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14 years ago

Hi, EA, I'm so sorry you're dealing with all this pain. Have you been able to see a doctor? You sound like I felt when I was severely depressed. Believe me when I say, you CAN be very happy after depression is dealt with; I'm proof of that.

I'm glad you overcame the fear of posting your feelings. Now I hope if you do nothing else, please get whatever help you need. And know you have friends here.

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Brad Spencer

14 years ago

When I feel the way you feel right now (probably never been this low to be honest)...

Here's the quote I think about.

"When you're going through hell...keep going"- Winston Churchill.

I also think about "It could be worse" and then I lay a scenario about what could be worse in my life currently.

Try these 2 things and you should feel a bit better...and a bit better is better than nothing at all...

Hope that helps you!

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nando1125 14 years ago

We are all here for you fellow warrior
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greenowl123 14 years ago

Hey Buddy, I am sorry you are feeling down right now. It will get better.

Be thankful for what you have in this life. There millions of people in this world who have less than you have. If you have a roof over your head, food to eat, clean water to drink and a bed or something soft to sleep on, then you are doing better than millions of others in the world.

I bet you have at least one or 2 people who care about you and would miss you if you were gone. That is a lot.

You seem intelligent. Use that brain and get busy to have the life you want. Better to use your brain than breaking your back working in construction, at least in my opinion.

When you are 70 you can still sit at the PC and make money.

So keep learning, experimenting and NEVER GIVE UP !
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Teresa Coppes

14 years ago

As Laura mentioned, you need to see a doctor. There are times in my depression where I can't do anything and then beat myself up over not doing anything. It's a vicious cycle but under a doctors care you can have peace of mind.

I truly wish you the best. Be strong for your future little one. It may not feel like it at times but you not being in their life is not better. Please take care.

Teresa

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Adam Roy

14 years ago

Interesting thread for the WF...

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

We all have doubts. You just have to push through them. First though, seek professional help. What you're going through may be new to you and very difficult, but it's not new to professionals. Get the help you need now, it's out there waiting for you.

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joesemo 14 years ago

Sorry To hear about your pain. Depression is serious do not take it lightly. You may want to seek some help.

For your internet business try to find one way to make money and stick with it.

It is so easy to get get caught up in all of the hype. There are people making money, do not doubt it.

You can write articles for $4-5 an article to help supplement your daily earnings. If you can build up to 10-12 articles a day this would be $50+ a day you can count on while you build your other sites or networks.

As long as you stay at it you will get it wrong enough until you find what works for you.
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czilbersher 14 years ago

Hey EA...hang in there! The pain you're feeling now....this too shall pass. Although it sounds so cliche, you have to realize that you're not alone. It's not a sign of weakness to ask for help and I applaud your strength for taking the first step in sharing your pain. You probably could also gain a huge benefit by asking for professional help in your community. One of my favorite Statesmen, Henry David Thoreau, said: "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation." I think that's true. I also think that what you're going through is fairly common but you've gotta believe that it will pass in time...and it might be necessary to seek some external support or help to see your way through it. I know you can and will succeed.
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- nando1125 14 years ago
  
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Rane

14 years ago

OMG that was painful to read. First off, it sounds like you are suffering from serious depression. We've all been there at one time or another, but people who are "situationally depressed" pull out of it. It sounds as though you are really IN IT- in the ****. You may need help pulling yourself out.

Where do you live? I bet it would help to hang out with someone in IM. Whenever I am suffering from inaction I get talking to my mom who is also in IM and we get excited.

Look, there's a lot I could say to that post and none of it would really help because (and this may sound harsh and no one else will tell you this but I had to learn it and watch someone die who refused to learn it) ultimately you are alone in this. The answer is inside of you. Sure maybe a doctor can help and you should try but remember it is up to you- no one can get inside and reprogram your mind. Sometimes you have to just force yourself.

If you really can't force yourself try some Kratom (it's legal, doesn't have the severe withdrawal effects of anti depressants, and it will make you feel better long enough to figure out what you need to do before you off yourself).

This hits so close to home...

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Alex Mensah 14 years ago

Hi EA, man, that's touching and really sad at the same time. I just wanted to let you know, if you need anything at all, just pm me....I will be glad to help where I can.
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Lou Diamond

14 years ago

Hello,
I would find a partner to help you with internet marketing, by myself I would never complete anything.
I found my own brother to help me complete some projects and now I am moving on up in the internet marketing world.
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anthony2

14 years ago

Keep your head up and see if you can get someone who is a professional you can talk too.

You have alot of value you can offer to this world my friend.

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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

Hey, I am not a doctor... but I live with one: my wife is a psychiatrist.
Since they are humans, too, they (also) need to vent after a long day dealing with patients with different problems. Which means I have heard about cases like yours and I also know it can be helped. I know because I have seen it!

Seek professional help as soon as you can, please! They have methods and medication that would help to get very well. Just make that first step tomorrow morning - don't wait!

I wish you all the best!

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Jesus Perez

14 years ago

This sounds like depression. And depression is dangerous. Please seek help. You may be suffering a chemical imbalance that's keeping you from reaching success.

Please talk to a doctor as soon as possible. Especially with the child on the way.

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Marhelper

14 years ago

I worked in the psychiatric field for 15 years and want to tell you that you are NOT alone! Find help right now and do not put it off.

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loma

14 years ago

Originally Posted by EA

and sometimes I really think something is wrong with me..

YES dear EA, there is something wrong with you ! You have a physical disease ! As others here ( mainly female members ?!?) have told you, it is classical anxiety/depression. That's good news

because it is a treatable disease. Would you refuse to take treatment for an infection ? No? Then please go to your doctor and get treatment for your anxiety/depression. You can't think straight when you have a biochemical imbalance in your brain and your sick thoughts only lead to more biochemical imbalance. It is robbing you of your life.

I've been like you and I can attest to the effect of a course of anti-anxiety/depression medication - it gives you a 'breathing space' where you can think clearly again and then move on to get your life back.

Best wishes for your speedy recovery!

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Kay King 14 years ago

If you are expecting your first child - and having suicidal thoughts - you need professional help now. You need a physical exam and perhaps meds or therapy.

You know money can be made but it is difficult to accomplish anything online if you are overly emotional about it. You need to think analytically and rationally - and you can't do that if you are chronically depressed and anxious.

Solve your depression/anxiety problem first and then you will be to work online more effectively.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by loma

YES dear EA, there is something wrong with you ! You have a physical disease ! As others here ( mainly female members ?!?) have told you, it is classical anxiety/depression. That's good news

because it is a treatable disease. Would you refuse to take treatment for an infection ? No? Then please go to your doctor and get treatment for your anxiety/depression. You can't think straight when you have a biochemical imbalance in your brain and your sick thoughts only lead to more biochemical imbalance. It is robbing you of your life.

I've been like you and I can attest to the effect of a course of anti-anxiety/depression medication - it gives you a 'breathing space' where you can think clearly again and then move on to get your life back.

Best wishes for your speedy recovery!

Yes I think this is totally true, EA. You dont have any kind of personality defect or its just not the blues your feeling. There is a possibility that you may have Clinical Depression. And this is more of a Physical/Chemical Imbalance.

By the way, we need to get rid of this Stigma that Depression affects weak Minded people with screwed up Personalities. That is HOGWASH.
You Brain is made up of Organic Tissues and Nerve Endings just like any other Organ.
And when your Brain gets this disease called depression it does NOT operate properly and weird, gloomy thoughts can occur for NO REASON at all as a result. AND YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL OVER THIS !!

The good news EA this is totally treatable by Professionals and you can live a happy, normal life.

God Bless you my friend !!

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JDSalinger 14 years ago

EA,

Here, are some things that may help you.

1. Learn to appreciate delayed gratification. So many things in IM take time to come to fruition especially if you don't have money to spend to help get things started and are having to solely rely on free traffic to get going. For example, SEO strategies can take several months before you even know how successful they are. However, once you get a couple that are successful, the fog clears and you can see what is possible. Part of the frustration of young IMers is that they don't see the immediate results and don't see it through. Make sure you are seeing your projects through and you are only evaluating away after enough time has passed like 6 months or a year. Then, you really can honestly say what worked and what didn't. This is also important b/c it will let you know what things you know you can do and what things you can't. This is important when you are choosing other business models as you can choose ones that appeal to your strengths.

a. Also, many people will actually stop IMing for a brief while and get some money saved up to later go back into it when starting out. This is not a terrible strategy either b/c you are doing a job that allows you to get a steady paycheck and plan out what you want to do in IM when you money is saved up. This may be something you should consider.

2. Think about the business models you are choosing. Determine if these are suited for long term or short term success. It is not a bad idea to have both, but recognize you need to have a mixture b/c you want to have some steady income to pay the bills. You should at least have a goal of making $1,000 to $1,500 a month to pay for rent and such if you do not already. Once you have nailed down a base income, you can starting thinking about expanding or going into business models to expand. However, you have to keep focused almost fanatically on getting that base solidified. This is boring, frustrating and aggravating for most people, but you have to get to that level. Once achieved, it will give you a sense of pride, but more importantly you will know that if you could do that, well then you could do something more.

3. Look at your to-do-list each morning. if you don't have a to do list, you should starting making one each night for the next day. When looking at your to do list in the morning, focus on two things on that list that says if I knocked out those, my day would be a success. By focusing on those two first, all the other items on the to do list are much more manageable. Also, even if you end up slacking off the rest of the day, you can take it easy on yourself knowing you did what you had to do for that day.

4. You may need to try to better your home situation. It sounds like there is a lot of negative energy surrounding you. I don't specifically mean your family per se, but just the people around you on a day to day basis here. I won't go all zen on you, but you need to start taking steps to put up barriers to all this negativity. If certain people are bringing you down, you need to reduce your contact with them for your own good, even if they are family. If you need to move out, get involved with a church group or whatever to get away them, do so as early as you can. Many family members will unwittingly sabotage your efforts b/c they are dealing with their own stuff themselves. Instead, it may be a good idea for you to join some type of church group, rec team in your area, a book club, or something else in your area that will let you get away from the house. Make it something you like (or at least is not a negative situation for you) and be inexpensive. As you start to make money, you can then move to other things that are more costly if you like those things.

5. Be proactive. You also need to stop reading all those books and just start thinking about what simple things make you happy and make sure you are doing those things in your life. You need these destressors so that you don't feel your chained to your computer and can keep your emotions in check. For myself, I lift weights and run. This helps clear my head, get the endorphins going, get a little sun and allows me to think in a passive way that lets me sort through all the daily life baggage. For other people, this may be go see a movie, talk with a good friend who makes them feel good about themselves, yoga, meditation, etc. The key is make sure you are doing some things each day that make you feel good. Also, recognize when the negative emotions or depression comes, combat this directly by taking action by doing something you like. It is perfectly ok to take a break every once in a while and then go back later to IM when you are recharged.

6. Remember above all else, the sun will rise again. Whatever happens in your life on any given day, the earth will continue to rotate and the sun will rise again. There is always a good day on the horizon regardless of how bad any one day is. Just the recognition of this can help. It is also a really good idea to have things in your life that you can look forward to, no matter how trivial. This helps deal with the depression as you can say yes this is bad, but I know something good is coming my way soon.

7. If you are doing these things and the depression is still unmanageable after a month or several weeks, consider getting help. You don't have to do anything fancy here like get a psychiatrist which can be very expensive, but you could consider just seeing a basic counselor in your area. The costs are generally very reasonable (anywhere from $80 to $150 an hour) and they can be a great positive source for you. Basically, they can almost act as a life coach where you tell them what is going with your life once a week or once every other week. They can then provide you some ideas and be a great sounding board for your frustrations. It basically provides a place you can go to for a while until you get to a better position with your life.

I wish you all the best and hope to read a year from now that you can't believe how far you have come.
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Scott Ames

14 years ago

Good news. When everything sucks there is no where to go but up.

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Marie Pugh 14 years ago

I just wanted to let you know that you aren't alone. You have already heard from a few who have suffered depression as well - and yes, I am another one.

When you are feeling the way you are, it can be so hard to believe that anything will ever be better. It is hard to focus, you can't figure out simple things - and you can't get over the frustration with yourself because you CAN'T focus, or do the simple things.

It is a vicious circle - but you can get help. Seriously, you said you are about to become a dad. Well, when I started to see myself as someone I didn't want my kids to have to know, I knew I needed help. If you can't do it for yourself, do it for your child.

You will see that once you have the help you need - be it antidepressants, counselling, support groups, all of the above...trust me, everything else will start falling into place.

Once you can start seeing clear again, and start being able to focus, you will be able to go after your goals and you will start seeing the results you are looking for. You can do it - the same as others have done.

Take care of yourself.

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Laura B

14 years ago

I agree with loma. Medication can make a world of difference. Some people don't like to think about medication for depression, but from my own experience, it saved my life, my marriage, my sanity. It made such a change I could hardly believe I was the same person. It really brought home to me the fact that I really did have a physical disease. And once I could quit beating myself up for feeling like such a loser, as if it was my fault I was depressed, it was easier to climb out of the abyss. So please talk to your doctor.

