How You Can Force ANY Guru to JV With You On Your Next Product Launch

by Jude.A
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Hi Guys,

Just felt I should share a little secret with you that could make your next product launch a massive hit! This forum has been such a wonderful resource place for me and I feel it's time to give my little quota back to this great community.

I would like to share with you a cool strategy to get ANY guru to partner with you in launching your next product.

First of all, just in case there are any newbie reading this, let me define what a product launch is:

A product launch is the sum total of your marketing activities to produce as many initial sales as possible of your newly created product.

We all know that selling a product of your own is one of the best ways to make money online. More and more people are realizing this everyday and we have more and more product owners on the internet.

But having a product of your own doesn't guarantee being a millionaire, you need to send traffic to your website to get people to see your offer and buy from you. While there are lots and lots of techniques and strategies on driving traffic to your website, I just want to share a method that works and can make you lots of sales and cash!

This process involves partnering with a guru in your niche in launching your product.

Think about this for a moment:

What would you give to get an influential person in your market to JV with you?

Most people would give an arm to get big guns like Frank Kern, Jimmy D. Brown or Mike Filsaime to partner with them. Imagine having just one of these great guys to be your partner in launching your product.
That would be colossal!

OK yes, I must confess this is not really a secret. You've probably heard of this before BUT before you close this page, you'll agree with me that UNFORTUNATELY, most average marketers get turned down 99% of the time when they contact these gurus.

The reason for this: they offer meagre deals!!!

If I were one of these gurus and someone walks up to me and says:
"Hey Jude, I'll like you to promote my product and in return you'll get 50% commission", I wouldn't be interested. There are definitely better deals elsewhere.

If another guy walks up to me and says:
"Hey Jude, I'll like you to promote my product and in return you'll get 100% commission, I'll at least take a look at the product to see if it's something I'll be comfortable endorsing but I won't be fully committed to it if I accept to promote it.

But if a third guy walks up to me and says:
"Hey Jude, I'll like you to promote my product and we'll share the entire profit this site brings in 1 year for 50-50", I'll take a look at the product and if it is something I'm comfortable endorsing, I'll reply a resounding YES!!!

Offering an EQUAL share in total profit for any guru to partner with you will make him TOTALLY committed to the success of your product launch.

He'll send out mailings after mailings to his list, he'll get his affiliates to promote it, he'll contact his joint venture partners (other gurus) to promote it as well, and do a whole lot more...
Let's look at these two scenarios:

1. Assuming you have a $100 product and you are able to sell 100 copies as a result of your efforts, that will be $10,000 in profit.
2. Assuming you have a $100 product and with the influence of a guru in your market you are able to sell 2000 copies (just being modest), that will be $200,000. When you share the profit equally, you get $100,000 each!

Which of these two scenarios above would you love to be in? No. 2 of course! And that's just the icing on the cake, think of the outcome of your partnership with him:

· a huge list of your own (thousands of email subscribers filling the opt-in form in your sales page)
· an affiliate team
· a guru status for yourself around your niche or market- something you could never buy with money.

Leverage on the assets of a guru in your niche and you are sure to have a successful product launch.

3 Effective Ways to Contact a Guru in Your Niche and Force Him to See Your Offer.

If you implement what I shared with you above, you are sure to get a guru of your choice to partner with you (that's assuming you have a top quality or unique product and not some rehashed crap), but first there's the problem of making him actually see or read your offer and that's where lots of people get it wrong.

People still use emails to present their JV proposals to gurus in their niche and when they don't hear from the gurus, they feel that their offer has been turned down or probably the guru isn't interested. In reality, sending JV proposals via emails do not work anymore.

Why?

These gurus get 100s of these emails every single day and 99% of the time they don't get to read them. Their support staff just browses through the 100s of such emails that they get every day and deletes them all! (Sounds horrible, but that's their job).

The solution here is to give a unique presentation of your proposal; add some ingenuity in your approach.

Here are a few approaches that I know will work if you try them:

1. Make a short personal video.
While every other person is sending out emails, you could just make a short personal video presentation of yourself asking them to partner with you in your project. This method could be time consuming and involves some work but the good news is it works! A short video where you present your product and state what you are offering them will do far better than an ordinary email.

