Discouraged newbie "has seen too much!"-

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Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
  • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
  • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
  • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
  • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
  • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

Thanks,
Mark.
#discouraged #has seen too much #newbie
  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    --->I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!

    No wonder your not having much luck - I suspect your not building value into your products and services. Free is often the hardest thing to sell, unless the perceived value is in a very narrow range.
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    • Profile picture of the author meganeven
      Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

      --->I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!

      No wonder your not having much luck - I suspect your not building value into your products and services. Free is often the hardest thing to sell, unless the perceived value is in a very narrow range.
      I had no idea that free would be hard to sell! But you're right, you need to make your services have value. Who wants to get a bunch of worthless crap ever, even if it is free? Unless you found some weird packrat type client...
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    • Profile picture of the author Rickling
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      On top of what Steve said, I think you are also way to scattered.

      You need to come up with a solid business plan/model and stick with it.

      It can be done under 30 days, it just requires drive and focus.

      Don't look at failures as failures - look at it as feedback. These things aren't working...yet I know for a fact that the systems you describe DO work. So the question is...what isn't working?

      What is failing inside your system. I would go through with a fine tooth comb and look at each aspect of your marketing campaign:

      1. How do you get the traffic? Is it targeted enough? Are they buyers or freebie seekers? Ask yourself these questions and then begin looking for the answers.

      2. How am I converting these visitors into buyers? Are they clicking thru to my vendors sales pages? If so, how many? If not, why? Is it due to traffic or my landing page or both? Begin testing combination of things to find out the best results.

      3. How am I retaining customers and selling to them again? Do you have a list? How are you marketing to them?

      The key is to get to the PROBLEM and eliminate it.

      If you are unsure were to start, this forum is the best place. Take one thing at at time and focus on that one thing until it's fixed and you can move on to the next thing.

      Rob
      Great point "Are they buyers or freebie seekers?" that is the fifty million dollar question if we knew that we would be selling heaps so I guess next is how do you know if they don't buy then only joined for the free stuff and most of the time that is mainly why they join there aren't many who join something to pay especially if who there buying off is unknown by them. I still think free needs to be offered before putting the sales to them.. well all in my opinon and also advise I received in my thread about how to get my business to have income!
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  • There is so much to learn and you always seem to run out of time. I have done the same bought courses tried different things and it feels like you are banging your head against a wall. Things are starting to change, it does take time. Most of the gurus will tell you it take around 18mths and one day things will start to fall into place. well my 18 months has arrived and I have learned a lot. the big bucks aren't here just yet but I am getting closer. Internet marketing isn't easy it will take time, don't give up just keep going.
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    • Profile picture of the author zenithincome
      While most affiliate marketers know enough about online marketing, very few are making huge money from it. One of the very best way of making good money online is having your own online store that could house huge list of products and programs either from Clickbank, Amazon, Ebay, Plimus, click2sell, CJ or other sources.

      You need to be focus, determine and take your new found means of making money serious and plan how to start with it, You need to think how to generate traffic to you site, either through free traffic generating resources or premium. Too many gurus tips could lead to discouragement therefore read less and practice more.

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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
    Mark,
    This business can be extremely frustrating especially in the beginning when no income is being generated even though you are probably working your tail off.

    For an increase in adsense you might consider writing and submitting articles to Info Barrel. There is a WSO run by x3xsolxdierx3x that goes into great detail on how to succeed with that site.

    For some immediate income you might consider offering your services as a writer for hire...I'm assuming you are a prolific writer and if so then this is a great way to generate steady income because everyone needs content for their websites.

    Not sure if you have done anything with Amazon.com's affiliate program - I've just started with it a few weeks back and can tell you that if you create a site for the right product and send targeted traffic to it the conversions are quite good.

    Realize this does little to offset your current situation and frustrated outlook but I think if you take a minute to catch your breath and re-evaluate your situation you might find that focusing on one core competency is all you need to start seeing some initial succes.