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bbminded

14 years ago

Hi EA, I just read your post and i have to say that i myself also is in the almost same situation as yourself. I was just recently laid off at my job after 4.5 years of busting my ass for the company. Without saying the name of the company, i worked driving a tractor trailer to diff. accounts and hand delivering every peice on the truck(average of 800-1300 peices a day)working 12-18 hour days. The problem was that other employees had jobs of loading the trucks and another person that delivered the loaded truck down to where i live where in which i run a route. well i would get to work in the morning and 4 out of the 5 days a week the load would be dumped over and busted putting me in situations that was causing me to get injured and over tax my body. well i told management, and even took pictures etc. and was told it would be looked into. well after so many years my body started breaking down, so bad to the point that my doctor requested i be put on light duty for a few weeks.
So i told my management and they took me off the truck completely with no pay. My boss had me go to a diff. doctor twice and i had to do two phone interviews with someone. this process took about a month at which point i started freaking out because i had no income and they kept telling me that i was coming back to work at any time.
So after about 6 weeks i had one more phone interview to do which i was told i had to do and then i could come back to work. So i did it and after a few days i got the call from my boss. But instead of being told i could come back to work i was fired with no explanation.
My wife and i had to sell our home and move into a condo.
Im having a real hard time right now like yourself when it comes to my feelings on life and whats fair and not fair. I try to think about how so many other people are alot worse off then me and it helps for a short period of time.
I guess whats so hard is that ive always worked my ass off ever since i started working 15 years ago at the age of 14 and fell into the trucking/delivery business 8 years ago. I started at the bottom with delivering in the beverage industry and worked my way all the way up to the top in the food distribution/delivery. So 8 years of busting my butt to get to the top only to be fired because the job was causing me health issues because other people were to lazy to do there job right. Its depressing to think i worked so hard for nothing. Thank god i have such an amazing wife because otherwise i see no other reason for wanting to even wake up in the morning.

Im sorry if i have rambled on. Actually the reason im on this forum is because about 2 years ago i started looking into and reading about IM. And its been like one of those books you just cant seem to put down. i have so many awesome ideas for websites that i want to do but the problem is that like you i cant seem to keep the doubt from creeping in.
plus, like someone mentioned above, i myself would work alot better with a partner, but i never seem to be able to find one.
Im probably the last person that should be giving any advise since i cant even take my own, i would say that you should def talk to a doctor, only keep positive good people around you and try to avoid facebook type websites(the only reason i say to avoid facebook is because i know that whenever i get on there and see how wonderfull everyones life is that i went to school with,just depresses me even more)..
Ok, ive def gone on way to long. Sorry if i went off topic and didnt help. If you ever want to talk please just private message me. Oh, and one more thing. When your having a hard day working online just think about your baby and the life you want to create for it!!!!

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14 years ago

go to a neurolinguistic programmer

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jjpmarketing

14 years ago

Most will tell you to seek help from professionals. Some will tell you to take this pill or that pill. The fact of the matter is that is only a band aid fix. In order to truly get to the root of the problem, you need to seek as many natural cures as possible for your condition.

Stay away from Psychiatrists as some (not all) will just want to put you on some pills. While this may work for some, it is not the optimal solution.

What you really need in professional terms is either a Psychologist or a Professional Counselor. Essentially someone who will listen to you vent about what is bothering you, provide professional suggestions on how to work out these issues. Instead of just prescribing you a pill to take.

My advice is to focus on the positives in life.

Living life is the cure for not wanting to live life.

Keep positive people around you as much as possible. This means that even if you are related to someone, it doesn't mean you have to be around them. Keep only positive people in your life. Negative people can agitate your condition. Stress can agitate your condition as well.

That brings me to my next tip... Put stress relievers/outlets in your life to basically exfoliate your soul. For some religion helps. For others it may be working out on a regular basis or taking walks in the park. Do whatever works for your personality.

Never, ever, ever buy a gun if you feel suicidal... or any other tool for taking your own life for that matter. If you have these tools available to you, then put them in storage and give someone else, whom you trust, the key. Or better yet sell them or give them away.

Get yourself into a routine. Try to find a routine that allows you to feel good about both yourself and your life.

Start a journal. Sometimes you just need to write things out to get relief. Just keep trying to work things out.

Last and most important tip.

Money is not everything. The pursuit of wealth or financial freedom just isn't worth it, if you are going to feel this way. Some of the happiest people in the world are often dirt poor. Just find what makes you happy and do that. Doesn't matter if you are wealthy or living paycheck to paycheck.

Money and posessions will never equal happiness.

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bbminded

14 years ago

Your def. right about "money and possesions will never equal happiness". Its about doing what you love. But the problem facing me right now is trying to figure out what that is.

Originally Posted by jjpmarketing

Most will tell you to seek help from professionals. Some will tell you to take this pill or that pill. The fact of the matter is that is only a band aid fix. In order to truly get to the root of the problem, you need to seek as many natural cures as possible for your condition.

Stay away from Psychiatrists as some (not all) will just want to put you on some pills. While this may work for some, it is not the optimal solution.

What you really need in professional terms is either a Psychologist or a Professional Counselor. Essentially someone who will listen to you vent about what is bothering you, provide professional suggestions on how to work out these issues. Instead of just prescribing you a pill to take.

My advice is to focus on the positives in life.

Living life is the cure for not wanting to live life.

Keep positive people around you as much as possible. This means that even if you are related to someone, it doesn't mean you have to be around them. Keep only positive people in your life. Negative people can agitate your condition. Stress can agitate your condition as well.

That brings me to my next tip... Put stress relievers/outlets in your life to basically exfoliate your soul. For some religion helps. For others it may be working out on a regular basis or taking walks in the park. Do whatever works for your personality.

Never, ever, ever buy a gun if you feel suicidal... or any other tool for taking your own life for that matter. If you have these tools available to you, then put them in storage and give someone else, whom you trust, the key. Or better yet sell them or give them away.

Get yourself into a routine. Try to find a routine that allows you to feel good about both yourself and your life.

Start a journal. Sometimes you just need to write things out to get relief. Just keep trying to work things out.

Last and most important tip.

Money is not everything. The pursuit of wealth or financial freedom just isn't worth it, if you are going to feel this way. Some of the happiest people in the world are often dirt poor. Just find what makes you happy and do that. Doesn't matter if you are wealthy or living paycheck to paycheck.

Money and posessions will never equal happiness.

Dennis

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Marian 14 years ago

After the rain there is sun. Believe me.

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ozduc

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jjpmarketing

Most will tell you to seek help from professionals. Some will tell you to take this pill or that pill. The fact of the matter is that is only a band aid fix. In order to truly get to the root of the problem, you need to seek as many natural cures as possible for your condition.

Stay away from Psychiatrists as some (not all) will just want to put you on some pills. While this may work for some, it is not the optimal solution.

What you really need in professional terms is either a Psychologist or a Professional Counselor. Essentially someone who will listen to you vent about what is bothering you, provide professional suggestions on how to work out these issues. Instead of just prescribing you a pill to take.

My advice is to focus on the positives in life.

Living life is the cure for not wanting to live life.

Keep positive people around you as much as possible. This means that even if you are related to someone, it doesn't mean you have to be around them. Keep only positive people in your life. Negative people can agitate your condition. Stress can agitate your condition as well.

That brings me to my next tip... Put stress relievers/outlets in your life to basically exfoliate your soul. For some religion helps. For others it may be working out on a regular basis or taking walks in the park. Do whatever works for your personality.

Never, ever, ever buy a gun if you feel suicidal... or any other tool for taking your own life for that matter. If you have these tools available to you, then put them in storage and give someone else, whom you trust, the key. Or better yet sell them or give them away.

Get yourself into a routine. Try to find a routine that allows you to feel good about both yourself and your life.

Start a journal. Sometimes you just need to write things out to get relief. Just keep trying to work things out.

Last and most important tip.

Money is not everything. The pursuit of wealth or financial freedom just isn't worth it, if you are going to feel this way. Some of the happiest people in the world are often dirt poor. Just find what makes you happy and do that. Doesn't matter if you are wealthy or living paycheck to paycheck.

Money and posessions will never equal happiness.

Dennis

Some of the best advice so far.

I would just like to add that as an expectant father, you really need to focus on your child's needs now, not just your own.
For starters your new baby will need lots of love and nurturing for many years to come.
He or she will need material comforts that YOU CAN PROVIDE. You have already proven that you can make money online, in fact
You're already $1674 ahead of a LOT of people on this forum.
Just stop for a moment and think about that.
How great does that make you feel?
It may not be a lot of money BUT you made it! Now all you have to do is ramp up what you did to make that and then make more. Pretty simple huh?
Judging by your post it seems it may not be that simple. I think part of the problem could be the people that are around you. It is very hard to be positive when the people around you are always negative and not enjoying life.
I call it the crabs in the bucket syndrome. If you put a bunch of crabs in a bucket there will always be one that tries to climb on the others to escape the bucket but just as it gets near the rim the others will pull it back down again. Kind of like the saying misery loves company.
So I would suggest that you definitely see a Psychologist or counselor and then try and surround yourself with people that have a more positive outlook on life. Now I am not saying to ditch you mom or anything like that but maybe spend a bit less time with her for a while, until you can get yourself back on track and then who knows some of your new positive outlook on life might just rub off on her and you may not only help yourself but her as well. Wouldn't that be something to look forward to?

Best of luck to you.
I would like to leave you with part one of a video that I find to be amazingly inspirational.

YouTube - Nick Vujicic, No Arms, No Legs, No...

The rest you can find on youtube.

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discrat

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jjpmarketing

Most will tell you to seek help from professionals. Some will tell you to take this pill or that pill. The fact of the matter is that is only a band aid fix. In order to truly get to the root of the problem, you need to seek as many natural cures as possible for your condition.

Stay away from Psychiatrists as some (not all) will just want to put you on some pills. While this may work for some, it is not the optimal solution.

What you really need in professional terms is either a Psychologist or a Professional Counselor. Essentially someone who will listen to you vent about what is bothering you, provide professional suggestions on how to work out these issues. Instead of just prescribing you a pill to take.

My advice is to focus on the positives in life.

Living life is the cure for not wanting to live life.

Keep positive people around you as much as possible. This means that even if you are related to someone, it doesn't mean you have to be around them. Keep only positive people in your life. Negative people can agitate your condition. Stress can agitate your condition as well.

That brings me to my next tip... Put stress relievers/outlets in your life to basically exfoliate your soul. For some religion helps. For others it may be working out on a regular basis or taking walks in the park. Do whatever works for your personality.

Never, ever, ever buy a gun if you feel suicidal... or any other tool for taking your own life for that matter. If you have these tools available to you, then put them in storage and give someone else, whom you trust, the key. Or better yet sell them or give them away.

Get yourself into a routine. Try to find a routine that allows you to feel good about both yourself and your life.

Start a journal. Sometimes you just need to write things out to get relief. Just keep trying to work things out.

Last and most important tip.

Money is not everything. The pursuit of wealth or financial freedom just isn't worth it, if you are going to feel this way. Some of the happiest people in the world are often dirt poor. Just find what makes you happy and do that. Doesn't matter if you are wealthy or living paycheck to paycheck.

Money and posessions will never equal happiness.

Dennis

Iam sorry but please be careful with advice like this. I am not saying it doesnt work. The fact is this does work for many. But if you have been through true Clinical Depression, a Psychologist and all the pep talk you can muster up will NOT help you PERIOD !! Let me give you insight to this disease my friend:
You can literally be having the most wonderful period of your Life. You can be on top of the World and you can feel like a million dollars. You can have beautiful kids a great Life and a strong faith in God and then............all of the sudden BOOM out of nowhere you get this deep, extremely dark cloud come over you for absolutely NO reason at all. Along with this you get an extremely anxious feeling and you can even pinpoint why. But it is a gloomy, dark hole that seems nearly impossible to crawl out of. You cant eat, sleep and its hard to even communicate with others. It can last for days and even weeks at a time. And only until you truly seek out professionals who know what they are doing can you be free of this unwarranted onslaught of a dark and gloomy mental state.

Like I said no amount of Counseling and Psychology will properly deal with this. I know because I have had a very, very close Love one go through it !! This is more physical than Mental. No amount of strong will or being around positive people will deal with certain types of Depression. Trust me !!
And this is coming from a fitness enthusiast who prides himself on staying in shape and using natural stimulants to keep my own self healthy !!

Also you say a Pill is a bandaid ?? Sounds like what Tom Cruise was bantering about. And Where is your Data to conclude this ?? In some cases you are right. But in cases where Medication can balance out a chemical imbalance in your Brain then it is not a band aid. It is a real solution !!
So lets just keep it real here.