2. Offer a free gift.
Do some simple research and find out about the hobby(s) of a particular guru of interest, it could either be playing tennis, golf or even the latest video games- just visiting his personal blogs will give you good insights in his hobbies. After you've found out his hobby, the next step is to do another research to find out where he resides, again you can get this piece of information by visiting his personal website. With these two pieces of information, you can go ahead and purchase a gift certificate at a local shop that sells these gifts around his locality and then mail the gift certificate to him as a thank you for looking at your JV proposal you sent earlier (no. 1 above).
Just this little gesture will single you out of the crowd and get you noticed. And if you have a unique product and an irresistible offer, you could land yourself a powerful partnership with an influential person in your market!

If you implement the two approaches i mentioned above and you still didn't land yourself a JV (which is unlikely), then it's time to go advanced with this method I'm about to share with you:

3. Make some money for him.
That's right! Make some good money for him.
If, for example, you want to launch your product by July, you can begin now to contact a few gurus in your niche and offer to send out a promotion to your mailing list for their product. Believe me; every marketer (gurus inclusive) will love to make some extra cash whenever possible and they'll definitely reply with a link to sign up for their affiliate program.

You'll then take this link and plug it into your mailings to your list and promote it actively till you make some good money for them.

Now when your product launch comes around, you'll then email those gurus you promoted for a few months back and ask them to promote your launch. With the money you made for them still fresh in their minds, you are sure to get a positive response from them 10 times out of 10!

Simple, smart and very effective!

When next you plan to contact a guru or any marketer in your niche to promote your launch for you, use any of the approaches mentioned above or a combination of all and they'll be forced to check your offer and work with you.

Using the strategies I share with you here, you'll definitely get yourself a winner.

This has been a rather lengthy post but I hope you enjoyed it.

Friends, you can go ahead and implement this idea above and feel free to PM me on how it went for you.

I'm a Nigerian and I used what I just shared here to land me a very lucrative JV with a top internet marketer in Nigeria and I made lots of cash (which even when converted to dollars is still very impressive) and I'm not resting on my oars, I'll use it to land a big hit with the big guns soonest (no kidding).

If it worked for me in Nigeria, it can work for you anywhere in the world.
Just implement it. What is good for the geese is good for the gander.
Or as my little nephew will say: "What is good for Greece is good for Uganda!"

To your success,
Jude.
#force #guru #launch #product
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
      Jude,

      Very awesome post. At first I thought it was going to be one of your standard JV threads, but you provided some really nice information here.

      Another thing you can add to the list is simply becoming their friend by helping them out with their business.

      I'm new to this whole JV thing - so instead of trying to land jv partners right off the bat, i'm simply trying to make friends - helping the person with their business, answering stuff in their membership sites to relieve their support load, and so on.

      Just my 2 cents - great thread though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
    Good post Jude, I was gonna thank you for it but then I realized the thanks button is missing! Anyone else have this problem?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
      Originally Posted by Vanquish View Post

      Good post Jude, I was gonna thank you for it but then I realized the thanks button is missing! Anyone else have this problem?
      Yes I can see that, but it's okay. I'm glad you like it. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Well, to an extent. But all the pot sweeteners in the world aren't going to entice a "guru" to go out on the limb with their list for a marginal product that is offered by inexperienced people that haven't a clue about how to support their customer base.

    In other words, all the wax in the world won't polish a turd.

    Good thoughts for an effort that doesn't fail on those points though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Well, to an extent. But all the pot sweeteners in the world aren't going to entice a "guru" to go out on the limb with their list for a marginal product that is offered by inexperienced people that haven't a clue about how to support their customer base.

      In other words, all the wax in the world won't polish a turd.

      Good thoughts for an effort that doesn't fail on those points though.
      Michael, you know your sh*t

      Definitely can't go to a guru and be like "will you sell my $17 piece of crap for me?"

      Especially in the IM niche.

      You need a KILLER high quality product + 2-3 high dollar upsells, one of them preferably being a $40-100/m continuity program.

      Then you need a bad ass sales letter to go along with that...

      A good pre-launch.

      And a crap ton of pre-build good will with people who will push your products

      + a couple A list marketers as social proof that the product launch will be massive.

      Again, not talking from personal experience here, but rather what I have observed and am learning how to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
        Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

        Michael, you know your sh*t

        Definitely can't go to a guru and be like "will you sell my $17 piece of crap for me?"

        Especially in the IM niche.

        You need a KILLER high quality product + 2-3 high dollar upsells, one of them preferably being a $40-100/m continuity program.

        Then you need a bad ass sales letter to go along with that...

        A good pre-launch.