    Respectfully,
    Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author larryburr
      You have been given good advice above. The key to success is patience and persistence. Narrow your efforts, get some positive feedback and then add more steps. Only thing not to do is to give up! Keep reading things on this forum and try them as it fits your plan of action. Good luck and best wishes. You are not alone.
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      • Profile picture of the author CurtisSWN
        Focus on one thing until it works, every IMer's victory is unique. Believe it or not but you're now coming up against your internal sense of limitations, which you will break free from if you don't stop at this critical moment.

        You've come too far to stop now. Stop expending your energy kicking yourself and redirect it into profitable action.
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        • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
          Originally Posted by CurtisSWN View Post

          ...every IMer's victory is unique.
          This is very key. No matter what you try, it means you are trying. In other words, 9 out of 10 things may not work for you but the 10th will make up for it.

          I think the quote about 18 months is about right also. Without trying everything, how are you going to figure what works for you.

          Too many businesses (and their owners) never understand this fact. They get stuck on one thing that is not working, used to work and continue to stick by it. Why? Spend at least a little time on new things until the gold comes in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    Well this is a bit of a sore point for me. I do have a business that brings in a bit of income while I sleep, but it is entirely OFF line. Online, my earnings have never come close on a dollars per hour basis. This is with a basic intelligence, a lot of work, and pretty good formal qualifications. (But those aren't related to net work.)

    It is quite an attractive dream. A lot of business in this forum depends on it and feeds it, but it is not easy. My personal opinion is that it is a lot easier to make money off line.

    There are now nearly 8 billion pages on the web (last stat I read) so you are taking on a bit of competition. My experience with 'adcents' was pretty similar to yours. I did wind up making money and looks like that could grow but at this point I would be way farther ahead tending bar, or whatever as long as it was off line.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    You're all over the place, man! You should be focusing on one vehicle and one method of promotion. When you are successful with that method, then you can add a new weapon.
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    • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      You're all over the place, man! You should be focusing on one vehicle and one method of promotion. When you are successful with that method, then you can add a new weapon.
      I agree with Brian. Take one thing and make it good, then move onto the next, continuing to build out. I look at a business almost like building a house, one step at a time. If you pick out your kitchen appliances BEFORE you have even laid your foundation your just a dreamer...

      Lastly, if you are having a hard time selling FREE services you need to re-evaluate what you are selling. Are you targeting the right customers? Do they even know what your services are for?

      In my local area, nobody around here is interested in ranking #1 for a keyword -- they just want a slick looking website. If I show up and say I'll design your site for FREE I'd be booked solid, but if I showed up trying to sell them on the importance of ranking first for a given keyword most of them would tell me they were not interested without fail...
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      • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
        Very interesting-
        Maybe that's what's happening here too.

        [I was selling a service to list them on Google local listings (and maps). But again, I chose 3 small shops to do this for free (i would just get bragging rights for future "paid" customers.]
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    • Profile picture of the author revjoe
      Focus on one thing and put all you heart into it. Its very easy to get information overload. Find that one thing you know that you can be an expert at and focus your time on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author steveo
    It is harsh newbies always get stuck on the ridiculous $100 minimum Adsense cashout that Google has they should change this FFS. Anyways I would recommend pursuing pre-existing sites and freelancing work there as well as continue learning your own site.

    Also keep persistant on forums like this maybe 5 posts a day is your goal it is great knowlege and community Good luck man
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  • Profile picture of the author mymoney5243
    You must focus one thing get it going then go on to another.

    As far as clickbank goes I find it bes to do a mini site. I put my main clickbank product on it with a couple of more to compliment it.

    The other thing I am finding is that the economy is taking it's tool. So slow down and promote one thing at a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author JHandy
    Great advice here. Stay focused on (ONE) thing. Create success there and then add another. One thing you should consider is "building a list". That way you can continue to market to that list over time. Not just a one shot wonder.