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James Campbell

14 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Iam sorry but please be careful with advice like this. I am not saying it doesnt work. The fact is this does work for many. But if you have been through true Clinical Depression, a Psychologist and all the pep talk you can muster up will NOT help you PERIOD !! Let me give you insight to this disease my friend:
You can literally be having the most wonderful period of your Life. You can be on top of the World and you can feel like a million dollars. You can have beautiful kids a great Life and a strong faith in God and then............all of the sudden BOOM out of nowhere you get this deep, extremely dark cloud come over you for absolutely NO reason at all. Along with this you get an extremely anxious feeling and you can even pinpoint why. But it is a gloomy, dark hole that seems nearly impossible to crawl out of. You cant eat, sleep and its hard to even communicate with others. It can last for days and even weeks at a time. And only until you truly seek out professionals who know what they are doing can you be free of this unwarranted onslaught of a dark and gloomy mental state.

Like I said no amount of Counseling and Psychology will properly deal with this. I know because I have had a very close Love one go through it !! This is more physical than Mental. No amount of strong will or being around positive people will deal with certain types of Depression. Trust me !!

Also you say a Pill is a bandaid ?? Sounds like what Tom Cruise was bantering about. And Where is your Data to conclude this ?? In some cases you are right. But in cases where Medication can balance out a chemical imbalance in your Brain then it is not a band aid. It is a real solution !!
So lets just keep it real here.

Being from this field and having done quite a bit of research, CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) has been proven to be the most effective treatment for Clinical Depression.

Many of the drugs have horrible track records either with inconsistent results, making the depression worse, or in some cases years after the drug has been on the market the research was shown that the placebo in the research phase were actually MORE effective than the drug itself.

Drugs are right for a few people, but for the majority of people, seeing a Psychologist who specializes in CBT, a nutritionist to modify your diet and regular physical exercise will have DRASTICALLY greater results than any pill.

Drugs and pills treat symptoms, not causes for most people. Behavior Modification and lifestyle changes treat the actual cause of the symptoms in the first place.

You would be surprised how corrupt the whole system is, especially when it comes to pushing pills. The doctors do it because they don't know any better, they haven't learned anything else, and most simply don't have the time (and in some cases the will) to learn, and practice what really works.

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pkornmann 14 years ago

Please seek professional help. I also was in a deep depression several years ago. It took me some time and a threat by a family member to have me committed before I finally sought medical help. You need counseling, maybe medication and positive people around you. All of things are put together to help you heal. You can feel better.
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Kella Bella

14 years ago

HI Ea! First of all I think it's very brave of you to share your story. I really feel for you and BB. I wanted to take a moment though and talk with you about options for getting help. I agree that medicine alone cannot fix problems for people. I also think that therapy really is just a way for someone to help you learn coping tools in life that maybe you didn't learn yourself. It's no wonder you couldn't because from what you have said people who are in your family do not cope well with life in general. So sometimes that trickles down to you and a lot of times if you want to see a doctor which would be a great idea remember that if a doctor wants to medicate you it may not be forever. Lots of times the medicine works for you to enable you to go through the therapy of learning how to change your behaviors. You mentioned that you want to change you behaviors and make them more productive and successful for you which is great!

I get a sense you feel guilty about being depressed as well and wanted you to know that lots of times depression really is a chemical imbalance in the body so try to go easy on yourself and don't be too hard on yourself about that. Last time I talked to my doctor I think he said 60% of most americans were being treated for some form of depression so you are definitely not alone. You mentioned your heart racing which makes me think that you may have some kind of panic disorder as well. This can go hand in hand with depression and lots of times makes us incapable of taking action. I have some great news for you though! Many people can get better with those two issues seeking help from trained professionals who have great experience in the areas of mental disorders.

I found a few websites that you can contact who can help you get started on the road to recovery if you would like to use them :-)

NAMI: National Alliance on Mental Illness - Mental Health Support, Education and Advocacy -they have some great resources and can even help you get in touch with someone locally who can help guide you to a doctor or clinic specializing in your issues.

iFred: Help - A Balanced Approach -they have a section on getting immediate help and looks like they have some great resources.

Don't forget too that most counties in the US if you are here have a county mental health dept and they can usually help you or refer you to someone who can.

People care about you. We do because you are worthy, no matter how many mistakes you feel you have made, of caring and concern. Please promise us that if you think of harming yourself that you will contact someone. Feeling alone and in despair is about the worst thing in life and you don't have to feel that way any longer just keep reaching out like you did here and you will be amazed at the goodness you find in people wanting to help you get better. You deserve that and you are worth every effort :-) Congratulations as well on the baby. That's a good reason to want to better yourself and definitely worth the work it may take to change those old patterns as well as the rewards that come with it.

I am going to keep you in my prayers and I hope that if things get worse you will let someone know so that they can help you and remember that you are a precious soul and you deserve help and happiness in life. Take care and hugs!

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Istvan Horvath

14 years ago

Originally Posted by precious007

If you're willing to see a psychiatrist
then I can only say one thing : DON'T !

I'm so nervous to see these guys giving out
pills like they're giving candy to a baby.
Pills are not the solution to your problems momentarily,
what you need to do is fight !

In reality what you're going through now,
either if it's depression, anxiety or BOTH ...
It's a behavior that you have learned to
live with and nothing else..

Total crap.

It is not behaviour. It is a chemical imbalance and the right pills help.
It is an illness. If you have TB, you "fight" it or you treat it with medication?

If you don't want to see doctors or you don't want to take medication - that's fine. Just don't give the worst possible advice to the poor man in a situation like this.

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MerlynSanchez

14 years ago

I am so sorry to read about your situation. I urge you to get help as soon as possible.

And PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE WHO IS TELLING YOU NOT TO SEEK MENTAL HEALTH ASSISTANCE. They are not medical professionals, and even if they were, they would not diagnose you on a forum!

You should see a physician who can rule out any physical reasons for your feelings and can then refer you to the right professional, be it a psychiatrist or psychologist.

If someone is having suicidal thoughts as you have mentioned then you need immediate help. While some of the suggestions given to you such as natural remedies, establishing routines, exercise, etc., might help for a mild case of the "blues" they are not for someone who is having thoughts of suicide.

Please get help!

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bbminded

14 years ago

I really have to disagree with people saying that pills will be the answer to fix you. Because of my situation i was put on pills that now im addicted to and im at the point now, like i said early, that i just want to go to sleep tonight and not wake up. ive just lost all hope:confused:

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Kella Bella

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bbminded

I really have to disagree with people saying that pills will be the answer to fix you. Because of my situation i was put on pills that now im addicted to and im at the point now, like i said early, that i just want to go to sleep tonight and not wake up. ive just lost all hope:confused:

I don't think anyone was saying pills alone will fix the problem but a lot of times, specifically with depression mixed with anxiety it can calm a person down long enough to start practicing therapy techniques to change the mindset people who are depressed have of beating themselves up, feeling guilty and/or feeling like they have lost all options.

You mentioned that you were in a lot of pain, are you addicted to pain pills? If so and if they are depressing you too (lots of pain pills can be downers btw) then you still have other options......so it would definitely be a good idea to check with a doctor and try to get your meds changes and see if that works for awhile :-)

Edited to add: If you are asking EA to pm he hasn't had enough posts yet to pm anyone so it might be a better option to maybe leave an email addy :-)

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bbminded

14 years ago

thank you Kella,
yes, its a mixture of pain and anxiety meds. But also my hormones are out of wack as a result of my previous job so i have to medicate for this issue as well. Im confused because ive always worked so hard and ethical and as a result i was just tossed out as a nobody. Whats the point of hard work when you can just be replaced?? I guess those are just the things going through my head. thank you for your concern though kella. it does help!

Originally Posted by Kella Bella

I don't think anyone was saying pills alone will fix the problem but a lot of times, specifically with depression mixed with anxiety it can calm a person down long enough to start practicing therapy techniques to change the mindset people who are depressed have of beating themselves up, feeling guilty and/or feeling like they have lost all options.

You mentioned that you were in a lot of pain, are you addicted to pain pills? If so and if they are depressing you too (lots of pain pills can be downers btw) then you still have other options......so it would definitely be a good idea to check with a doctor and try to get your meds changes and see if that works for awhile :-)

Edited to add: If you are asking EA to pm he hasn't had enough posts yet to pm anyone so it might be a better option to maybe leave an email addy :-)

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Kella Bella

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bbminded

thank you Kella,
yes, its a mixture of pain and anxiety meds. But also my hormones are out of wack as a result of my previous job so i have to medicate for this issue as well. Im confused because ive always worked so hard and ethical and as a result i was just tossed out as a nobody. Whats the point of hard work when you can just be replaced?? I guess those are just the things going through my head. thank you for your concern though kella. it does help!

Hugs ya :-) I was thinking maybe it would be a good idea to write down all of your meds and show them to your doctor all at once if you haven't yet and see what they think about maybe changing your regimen to something that works better or at least trying something to see if it works better.

About the job issue-it's unfortunate but it happens a lot these days. I don't have your answer there but I know sometimes we can get stuck wondering why did this happen or thinking I can't believe they did this when just accepting (and yeah I know "just accepting" isn't always that easy) that it DID.......helps us move on to the next step in life which usually can be better and give us more opportunities to grow and learn. I just really hope that you will seek more help if you still feel this way. I know there is help out there, and I know there are people willing to help you so if you don't then take my word for it and look around okay. Life's too short to be unhappy. :-)

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bbminded

14 years ago

your def right....The timing sucked as far as losing my job but i knew that i would eventually have to make a change anyways. One thing i do beleive in is that things happen for a reason. My wife and i were trying to sell our house before all this went down and with no success. And then i get sick, lose my job, and we get an offer on our house and accept it. funny how it all just worked out. I guess im just trying to figure out who i am and what i really want to do with my life. I enjoy IM and have alot of great ideas but i just cant seem to get myself going on them. But i guess if its meant to be it will happen. Hopefully ill find a business partner because ive always worked well with others. plus im the type of person who likes to please and cant let people down. but again, thank you kella for talking with me and the OP. You have made me feel better tonight!

Originally Posted by Kella Bella

Hugs ya :-) I was thinking maybe it would be a good idea to write down all of your meds and show them to your doctor all at once if you haven't yet and see what they think about maybe changing your regimen to something that works better or at least trying something to see if it works better.

About the job issue-it's unfortunate but it happens a lot these days. I don't have your answer there but I know sometimes we can get stuck wondering why did this happen or thinking I can't believe they did this when just accepting (and yeah I know "just accepting" isn't always that easy) that it DID.......helps us move on to the next step in life which usually can be better and give us more opportunities to grow and learn. I just really hope that you will seek more help if you still feel this way. I know there is help out there, and I know there are people willing to help you so if you don't then take my word for it and look around okay. Life's too short to be unhappy. :-)

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Kella Bella

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bbminded

your def right....The timing sucked as far as losing my job but i knew that i would eventually have to make a change anyways. One thing i do beleive in is that things happen for a reason. My wife and i were trying to sell our house before all this went down and with no success. And then i get sick, lose my job, and we get an offer on our house and accept it. funny how it all just worked out. I guess im just trying to figure out who i am and what i really want to do with my life. I enjoy IM and have alot of great ideas but i just cant seem to get myself going on them. But i guess if its meant to be it will happen. Hopefully ill find a business partner because ive always worked well with others. plus im the type of person who likes to please and cant let people down. but again, thank you kella for talking with me and the OP. You have made me feel better tonight!

Thanks that made me smile big! My job is done for the day-wo0t! hehe I'm glad you feel better.

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Chris Koltai 14 years ago

Been there man, and it sucks.

First things first: Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

There are tons of reasons to keep going, chief among them the fact that you're about to be a father. You don't want your kid growing up without a dad, especially one he or she never got to know.

Obviously, you need to get your head on straight, but I know that's easier said than done. I wish I could offer you something more specific, but I don't know you as a person, so all I can give you is some general info on what I've done to get myself back on track when I've been feeling low.

I'd suggest, for starters, that you take a couple of days off. Pick the thing that you love most, and do that for a while. Don't worry about your business for at least 48 hours. You need to remember the reasons why you want to keep living.

Next is time for mindset adjustment, part 1. First of all, don't get a negative mindset over your negative mindset, that just causes an endless loop. If you find yourself thinking negative, relax about it. No one is all sunshine and roses 100% of the time. Be OK with the fact that you're going to have fears, doubts, dislikes, and bouts of laziness. When you catch yourself in those kinds of thought patterns, acknowledge them, but realize that there's a positive response to every one of them. Fears give you perspective, doubts give you insight into potential holes in your game and remind you of things you need to pay attention to, dislikes remind you that this is a job and it's not going to be all giggles and unicorns, and bouts of laziness remind you that you're a human being and not the WORKOTRON 9000.