        And a crap ton of pre-build good will with people who will push your products

        + a couple A list marketers as social proof that the product launch will be massive.

        Again, not talking from personal experience here, but rather what I have observed and am learning how to do.
        Guys, i couldn't agree with you more. Any serious marketer seeking to do a JV with any top internet marketer in his niche should ofcourse come ready with a very good, unique, and top quality product accompanied with a well written, converting sales letter. I thought i mentioned this briefly in my post but I'm glad you laid more emphasis on it. Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Alminc
          Good post Jude.

          There is only one week point: you say that contacting the guru
          by email does not work any more because they never read those
          countless emails. I agree with you, but you actually don't offer
          different alternative. What you counted as the better alternatives
          (creating a personal video, etc) assumes that you must send
          an email anyway and that someone must open it and read it.
          So it's again trying to make a contact via email.

          Actually I think that is the biggest problem when trying to
          make a contact with a guru, or even a half-guru. They don't
          even read their emails, they have stuff to do it instead, so
          who am I writing to? Some totally unwanted Mr. Virtual Assistant
          that will delete my email (most probably).

          The problem is how to get the guru to read the email personally !

          Otherwise, great post really, and thanks for the tips.

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          • Profile picture of the author marlon
            Hey Guys and Gals,

            Your best approach is to get tier 2 and tier 3 players to email your offer and get your numbers working.

            Word spreads fast. And there is a chance you'll get a tier 1 player to email
            it if their tier 2 or tier 3 friend made out really well with it.

            The best single example is Mike Filsaime's original Butterfly launch. At
            the time, the guys who launched that for Mike were probably considered
            tier 2 or tier 3. A lot of people didn't know who they were even though they had good lists.

            After the launch, they all became very well known.

            Beyond that, I personally feel it's best to just form your own team of your own players at your level in the Game. Put together 10 tier 2 and tier 3
            players and you have the equivalent of 1 or 2 tier 1 players.

            But there is no right or wrong here. Whatever works, works. As obvious as that sounds. I know someone Frank mailed for just because he met him at a seminar and liked him.

            If you can sell on webinars and PROVE it, you open the door to speaking at seminars which is the entry level of being A tier.

            Best wishes,

            Marlon
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            • Profile picture of the author Alminc
              Originally Posted by marlon View Post

              Hey Guys and Gals,

              Your best approach is to get tier 2 and tier 3 players to email your offer and get your numbers working.

              Word spreads fast. And there is a chance you'll get a tier 1 player to email
              it if their tier 2 or tier 3 friend made out really well with it.

              Marlon

              That's much much more realistic. Contacting the most famous and most
              powerful gurus is silly if you are still nobody and just have a product, no
              matter how good.

              Marlon, would you mind defining the tire 2 and tire 3 players?


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            • Profile picture of the author blackmagido
              Originally Posted by marlon View Post

              Hey Guys and Gals,

              Your best approach is to get tier 2 and tier 3 players to email your offer and get your numbers working.

              Word spreads fast. And there is a chance you'll get a tier 1 player to email
              it if their tier 2 or tier 3 friend made out really well with it.

              The best single example is Mike Filsaime's original Butterfly launch. At
              the time, the guys who launched that for Mike were probably considered
              tier 2 or tier 3. A lot of people didn't know who they were even though they had good lists.

              After the launch, they all became very well known.

              Beyond that, I personally feel it's best to just form your own team of your own players at your level in the Game. Put together 10 tier 2 and tier 3
              players and you have the equivalent of 1 or 2 tier 1 players.

              But there is no right or wrong here. Whatever works, works. As obvious as that sounds. I know someone Frank mailed for just because he met him at a seminar and liked him.

              If you can sell on webinars and PROVE it, you open the door to speaking at seminars which is the entry level of being A tier.

              Best wishes,

              Marlon
              I hope Marlon reads this but can someone please explain what a tier is? Who is a tier 1 or tier 2 or tier 3 player?
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              • Originally Posted by Alminc View Post

                Marlon, would you mind defining the tire 2 and tire 3 players?
                Originally Posted by blackmagido View Post

                I hope Marlon reads this but can someone please explain what a tier is? Who is a tier 1 or tier 2 or tier 3 player?
                "Tier" refers to level. My guess is, he was meaning that A-list marketers are considered Tier 1. The next level below them would be Tier 2. And below them are Tier 3.
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                • Profile picture of the author blackmagido
                  Originally Posted by White Dove Creative View Post

                  "Tier" refers to level. My guess is, he was meaning that A-list marketers are considered Tier 1. The next level below them would be Tier 2. And below them are Tier 3.
                  Thank you so much White Dove. I think i understand now.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
            Originally Posted by Alminc View Post

            Good post Jude.