    Jerry
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  • Profile picture of the author bensmokey
    JHandy hit it spot on create a squeeze page offer something of value for free and build a list. You may want to create a group on facebook to that works really well you can email the members i have over 3,500 members in my group and i get good conversions when i send a promotion because i provide content to.
    Safelists are also a good place but make sure you open separate googlemail accounts for them also ad exchanges are good because they give free solo ads to new members. I think you have had some good advice but remember this before you give up. "Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up."
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  • Profile picture of the author steveo
    Well I think it is most important to be active in SEO or niche communities and always ask pros questions even if unlikely they respond..This is true for other niche too like Forex try to ask the best for advice Maybe check these I made $1000 today threads and private message creator for advices.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    Mark,

    Could you PM me? (It won't allow me to PM you)...

    It WILL be worth your while.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Mark,

      Could you PM me? (It won't allow me to PM you)...

      It WILL be worth your while.
      Could not contact you either-
      And it seems I can't give email contact too.... i even "wrote" it out.

      Help?

      Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Leedav
    Been there done that good advice from all who posted two things to add from my perspective is focus on a direct path stick with it and Keep it simple when you start to analyze things you find you over do and persevere you make
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    My advice is probably very different to what you will hear on this website.

    I say you should forget get rich quick blueprints and start with concepts of marketing and sales.

    Read some books like "advanced selling strategies" by brian tracy, or "getting everything you can out of all you got" by jay abraham. Or any stuff from dan kennedy.

    These books will just cost you a few dollars but will give you a better start than 1000 make money quick ebooks.

    Understand the principles of sales and marketing, then you will see the internet as just a medium and not be falling for all the passings fads that promise you easy and quick money for clicking a button.

    I have not read an ebook yet that could be followed word for word. I have to always take the principle and adapt it or use it as part of a bigger system in order to make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author AlanGNW
      Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

      I say you should forget get rich quick blueprints and start with concepts of marketing and sales.
      Perhaps the best advice I've read on this forum so far for newbies. The reality is that IM as a business is growing daily fed by self-styled gurus selling dreams rather than solutions.
      • You can make millions in minutes
      • Live the lifestyle you want
      • Make money on auto-pilot etc etc etc etc
      It seems to me that these plans, schemes and dreams are being bought by people with virtually no business experience either on or offline - and they are inevitably doomed to failure. Because, IM like is like any other business requires hard work, talent, imagination, perseverance, time, knowledge and originality.

      The "business opportunity business" has preyed on the innocent for years. Its a sad fact of life that not everyone will succeed. IM because of it's nature will have a higher fallout rate as it's easier to get into than 'real' business. A billion IM'ers dreaming of world domination will create some casualties.

      It's not for everyone - despite what they tell/sell you the vast majority will not succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author nando1125
    Take one thing at a time my friend, also make sure you are doing your keyword research correctly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin12
    Give it time. Better to concentrate on 1 niche area and tactic to start than 5 or 6, like building up a customer list and opt in page first. Squeeze pages and offering freebies on your website is always a good idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    This cracks me up. What are you going to consult with these people on, how to make no money? Dude, you can't even consult yourself to profitability.

    If your adsense has been stuck at $3.96 for weeks, it's because you're getting no traffic, which is most likely the cause of your other failures as well. No traffic, no sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    It's never as easy as it looks...


    Mr. Brenn probably broke quite a few plates before he got it right. If he had given up when he broke the first one, he never would have appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian York
    Hey Mark,

    Don't get discouraged. Most people that achieved anything substantial in life failed numerous times before they succeeded. This is very true for internet marketing.

    It took me quite some time before I made things happen. I wanted to quit and give up a couple of times but I hung in and now reap the rewards.

    My advice to you would be this:

    1. Focus on one system. Find something that you actually enjoy doing and focus on building a business around it. E.g. if you love creating videos, then find a way to be profitable online creating videos etc.

    2. Stick with one system for a long enough period of time. Don't have a goal of making $10,000 in your first month and then quit if you don't reach it. Create a challenging but realistic goal and analysis your business every so often to make sure that you are on track.

    3. Be honest with yourself and do your research before jumping in on any one project. Make sure there is a market for what you are offering.

