucius
          I didn't begin to make progress with IM until I unsubscribed from everyone's e-mail list. Then I realized that I needed the copy for my own niches, so I created another Gmail account and subscribed there. So I really only use those e-mails for headline ideas and e-mail marketing copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    I agree Daniel, but there's an easy fix...

    Stop trying to make money online, and start building a real business online instead (one that, subsequently, makes you money).

    The difference between the two is night and day, and the reason people who are searching for the next big thing, and are "trying to make money online" end up failing...

    ...is because they don't treat it like a real biz.

    They don't test or track.
    They don't learn any particular skill and outsource other tasks.
    They don't see things through and try a different approach when problems arise.

    We've all been there...but only a few of us stick it through and start treating it like a business...testing, spending money, studying endlessly, WORKING at it...

    Sadly, too many people simply want the quick shortcut to cheat the system. Even sadder, is that stuff only exists in sales letters aimed at these same people who buy into it, over and over again.

    Once you can detach yourself from the dream and face reality, you'll find three things happen...

    1. You realize the only secrets are test results

    2. You find out that working hard for money is more enjoyable than finding a stranger's wallet in the gutter

    3. You start budgeting, and only spend on things which will move you forward in your own business. I used to read a lot of pitch emails, but now, instead of reacting, I am proactive in finding what I need, when I want it. There's a big difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author TammieJJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I dont think the problem is the product launches themselves...really there's THOUSANDS of ways to make money online...

    ...the problem is that people don't take the time to learn AND implement everything (and truly give it time to work) before trying to hop to the next great thing.

    Could someone make money with Mobile Marketing? Of course!

    Offline Marketing? Hell ya!

    Affiliate Marketing? Of course!

    Bum Marketing: Yup!

    Now the problem happens when someone buys a WSO or $2,000 product...studies it for 2 weeks...tries it for 2 weeks...not make $1,000s of dollars...and then move on to the next "easy cash product" because they are desperate for money.

    Once people realize they are creating BUSINESSES that require MOMENTUM to make money...then they will see success...until then, the "gurus" will cash in on their short attention spans and greed...

    Or maybe I'm just crazy =)

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author Carlsbadd
    This is nothing new. When you start competing against the madness is when you notice it more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    I don't think it's impossible to make money. I was once caught up in that hype, wishing I had the money to drop on a $xxxx system. Good thing I didn't. The people who succeed in online business are the ones who see the pattern of constant "next big things", get skeptical, and start looking up free information on making money, then put it into action, test, revise, repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author RCormacko
    Yeah, I took a good few months in this game to realise this problem. Now, I will occasionally check out a new tool and maybe try it if it fits into what I already do. If it is some completely different method to what I'm doing, I ignore it. There is some good material out there, but it is too much of a distraction. Even a really respectable guru who I learned a lot from in the beginning is trying to flog me stuff all the time now, despite him pointing out this very problem in the beginning. Also, I find that there is nobody I get emails from who's opinion I can really count on. I got a pile of emails promoting "Rapid Rewriter" recently, but it is pretty useless by the looks of things. You still have to type every version of every sentence yourself to spin your articles. Nothing new there whatsoever. Anyway, I agree, stick with one method through to the end before trying new things. Don't click the link in my signature and immediately abandon whatever course you're half way through at the moment. If, however, you're looking for something new...
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  • Profile picture of the author stma
    They will learn (eventually) not to jump on the latest and greatest. Hell I know a guy that still makes money with FFA pages. For us old timers that's almost funny.
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  • Profile picture of the author postsalot
    I have been inundated in these emails as well...it has gotten to the point of ridiculous as one poster pointed out even getting 5-10 at the same time from different people same email. To be honest I didn't even 100% know what the MSMM was because anytime I have seen Mike or Jeff in the title of an email over the last few weeks it's an automatic delete.
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  • Profile picture of the author JTor
    I agree with you.

    The problem with most products is that owners just want to sell them, instead of really teaching an effective way to make money. This is how they keep their list happy when they send an email telling their problems are over, because he have the "real" solution -- and earns an additional commission on the referral sales.

