Warning: Rant - I'm so tired of people not telling if their software is Windows only

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Yeah!

Do they really think that the whole world have the time to use Windows? With all the bugs and viruses and blue screens, and crashes, and ... and just all the time that for some strange reason it doesn't work?

Not a bad word about Windows from my site. I made a living writing about Windows programs and Windows. When I asked my publisher if we could do some Mac or Linux stuff, he answered "no". There weren't enough problems with those operating systems, he said. So we wouldn't be able to sell books.

But still today, I stumble upon one site after the other with download this software, and they don't bother to tell me if I can use it on my Mac. Why?

They even go as far as spending money on AdWord campaigns to send me to pages, I wouldn't dream about buying from, because they don't tell me, if I can use the software or not.

Why?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    Why?

    Because most hobby programmers don't have a clue just how many MAC and Linux users are out there. Also they don't take the time to learn how to create software programs that are cross platform.

    The sad part is it is extremely easy to create software that WILL run on Windows, Mac and Linux. I create them all the time.

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  • Profile picture of the author gacott
    Saw some nice software just the other day developed with the QT4 toolkit, quite nice.
    WE have some stuff developed in .net and are working in the direction of making mono based releases also, for Mac and Linux.
    I have been full time on Linux since '98 ... so things today are quite good compared to what they were at the time. :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
      Originally Posted by gacott View Post

      Saw some nice software just the other day developed with the QT4 toolkit, quite nice.
      WE have some stuff developed in .net and are working in the direction of making mono based releases also, for Mac and Linux.
      I have been full time on Linux since '98 ... so things today are quite good compared to what they were at the time. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

    Yeah!

    Do they really think that the whole world have the time to use Windows? With all the bugs and viruses and blue screens, and crashes, and ... and just all the time that for some strange reason it doesn't work?
    Don't you dare hate on Microsoft

    I know it's kinda crazy that programmers don't make Mac version of their softwares but I think the main reason is because they don't use mac themselves so they have no idea how to make a software for mac.

    BTW, Windows 7 is a HUGE improvement on windows vista and I have been using it for 2 months now without a single crash.

    (I'm a PC BTW )
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  • Profile picture of the author ripley607
    I only use windows because of micro niche finder. but even then, micro niche finder is a fairly simple program and really should be available for mac or linux as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    Do they really think that the whole world have the time to use Windows?
    There is something else?

    Honestly, why should they bother to invest the time to develop software for a platform that is only used by a small minority of users.

    Microsoft Windows has 90%, Mac has 9%, and Linux has 1%

    Unless you're guaranteed a large number of sales it not worth it for most developers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      There is something else?
      Yes!

      Honestly, why should they bother to invest the time to develop software for a platform that is only used by a small minority of users.

      Microsoft Windows has 90%, Mac has 9%, and Linux has 1%
      So bye, bye 10% of the users?

      That's the same as taking 1,000 dollars, and burning 100 of them.

      No, it's even worse! Because a few years ago, everybody laughed at people who used anything else than Internet Explorer.

      Today, people use Firefox. Well, yes, a few outdated users still cling on to Internet Explorer, but they are old-timers, on their way out.

      It's good to hear that Windows 7 works. They should have made an operating system years ago that worked.

      But oh, that was not my rant here. My rant is about people assuming that everybody else uses Windows.

      Especially, when those people try to sell me something.

      Ha! That reminds me of something that happened a few years ago here in France, where I live. We were at a market place, and some guy tried to sell us some sausages. My husband wanted them, but I wasn't convinced. So I said a few words in French, and the sales man started to speak to me IN GERMAN!!!

      I left immediately! I wasn't German!

      I get the same impulse when somebody tries to make me get their software and take for granted that I use Windows.
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      • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
        Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

        Today, people use Firefox. Well, yes, a few outdated users still cling on to Internet Explorer, but they are old-timers, on their way out.
        Firefox is a lot bigger in Europe. IE usage is much higher here in the US. Most corporations here won't allow Firefox to be installed on regular users' computers and sometimes even on web developer's systems. The advertising agency I'm doing consulting with right now is the first mixed PC/Mac shop I've worked at in over 20 years of software and web development.

        I do put on my sales page that my application is for Windows only but that's in the FAQ section. I've considered writing a Mono version of it or a web based version of it but given it's a highly specialized app it isn't worth the time investment to do it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
          The bottom line here, if I read the OP correctly, is not whether or not developers create Mac and Windows versions of their software, but that they clearly indicate what platform their software runs on.