    4. Get a mentor. I 100% agree with you when you say this is important.

    5. Don't give up! If you are just doing internet marketing because you think it's an easy way to make money then stop now and do something else. Seriously. But if you actually enjoy internet marketing then make it an absolute must to succeed. Cut off all other possibilities in your mind and stick with it until you crack it.

    Keep at it mate, and let us know how you get on
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    • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
      Originally Posted by Christian York View Post

      Hey Mark,

      Don't get discouraged. Most people that achieved anything substantial in life failed numerous times before they succeeded. This is very true for internet marketing.

      It took me quite some time before I made things happen. I wanted to quit and give up a couple of times but I hung in and now reap the rewards.

      My advice to you would be this:

      1. Focus on one system. Find something that you actually enjoy doing and focus on building a business around it. E.g. if you love creating videos, then find a way to be profitable online creating videos etc.

      2. Stick with one system for a long enough period of time. Don't have a goal of making $10,000 in your first month and then quit if you don't reach it. Create a challenging but realistic goal and analysis your business every so often to make sure that you are on track.

      3. Be honest with yourself and do your research before jumping in on any one project. Make sure there is a market for what you are offering.

      4. Get a mentor. I 100% agree with you when you say this is important.

      5. Don't give up! If you are just doing internet marketing because you think it's an easy way to make money then stop now and do something else. Seriously. But if you actually enjoy internet marketing then make it an absolute must to succeed. Cut off all other possibilities in your mind and stick with it until you crack it.

      Keep at it mate, and let us know how you get on
      I would certainly LOVE to focus on ONE thing.... But until something works (sells), how can I know the "one thing?"

      mk.
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      • Profile picture of the author DeadGuy
        Focus, focus, focus. Pick one thing to start with and one thing only. It is just way to easy to "think" that something is not working only because you have not given it enough time. Part of the problem is the hype that leads people to believe they can get rich overnight.
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        You are making this work at home stuff way harder than it is. Ready for some sanity? Clear your head and start over.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

    This cracks me up. What are you going to consult with these people on, how to make no money? Dude, you can't even consult yourself to profitability.

    If your adsense has been stuck at $3.96 for weeks, it's because you're getting no traffic, which is most likely the cause of your other failures as well. No traffic, no sales.
    Well, yes on the traffic - but even worse I have a feeling this guy should not be peddling what he is.

    Come on - commission blueprint 2 is a MMO product, right? Helps to actually make some money online before pushing this stuff. Not to mention, I just googled that term - competition is fierce. If you are not page one for that you are paying a lot for adwords or you are buried.

    You need to crawl before you can walk. Right now, you barely wiggled a toe.
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    • Profile picture of the author genietoast
      Two Words: Chris Farrell. (Not the finance guy, BTW)

      The best IM mentor I've seen to date, especially for struggling newbies.

      Why?

      Because he can teach.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
      Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

      Well, yes on the traffic - but even worse I have a feeling this guy should not be peddling what he is.

      Come on - commission blueprint 2 is a MMO product, right? Helps to actually make some money online before pushing this stuff. Not to mention, I just googled that term - competition is fierce. If you are not page one for that you are paying a lot for adwords or you are buried.

      You need to crawl before you can walk. Right now, you barely wiggled a toe.
      Sorry I made a mistake: It was Niche Blueprint 2.0 (not commission blueprint). It's a dropship (type) of business storefront website. Mine was personal protection products (tazers, stun guns, alarms...)

      mk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    Alright, let me decipher this post and let you know what's up.

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now
    Eight months isn't nearly long enough. I've been at this game for two years and counting and I'm still trying to crack the code.

    Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    This could be because of a number of things:

    1. You haven't done your research properly.
    2. Your competition is way too high for the keywords you're trying to rank for.
    3. Your site just looks unattractive and bombarded with ads.
    4. You just haven't been working hard at SEO, link building, and gaining ways to get traffic.

    Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    I have to tell you - Clickbank sucks a gorilla's ass now. In my opinion, it is trash. But of course why they aren't converting is because your presell probably isn't right, or for one of the four reasons above.

    Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    There is no C&P system out there! If there was we'd all be rich. Anyone who claims you can copy, paste, and profit is pulling your leg (and your money out your wallet), and you should stay FAR away!

    My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    Those typically don't convert. And even if they did, you would still have to work on your KW research, SEO, link building, and whatnot.

    I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    This is probably the funniest thing I've heard all day, I swear. I just don't know what else to say. But I implore you, and I want to make this loud and clear - DON'T DO OFFLINE CONSULTING! Don't get me started on that.

    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.
    I honestly don't think you're cursed, man.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.
    You have a tihsload of "mentors" right here on the forum. Just ask questions incessantly whenever you're stuck on something, get answers, then move on and take action on what you've learned. But to be mentored 1-on-1, good luck on trying to find somebody that will do it for free.

    And as far as "systems", I can honestly recommend three of them:

    Micro Niche Adsense Course (AKA The XFactor Course)

    Profitzon
    Article Income Blueprint

    The only three actually worth buying out of the hundreds of junk you see.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff.
    19-20-15-16! I'll let you figure that out.

    Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?
    I just did, but final words: Don't give up. Making a living online is a huge pipe dream which only a select few achieve. It's all about hard work, determination, and the drive to succeed. If you find something that works, stick with it. If you find something that DOESN'T work, ask questions and try and correct what you're doing wrong, and if it still doesn't work, let it go and move on. Don't just implement it, say it doesn't work, then immediately move on. Just explore what you want to do next and see if it's feasible. And don't fall for those "methods" that claim they can earn you money in an hour or less.

    You're on your way, man. Keep going.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
      Who are you Biggy Fat?

      What does your code mean?
      [Mathematically it equals -32]

      mk.
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    • Profile picture of the author TammieJJ
      Ditto on his course recommendations - Adsense Masters & Profitzon are the two best I've found. Haven't checked out the other one yet, but will do so if it ranks up with the other two.

      Keep plugging away. It takes time to build a successful online business. And, I know it's tempting to try every new "make money" product that you find, but the real key is to find ONE way and work that until you start to see the money. Nearly all of the "make money" methods can work, but regardless of what you read or hear, all of them take time and real effort.

      And, one final piece of advice. Spend less time trying to figure out how to do, and lots more time doing it. Limit your time reading about how to make money, limit your time in forums, and limit your time doing ANYTHING other than building up your websites, building backlinks, and promoting your sites online. If you aren't working directly on your business, then the time spent doesn't count. There are lots of people who will spend hours, days, months, and even years trying to learn how to make money online, but almost no time actually doing the work. And, if you don't actually do the work, you cannot ever expect to succeed.

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Boy
    OK Mark Christen said it well "If you are just doing internet marketing because you think it's an easy way to make money then stop now and do something else. Seriously. But if you actually enjoy internet marketing then make it an absolute must to succeed. Cut off all other possibilities in your mind and stick with it until you crack it". I'm not going to leave you in the dark; here is the three "G's" of a good business that i found for the average guy like me:
    1. "Get" a good referred mentor [you can get a name from the comments above]
    2. "Get" a positive outlook
    3. "Get" committed and expect three years to build your business properly
    Hope this helps put things into perspective Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelbnielsen
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    Hi Mark,
    Been there done that. I believe you like myself got the picture that money would just flow "over night" and "automatically". Listing to successful marketeers and one can easily get that picture.

    Today I see the learning process closer to learning to fly an air plan. You do not just jump in the captain seat. You have to start out correct and then gradually become the captain.

    What I did was to find someone already doing what I wanted to do. Then I offered my time to help them out in exchange for the learning process.

    After a while as helping hand and with a new idea for a product of my own, I went from being a helping hand into a partnership with my mentor. I shared the profit and did all the work, while being coached. I had become the co-pilot.

    Only then did I become the captain of my own.

    Mark, I hope you will not give up and will keep DOING. Beside doing things it is equal important when you do them.