            There is only one week point: you say that contacting the guru
            by email does not work any more because they never read those
            countless emails. I agree with you, but you actually don't offer
            different alternative. What you counted as the better alternatives
            (creating a personal video, etc) assumes that you must send
            an email anyway and that someone must open it and read it.
            So it's again trying to make a contact via email.
            That's true Alminc, but how about sending a DVD of your presentation/proposal to the home address or office of the guru with a postcard attached to it? This is a better way around that problem or what do you think?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alminc
              Originally Posted by Jude.A View Post

              That's true Alminc, but how about sending a DVD of your presentation/proposal to the home address or office of the guru with a postcard attached to it? This is a better way around that problem or what do you think?

              Well, that would be something new and probably more effective.
              How about including the gift you mentioned in the same parcel ?
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              • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
                Originally Posted by Alminc View Post

                Well, that would be something new and probably more effective.
                How about including the gift you mentioned in the same parcel ?
                Now you're talking .
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    • Profile picture of the author DogScout
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Well, to an extent. But all the pot sweeteners in the world aren't going to entice a "guru" to go out on the limb with their list for a marginal product that is offered by inexperienced people that haven't a clue about how to support their customer base.

      In other words, all the wax in the world won't polish a turd.

      Good thoughts for an effort that doesn't fail on those points though.
      Of course, an enema will always help
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    • Profile picture of the author moneyblogger1
      Actually on mythbusters they did prove that you can indeed polish a turd lol.


      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Well, to an extent. But all the pot sweeteners in the world aren't going to entice a "guru" to go out on the limb with their list for a marginal product that is offered by inexperienced people that haven't a clue about how to support their customer base.

      In other words, all the wax in the world won't polish a turd.

      Good thoughts for an effort that doesn't fail on those points though.
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      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      A relationship helps too.

      AND an in with someone else (getting in with someone can get you into a bunch of others - networking basically)

      Also, being a customer of theirs AND promoting a product of theirs goes a long way.

      Finally, and I think the most important point, is having a SUPER high quality product that converts really well and leaves the customer with an "wow" moment.


      Those offers will attract JV's out of no were.

      Rob
      Being their loyal customer AND affiliate promoter ... plus responding to their requests for feedback, proactively suggesting things, keeping yourself known with light and useful emails or even phone calls (get to know their staff!).
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary King
    Nice post Jude.

    As @MichaelHiles and @Daniel Brock suggest, relationship, relationship, relationship and a good quality product.

    All the things you offer can help (and the others - e.g., getting in with the staff) but you just have to either get to know the potential partner or get them to really trust you.

    Hey, look at it this way - they've busted their hump to build their list and their reputation.

    10Gs isn't enough to ruin their guru status or risk tons of unsubs when they promote something that either isn't up to snuff or is out of the norm for their list. If they are an IM marketer, promoting IM stuff and all the sudden promo a gardening tool guide, well... not exactly targeted marketing there.

    As I said, nice post - just keep in mind all that the relationship will help no matter what - even to the point of helping get your product to the point where they WILL promote. ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
      Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

      Nice post Jude.

      As @MichaelHiles and @Daniel Brock suggest, relationship, relationship, relationship and a good quality product.

      All the things you offer can help (and the others - e.g., getting in with the staff) but you just have to either get to know the potential partner or get them to really trust you.

      Hey, look at it this way - they've busted their hump to build their list and their reputation.

      10Gs isn't enough to ruin their guru status or risk tons of unsubs when they promote something that either isn't up to snuff or is out of the norm for their list. If they are an IM marketer, promoting IM stuff and all the sudden promo a gardening tool guide, well... not exactly targeted marketing there.

      As I said, nice post - just keep in mind all that the relationship will help no matter what - even to the point of helping get your product to the point where they WILL promote. ;-)
      Thanks Gary for this excellent addition.