          Which shouldn't be a difficult thing to do. All it takes is putting up system requirements, which, frankly, is something serious developers should be doing anyway.

          Because, if I'm a Windows user and I'm still on XP and an application requires Windows 7, it'd be nice to know that before buying. Likewise, if I'm a Mac user and they only have Windows software, it'd be nice to know that too.

          It's not a Mac vs. PC issue. It's an issue of identifying the market for the product.

          Plus, it'll save on refund requests. So, it's pretty much a no-brainer to indicate the platform and requirements of your software.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

            The bottom line here, if I read the OP correctly, is not whether or not developers create Mac and Windows versions of their software, but that they clearly indicate what platform their software runs on.
            The issue from where I sit is that most developers don't know anything about Macs, and are generally led to the very strong belief that Macs can run Windows programs.

            Every time I talk to a serious and technically-savvy Mac user, it will come up at some point that a Mac is capable of running both Linux and Windows programs, but neither Windows nor Linux can run even one Mac program.

            Now, me, personally? I've used Macs. Still own one, in fact, although it's an older model. I try to stay reasonably abreast of what a Mac can do and how. But the average Windows developer does not. And the Mac crowd has worked very, very hard to convince people that if you switch to a Mac, you will still be able to run your Windows programs.

            Provided, of course, that you obtain a legally licensed copy of Windows for your new Mac (and the OEM copy you had with your last computer isn't legally licensed for this purpose) and use either the multiboot feature or one of the several available virtualisation products to configure a place for Windows to run and a method in which you will be able to run it; then you'll be able to run Windows on your Mac, and install the Windows program you like under Windows, and use it just like you were on a Windows PC - with only a 10% to 20% reduction in performance.

            But the impression you get from the ads is that you can stick a Windows program on your Mac and it "just works." So the developers don't say anything about Macs, because they don't think they need to.
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          • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
            Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

            It's not a Mac vs. PC issue. It's an issue of identifying the market for the product.
            That's exactly the point, Dan

            Thanks for clearing it up.
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      • Profile picture of the author milan
        Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

        So bye, bye 10% of the users?
        That's the same as taking 1,000 dollars, and burning 100 of them.
        Or perhaps it's the choice between taking 1,000 dollars or 100 dollars?

        I'm not saying this is the case in all cases, but this is exactly the case with some.

        You see, I develop some software for Windows. I've tested and about half of my programs run well on Wine. Wine is free for Linux, Mac. Wine is more lightweight than something like Parallels, VMWare...

        But consider this:
        Technical support. Most of the technical problems my customers report have actually nothing to do with my software. It's usually something to do with their Operating System, hardware or settings in other programs.
        If I'd advertise that my programs run well on Wine (or make a installation for Mac to install Wine and my programs), I'd need to hire more persons to provide technical support, for Mac, Linux. They would probably need to solve unrelated Mac, Linux issues, otherwise, customers would require refunds. They don't care what the issue is, they want the programs to run.

        Would that be feasible for me in this case? Honestly, I don't know. But I know that I can just develop more software for Windows, avoid all those new issues, and reach even more people...
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by Jay Jennings View Post

          Finally, while Mac users may be less than 10%, have you noticed that we're very vocal and very loyal? =

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          We also spend more on our computer initially, meaning we have some kind of money to spend.

          I look for apps that run online, and learned a couple of years ago to email people who are not clear about what their product is.

          I downloaded a couple of products that had .exe files, and all were promptly returned.

          Now I look for apps that run online, or have cross platform.

          I often wonder why software sellers don't tell me if their software gives me the ability to fly. You'd think the absence of the claim would be clue enough, but alas, it isn't. I guess I could always take 60 seconds to ask though.
          This is not the same thing. Suppose I put an app on the market, and don't tell people it will only work on Mac? You think some windows people may get annoyed? It takes just 1 little line to say "only pc compatible" or something along those lines.

          And for those who have the courtesy to do that, some of them I have emailed to ask if they had plans for a Mac version. It is just a basic online courtesy. You never know who your next customer may be.

          And I might recommend the app to someone who can use it - if I like you anyway as a silly PC user.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      There is something else?

      Honestly, why should they bother to invest the time to develop software for a platform that is only used by a small minority of users.