    Aside from this, the mindset of newbies is also something important. Almost everybody wants to get rich overnight with no effort at all, thus failing.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    You just need to maintain focus. Distractions will always be there, you just have to resist them, and keep your attention on... ooh, shiny
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      You just need to maintain focus. Distractions will always be there, you just have to resist them, and keep your attention on... ooh, shiny
      Speaking of that...

      Do you get any work done with all the forum posting you do?
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      • Profile picture of the author ant_arias
        This seems to be the road to IM success. Buy every shiny magic bullet that is thrown at us and get completely overwhelmed in the hope that someday this actually sinks in and you develop a system that works for you.(well, that's what happened to me anyway )
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Do you get any work done with all the forum posting you do?
        Define "work"
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  • Profile picture of the author javistuff
    I think this tread is a big relief... I thought I was the only that felt that way, and couldn't agree more. It came to a point where I started to believe that all IM was about selling IM stuff to marketers... like a no exit loop of things.

    Thanks Daniel for sharing these thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenjames
    until you know what you are doing and have a good base, just stick to one thing and keep at it for a few months until it pays off
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  • Profile picture of the author tammie261
    yes, trust me as a new person trying to build an online business, I am having no luck. Im trying ebay but keep getting account frozen because paypal does constant verifications, there are no other auction sites that I can find that come close to ebay and nobody is willing to help without a fee
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  • Profile picture of the author MassiveMarketer
    I agree. It's like there's always something new. But try to focus on what you do best and improve it in time. It's much harder if you do new stuff when something comes up which will happen all the time. Focus on what you have while keeping yourself up to date with the latest updates in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mokai
    I also agree that is why i keep telling all my clients to try and block out all there lists, gurus etc and pick ONE method they really feel they connect with and give it there all and usually they are successfull versus getting information overload and getting so overwhelmed they get nothing done. Most people have a million ideas but never take action on them and are depressed of why they never acheive anything
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Here you go:


    This video made me out out of every single list in IM (obviously not his )
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    • Profile picture of the author jan roos
      I was in that trap almost 2 years. Once I stuck with one thing I started making money which is when I make my first IM product I am going to tell people to get of as many lists as possible and only check their emails once a day and also not to visit this forum 20 times a day like I used to do. It all is a big fat trap in my opinion and newbies need to recognize it and stay away.

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    • Profile picture of the author apol
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      Here you go:

      YouTube - IM Wake Up Call

      This video made me out out of every single list in IM (obviously not his )

      This is very true. I was once in that situation where in I bought a lot of stuffs, specially softwares and consuming all of my time in forums for information.

      But now I managed to overcome this kind of thought and hobbies and start working and testing what method really works and implement that method more and tweak it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
    You ultimately reach a point where you realize you're better served by ignoring all the "next big thing" emails altogether and just continuing on with your plan (hopefully you have a plan )

    Staying focused is mostly about knowing how to say "No" to stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy Trump
    I would have to agree... and its only getting worse each passing year.
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  • Profile picture of the author W2L
    Having too many things on the plate leads to inaction, even more so for people who are barely starting, have a lot of questions and blasted by a barrage of magic bullets.... crazy!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Faber
    Detours, so many detours. I think I'll check my stats again (for the 20th time today). Better check my 17 email accounts and browse those forums for just a little while to be sure I'm not missing the latest secret. Damn! Where did all the time go? I've been working so hard today, but I just haven't been able to get anything done.

    The bottom line is that you should plan out what you're going to do each day in advance and stick to it. If your bag is content creation, then spend the majority of your doing that. Focus on one blog, product, or site. When you really get that nailed, then you can move on to the next project.

    If you're a blogger try this schedule:
    M, W, F - create content
    Tu, Th - promotion (guest posting, articles, link building, social media, JV inquires, etc)

    Just my .o2c
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  • Profile picture of the author RickyLM
    I stayed with a couple of sites for 2 years just to give them the benefit of the doubt. I made a little pocket change nothing really to get excited about. I dropped all the old stuff after test marketing them for 2 years and started to look at different avenues. If it's not working for you try something new and stick with it for as long as you can stand the mediocrity.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    But Dan you might be missing out big time if you don't jump on the Main Street band wagon right now. Everyone-who's-anyone is getting it. And you know - the price is bound to go up if you don't buy now. Even guys like Frank are endorsing it so it must be really, really good. And $2k - that's nothing - think of it as an investment in your business, Dude. And you'll make that money back many times over - Mike as much as guarantees it. I'd go for it. Oh and just in case you've lost the 6 million emails you got about it - here's a link to it - how to make a motza offline

    See you round the bunker.
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  • Profile picture of the author woodymcgrath
    What I think they should do is to STOP buying new products.