Then comes mindset adjustment part 2. This is where we suck it up and keep going. We realize that everyone is a failure until they succeed, and that every personal failure we have is a lesson in success if we're willing to embrace it and treat it as such. We know that if bills start mounting and our online income isn't matching it, getting a part time job isn't out of the question, and certainly doesn't mean we've failed. Most importantly, we remember that we have a damn good reason for doing this in the first place. For me, it's because I want to provide my amazing girlfriend (and myself) with the best life possible, and when we decide to start a family, I don't want to miss a single moment of it because I'm chasing a promotion or covering someone's shift. It's because I realize that life is too short to spend your best years in servitude to a corporation, only to retire on a meager income with declining health and more years behind you than ahead. Maybe your reasons are different, maybe they're the same, but either way, they're there.

The last step is organization. We figure out why we feel like we're failing, why our business might be underperforming, and what we can do to fix it. Then, out comes the to do list. It gets sorted according to priority, and every item gets sorted into actionable single tasks. When I first get back to work, I want to be checking a box every 20 minutes or so to remind myself that I am constantly moving forward on this. Once I get through my checklist, I take a day off to celebrate. Then, the day after that, I create a new checklist. This pattern keeps going until it doesn't need to anymore. Checklists are great in this business since we usually don't get much indication of progress until our site either starts making money or flops completely in some way. With a checklist you know you're at least keeping momentum going.

Finally, if none of that stuff is making you feel any better, get yourself to a doctor. Whether it's a psychiatrist, psychologist, naturopath or general practitioner, you're gonna want to talk to someone professional about how you're feeling. Your choice of medical professional, but see someone. If you're religious, it wouldn't hurt to talk to your local priest/reverend/rabbi/imam/sufi/monk/insert religious leader type here either. In any case, I wish you nothing but the best, and I hope you feel better soon.
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  I will continue reading what you have posted for me. I will continue to reply to the support and comments I will receive here. I really can't thank you enough and I will welcome all comments to this thread and I have done my best to reply to all of you and personally and this is coming straight from my heart I can't thank you enough.. and it's strange I've been crying like a little baby reading all these comments thank you so much and to be honest...
  
  I don't feel depressed. I feel anxiety and I feel fears and doubts and I'm really happy I made this post here.. but what really sucks is going from product to product and not knowing what direction to take even thought I know what it takes to make $ online. I already have a lot of knowledge it's hard to know where to start and doubts starts to crawl in among doubts and other things..
  
  I really want to make this happen and I must admit I don't have a lot of positive people around me. I have always care about others and I have always wanted to do the best for people around me. I tried to help my mom, I tried to help my sisters, I tried to.. but and it's quite some time ago I realized I can't help them and I need to start focusing on "ME" I really want to make my dreams possible and seriously it's hard to describe it with words how grateful I am for every single comment that's been written here and will be written here. I'm so grateful for all your kind words.
  
  I agree my mindset sucks. It's just like some people have some magical can-do power and there is nothing stopping them to make their dreams and goals come true. The truth is there is much more to my story then I told I've really been going through hell but I will never give up! Because I'm not a quitter and I accept all your advice & help.
  
  Thank you so much. I really can't describe this with my own words. The truth is I'm stuck. Doubts, yes, Fear, yes.. I'm willing to do what it takes and I'm accepting help. Just like TimG said. There is no shame to ask for help. It's great to have friends like you because I can feel it all the way through my entire mind and body the people in here who have given their time and comments really have a good soul and heart.
  
  Thank you! I can't say it enough but really THANK YOU!
  
  @Laura B: First I want to thank you. I‘m seeing doctors regularly because of two accidents I had and I‘ve been on pills and seeking professional doctor who only care about making money seriously how do I know once I went with my girlfriend for appointment and he was telling her to start hair business and the first appointment he wrote prescription pills for epilepsy which I‘m not and I just said NO! It‘s just been like living in hell and I don‘t feel depressed anymore. I truly don‘t. I do smile just last night it was something cooking inside me which made me take this action and I‘m really thankful I did that. I want to thank you again for your comment and support it means alot to me.
  
  @Brad Spencer: First of thank you. I forgot to mention your name above I believe you are great man who have contribute value to this forum. I will post this quote on my computer screen from Winston Churchill. Thanks again Brad, really. Thank you for your comment.
  
  @Teresa Coppes: Thank you for your comment. I‘m seeing doctors regularly because of two accidents and I‘ve been going through hell. But really. Thank you so much for your support.
  @friend: Thank you for your comment.
  
  @nando1125: Thank you for your kind comments.
  
  @greenowl123: Thank you. I understand millions of people in this world have less than I have. I donate money each month which is taken from my cellphone and donate to others who have less and I will donate more both of my time and especially to help others in this world because what I believe is everyone black or white have the same rights in this world and so do poor and rich have. Thank you again for your kind words.
  
  @Dennis Gaskill: Thank you so much for all your time and words. Of course everyone who replied here and commented here I thank you also for your time, thank you. It‘s just Dennis Gaskill the doubt which hurts my progress. But really thank you so much for all your kind words.
  
  @Rane: Thanks for your advice and kind words. I don‘t feel depressed. I was depressed and I really know what depression is it‘s just I am not doing or trying, not taking enough action I already know a lot and have a whole sea of Internet marketing knowledge. It‘s frustrated to be like this but thank you for your comments.
  
  @Zeze: Thank you so much for the bottom of my heart. I truly mean it. Thank you.
  @Lou Diamond: It would be great to have a mentor but I already know a lot it‘s the in action, doubts and fear. I would really love to have a honest and kind person who‘s willing to help me out because I already have a lot of knowledge it‘s just what should I do to move closer to my success. Thank you for your comment and good luck with everything I can see on your picture that you are a great man.
  
  @Joesemo: Thank you for your comment. Yes depression I‘ve really been there and done that it was just last night I needed to get these feeling here on this forum because there are so many really great people here. I mean people who actually care about others. I‘ve already written articles for money. I still doubt I can do it even though ezine articles have always accept my articles. It‘s not the direction I want to take but to be honest I thank you for your advice and comment. I wish you all the best in life.
  
  @Anthony2: I truly believe I have a lot of value to offer to this world but I don‘t wan‘t to be like the gurus. I just want to be honest and real. But thank you very much for your comment. I really mean it.
  
  @czilbersher: Thank you for your kind words. Thank you.
  
  @nando1125: I‘ve been told that. Thank you so much for your kind comment.
  
  @Istvan Horvath: Thank you so much for your advice and comment.
  
  @BlueSquares: Thank you for your comment.
  
  @Marhelper: Thank you for your advice and comment.
  
  @Ioma: Thank you for your advice and comment.
  
  @Scott Ames: Thank you so much for your comment you made me smile.
  
  @Laura B: You‘re a wonderful women. To be honest. My depression was really terrible but I really believe it‘s gone. I have not felt depressed for a long time. Last night it was more I had to do this! I thank you for all your nice words. You‘re such a great women and I wish you all the gratitude in the world. I also wish the others who have given their time and comments the best in life, great people.
  
  @Kay King: I really love I‘ll be a father for the first time in my life it‘s just feelings, anxiety feelings like I want the child to be proud of who I am, I want the child to look up to me. You say professional help. I already have been going through a lot and learn a lot. Last night when I was going to sleep I thought I needed to open myself here and tell others how I feel because there are so many great people here. About the depression. I was really bad one time but now I don‘t feel depressed. It‘s the honest truth. Thank you for your comments and time.
  
  @Marie Pugh: Thank you so much for your time and comment. Yes it‘s been a vicious circle and I do understand what you mean and of course I want to do everything for my child. Thanks again and take care of yourself too.
  
  @bbminded: I read everything you said. Thanks for sharing the story with me. Thanks for your time and comment. I really mean it. Thank you.
  
  @zorus: Thanks for your comment and the yellow smile guy.
  
  @jjpmarketing: Thank you for your comment and kind words. I actually don‘t like taking pills I‘m really against them. I took depression pills for few months, quit taking them and depressions started to arise again within me these times where really hard for me but I was able to push through ‚em. I then started to take them again, quit again and after that my depression has gone, I don‘t at all feel depressed but the fear, doubts and in action – sucks. But really thanks for your great comment and about negative people, well let‘s just say I don‘t have strong positive people around me, it sucks.
  
  @bbminded: Thanks for your comments.
  
  @precious007: I forgot to mention your name in my thanks i‘ve seen your posts around and you are truly a great person well that‘s what I believe. You asked why don‘t I see a doctor I‘ve been meeting with all kinds of doctors and I am seeing doctor reglarly. I believe I‘m close or in same place you was in with your anxiety and I‘ve been trying to read, read, read positive books, files, quotes you name it. I‘m really proud of the post I posted here because you and so many others are such great people. It‘s hard to thank all the people enough for all their kind comments. Thanks again for your comments.
  
  @Marian: Thank you so much for your kind words. It‘s so true after the rain there is sun. Thank you.
  
  @discrat: Thank you for your comments.
  
  @ozduc: I am going to focus on my child when it‘s born. There is no doubt about it. I will nurture it and give it all the love I have and gratitude just like I respect honest and kind people. I am willing to help others and give value to this world that‘s how I‘m made. That‘s how my soul is I really care for others. Yes. I‘ve made $1674 plus more. I was proud going to the bank and I‘m receiving more money soon from my Internet activities it‘s just I fail to plan, I fail to finish, I have doubts, I have fears and it‘s the inaction. How great does it feel? It feels great thanks for remind me. Thanks for your kind words. Really like what you said about the bucket syndrome about the crabs. I feel you‘re a great PERSON! Thanks for sharing this video. I‘ve watch it before maybe I need to watch this video daily. Thank you.
  
  @Kella Bella: What a wonderful women you are. Thank you so much for your advice and kind comments. Thank you. It‘s great to know there are people like you in this world and it‘s great to see all the comments and response from all the wonderful people here. I really can‘t thank em enough.
  
  @discrat: Thank you for your time and comment.
  
  @Istvan Horvath: Thank you so much for your time and comments. I believe you are a great person.
  
  @MerlynSanchez: Thank you for your comments. Thank you so much.
  
  @discrat: Thank you.
  
  @cma01: Just looking at your display pictures makes me smile. Thank you for all your kind words, advice and comments. I‘m going to read your comment and other comments in this thread again and again. I can‘t tell you how thankful I am for all the support and comments I‘m getting here I want to use the opportunity and thank you and others. Really. I‘m such thankful for it. Thank you, Thank you!
  
  @bbminded: Thank you for your comment.
  
  @mikemcmillan: I‘ve been going through terrible things and went through my period of depression. What I did was just sleep, woke up in harsh reality and so on.. I went in therapy, I met with doctors and it all helped me and I stop feeling for depression. Thank you for your kind words and comments. It‘s just there are so many streets to travel in Internet marketing, fear and doubts crawl in and even I have the knowledge and know a lot but don‘t know everything and I‘m always willing to learn it‘s the inaction and what direction I should go or take. Thanks again for your kind words. I really mean it.
  
  @Skid_Roe: Congratulations with your daughter. I‘m really looking forward for this moment and I really want my baby to be proud of me. Thank you so much for your kind words. It‘s great that you are taking action and moving forward with your life. Thank you so much again for everything. Thanks.
  
  @Kella Bella: Thank you so much again for your time and comment.
  
  @MerlynSanchez: Thank you so much for everything. Thank you.
  
  @TimG: I forgot to mention your name you have given value to this community it‘s time to thank you for it. I truly believe inside my heart that you care about others and have a big heart with a lot to give and I can‘t thank you enough for being such a great person, thank you so much you are like the rock.
  
  To be honest TimG. In action sucks especially when there is nothing else I want to do then Internet marketing. I have the knowledge it‘s hard to know what direction I should take I believe if I had the right teacher, positive people around me I could start to see the light and really make it happen for me. Because inside myself I have feelings on fire who really wants to make this work. Seriously and I know I have to overcome my fear and doubts and by making this post it was such a relief and I can‘t thank you enough TimG for giving me your support and kind words. And I‘ve been ashamed to seek help.
  
  I‘ll admit it. It‘s just hard when you have so many products to know what direction you should take. I‘m never going to act like the gurus, take people money and run with it. I want to be the ONE that is REAL, the one that is STRUGGLING, the one who makes this work because I want to be able to teach others and why because I believe people deserve all the gratitude and honesty world can give.
  
  Thank you so much TimG and everyone. I can‘t thank you enough.
  
  @bbminded: Thanks again for your comments.
  
  @James Cambell: Thank you for your advice and comments.
  
  @JDSalinger: I‘m so thankful for what you wrote even thought I‘ve read a lot and know a lot what you mean. It´s really a refreshener to read this and I‘m so grateful and thankful for your comment and time. Thank you so much I truly believe you‘re a great person and I wish you all the best in life.
  
  @Kella Bella: Thanks for your comments and kind words.
  
  @bbminded: Thank you for your comments.
  
  @Kella Bella: Thank you for your comments again.
  
  @chickenlittle: Just your name makes me smile. Thank you so much for all your kind words and advice. I will read this again and again. I really can‘t say thank you enough but really thank YOU!
  
  @mark_109: Thank you for your comment.
  
  @biotechie: Thank you for your kind comment.
  