      Microsoft Windows has 90%, Mac has 9%, and Linux has 1%

      Unless you're guaranteed a large number of sales it not worth it for most developers.
      You may want to start watching trends. Linux and Mac are climbing each year.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Britt, it's funny you mentioned blue screens and Macs in the same post...I haven't had a blue screen on my PC in 5 years. That's how long I've been using XP Pro. However, I was at a computer store a couple weeks ago and looking at the iMac, and when I went to Pandora to play a song so I could see what kind of sound it had, it froze up. I remember thinking at the time, this is what used to happen on Windows 98 a lot. It's kind of funny in a weird way.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    So bye, bye 10% of the users?

    That's the same as taking 1,000 dollars, and burning 100 of them.
    Not exactly.

    It could take a couple of days to a couple of months to develop an application that is cross-platform.

    With the market of Mac users being so small it might not be worth the effort in time and money.

    That time and effort could be better used moving on to developing a new application for PC's that will generate far more revenue than what could be generated by developing an application for Mac users.

    Aside from that, sounds like you have a personal grudge (like most Mac users) against PC's.

    My PC's run wonderfully smooth and I only hear about PC's having problems from Mac users. It's like Mac users have to make themselves feel better by slamming PC's. Bring up something about PC's and a Mac user isn't far behind to say something rude... just look at the current thread about Win 7 as an example.
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    • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
      Originally Posted by jasonmorgan View Post

      Aside from that, sounds like you have a personal grudge (like most Mac users) against PC's.
      Personal, yes. From experience. I've been using a PC from the days of DOS 5 with WordPerfect on. Later with Windows 3.0. Later with all the other Windows versions up till Windows XP.

      It culminated one evening, where I had to work, because I had a deadline on a book. My husband was on his Mac, enjoying himself. I was fighting my Windows computer, yelling louder and louder, until I was nearly in tears of frustation. I had to finish my work that night, but my most important working tool wasn't working.

      My husband quietly said to me that we would order a Mac for me the next day.

      And I've never looked back since.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy Trump
    Put the gun down Britt
    Some of us are listening...
    I'm more a PC guy myself, but I've been making sure
    all the software I create from here on out is compatible with
    both PC and Mac.
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    • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
      Originally Posted by Troy Trump View Post

      I'm more a PC guy myself, but I've been making sure
      all the software I create from here on out is compatible with
      both PC and Mac.
      Great, Troy

      I like that.

      But I can also respect the people who only want to create software for Windows. They should just warn about it, before we have to pay, or before we have to give our Name and Email on the squeeze page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post


    But still today, I stumble upon one site after the other with download this software, and they don't bother to tell me if I can use it on my Mac. Why?


    Why?
    I often wonder why software sellers don't tell me if their software gives me the ability to fly. You'd think the absence of the claim would be clue enough, but alas, it isn't. I guess I could always take 60 seconds to ask though.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

    But still today, I stumble upon one site after the other with download this software, and they don't bother to tell me if I can use it on my Mac. Why?
    Because "With Mac OS X, you can use Microsoft Office, connect to most printers and cameras, join PC networks, and even run Windows."

    Basically, Apple and its fanboys have done such a great job making outrageous claims about how awesome Macs are, we figure the Mac is like the Superman of computers and if you have one you can do anything without any help from us. After all, Apple's tech support is so much better than ours anyway, you'll probably get a better answer from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan700
    Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

    Yeah!

    But still today, I stumble upon one site after the other with download this software, and they don't bother to tell me if I can use it on my Mac. Why?
    And go through a process and find out later that it's an .exe that your about to download or you've unzipped a file that has an .exe file in it.

    Just a little note on the first page saying PC only would suffice.
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    • Profile picture of the author IntoTheAbyss
      Originally Posted by Ryan700 View Post

      And go through a process and find out later that it's an .exe that your about to download or you've unzipped a file that has an .exe file in it.

      Just a little note on the first page saying PC only would suffice.
      A note saying "PC only" is meaningless.

      That's the problem with the whole "I'm a PC" advert campaign. Microsoft want PC to mean Windows when in fact Linux users use PCs, even Macs are PCs. The difference is the Operating System, it isn't the actual hardware.

      Windows/Mac/Linux should be the tags.

      As for the whole "the market isn't big enough to develop for" argument. Nobody has considered that if they actually make the software, that they will basically have little to no competition.

      People go on about finding "niches" and this is one that isn't being exploited.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Jennings
        Originally Posted by IntoTheAbyss View Post

        A note saying "PC only" is meaningless.
        PC might stand for Personal Computer, but that's not what it MEANS to anyone in the world of computers. Nobody is confused when someone asks, "Do you use a PC or a Mac?"