    Just buy 1 and take MASSIVE action on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author LiquidSeo
      Originally Posted by woodymcgrath View Post

      What I think they should do is to STOP buying new products.

      Just buy 1 and take MASSIVE action on it.

      You are dead-on here! I have a great friend who gets caught up with every new product that comes along. It truly makes is near impossible to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    agree in a way....but people have to take responsibility as well. If they beleive the hype..it's their fault.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nino C
    I agree on this...

    if you are starting out online.. you won't know where to start..
    there are like a Gazilion new product launches every single day...
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  • Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

    So the fresh off the boat newbie is screwed. With all this crap floating around, it's no wonder people fail at making money online.

    It totally makes sense to me.

    Joe newbie decides to try affiliate marketing. Over the next 30 days he builds a couple websites, but doesn't see any results.

    In comes a shinny magic bullet email that will supposedly fix his problem - "even newbies can make a fortune in 3 weeks", "this is the future of IM", "get in on this before it's too late..."

    Joe newbie believes his old method doesn't work anymore, and moves onto the next thing....

    The cycle continues and continues with each failed attempt.

    Now look, I totally understand the product seller is simply trying to position their product so that people buy, and buy now. And that's OK.

    But...

    It just seems a little crazy right now.

    Maybe it's because I have been studying the launch process more and now understand what they are doing, but it's starting to get pretty lame....

    Does anyone agree?
    No, I don't agree. It's each person's responsibility to treat IM like a business, and not like a get-rich-quick scheme. If you keep jumping from one thing to the next one, then you're bound to fail no matter what type of business you venture into.

    The market out there simply offers you different product, but it's ultimately you and your common sense who needs to take the right business decisions. If you can't, then obviously you'll fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author CianMcCarthy
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    How are you hearing about all these product launches?

    Primarily....email

    That's the key

    Build yourself a monster list and promote these products (obviously you have to be a bit refined)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    Yeah you gotta know how to turn off everything else and create your own stuff, and then get good at marketing it.

    I always have the 'learn button' on automatically but when I need to roll up my sleeves and churn out my own work, I jusy hit the 'OFF button' until it's done.

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  • Profile picture of the author Nicketas
    Answer to all of this:

    Stop buying solutions and start offering them.

    That's it.
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  • Profile picture of the author alextsui
    Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post


    But it seems that every week, there is a new best way to make money online that you "can't miss out on".
    Hi Daniel,

    I couldn't agree with you more. Newbies everywhere, you've got to read this and wise up.

    As I like to say, the IM gurus will sell you exactly what you WANT... NOT what you NEED. Newbies, if you look for an "automatic Midas machine", they will sell that to you for a very hefty price!

    In order to really make money online, just fall back on all the basics that all the gurus themselves do- build a list, JV, etc.

    Regards,
    Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Daniel, online and offline marketing are all based on the same fundamentals.

    I'm quite sure that all the "gurus" that are promoting Main Street will again promote something else to their list.

    The core fundamental is building a list and selling to that list.
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    • Profile picture of the author jrod014
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Daniel, online and offline marketing are all based on the same fundamentals.

      I'm quite sure that all the "gurus" that are promoting Main Street will again promote something else to their list.

      The core fundamental is building a list and selling to that list.
      Yup, thats all there is to it! That sums it up.
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      • Profile picture of the author rashamba
        As someone who recently put out a product and made a list I agree. I did my own, because I thought I could provide better value for newbies. However, if I had a suggestion it would be to stay off all the emails (except mine of course ) and just come here and go into search/read mode. Especially the product review section. I would have saved myself thousands of dollars and wasted time if I had started there.
        I will say I am going into the offline marketing are now. There is great information here and plenty of people willing to answer your pms. All without taking out your wallet.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ilya Feynberg
    This is the case with just about everything in life though, not just IM or general marketing. Do I think that the majority of "gurus" are simply well connected used car salesman that hock dreadful products and services? Yep. But at the end of the day it all comes down to choice. You don't stop at every store and dealership on the way home to pick up the latest crap right? Same deal here...