  @atviking: I wish you the best in life and all the gratitude and thank you for your kind words.
  @Magic Mel: Thanks for your kind words. I would love to have a mentor who is willing and have open heart and honest. I respect people who are honest and kind. Yes I agree it‘s hard to do this Internet marketing beast alone I would love to have positive friends to help me out. I will never let my baby suffer or my girlfriend because it‘s not an option. It‘s true this business is not for everyone but I believe I can make this happen. I believe I CAN DO IT. But I agree I would love mentoring help.
  
  @veritable: Thank you.
  
  @Chris Koltai: I can‘t say thank you enough, thinking about suicide is not a good thing but inside I believe I would never commit it I had once terrible feelings inside me that was really hard to fight and control but eventually I overcame it and when I was born I was my mom and dad miracle child and I would never commit suicide and I can‘t tell how grateful I am for all the great people in this forum. The world would be a much better place if everyone has the heart as many warriors here which I do respect for giving value to this forum and not only that but also for their willingness to help others.
  
  I can‘t thank you enough for what you wrote and I will continue reading what you write and others write and I will continue to reply and say thanks to people who give their time and comment on this. I will read what you post again and again, thank you so much for sharing what you wrote. Thank you.
  
  .. Finally from the bottom of my heart to everyone. Thank you so much for everything. I will accept your support, kind words and help. Really, thanks again.
  
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  Mike Anthony 14 years ago
  
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  Thank you! I can't say it enough but really THANK YOU!
  
  @Laura B: First I want to thank you.
  
  Wow one of the most impressive posts I have ever seen on Warriors. You went through every one and thanked them. I'm not saying this to give you any rah-rah moment. This is dead serious.
  
  If you have that level of attention to detail and resolve to be thankful to others you DO HAVE what it takes to make it in IM. You just need a plan that fits that long term focused mentality you ALREADY have. You need to find something you can help people with and build a list around it. If you are as attentive as you were to the people who you thanked in this thread you will develop a killer reputation and a very responsive list.
  
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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Since you mentioned my name (thanks) let me tell you...

I have been where you are, though I rarely ever talk about it anymore. In
fact, this may come as a shock to many people here.

The details don't matter. My life was one long hell in many areas until I
finally became successful at what I do now.

Point is, I got through it. I don't know how, but I did. And while I was able
to do it on my own without professional help, you may need to see somebody
because every person is different.

I won't even attempt to offer any kind of "professional" advice because this
is a dangerous area to be messing with people. You'll figure out, on your
own, what you need to do.

I wish you a very speedy resolution to this problem.
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- Jill Carpenter 14 years ago
  
  "suicidal thoughts" are nothing to sneeze at.
  
  Please look into some local counseling. Go and be with live people today.
  
  You may be pawning it off as anxiety, but these things can cross over into other things if you let them go too long.
  
  Please, please, go get some help today.
  
  We can say nice things to you here, and tell you we sympathize, but none of us are equip to really know how to help you in this state, and most certainly not online.
  
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- CatherineMay 14 years ago
  
  EA, I am one of those people who would be very satisfied and happy if I could say after a year of trying I had made $1674 instead of about $9.
  
  I know what it's like to be overwhelmed by all the information, and all the different possibilities for how to make money. I think this is exactly why I'm in the boat I'm in now...I continue to get distracted by the latest claim of how to make $100 a day in a month's time, or stuff like that.
  
  I'm trying very hard right now to narrow my focus. One thing I've started doing is, which sounds very elementary, is that I start my day by writing down in order of importance what I need to work on, and how much time I should allot to each task. I keep the list by my laptop, so I can't avoid seeing it. But I add in time for getting away from the computer for 15-20 intervals in order to take a walk, do some housework, call somebody on the phone, meditate and pray, etc.
  
  I also know about anxiety. I've just turned 58, and for various reasons I won't relate, need very much to be bringing in some real money, hopefully by the end of the summer. I was a homemaker who did not develop a career outside the home, although I could have if I had really tried. Now, I have just several months left before things get really difficult. My husband of 25 years and I have been separated for the last couple of years, and last year a divorce looked to be unavoidable, although he has never stopped financially supporting me. Even though we are now looking at a reconciliation, a miracle in itself (miracles do happen!), I really, really need to make my own money. At my age, I don't have many options.
  
  But I believe we help those miracles along IF we are truly in our hearts and minds open to things getting better. I've had to ask myself hard questions, such as what do I think I really deserve? What in my childhood or past history has contributed to this mindset that accepts failure and under-achievement, and difficult relationships?
  
  You sound like a young person who has his whole life ahead of him. Treasure each day! Seek whatever help you need in terms of doctors or help with the internet, take a walk, and think about the wonderful experiences you will have with the little child who is coming into life. Tremendous joy can come from just pushing a child on a swing. You have so much to look forward to!
  
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JAIDEEP2959 14 years ago

Forget about Suicide.

In underdeveloped counties, people living below poverty line are earning less than you, but still continue living.

Firstly go to the Doctor and explain your problem.

You can get rid of some of your stuff by selling it on eBay and making some money out of it.

If you can offer people services like article writing, graphics or video creation, post in Warriors for hire section of this forum.

Otherwise, look for another job as per your academic qualification.

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MerlynSanchez

14 years ago

If you are going through this situation then you are obviously on the wrong medication or treatment regimen. Depression is not always easy to resolve and some people need to try several different treatment plans before they get better.

Pills aren't a magical cure-all but can help stabilize a person enough so they can start integrating other approaches into their lives. If you just depend on pills and don't change your thoughts and behaviors then you'll probably end up in the same situation.

Please get help if you feel like you've lost all hope! It isn't easy but there is help out there.

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I really have to disagree with people saying that pills will be the answer to fix you. Because of my situation i was put on pills that now im addicted to and im at the point now, like i said early, that i just want to go to sleep tonight and not wake up. ive just lost all hope:confused:

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discrat

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Total crap.

It is not behaviour. It is a chemical imbalance and the right pills help.
It is an illness. If you have TB, you "fight" it or you treat it with medication?

If you don't want to see doctors or you don't want to take medication - that's fine. Just don't give the worst possible advice to the poor man in a situation like this.

Istvan, I hate to say it but it is a losing battle. These people who are going on and on about ONLY seeking positive natural stimulants from the environment and talking with others about their problems etc..etc... have just NOT experienced Clinical Depression in a first hand matter.

They just haven't.

Now I am not saying the OP has it but he needs to go to a medical professional to determine that. Especially with suicidal thoughts..

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Chris C.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

Total crap.

It is not behaviour. It is a chemical imbalance and the right pills help.
It is an illness. If you have TB, you "fight" it or you treat it with medication?

If you don't want to see doctors or you don't want to take medication - that's fine. Just don't give the worst possible advice to the poor man in a situation like this.

Happiness is also a chemical imbalance but you don't need pills to get rid of it. All you need is some really depressing negative thoughts. I believe, it's the same way with depression. Change your mind, change your life.

Also, a lot of times those pills increase suicidal thoughts. I saw a commercial for an anti-depressant the other day. And when they were going through the list of all the side effects that it could have. Believe or not, they actually said, " IN SOME CASES, TAKING ------- MAY INCREASE SUICIDAL THOUGHTS"

In my mind I was thinking, are you serious?

However, I feel where you are coming from EA. I've been in IM for a couple years now, and I haven't even made a $1000 dollars yet, so you should be proud of that. I mean to be honest, life isn't all peaches and roses for me either. I'm unemployed and broke. I have a lot of things to be depressed about going on in my life right now. I feel that I'm not where I should be. What I do to keep myself positive is that I constantly think of all the things that I am grateful for every morning when I wake up, and every night before I go to bed. When ever I get down on my situation I keep this in mind.

Everyday, I also tell myself that the situation is only temporary, and that everyday in every way my life is getting better and better; I am getting better and better. When people ask me how my day is I tell them that it is going great in hopes that it will get there and in hopes that I will actually believe it pretty soon.

I also try to smile where ever I go, and I try not to complain about my situation. Basically I'm faking it until I make it. But I figure, this is a much faster route to happiness than constantly feeling sorry for myself.

Hope this helped a little and hope everything is ok

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cma01

14 years ago

EA,

It sounds like you are having an anxiety attack. Sometimes when we are going through one really hard trial in our life, it can color everything else in it.

As far as internet marketing goes, it should be a positive in your life rather than a negative. You say you've only made $1,600. That is $1,600 more than many people have made. You may not have already achieved your end goal, but you are definitely on your way.

You know what you need to do. You know how to do it. And you've already gotten tangible results. Just keep at it.

As for your personal problems you're going through right now, this is what I want you to do.

Put on some relaxing music, sit down on the ground, close your eyes and just breathe deeply in and out for 10 minutes. The 10 minutes doesn't start until you push everything out of your mind that is making it race. Imagine whatever relaxes you.

Then I want you to go outside and walk in the sunshine. Again, this isn't a time to focus on your problems, it is a time to notice and be aware of what is around you.

Next, sit down and make a list of everything in your life that you are thankful for.

And finally, I want you to look at this problem you are dealing with. Write down what the situation is. Write down what the worst thing that could happen regarding it would be. And then write down if the worst happened, what you would do then.

We worry about the worst, but the "after" the worst isn't usually as bad as the worry we put into it.

If there is something you can do to address the situation, do it. If not, remember we can't control everything in life. All we have control over is our response to it.

And practically, make sure that you get at least 8 hours of sleep. Try to go to bed no later than 10 pm. Eat breakfast every day, and if you have a habit of eating junk food . . . don't. Cut out sugar, it is the fastest way to put additional stress on your body. Get out and get regular exercise.

Our mind and body are intertwined. While you can't control external circumstances, sometimes taking care of yourself physically can change your mental perspective.

While I'm not a big advocate of medication, if you continue to feel depressed and have anxiety attacks, please do not hesitate to get help. Sometimes the only way you will get past the depression is with medication to get you over the worst patch.

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mikemcmillan

14 years ago

Several years ago I went though a terrible period of loss in my life and went through a period of depression. All I wanted to do was sleep, because when I woke up the harsh reality of my situation was to much to bear. I went to a psychiatrist for 6 months, did therapy, and was on medication. It all helped and eventually I came out of it more or less cured.

But don't ever let people tell you depression is all in your head. It's biochemical, it's metabolic, it causes real physical changes. Most of all, sometimes I think depression is a natural response to the crazy mixed up world we live in. You're not abnormal and you're not weak in any way. Get some help and try to talk with people. Be around people--friends, they can help.

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Matthew Shane Roe

14 years ago

EA, bro I know what you mean. I used to feel the same way up until april third of 2009. What happened? My daughter was born! That precious child is what motivated me to fight for my lifestyle freedom. I will admit I do slip into the old me on occassion and when that happens I drop everything and I spend an hour with my daughter and it reminds me how I made it this far in my carreer choice as well as what I am fighting for. I am not sure if anyone else has says this or not and I am not trying to turn this into a religous topic but another stepping stone and the biggest one I took was asking God for help. I asked him to help change me and here I am sitting on around $500 a month extra as well as one working on one of the biggest stepping stones I will have in my career. I will pray for you for whatever you need and }od willing it will happen.

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14 years ago

Someone pointed out that you can't do PM yet. You can email me at mrskidroe @ gmail . com or add me on skype. My id their is reddirtpaintball.

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TimG

14 years ago

Been away from the Warrior Forum for a few weeks working on a product launch and now that I'm back this was the first thread I read from top to bottom.....very emotional and though provoking.

EA, I'm sure you know that being depressed sucks....heck, I'm willing to bet we all know that feeling because it can strike anyone at anytime even when you think your life is at its high point and clearly at the low points.

The most important thing is to take life day by day and to keep your chin up. It does get better and the recommendation of going to see a doctor and possibly getting soe medication isn't a bad idea that should be ignored. The fact is, it could and probably will help your situation.

I've personally dealt with my own depression demons especially after I retired from the military after 21 years of service. The adjustment back to civilian life and living with my family again (we were seperated the last 15 months I served on active duty) was difficult to overcome so I understand what you are going through....alot of us do in this forum.

Never give up and never be ashamed to seek help!!

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Ruka

14 years ago

Hey EA. You poor thing, that must have taken some courage to write that post.

Try not to be scared.

I can see immediately you have two magnificent, positive things:

1) you don't take any kind of drink, nicotine or drugs

2) you have the desire to make something of yourself, and you have started on that path

That is much more than many people.

Can I suggest a few things that might help you onward & upward?

1) If you are still getting suicidal thoughts, please find yourself a trusted health professional who can make sure you stay safe.

2) All this fear and anxiety you are feeling will only increase if you think about it. So try and replace it - crowd it out - with other stuff.
Any thoughts that make you feel a little more optimistic, grateful, happy - think these. Same goes for what you do with your time. Concentrate on all the good stuff in life. Don't place your attention on your fear - and you'll find it dropping away.

3) Consider really getting into exercise, in the sunshine/open air.
This will burn off anxiety and boost your endorphins.
Just a jog round the park & then some circuits/push ups/sit ups will do it.