      I just want to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who has contributed to this thread. Your posts have been wonderful tips to compliment everything I've said here.
      You Guys are the best.
      WF Rocks!!!
      Jude.
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  • Profile picture of the author blackmagido
    thanks for your post MR Jude,your post and members comments all add up to make it very informative and enlightening.....Thanks to you and members that commented.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by Jude.A View Post

    3. Make some money for him.
    That's right! Make some good money for him.
    If, for example, you want to launch your product by July, you can begin now to contact a few gurus in your niche and offer to send out a promotion to your mailing list for their product. Believe me; every marketer (gurus inclusive) will love to make some extra cash whenever possible and they'll definitely reply with a link to sign up for their affiliate program.

    You'll then take this link and plug it into your mailings to your list and promote it actively till you make some good money for them.

    Now when your product launch comes around, you'll then email those gurus you promoted for a few months back and ask them to promote your launch. With the money you made for them still fresh in their minds, you are sure to get a positive response from them 10 times out of 10!

    Simple, smart and very effective!

    Nice post and there are some good tips in here.

    Number 3 above is the most likely strategy to work but keep in mind to someone with a huge list if you're producing a few hundred dollars in sales for them it will help but it won't be enough to persuade someone with a really huge list to joint venture with you.

    Also remember that with really good marketers money is not the first factor they consider when choosing who and what to promote.

    They want to know:

    # Does this compete with a product or service I provide or promote?

    You can't expect a marketer to promote your product if it competes directly with their own product or with a product they promote with an existing major joint venture partner.

    Do your homework and find out what they're selling and what they're promoting.

    The ideal product or service is something related but non-competitive.


    # Will this product or service genuinely benefit my subscribers?

    Does the product actually deliver on the promises it makes?

    Does it add something significant to the niche? Rehashing material that's already been covered in a niche and expecting a major marketer to promote it for you is a waste of everyone's time.

    Sub niche. Find a section in the niche that hasn't been covered and do something really special for that subniche.

    That in itself is usually 90% of what you need to get you a joint venture deal with a high percentage of marketers.


    # Are you a person of integrity? Do you have some demonstrated success? Will you deliver on your promises?


    # Are you going to handle refunds and presale and after sale inquiries from prospects and purchasers in a fast effective manner? What systems will you have in place?



    If you're a smart marketer you'll begin by getting to know the major marketers in a niche, what they're selling and promoting and then come up with some subniched ideas and see if they have an interest in them before creating the product.

    That's likely to get you the greatest return for effort.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author James Sol Radina
    I also feel you better be on this guru's mailing list, affiliate list, subscriber to his blog, facebook, twitter, linkedIn, forums, etc. Interact with him/ her. Get to know them ourside of what most people see. And when you post and reply to things, your name will start popping up more and more. So when you do send a gift, your name might just be recognizable.
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    • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
      You need to build a big list before contacting Guru for JV.

      Ad swap with Guru is a way to make big money.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        There are some good tips in this thread (not only in the OP, but other posts as well). However, let me throw in one bit of advice for the beginners...

        Landing a a nice JV starts with your attitude.

        See, look at the title of this thread:

        How You Can Force ANY Guru to JV With You On Your Next Product Launch
        Force? You can't force anyone to do anything.

        Now, I realize the OP used that title to draw eyeballs to the thread. But this sort of thread title also attracts beginners who have an entitlement mentality. They're the kind of folks who DEMAND and EXPECT people to give them everything.

        So to the beginners out there who're looking forward to "forcing" a marketer to do a JV with you...

        Ain't gonna happen. At least not until you change your attitude.

        I've seen way too many JV requests land in my inbox where the requester practically demanded I do a JV. No, this wasn't the "assume the sale" technique. This was someone with an entitlement mentality who thought I owed them something. These requests were from the kinds of people who think the bigger marketers purposely keep the "little guy" down. (Tin foil hats, anyone?)

        Drop the attitude. Drop your expectations. Drop your entitlement mentality. Stop thinking about yourself.

        Instead, think about what your potential partner wants. Think about how you can help him or her. Think about how you can help his or her customers.

        Be genuine about it. Don't help someone and expect that they'll fall all over themselves to mail out to their list.

        Finally, remember this...

        The big marketers made money long before you knocked on their virtual door. They'll make money whether they agree to your JV or not. And they'll make money long after they've forgotten about you.

        Point is, they don't need you. Not at all. Once you get that through your head, you'll be in a better position to start building real relationships (rather than trying to force someone to do a JV with you).


        Cheers,
        Becky
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        • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
          Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

          There are some good tips in this thread (not only in the OP, but other posts as well). However, let me throw in one bit of advice for the beginners...

          Landing a a nice JV starts with your attitude.

          See, look at the title of this thread:



          Force? You can't force anyone to do anything.