    On the lack of information within these products...

    If you already think that you're going to simply swoop into the business world and get it right on the first shot and be living spiffy with a head full of knowledge and experience within a few weeks...well then you've probably already lost.
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    • Profile picture of the author mentor4u
      Good thread Daniel
      The next big thing...all they are looking at is the commision..
      Pitch the new main street marketing at 3 grand
      find ten suckers and you made 15k for 2 minutes work.
      Even mike does the email for you.

      My advice to newbies.
      Join the warrior forum
      Join the war room.
      If you cant find it here and the great prices
      you wont find it.
      Bogus items Allen boots them out.

      With the war room and wso, it is like the k mart blue lite specials
      compared to those high prices.
      That is why you hear Jeff Johnson make $300000 on one product launch
      not bad for sending a few emails made by the head of the product launch.
      Don
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    • Profile picture of the author patriccl
      This is why, our friendly marketing friend, Mr. X wrote The Death of Crap. You can read it at:

      The Death of Crap

      I agree that it's your own responsibility to be smart enough to decide which product to buy. I mean, is there really a different from this week's "how-to-make-5-figure from Clickbank" and last week's "how to make money from Clickbank" ebook in terms of the content and the strategies?

      Take care,

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    • Profile picture of the author Tejasca
      I'm coming to the conclusion that the Warrior Forum is a few hundred people who keep passing the same $47 around and around in one big circle. I think the next time it comes back to me, I'm just gonna keep it.
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    • Profile picture of the author 411Recommends
      I agree 100%! I have unsubscribed to most of the lists I was on.
      It got to the point that I was getting 20+ email offers a day.

      Daniel, do you have a list of the videos covered in your profitzon offer?
      I'm not sure if I need to invest in it or not. I bought your nichepacket
      recently. I'm not sure how you set up your sites though.
      I think the big question is how do your sites get traffic. I searched google
      for the different keywords you recommended and the first several pages were all big corp sites like amazon, target, nextag etc.

      Thanks for any advice you might offer
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post


    Now look, I totally understand the product seller is simply trying to position their product so that people buy, and buy now. And that's OK.
    This is the key part...

    The vendor and/or the JV partners are not responsible for the prospects short comings in working out if they should buy it or not.

    Its not their/or your place to make decisions for the customer.

    Your saying, sorry you cant buy this your not smart enough, come back when your more responsible.

    Robert

    PS: the vendors only responsibility is to provide a product that will do what they say it will if the purchasers takes the steps the product says to do to make it work
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    Stay far away from any gurus. Its their business model to sell you stuff, so dont subject yourself to it.

    Find people who DONT sell you stuff, its really that simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author PCRoger
    Yep, no money to be made online.

    I bet Amazon will be shutting down soon, too. Had a good run, goodnight.

    I wish those gurus would promote their $3000 systems offline... maybe door to door.

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  • Profile picture of the author dforman
    Hi! I am that total newbie you are talking about! Every email I get looks like it will solve all of my problems with making money on the internet. Everyone has a blueprint they want you to buy and how do you know which one is the best? Totally frustrating! I must say that I am really enjoying learning from the Warrior Forum. Everyone is so nice and helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author MacS09
    Good point.
    The solution I adopted: I either opt out of the lists or reroute them to a gmail account that I visit occasionally.
    I check my main email account three times a day now for max. 20 minutes each time, but am I'm driving this down to 15 minutes twice a day (slowly, to reduce withdrawel symptoms). Seesmic and facebook are now mostly off. Work is done to a timer.
    All this works wonders for my productivity.
    Oh yes, and the only products I buy are the ones that take me forward in my current projects.
    I keep the email (in the gmail account) to see how (not what) the big guns are marketing.
    We'll see how this method will work. So far, I've been more productive in the last two weeks than in several preceding months.
    BTW, this DMO is not my invention, of course. Thanks to Alex Jeffreys.
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  • Profile picture of the author BeenThereDoneThat
    When a "next best thang" comes out and I get hit with 15+ gurus sending me copy and pasted emails, I use that as an opportunity to unsubscribe from all of them. There are only a few lists that I have to stay on no matter what, but those few guys never do the bandwagon sales game. Most of the really good products I've bought are from here, and usually for low prices, sometimes for 4 hours of video, a PDF and some templates, it's a steal.
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  • If you dissect or compare all these guru courses then you realize that the principals are just the same but done in a slightly different way. Remember everything can be done in different orders or slightly different manors.