4) About taking action. It's no good thinking about the fact you think you can't take action, and beating yourself up for this. Does it make sense if I say, you are giving your thoughts too much power? After all, they are only thoughts! You don't have to believe them all.

If you can tell your thought, "thanks for sharing, now I have something else to attend to" - then you can break out of that mind state before it starts feeding on itself. You'll find it's more rewarding to start working, start playing, start exercising, make a healthy drink or snack, anything - than to think about your belief you can't get on with things. Then you'll start getting addicted almost to the feeling of getting stuff done.

5) Stay off caffeine, energy drinks, red bull, coffee, etc. Even some over the counter medications have caffeine added. It will only increase your anxiety.

6) If you are becoming a father soon, you need a steady income source, and you need to make more than you currently are. IM is not an easy option, and it sounds to me you are best suited to finding yourself a job. Plus it will be much better for you to get out of your home environment, and also away from the computer screen & your own company/isolation. You'll be able to have daily social interaction with decent, normal people, and that will make the world of difference.

Good luck, & remember to post back here if you need help or just to say hi. There are a lot of kind people here who want you to be happy

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14 years ago

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atvking 14 years ago

EA...

im a triple refugee and have been through 2 wars...to keep it short my sob story would not fit in one post...theres one thing i can tell you for sure:

things can and will get better if you dont quit
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biotechie

Banned 14 years ago

Depression can kill, well this kind of sickness will kill you slowly inside hope you will soon have a better and happy life to enjoy

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TheMagicShow

14 years ago

EA,

you should seek a counselor and some therapy that does not include meds. Pills are not for everyone, they seem to work at first, but can do a reversal and start working against you. There are many alternatives to pills and they do work.

Second of all, you have made $1,600 this year. That's not all that bad, you should seek a mentor to help you out, volunteer your time and learn from someone that has success. You, cannot do IM alone, it seems that you do need some support/partnership/outsourcing.

You are going to be a father, if IM is not paying the bills, then I would suggest that you get a regular job, to make sure that your baby does not suffer.

As I have always said, this business is not for everyone. Good Luck dood!

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RCormacko

14 years ago

Are you spending too much time alone, agonizing over all of this? My view is that getting out and spending time with friends will help. Being on your own too much can lead to thinking yourself into being unhappy and pesimistic. That can be a problem with being a lone online marketer. As far as your IM earnings go, I would encourage you to think that, if you can make some money online, you can make a lot. A more optimistic view would be that you are in profit, so ramp it up and you will get to where you want to be.

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Imran Naseem

Banned 14 years ago

Hey buddy

I hope things work out.

Try to take things one by one, and be strong. I read your post and I really pray that things go well for you. Just try not to think about negative things too much - hang in there, and firstly start from scratch. Clear all the negative thoughts and make sure you firstly look after your health...

We should appreciate our life, we only have it once and make the best use of it my friend.

I really do things work out for you. Internet Marketing can be a very difficult industry at times, but you just need to stick to what you do best, find a business model and stick with it.

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Imran Naseem

Banned 14 years ago

I also forgot to mention...spend some time in the gym..

Five years ago I was in debt, I did not have a single penny but I made sure I overcame the obstacles slowly by making sure I do not give up...going to the gym will help you a lot and clear your head!

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atvking 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Imran Naseem

I also forgot to mention...spend some time in the gym..

thats some kick ass advice right there...working out creates a "positive chemical balance" in your body...it will mean a lot!
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I also forgot to mention...spend some time in the gym.

Me, too -- I've found that even just walking for exercise is a tremendous help with my anxiety. And while I don't do it often enough, the exercise has proven to be one of the best energizers in my professional life. Must have something to do with increased heart rate and increased blood & oxygen to the brain.
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GeorgR.

14 years ago

while others who are willing to make this work are living their dreams or life that is much more closer to their goal & dreams.

dont believe that. There is very few who "made it" due to luck, connections and a lot of work. The net is is also full of people who have no money whatsoever, desperate people for whom $40 for a WSO is a lot of money. I see it every day!

In fact, the number of people who "live their dreams" might be dwindling low. But this should'nt stop you (and me) from learning and keep going.

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Damien Roche

14 years ago

Why are people trying to give this person medical advice?

The only advice he needs is:

SEE A DOCTOR ASAP!!

This really isn't a matter of showing support or discussing the different possible reasons for the OP's 'apparent' frame of mind. It's a matter of hitting him straight in the face with the painful truth.

NOTHING in this forum or the people on it can solve this problem. END OF.

SEE A DAMN DOCTOR!

I wish you all the best!

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Jamian

14 years ago

Hello EA!

Do yourself favor! Read "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill. Start reading from Chapter15.

Jamian.

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Len Bailey

14 years ago

Hang in there, EA -- we've all been there. OK, maybe not all -- some people probably are born lucky now and then ... but most of us have been there at one time or other. I hit rock bottom myself when my first marriage fell apart ... bad, bad time in my life. But I managed to push on -- and have been forever grateful that I did.

Making money online isn't always easy, no matter what "experts" say. And it's NOT for everyone. That's just the way it is. I could *try* building my own house, but odds are nobody in their right mind would want to live in it if I ever finished it. So keep that in mind.

But as many of our fellow Warriors have pointed out, there are plenty of opportunities to make money online -- and your own personal success story may be just around the corner. Never forget that most super-successful businessmen (and women) FAILED at their first -- or first several -- attempts.

So my advice: Hang in there. Stick with it, even if you have to work a traditional job and do IM on the side. And always remember that whole new worlds will open up once you hold your baby for the first time. (Congratulations, by the way!) =)

I'm a father and successful copywriter, currently working directly for America's highest-paid copywriter. But believe me -- I have bad days (and weeks) just like everyone else. I've had anxiety problems ever since my first divorce -- but I now take something for it (in my case, California Poppy) and things always get better.

So please, seek professional help. If you don't want a psychiatric drug, tell them -- they'll usually listen and help you find other ways to help cope when necessary.

And find someone to partner up with to help you with your IM ventures -- a buddy ... friend ... motivator ... and your own personal success circle. It really does help.

One last thing: Suicide is NOT the right choice -- you'll only be causing more harm and pain to those you love. Including your children. So take things one day at a time. And if that's too hard, take them one hour -- or even ten minutes -- at a time. Sooner than you can believe, a week ... then a month ... then a year will have passed.

And one day, you may even share your story to help someone struggle through their own personal hell.

Hope this helps,

Len

PS - You're a hell of a strong person to have found the courage to post your story and ask for help. Never forget that. I firmly believe you will be successful and happy, even if it takes some time.

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Floyd Fisher

14 years ago

Originally Posted by EA

Warriors,

I need to write this. I'm shaking over here. I have pain in my heart. It hurts. I'm crying.. my fingers are wet, every word I write is so hard to put on paper I ask myself what's wrong with me. I hate fear and I hate doubt.

I feel sick in my stomach.. I fear writing this but there are feelings inside me telling me to do this not later, they are telling me to write this right now. I've made $1674 plus this year online when I finally overcame my procrastination habits and started to get more control with information overload. The $1674 is not my first money online. I've struggle for years.

This amount is not the first money I made online I believe I know how to make money online it takes work, persistence, focus, plan of action and I have to make this happen nobody can do this for me the doubt is always there and the fear and to be honest I've gone through so much in my life.

In my personal life I've been going through hell! I was trying to sleep but there was something inside me that told me I needed to get this out here. What I love most about the warrior forum are people who are honest and kind - especially those people who actually and for real care about others.

I'm not here to complain. I'm sick of my inaction and direction in life and where's my life is right now it's going nowhere I have always wanted to do my best for others.. I lost my friends into drugs and the people which are close to me like mom drink and they say they do it to escape from life.

It's sad to hear this...

I have never taken any drugs, I don't even drink or smoke and I'm not at all afraid to admit my mindset sucks. I've read thousand's of pages and quotes about mindset and sometimes I really think something is wrong with me.. Why can't I start take more action and really make it happen!

I really praise people who are willing to try.

I feel my heart beep is going faster and faster... Why do I have pain in my heart and why does it hurt so much, why do I think suicidal thoughts. It's because I really want to take action but still I'm dealing with inaction, but I can feel there is a strong feeling still in me who want to make this work.

What really sucks is just the idea X years later I could visit this forum and still been close to zero while others who are willing to make this work are living their dreams or life that is much more closer to their goal & dreams.

When it comes to mindset the doubt is really killing my progress and the fear often stops me before I do anything. I've been afraid to post here but I needed to do this. I've been afraid to mention people names that I have respect for in this forum, they are many, it's time to let it out right now.

Steven Wagenheim, Nick Madison, Brian Johnson, Joshua Collins, Daniel Brock, Casey Gentley, Jeremy Kelsall, Mario Brown, Michael NGuyen, ccmusicman and others I can't say thank you enough for everything you have shared here in this forum and I know I have forgotten names here but everyone who really contribute to this forum and care about helping others I do respect and special thanks to Michael Chriswell - I will never forget how great you are. And Casey Gentley Happy 24th Birthday.

What I really love is soon I'll be a father in the first time in my life and I can't understand why I still don't do much and my situations are rough at the moment. I really love Internet marketing. I do. It's hard to say this but the tears are rolling down my chin because I really want to change myself and make this work. It's so hard to sit here in the front of the computer to write this and admit that I'm crying here but I'm facing my own fear doing this it's the only way to overcome it and I welcome all your comments and support. It's time to wipe these tears from my face and go to sleep, thank you so much for taking your time to read this. Big thanks to you all.

Where do you live. Sounds like you need help asap.

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Matthew Shane Roe

14 years ago

EA, you most likely won't go back to the first page. I had edited one of my post (double post) with my email and skype. Email: mrskidroe @ gmail . com and skype: reddirtpaintball. Contact me if you want, my wife and mother in law are currently studying psychology and while I may not be a proffessional I know enough to give some help if needed so don't be afraid to ask me.

Also note, I created a thread a while back about coaching people into making money and getting set up full time online, my offer stands for you if your interested in it as well. I am hear to help you.

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Anonymous Affiliate

14 years ago

This does not belong to the Warrior Forum. The WF is a business-orientated forum, whereas it seems like your issue is more related to physiological help. I think you should be searching for help at some other more appropriate place, probably in a more personal and deeper department.

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Floyd Fisher

14 years ago

If you have read down this far, here's what to do about this.

1. Do not offer advice or help. It's obvious he's suicidal, and it may push him over the edge.

2. Go back to the OP, report the post to the admins, so they are alerted to this, and trace it and contact local people to get him the help he really needs.

DO THIS NOW!

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EA 14 years ago

## It's time to say thanks again to all these wonderful people, thanks ##

If you read my first thread then please read where I thank people the first time because in every thank you message you can get more details on this.

1. It's very important to tell you I will not commit suicide. Just last night I was dealing with fear, anxiety and it's been a big fear for me to post here. Yes. This is a business forum the only reason I posted this here is because this community there are so many people who actually care about others, people that are honest and I really can't describe how thankful I am.

2. I know the problem is me. I have made money online. I am making money online. My girlfriend say I should be proud and just today I went to the bank and cashed check for around $743 bucks and it was great.

3. The truth is I did not made this thread to complain more because I needed to overcome my fear and I was really shaking and crying and I'm still crying reading all the wonderful advice, comments and everything people have done for me in this thread it just shows how great people are within this forum. It's really hard to explain how grateful I am for every single comment that's been written here and for all the support, thanks.

4. I've been going through a lot in my life but I have always been willing to change and I have always wanted to grow as a person and I really want to make this work. Some people might see this as complaining but really I just needed to do this. People say I should go to my friends and then I'll say what friends? I don't have many friends in real life I lost them both in drugs or car accident. Do I like people? I like honest people who do care about others, people who are willing to give value to this world, because it's my believes everyone black or white they deserve the same rights.

5. When I think about it. It comes down to stick to a system a product - The truth is I have many. It's hard to make the decision, there are doubts and fears just like I mention in my posts. It's the inaction and the feeling of not doing anything because of dear and doubts that kill my progress.

Finally there is so much that's been happening in my life since I was a child and when people listen to my whole story they don't believe it - but I will not complain but I love to get help and be in touch with people who care and I have learn that I need to be around positive people in my life.

And to be honest the hardest part for me is to be a man (adult) and go to sleep crying.. actually it's harder to wake up crying without knowing why.. but for god sakes this time in my life is gone but what happened last night it was like a thought was injected in my brain and I needed to do this and that's exactly what I did and yes I was really afraid posting this but I'm so grateful for the all response I'm full of gratitude and I can't thank enough.

Thanks again and I will continue to say thanks to everyone who comment and if this thread can help others it's great but it's already helping me but of course its going to take work and to be honest I cry happy years when reading everything you have shared because this means everything to me.

Now it's time to say THANK YOU!