        I agree with the OP, it's just common courtesy to specify which platfor
        is required.

        Finally, while Mac users may be less than 10%, have you noticed that we're very vocal and very loyal? =

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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Jay Jennings View Post

          Finally, while Mac users may be less than 10%, have you noticed that we're very vocal and very loyal?
          Fun activity: identify other groups that are both vocal and loyal.
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      • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
        Originally Posted by IntoTheAbyss View Post

        A note saying "PC only" is meaningless.

        That's the problem with the whole "I'm a PC" advert campaign. Microsoft want PC to mean Windows when in fact Linux users use PCs, even Macs are PCs. The difference is the Operating System, it isn't the actual hardware.

        Windows/Mac/Linux should be the tags.
        Agreed to that.

        As for the whole "the market isn't big enough to develop for" argument. Nobody has considered that if they actually make the software, that they will basically have little to no competition.

        People go on about finding "niches" and this is one that isn't being exploited.
        True again, and what is perhaps more important, and something my husband mentioned yesterday, when we were talking about making programs Windows only...

        People, who buy a Mac, pay more for it than for a no-name computer. They are more used to paying for software, as well, even though operating systems etc. are cheaper than for Windows.

        Mac users are not amongst the most eager users of pirated software.

        So even though the Windows marked may seem to be larger, the targeted audience of paying customers might be more of the same size.
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        • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
          I realise that it wasn't the OP's intent, but why is it that any conversation that includes PCs and Macs always brings the Apple-loving PC bashers out in force?

          If I hear another Mac user telling me that their computer is better than mine because it doesn't suffer from blue screen crashes I will scream! I have six PCs here, running various versions of Windows XP, Vista and 7 and I have never had a blue screen crash. In fact the last time I saw one of those was on a computer running Windows Me.

          If comparisons must be made (and I don't really know why they should be) at least let's stick to current realities and ditch all the historic prejudice.

          I don't care how good your Mac is - just as I don't care how good my neighbour's Jaguar is. My computers, and my cars, do me just fine.

          You use what you like and I'll use what I like and let's stop the sniping and evangelizing.

          Enough said.

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  • Profile picture of the author PaulaC
    I have always thought that a MAC is better than a PC but I have never purchased one due to the lack of programs.

    And since getting Windows 7 I don't think I ever would because I am yet to have a problem with my PC and I have been using Windows 7 for around 5 months now. It's very stable compared to the older blue screen versions of Windows.
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  • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
    I have the good fortune to own both Windows machines and Macs, and am able to use each for its strengths. Microsoft Office? Sucks on the Mac. If you're at all proficient at Excel you'll tear your hair out on the crippled Mac version. Same with Quickbooks.

    On the other hand, my Mac is rigged up to be my paperless office workhorse. I find document management much easier on the Mac, and have gotten my workflow streamlined around some decent Mac software and my Fujitsu scanner. Some may say the same for working with video and photos.

    Back on topic, though, I think it's fair to assume that unless a program specifically mentions that it has an OS X version (e.g. Market Samurai), then it'll be a Windows-only program. You may get lucky, but it will be the exception and not the rule.

    On newer Macs with a lot of memory, though, I have had great success with VMWare Fusion and an old copy of Windows XP for getting the various and sundry Windows-only programs up and running. I've seen Parallels Desktop (a competitor to VMWare Fusion) on sale as low as $20, and there is even a free Virtual Machine Manager called VirtualBox available. If you don't have a copy of Windows XP lying around, eBay is your friend.

    I just checked Craigslist and found a whole laptop with a (claimed) legit copy of XP for sale for $80. You most likely can't take the copy of XP off that machine, but you can use that machine for whatever IM software you need to run (such as Big Mike's stuff) that doesn't run on OS X natively.

    I'm straying from the topic again so I'll wrap it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author SageSound
    Who cares? Get Parallels or VMWare Fusion and you no longer need to worry.
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    • Originally Posted by SageSound View Post

      Who cares? Get Parallels or VMWare Fusion and you no longer need to worry.
      False! I have a number of PC softwares that don't work on my iMac using Parallels, so I need to pull out my PC laptop to run them.

      Plus Mac slows down significantly while using Parallels (multi-tasking two OS at once).
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      • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
        Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

        Plus Mac slows down significantly while using Parallels (multi-tasking two OS at once).
        Plus, if you're on a laptop, it uses the power a lot faster.
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