    All of these methods are the same ones released by lesser known marketers who release ebooks but have a lesser following. The different with these big time marketers is the software, bonuses and other materials they can provide along side their training.

    Basically they have the money to go all out. I buy these courses but only for the software that comes with the training and methods that are useful.

    I'm yet to come across a recently new found method. And these offline methods aren't new. It's what businesses started with in the first place and is a method that will always work regardless.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    Hey Daniel,

    I think the filtering system here should not be on the side of the sellers now and should be on the buyers. I mean, you have complete control of what you buy and what you do not buy. It is a matter of focusing on a single method and not getting caught by the hype of the next big thing in the industry. You should always focus on one method and do it until it works for you. When it works and you got enough money. That is the time you should go out and find new methods to implement. If you cannot outsource it, it is costing your time and money.


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  • Profile picture of the author Razguul
    SO Daniel, why last week and the week before were you pitching Sean Donahoe's RSS masters course as the next best thing, along with a whole bunch of other people?
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  • Profile picture of the author Geordie John
    Hey guys,
    As a recent noob to IM (within the last year) all i know is the constant new launch one after another, seems i opted into a bunch of lists of serial affiliates!
    It took some time to get out of that rut and begin focusing down and not getting distracted by the hype.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewM
    I think the best approach for newbies would be to learn the basic fundamentals of marketing online, then go native.

    Over my many years online, I've learned more through trial and error then I ever would have from a marketing guru, but even better yet my findings are exclusive to me.

    As far as offline marketing goes as being the next big thing... There is a saying " When everyone else is zigging you should be zagging" It could be hot right now as they say...

    but honestly I'd have to see for myself before I'd buy into any new info product about offline marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    The main street marketing business model was discussed heavily here in the 'offline gold' posts from about January 2008 so Warriors just need to pay attention. This is an individuals responsibility nobody else.

    I've been in this niche for three years.

    Launches are designed to get attention. This is how they work.
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    • Profile picture of the author scarface
      I think the best comment in this thread was made by Nick way back near the top.

      If you commit to building a business instead of trying to make money online, you will have
      an entirely different outlook and will not be tempted to change your business model every week.

      When you start a business in the real world, you have no choice but to give it all you've got because you usually have to risk everything you own just to get started. You can't try it for a couple of weeks and then move onto something else.

      There really isn't much new on the Internet. Sure, some things like SEO are a moving target and you have to keep up, but most of the "new great things" are simply repackaged ideas that have been around for awhile. Koenig didn't invent the idea of helping small businesses, that's been around since the Internet began. In fact, many small biz owners have been burnt and many more than once. It's never as easy as the guy trying to stick his hand in your wallet makes it sound.

      Making money on the net is really pretty simple.
      1. Pick a proven business model
      2. Learn your craft and constantly test and improve
      3. Keep doing that. You will make money.

      How much you make and how far you go is up to your work ethic and your goals.

      The key to the pot of gold you're looking for is not in the hands of the gurus. They will take your money until you stop giving it to them. Stop your subscriptions, stay off the forums unless you really need to learn something, and just WORK!

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  • Profile picture of the author Bob Conroy
    As a semi pro newbie, I think it cuts both ways.

    I certainly entered the game starry eyed because I've been involved with successful brick and mortar businesses. It's obviously not an easy game as I quickly found out. It really does require discipline to build a business not a get rich quick one hitter.