@ Imran Naseem: Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. I forgot to mention your name because you have given tremendous value to this forum and I really believe you are honest and great guy. I will from this day on start to clear all these negative thoughts out of my head and start looking more after my health. I have always said this myself I only have one life and it's really best to make use of it. Once again Imran Naseem I can't describe how thankful for what you have done for me and thank you very much for your kind words, advice and your time. Really big thanks from my heart.

@ honestbizpro: Thank you for your kind words and comments. Thanks for being a great person.

@ Steven Wagenheim: You are such a wonderful person, you really care about others and you have given such value to this community there are many posts in this forum I believe have helped people. Thank you so much for your kind words and advice as always I want to wish you only the best.

@ avenuegirl: Thank you for your kind words, comments and advice. I wish you the best.

@ GeorgR: Thank you very much for your comments.

@ CatherineMay: Thank you so much for all your advice, comments and everything. It shines through your post you are a wonderful person. I actually have made more then $1674 but thank you so much for taking time and giving me your advice and comment it means a lot to me. Thank you so much!

@ Damien Roche: I am seeing a doctor. I do it regularly. I believe the people who have given their time here have helped me but of course I have to work at this and I know that. While saying thanks to the first people commented in this forum I mention that I am seeing doctors and life has not been easy for me and I know I have much better life then many people have.

It's just I needed to do this to overcome fear and because last night when I started this thread there was something that told me to just go and do this! And I truly believe this thread will not only help me but also others but thank you very much for your comment and I also wish you all the best, all the gratitude life can give you.

@ jodib: I have tried tapping - EFT. (Emotional Freedom Technique) but thanks for pointing it out. Thank you very much for sharing this with me and others. Thank you so much for your kind words. Really jodib thank you from the bottom of my heart.

@ pkornmann: Thank you for your comment, advice and kind words.

@ Jamian: I have read Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. I have read awful lot to be honest and this is a really good book. But thank you very much for your comment I really do appreciate it.

@ JAIDEEP2959: Thank you for your kind words and advice. I will never commit suicide. I am seeing doctor regularly. I have made money on eBay, Amazon, Adsense, Commission Junction, Clickbank, ShareASale and others but really thank you for pointing this out. I'm tired of my in action and here is the truth jumping from one product to another and then the doubt starts to creep in and the fear. But thank you very much for your kind words and I wish you all the best in your life. Thank you.

@ atvking: Thank you for your comment.

@ Len Bailey: I have failed many times.. I have given up.. I went up on my feets again.. I started to make money again.. I have had my shared of failuries and I know I need to fail fast.. I have to grow.. there are just so many systems out there, so many directions I've gone through info overload and period with procrastination times when I didn't do „Jack!" nothing, zero, nada!

I overcame it! That was a big issue for me to overcome then the doubt started to creep in and the fear and the only way to overcome fear is to do the stuff to overcome it. But I can't express it enough how thankful I am for your comment, advice and all your kind words. The truth is I am crying tear of happiness reading this thread not only because it will help me but also I appreciate it so much the honest and kind people in here. This is such a wonderful community.
I will read what you posted and other comments here and it's really hard to describe how thankful I am. Thank you so much for your comments and advice.

@ Floyd Fisher: Thank you for your comments. However I am not going to commit suicide and I really can't express how grateful I am for every comment, every advice and everything people have done for me. Life has just been really hard emotionally and I've been going through a lot much more then I say here but to be honest I'm so grateful for every comment, advice and help people give me here.

@ Skid_Roe: Thank you so much for your help, advice, comments and for being such a great person. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Thank you so much and I really, really do mean it, THANKS!

@ Chris C : Thank you so much for your comments, advice and your warm and kind words. I will make a post and explain this further because I think people only read the first post not the second one where I thank people for their comment, advice and everything they are doing for me there I explain why I did this and to be honest I have made more then $1674 for example just yesterday I made $67 and I am regularly making money online and I have never seen it as a big accomplishment and I was really afraid to start a thread telling people about it. I once sold site for $1000 bucks and in my early beginning I was making dollars from eBay and other site building activites but because of all kinds of personal issues I have had my share of problems but I will never give up because I want to succeed!

Thank you so much for your kind words. Thanks for everything. I will continue to read everything people have written here and it's really hard to explain my feelings because I really am so grateful for everything. I like your idea of faking it until you make it I've heard this one before. Thanks so much!

@ Anonymous Affiliate: Well to be honest I believe this is exactly the place to get help because I really love Internet marketing and there are people here who actually have real souls, hearts, goals and dreams, people who want to achieve and get extraordinary results and to be honest I'm really grateful for posting this in the Warrior Forum because this is business related and here's how the people here have feelings and they are just like me many of them and I can't describe how hard it as for me to create this thread inthe first place. But I thank you for your words and wish you the best.

@ Len Bailey: Thank you for your comment and kind words. I walk daily and I love the nature.

@ Floud Fisher: ### Please understand I will not commit sucicide. ### I have a lovely girlfriend who supports me and hug me and we have a baby on the way I want to nurture, love and do everything for. I understand your concerns but there is no need to but what I really like is all the help, advice and kind words people have given me here and I truly will never be able to describe how thankful I am.

Thank you so much people. I can't describe or tell how grateful I am. THANK YOU!
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cma01

14 years ago

This thread has gotten into a discussion on medication, and while I think it is sometimes necessary to help someone recover from depressive thoughts faster, you have to be very careful about just taking whatever a doctor is willing to prescribe you. Most doctors, not all but most, don't address the root cause, they just medicate symptoms. Sometimes that can give you more problems than it helps.

A friend of mine almost died after contracting a Strep A infection after labor. It was touch and go for a long time, she had multiple surgeries, and they ended up having to amputate a portion of both arms and legs in order to save her life.

She is just now stabilizing and coming out of it. I really don't think she would have made it if her husband hadn't been there fighting for her every step of the way and questioning every recommendation.

One of the latest bits of drama was the doctor's concern that she was depressed because she wasn't able to see her children and the doctor wanted to put her on an antidepressant. Her husband said, "Why not let her see her kids?"

EA, just be aware of this tendency to over medicate. Do everything you can to get yourself in the best possible health, and then get help if you need it.

What has and is still happening to her really helps put my life in perspective when things don't go exactly as I want. It reminds me how your life can change at any moment and in the end it is people who matter. If you want to know more about her story, her husband keeps everyone updated on a blog and her friends that are coordinating fundraising and help for her update on a Facebook page.

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Sylvia Meier

14 years ago

EA,
Firstly, congrats on the success you have already had online. Your ahead of the majority, just by making your first dollar.

Secondly, let me say you are NOT alone in how you feel. I read through this entire thread and was surprised NO one has mentioned this yet (or at least if they did, I didn't see it.) And perhaps it doesn't happen to everyone, or it is a result of depression and anxiety mixed with the birth of a new child, but how you are feeling is how I felt everytime I had a new child entering my life.

The first one was the hardest, because I was still in high school, not even 17, and I felt exactly how you explained you did. I went through so much fear and anxiety and a deep depression, but as someone mentioned, once she was born and I held her in my arms I knew we could make it, no matter what life may throw our way. And you know what? That little girl turns 12 this year.

With the birth of the younger 4, I had the same feelings each time. The fear, the anxiety, the worries over what was I doing, how we're we going to feed another mouth, all those thoughts. And again, once each of them were born, we knew it was going to be okay. Yes, there have been rough patches, and yes there are times I think it would be easier to simply give up, but in the end, when you have a child that loves you, no matter what, you'll see, giving up won't be an option, and you will have what a lot of people don't have. You will have a never ending motivation. Because you will always want better for your child, you will always want to provide for them to the best of your ability.

Moral of the story, keep going forward. Continue working with your doctor (depression can be a very difficult disease to live with, I was diagnosed with it at 12, by a doctor who was floored a child that age could have anything to be "depressed" about), and just know once you hold that child in your arms, it will all make so much more sense, and give you a clearer focus on moving forward.

If you ever need someone to talk to hit me up by PM.

Best wishes,
Sylvia

P.S Congrats on your baby... and sometimes it helps to talk to those around your age that have been through it, so don't be shy, send me a PM if you need to talk.

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Techguy

14 years ago

EA, I know exactly what you are going through. I almost posted a similar message a few days ago. I was going through the exact same thing.

You are right, there is something wrong with you. You are suffering from depression and anxiety. The more you allow it to dwell within you the worst it will get. You have a choice, understand what is happening to you and consciously make an effort to change your thought process (search for "This Will Change Your Life" by Stephen Pierce for help with this) or see a doctor.

I was able to get off prozac (daytrading failure, 2004) when I realized what I was suffering from was "self inflicted" wrong thinking. I discovered that I was not a "trader" but an "impulsive gambler". No one succeeds at that, so I felt better and stopped beating myself up. The lesson is "You are not alone".

Luckily for me I've been very fortunate recently in that every time I have fears or doubts, I seek inspiration from sources that have helped me in the past. This includes the book "Think and Grow Rich", and mentors like Stephen Pierce and Eben Pagan. Once I'm reminded of how fortunate I am (compared to some) and how far I've come, I feel 1000% better.

What helped me this time was the last chapter of Eben Pagan's "Wake Up Productive" home study course, which talks about focusing on how far you’ve come instead of how far you have to go. You can find plenty of excerpts from the course on youtube. You will find it very helpful in developing the right mindset.

Another thing that I've been suffering from (and likely you are too) is something called "Action Inertia". I learned this from Stephen Pierce. There is a mini coaching session from Stephen that I think you will get a lot from as I certainly did. You can find it by searching google for "Stephen Pierce Result Accelerator".

Another Great Source of Inspiration for me recently that I came across totally by accident. It's a youtube video called "Patrick Henry Hughes - Inspirational Story". He was born without eyes and unable to walk but is now a Louisville State Marching Band Member. Watch this video and you'll probably be ashamed to complain or feel sorry for yourself ever again. You can do anything you want. You just have to put your mind to it.

I stopped what I was doing to respond to your post as like I said, I've been there. And even though depression, doubt, fears and anxiety still rears its ugly head now and then, at least now I have the knowhow and support system to recover without medical intervention. Get some help whether medical, inspirational, mentoring, whatever, just don't wallow in your sorrows. It will only get worse if you do.

I've found that I can't stay focus and often don't know what to do next. This is likely because I'm not good at planning. I'm going to join Affiloblueprint and "Just Follow Instructions" for a change. I think I can do that.

Hang in there…$1600 is more than I've made in IM, ever. But this year will be different.

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PS: If you do resort to medication, be very careful. When I stopped taking my Prozac abruptly, I started having dizzy spells and blackouts. I almost crashed while driving. Turns out it was a side affect of withdrawal from Prozac. I had to start taking them again and wean myself off slowly. Took another two months.

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Eric Johnson

14 years ago

Go and see a doctor asap. I have a few mental disorders, Bipolar, OCD and such and I have been exactly where you are or worse.

But I'm on the right meds now and life is much much better.

I'll be praying for you.

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Dennis Gaskill 14 years ago

Originally Posted by EA

I agree my mindset sucks. It's just like some people have some magical can-do power and there is nothing stopping them to make their dreams and goals come true.

EA, there is no "magic" to it, some folks just have better information to draw from. I think an article I recently published in my newsletter will help you understand "mindset" and our human thought processes a little better.

I hope this post won't be seen as self-promotional because it's truthfully offered in the Warrior spirit of helping each other. I could have sent the URL by PM, and at first I started to, but then thought better of it because I think it could help a lot of people who struggle with mindset and are haunted by past experiences. This link goes directly to the article: Our Mental Filing System
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Alminc 14 years ago

EA,

I don't know how old you are but since you wrote that you will soon
become a father I assume that you are old enough to cope with
troubles in life on your own.

But anyway, I want to tell you this:

If you and your family have food to eat,
if you have a home,
if nobody in your family is about to die or died recently,
if there is no war in your country,
if you are physically healthy, can move your body and work

there is no reason to cry!

LOVE YOUR WIFE AND ALL AROUND YOU, TAKE CARE OF THEM,
BE HAPPY ABOUT SOON BECOMING A FATHER.
IF YOU HAVE JUST 1 FRIEND AND 1 WOMAN BY YOUR SIDE YOU ARE
ALREADY RICH!

JUST LOVE AND TAKE CARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR LIFE,
BE HAPPY ABOUT IT, AND GOD WILL GIVE YOU MORE!

And don't forget to love your self, money or no money!

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richgrad

14 years ago

Please get some professional help... and understand that money is not the most important thing in this world. Know that there are people who care about you... and your going to be a father soon! Think about that... don't let an emotion that will come to pass cloud your judgment... Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem... do some deep breathing and get some help

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Techguy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by EA

What really sucks is just the idea X years later I could visit this forum and still been close to zero while others who are willing to make this work are living their dreams or life that is much more closer to their goal & dreams.

EA, here is an excerpt from Eben Pagan's "Wake Up Productive" home study course that made me feel better last week when I was going through what you are going through now. I hope it does that same for you.

Eben Pagan on Optimism

And here is the mini coaching session by Stephen Pierce that helped me understand why I don't get as much done as I should each day.

Stephen Pierce's "Results Accelerator"

Good Luck Buddy!