          Now, I realize the OP used that title to draw eyeballs to the thread. But this sort of thread title also attracts beginners who have an entitlement mentality. They're the kind of folks who DEMAND and EXPECT people to give them everything.

          So to the beginners out there who're looking forward to "forcing" a marketer to do a JV with you...

          Ain't gonna happen. At least not until you change your attitude.

          I've seen way too many JV requests land in my inbox where the requester practically demanded I do a JV. No, this wasn't the "assume the sale" technique. This was someone with an entitlement mentality who thought I owed them something. These requests were from the kinds of people who think the bigger marketers purposely keep the "little guy" down. (Tin foil hats, anyone?)

          Drop the attitude. Drop your expectations. Drop your entitlement mentality. Stop thinking about yourself.

          Instead, think about what your potential partner wants. Think about how you can help him or her. Think about how you can help his or her customers.

          Be genuine about it. Don't help someone and expect that they'll fall all over themselves to mail out to their list.

          Finally, remember this...

          The big marketers made money long before you knocked on their virtual door. They'll make money whether they agree to your JV or not. And they'll make money long after they've forgotten about you.

          Point is, they don't need you. Not at all. Once you get that through your head, you'll be in a better position to start building real relationships (rather than trying to force someone to do a JV with you).


          Cheers,
          Becky
          Thanks Becky for the tips. And Yes I use the word "force" to attract people to the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I know why you said it but there's NOTHING you can do to get EVERY Guru to accept your deal.

    I turn many people down who offer great deals because I don't know them and this wouldn't be any different if they offered every cent their launch made.

    It's not all about money.

    I put a lot of value on my time and I generally don't spend any time watching what other people are doing.

    I only work with friends or friends of friends, so I generally have no interest in what offers people make for me to sell their stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author blackmagido
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I know why you said it but there's NOTHING you can do to get EVERY Guru to accept your deal.

      I turn many people down who offer great deals because I don't know them and this wouldn't be any different if they offered every cent their launch made.

      It's not all about money.

      I put a lot of value on my time and I generally don't spend any time watching what other people are doing.

      I only work with friends or friends of friends, so I generally have no interest in what offers people make for me to sell their stuff.
      that sounds harsh
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  • Profile picture of the author blackmagido
    I hope i don't get into trouble for repeating myself but can someone please help me answer my question above? I have posted a new thread on this question in the main discussion forum but obviously this thread is getting more views than mine.
    Please what/who is a tier 1, tier 2 or tier 3 player in internet marketing? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
    Well, blackmagido i'm sorry i couldn't get to you earlier. In IM circles there are different levels of marketers. I'm sure you'll agree with me that guys like Frank Kern, Mike Filsaime, Ewen Chia, Allen Says e.t.c are in a very top class. This is what 'White Dove' rightly termed as A-list marketers and Marlon called them 'tier 1 players'. Then we have a level below them, these are IM marketers who are also good in the business but may not be as 'top class' as some of the guys listed above. I'm sure you can find some of this level of IMers here in the WF, they are the tier 2 players, then some below them as well could be termed as tier 3 players and so on...
    You wanna know where i stand?
    Tier 0.5, i'm top top class!
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    • Originally Posted by Jude.A View Post

      This is what 'White Dove' rightly termed as A-list marketers
      Hi Jude, that term came from Daniel Brock's above post, I just repeated it.
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  • Originally Posted by Jude.A View Post

    then some below them as well could be termed as tier 3 players and so on...
    And let's not forget about the very special level.... consisting of people who read one marketing ebook..... and the very next week they tout themselves as marketing experts, selling their own info products (with rehased regurgitated info) and offering professional marketing services. That's the level with the largest number of experts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Hi blackmagido,

      I'm not A class, far from it. But I'd like to give some help by a simple example on the 'tier'.

      Let's say you have 1000 - 2000 subscribers, then you may apply for partneship successfully with another people who have similar or a bit bigger list. Let's name it xxxxxtier.

      If you have 10000 - 20000 subscribers, then you may make successful JV with someone who handles similar or a bit bigger list. They may belong to the xxxxtier.

      Naturally, if you handle 50000 - 100000 subscribers, then you can partner with similar marketer without problems. That may be the xxxtier.

      And so on.

      But as stated above you need to offer premium quality product and proper income. Bear in mind that the targeted marketer will make the question: 'What Is In It For Me?'

      Many successes,

      Sandor
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