    I will say that I think the sellers do have an obligation to their customers, but you can't possibly shield people from wanting what works. Yeah, the stuff comes out daily but people are making money with it. They don't tell you that their main business model sustains them and this is a corollary to make some more money - not a longstanding model.
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  • Profile picture of the author JBanis
    Newbies don't realise that they ARE the market until much later. Sometimes (or often) when its "too late", in that they have just given up, or lost so much money that they simply come to the point that their mind HAS to change...something begins to click.

    There are many things that can be done, e.g. unsubscribing from lists, focussing on one plan only and make it work, or do some selfdevelopment on procrastination or whatever. The moment you realise truly that you (newbie or others) are the market, thats the moments things might (should!) change

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    • Profile picture of the author abbie kye
      Very much so Daniel. I agree with you being a newbie myself!! I must say what I've learnt to date are from a limited no of reports I've picked up from Warrior Forum. I'm doing this part time and really don't have much time plus trying 'every single thing' the gurus preach about! If there's something to take from their sales pitch, will add it to my knowledge but my credit card is safe in my purse!

      This month I have had my success and referred 53 (from 1st April to date)sales for a product from just one website using affiliate marketing. This product is very low priced but highly searched for. My goal now is to use my experience gained here to scale up, repeat for some decent commissions in future. there are a few little things you could do yourself to grow your business which the gurus don't tell you. Persistence and determination as in everything.

      I don't fall for the gurus!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kiran Ali
    I guess I am guilty of buying one product after another and not implementing anything (information overload / analysis paralysis)

    Cleaning my inbox right now. Looks like its time to take some massive action

    I think these so called *gurus* don't actually make any money by actually doing affiliate marketing, its by selling their products to IM like us.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpwilliams
    Yeah bro...this is the fact and it's just crazy. Everywhere you turn, there's this new crazy product launch shifting away your focus. I think it's pretty easy to get distracted and carried away these days. Especially if you don't know what you're doing and what you want.

    Well, it's one thing to know what you're doing. It's another to know how to get there.
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  • bear in mind that the majority of newbies also jump from offer to offer from fear of failure. They fail to begin because they don't truly believe it will work. So when the next offer comes in stating how easy and fast it is they jump to that offer again, and then the fear kicks in again.

    You then have a newbie who has bought 4-5 courses, comes to this forum and because of course he/she has bought 4-5 courses feels they have seen it all and have ignored applying the information read (or maybe sometimes they don't read it) due to fear of failure, or because they're lazy or they're simply not ready yet.

    I remember my first time doing keyword research I was very picky over what I chose. I thought to myself, if I choose this one and it fails then? but if I choose the other one and that fails then?

    So that would take me days, but then when I did. I would stake out the competition and then say "ok I can beat these". But deep down I didn't believe it could work for me so I never got round to it.

    In the end I changed my approach, aiming for keywords ANYONE could rank for and moving up in stats each time until my confidence built up to the point where I would believe in the methods I use.

    my .02
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicholas Kemp
    I think it is very easy to get sucked into hope! Avoid the hype. Internet marketing is hard work, but it works. Clarity, focus and fundamentals.
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    • Profile picture of the author WFHHopeful
      Originally Posted by Nicholas Kemp View Post

      I think it is very easy to get sucked into hope! Avoid the hype. Internet marketing is hard work, but it works. Clarity, focus and fundamentals.
      Exactly! Stay On Target!
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  • Profile picture of the author raymagnetic
    As long as people want to make money quick there will be people teaching you how to make money quick.

    Product launches are no different from other get rich quick schemes. Reminds me of the stock market newsletters telling me the next stock will flip my money 10,000 times by next week.

    When I see every guru hocking the next big thing I politely remove myself from their lists and keep doing what I'm doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael J Anthony
    I agree. I think all the information only holds the newbie back. He or she may have purchased the holy grail from some guru and he/she will keep receiving more holy grails from the same guru. If theyre on multiple guru lists, then multiply this effect times the number of gurus you are subscribed to. If they fall into actually buying these "holy grails", then no wonder they cant make any money online anymore...
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  • Profile picture of the author WFHHopeful
    Daniel,

    I suppose I would be considered a newbie, although I have been studying and trying to apply for about 18 months.