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EA

14 years ago

@ Mike Anthony: Thank you so much for your kind words and I got this idea to take all this posts and print it out to remember how great you are for giving your time, advice and all the comments and it‘s really hard to describe it with words how grateful I am for every comment been made in this thread. You talk about list-building that is one of my fears something I have to overcome it‘s just I don‘t want to be the guru. I just want to be who I am – Just want to be real and honest. I have always care about others and put me into the second place. But thank you so much for your kind comment and advice.

@ ccmusicman: You have given this forum a lot of value. I am not buying anymore products. I have written down what I really want. I have done this exercise couple of times to see what I really want. The truth is I‘ve read a lot been going into circles trying to find the perfect way to make this work but of course it‘s best to take one step by step. Thank you so much for all the value you have given in this forum and thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for your advice and kind words. THANKS!

@cma01 : Thank you so much for your kind words and your comments. I really believe you are such a great girl with a good heart, I can feel it that you care about others, thanks again and I really mean it.

@Sylvia Rolfe: You speak the truth. I admit of course I have fears and doubts but I am really looking forward for this moment even I‘ve been going through hell and dealing with all kinds of problems. Thank you so much for sharing your story and thank you for your comments. I‘m so thankful for it and I know a person that write like you is not only intelligent but also has a beautiful HEART! Thanks.

@ Techguy: Thank you so much for everything you shared with me and others here. I will read this again and again like many other comments in this thread. I‘m so grateful there are no words that can truly describe this its like magical words put together that makes the most beautiful art in the world.

I know about Eben Pagan and Stephen Pierce but thanks pointing this out. I‘ve read a alot and I know a lot it‘s more doubt, fear, part of maybe insecurity that is stopping me but there is feeling inside me that tells me never to quit! I‘m so grateful, full of gratitude I can only express this in words at the bottom of this letter, THANKS!

@ Eric Johnson: Thanks for everything, thanks for your comment.

@ Richgrad: I forgot to mention your name I‘ve seen you have given value to this community and I really wish you the best. I believe you are a good guy that actually care. Thank you so much for all your kind words. I really appreciate it. Suicide is something I could never do. Thanks again, REALLY!

@ Dennis Gaskill: I have a lot of knowledge, it‘s useless when it‘s not used properly or put into an action. But really. Thank you very much for all your help, advice, comment and I will check this out. Also want to use this opportunity and wish you the best in your life and business. Thanks again!

@ Alminc: It‘s so true. I will never forget what you wrote. I will print this out and put on my wall and I‘m going to print this thread and use it to motivate me and think about all the great people who are sharing with me and others message that can not only inspire but also help others. Thank you and I really mean this from the bottom of my heart. Thanks!

@Techguy: Thanks again. It‘s great to know there are people in this world who actually do care that have a heart, that got feelings, that‘s people I like, people who are honest, kind and really do care. Thanks again for everything.

### Everyone who have commented this is for you this is how I feel ###

This is because of you. I will print this out and remember this FOREVER. Thank you so much! My heart is full of gratitude.

Here it goes:
It‘s like my stomach is full of butterflies and smileys flying around in my stomach tickle me.. but at the same time it‘s like there is nothing else it‘s just laser focus reading all the comments but really thank you so much everyone who have offered their help, people who actually do care, people who are honest, kind and willing to give their time and kind words for helping others out. I appreciate it.

I appreciate everything you are doing for me and others.
THANK YOU! – I will never forget how wonderful you people are and I will continue to be thankful. I will continue to response to this tread you're such a wonderful people here, thanks!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by EA

@Techguy: Thanks again. It's great to know there are people in this world who actually do care that have a heart, that got feelings, that's people I like, people who are honest, kind and really do care. Thanks again for everything.

EA,

As I said in the forum, I've been where you are an often (as in just last week) find myself slipping into it again.

I had an ideal for my own product but found that people were already giving it away. So I decided to give it away also to drive traffic and then recommend affiliate products.

That's when I realized that even though I've studied IM for the last 3 years, I still don't have a step by step system to follow and often find myself not knowing what to do next, or first, or last for that matter. That causes indecision and stress, and then paralysis by analysis.

So I started looking for a coaching program when I ran across a thread in the warrior forum called "Best product you've purchased?" I read nearly every post (over 350 at the time) and the clear winners were "Market Samurai", "Affiloblueprint", "Google Sniper", and "SENuke".

I then signed up for each one myself to check them out further. I'm going to dedicate myself to something and I want to be sure it's right for me. I really like Market Samurai and Affiloblueprint so that's where I'm going to invest my time and money. I've had a course similar to Google Sniper [NMCP] but almost bought it anyway, but I think I'll pass on that one for now. I like SENuke also but can't afford it, yet.

I'm intending to give it 150% of my effort because I don't want to waste anymore time. I was first introduce to IM in 2005 and at the time I was too gun shy to risk any money because of what I went through with daytrading. I gave it a shot but when I didn't make money right away I quit and started my computer business.

Now I wish I had stuck it out as the computer business has changed drastically. Lower rates, more competition, and more dependable and cheaper computers, plus, a ton of free info and free software on the net allows users to solve their own computer problems, so it's much harder to make a buck fixing computers these days. Oh, and if you haven't guessed, computers are my niche.

The top Internet Marketers recommend affiliate marketing to newbies all the time and now I understand why. It's because the goal is to learn marketing even if you don't make much money. Affiliate marketing allows you to get started right away with products that you know are selling so that eliminates one of the hurtles.

As you get better at marketing, the money will come, and you may even gained the knowledge and experience you need to create your own product, or to assist other newbies to get started and earn additional income that way. But getting started and sticking with it is the key. Once you become good at marketing online, you should be able to sell anything.

So I'm going to join a good program and give it my all. I don't know your situation but you might consider this approach also. In the last five years since I discovered internet marketing I've done nothing. I just heard a quote that made me feel pretty sick. It's "It takes just as long to do nothing as it does to do something". I wasted five years already. I can't afford to waste anymore. It's not going to get easier and I'm not getting any younger. Time is running out. It's time to get serious.

This started out as a PM reply and turned into a two page document. So I'm posting it in the forum instead. Maybe others will benefit as well.

Good Luck

PS: I hope you read what I said about my experience with depression medication. There are numerous ways to overcome depression. I recommend doing it without drugs if you can, although the prozac did help me initially. It was the withdrawal symptoms once I tried to quit that were scary. It's your call.

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EA 14 years ago

John Lennon: All We Need Is Love.
THANK YOU to everyone who have given their time and advice. I can‘t describe how thankful I am and I know I have been repeating this often that‘s because I‘m full of gratitude. It‘s really great to know there are people out there who actually do care about others, people who are kind & honest.

I truly believe this thread will help many people. I want to use this opportunity and say thanks to all the private messages, comments, advice, support and help you have offered me you people are truly the greatest. By sharing your time, giving value to this thread it‘s hard to express how thankful I am.

@discrat: Thank you so much for your wonderful comments and advice.

@jjpmarketing: (Dennis) – Thank you so much for all your advice, comments and everything. I will read this thread again and again and again I can‘t describe how thankful I am to everyone who have commented here. I‘m so thankful.

@Techguy: I want to thank you for everything. I want to thank you for your comment and advice. Like i‘ve said earlier I will read this thread again and again. Thank you so much from the bottom of my heart.

I have one word for you all: THANK YOU!
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Steven Fullman

14 years ago

Glad you're feeling better.

Folks round here rally around...as you've seen.

You've earned some dough online, more than many...which means *you* have the potential, knowledge and aptitude to make a whole ton more.

Stick around, improve your skills...and stop bashing yourself up...

If you feel depressed, go see a doctor and deal with it. I did when I was in the same boat.

Now...

...You have a baby on the way. Stop whingeing...stop throwing out this flowery "woe is me" crap...and get on with it. You don't need to make a million by tomorrow...you've made more than I had when fatherhood was knocking on my door. And I had the same doubts, debts, and damage to deal with.

If things are too tough to deal with, this aint the place to be, but...

You're a good writer. You'll do well. You're already winning. Keep it up

Cheers,
Steve

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Conrad Stuart

14 years ago

"I have never taken any drugs, I don't even drink or smoke and I'm not at all afraid to admit my mindset sucks. I've read thousand's of pages and quotes about mindset and sometimes I really think something is wrong with me.. Why can't I start take more action and really make it happen!"

-> Thats your problem right there, I need a J and a 6pack just to get me off my lazy.....

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ildarius

14 years ago

Try meditating, when it comes to focus and taking action you need a well balanced mind:

YouTube - Transform Your Mind, Change Your Brain

Watch it, it may change your life.

Good book on the subject is "8 minute meditation"

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Andrew11

14 years ago

Dang man you know what struggles like this are not as uncommon as you think, but if you keep working towards solutions things will line up I promise it's worst for us cuz it hit during a recession too so double the pressure basically. Best of luck man keep pursuing what you want

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EA

14 years ago

Thank you so much for all your comments I never expected response like this. This has been a emotional thread for me and just by overcoming the fear of doing this has really change a lot in me. I say it again and again... I can't thank you enough for all your wonderful comments and advice and I'm so grateful for all the people who have contribute their time and given their value offered me support and I know this thread will help others out there. Thanks again and really thanks for being such good heart people.

@ Steven Fullman: I‘ve seen your posts around and I forgot to mention your name you have contributed value to this forum. Thank you so much for your advice and kind words. I really mean it. THANK YOU!

@ CSH5813: Thank you for your comment.

@ ildarius: Thank you for let me know about this I‘ll check it out.

@ Andrew: Thank you for your comment and kind words.

I‘m really grateful for all these comments, advice and kind words. I say it again and again I can‘t describe how full of gratitude I am and how thankful I am. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by EA

Thank you so much for all your comments I never expected response like this. This has been a emotional thread for me and just by overcoming the fear of doing this has really change a lot in me. I say it again and again... I can't thank you enough for all your wonderful comments and advice and I'm so grateful for all the people who have contribute their time and given their value offered me support and I know this thread will help others out there. Thanks again and really thanks for being such good heart people.

@ Steven Fullman: I‘ve seen your posts around and I forgot to mention your name you have contributed value to this forum. Thank you so much for your advice and kind words. I really mean it. THANK YOU!

@ CSH5813: Thank you for your comment.

@ ildarius: Thank you for let me know about this I‘ll check it out.

@ Andrew: Thank you for your comment and kind words.

I‘m really grateful for all these comments, advice and kind words. I say it again and again I can‘t describe how full of gratitude I am and how thankful I am. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Hey EA, its all about human beings helping other human beings. We have all at some point of time been in your shoes in one way or the other. There is so much light at the end of the tunnel and I know you are totally heading in that direction !

Plus, you should look forward to having a child as it will totally change your Life for the better. You will NOT know what true, unconditional Love is until you experience having your own child .
Its a Blessing so rejoice.

Cheers to you my friend !!

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jjpmarketing

14 years ago

Perhaps, my previous post wasn't clear enough. I never advised EA to not see a doctor. The advice I offered was from personal experience. The advice I offered was to see a form of medical professional that wouldn't immediately pull out the prescription pad.

My advice was to quite simply start with natural cures and then use medication if necessary. It was my fault for not fully elaborating on that fact. The bulk of my advice was to change the environment around him. This in fact does work, and a lot of doctors will give the same advice.

Now they may also come to the conclusion that EA does need medication. I was simply telling him to change what he has the power to change himself. He can leave the rest to the medical professionals.

On the pills that are prescribed for depression, some of them are addictive and also have bad side effects if you come off them cold turkey.

How could that happen? Maybe money becomes an issue and then all of sudden you can't afford the pill that you are only supposed to be weened off of. Not saying this is the case for all of the pills, but the point is that taking pills can have adverse effects. I was simply saying try other forms of cure before trying pills.

As far as the mention of chemical imbalance goes... that is definitely one side of it.

Sometimes it can be a matter of the environment a person is subjected to or was subjected to that can cause the emotional trauma that leads a person to feel or act a certain way.

I do not know if that is the case for EA, but I do know it is always better to pursue natural methods of cure vs taking pills. Your body is designed to cure itself. Sometimes it does require the assistance of outside forces in the case of mental health, with a professional counselor, psychologist, or doctor.

Talking is part of the process of curing mental health. It helps the person with the mental health problem get it off their chest. It also helps the medical professional like a Psychologist determine where the source of the mental health problem comes from.

Only persons who have dealt with depression or anxiety, personally can ever truly know what it feels like. If you are on the outside looking in, you can never know what it feels like... even it is your spouse, sibling, child, etc. The only feeling you will ever know is how it feels to watch someone suffer in that situation. Even then, you will only see or witness what that individual allows you to see. I can vouch for that fact, 110%.

Mental Health, is one of those afflictions where only the person with the affliction can cure it. By that I mean that they have to want help. They have to be willing to seek that help. That is why it is so very important for persons with a mental health problem, to surround themselves with positive people. Medical professionals and pills can only do so much.

Dennis

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