    You are absolutely right. It is always something new and I have found myself falling into that trap.

    But as was mentioned here it is about sticking with something and not being flighty, which I have been guilty of. I am still a work from home hopeful but it is just tough to get there. I will keep plugging away.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Im sure no "gurus" are actually dumping the businesses that made them "gurus"...
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  • Profile picture of the author fmn999
    I agree with everyone. Everytime you look there's something new out there thats supposed to make you tons of money. I usually start with traffic exchanges and do safelists to start driving traffic.

    Then when I make some money, I start doing articles, blogs, etc

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  • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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    Nothing personal, but when someone sells a product in the IM industry, you don't want a headline like "This product makes money", "Make lots of money". These are old terms, in this day and age IM'ers are trying to come up with the most catchy phrases. It is all just a marketing strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave1166
    I totally agree Daniel
    This is exactly what I was doing when I started out and I came very close to giving up. But someone gave me some advice about sticking with one thing at a time and put in the work to make things happen and I haven't looked back since. So any newbies out there don't be tempted with every new method thrown your way, stick to your plan and you will get there in the end.
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    • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
      I think it's a good thing that so many of the guru's have been promoting ways of making money offline over the last year or so. It's something even newbs can get stuck into straight away and see results a lot more quickly promoting their skills to local businesses.

      Marketing online skills to local businesses is probably the fastest way to build a real IM business if you're not too scared to pick up a phone or send out some targeted snail mail to local business owners. I've spoken to quite a few local businesses recently about IM services and most of them really haven't got a clue how to do any of this stuff (it's almost like you are speaking to someone stuck in 1998). I set up an aweber account for this restaurant owner a few weeks ago for $250. Took me about 1 hour to set up the account and write a follow up email, 1 hour to add 40-50 customers to the list and 30 mins chatting on the phone about future plans.

      In fact if anyone asked me right now about how to get into internet marketing and "make money online" I'd describe that "offline cash cow method" posted on this forum a while ago. Then when they have a few local clients and solid money coming in they can go crazy with all the other things like making their own product etc and taking a flyer on any ideas they have.

      I don't think it's the information overload so much as it is getting into a routine of implementing everything you learn as you learn it. The "information overload" only really becomes an issue if you haven't actually put any of it to use. Splashing around and getting practical experience testing different methods is much more valuable than just digesting content then jumping to the next method which you hope will finally "complete the puzzle".
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  • Profile picture of the author mcsmarket
    Make up your mind that you're going to be a leader and not a follower.
    At best there will be one or two little nuggets in every new bit of material.
    Go back over all of the information you've purchased over the past months or years,
    find those nuggets and find a way to make them work for you. By the time you go through this process you will be on your way to being a leader that your people will look up to. You must develop your own following. There is a lot of duplication out there but not everyone has been exposed to it. Find those people and lead them to what you have to offer. Every piece of technology is a method to get to the masses.
    Every method of reaching your goal of building a following is a good method.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
      Hi Daniel

      Great idea for a thread.

      In our view the BIGGEST problem with these Guru Launches is that they SELL you the Complete Answer.

      And then TELL you that the Complete Answer will be MORE Complete by grabbing a BS Upsell.

      Sounds very like "Animal Farm" where the writing on the wall of the barn said:-

      "All men are equal"

      Then overnight it became -

      "All men are equal, but some are more equal than others"

      Most of the Products that the GURU Cartel SELL don't do the things that they openly state (because they leave too much stuff out - including the secret sauce) its just a money grab of $2K here and another $1K along the way (just in case your wallet was TOO Fat).

      So what's the answer???

      Stop looking for the ONE thing that will make you Millions overnight OR get a BS Filter installed.

      Regards

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Baker
    Years ago I was caught in the same trap, then my business coach at the time just said to me, "Steve, beware of the acres of diamonds".

    That hit me hard as I realised there will always be another bright shiny object trying to drag me away from what I know I should do.

    This is why I love my mind maps. I have projects mind mapped out and if something new and shiny comes along and it doesn't fit my mindmap, it's goodbye.

    Stick to your plan.

    Steve
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