    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author Conrad Stuart
    8 months is NOT that long of a time. Don't give up yet. IM is a whole Sload of trial and error.

    Soon enough( as I have just recently done) you will hit a point where everything clicks. Seriously.

    Once it clicks, take massive action. Thats it.

    Also, one thing that really sticks out in my mind is that for all my failed projects (probably 10) that I have failed at, each time I learned what NOT to do. Keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karenann
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    I'm just like you only have been trying for 2 years. I have found one mentor who has excellent training videos. My poor memory means I have to watch them time and time again, however you look a lot younger than me so try Ewan Chia.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
      Originally Posted by Karenann View Post

      I'm just like you only have been trying for 2 years. I have found one mentor who has excellent training videos. My poor memory means I have to watch them time and time again, however you look a lot younger than me so try Ewan Chia.
      Hi Karen-

      No one is younger than me. I'm 52!
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  • Profile picture of the author JonMills
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    Yes mark your cursed if you keep doing what you have been doing.

    It's time to reassess

    What are you consulting people on? hopefully not how to make money online

    How many sites do you have?
    Any affiliate based ones and i dont mean clickbank products?
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    • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
      Originally Posted by JonMills View Post

      Yes mark your cursed if you keep doing what you have been doing.

      It's time to reassess

      What are you consulting people on? hopefully not how to make money online

      How many sites do you have?
      Any affiliate based ones and i dont mean clickbank products?
      Hey Jon-
      My consulting is for site building and SEO help for small businesses.

      I have ~12 sites. 2 clickbank review sites, 2 clickbank blogs + ads, 1 local (wichita) site with ads, 1 diet suppliments site with ads for CJ and Amazon, 4 amazon (passive) sites, 1 storefront site, 1 my-company (consultant) site + ads, and a couple of "transition" sites. Why do you ask for non-clickbank affiliate sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bayo
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    Hi Mark,

    First of all take heart and be encouraged.

    The 'right' action does indeed matter, however, taking action is a lot more than many people who will read your thread have ever done. So it's not all bad.

    I agree with the comments about the 'local consultant' approach because even though what you offer is free, what's not mentioned publicly is that our target audience will only respond if:

    1. Your offer is exciting and irresistible to them
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    2. People know they'll get what they want or what they need from the session with you
      .
    3. There's a sense of urgency or scarcity
    These are 3 of the most critical components of how to successfully offer free, no cost strategy session and get interested and qualified local business owners to rush to your offer.

    Information Overload

    From what you mentioned, you already know some of the issues. With so much free a.k.a 'distracting' information available nowadays, it's even easier to rapidly go off course and end up some place else.

    You also have answered your own question...you're better off investing in yourself and your success.

    I am a firm believer in the fact that you'll never have a more important customer or client than yourself, and so when people are reluctant to invest in their own education and improvement it often ends up the way they'd rather it didn't.

    Maybe not what you'd like to hear but trust me, I've been down that road before and the things I mentioned above helped me course correct and get the results I wanted.

    Conclusion

    1. Determine what you want to achieve and write it down
    2. Find the information you need in order to make it happen
    3. Apply that information immediately
    4. Allow time for results to show up and be sure to test and track if not you can't measure your success
    5. Review your results and tweak as necessary
    6. Repeat for as long as you want to or until you get tired of additional success
    You can do it, all it takes is these steps above and to always remember that IMPOSSIBLE isn't a fact, it's only an opinion!


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  • Profile picture of the author mariahm
    Bottom line. Focus on one thing at a time until you get really good at it. Then start with something else.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpkoontz
      Originally Posted by mariahm View Post

      Bottom line. Focus on one thing at a time until you get really good at it. Then start with something else.
      Thanks but again,
      I was looking for WHAT to focus on?
      -Should I focus on list building?
      -Is there a course worth buying? (I've probably "short tested" ~15)
      -Do you think this CB Predators is worth trying?

      I tend to like "longer term ways" like blogs, but I've been desperately looking for a short term money maker to fill in until the longer term stuff comes alive.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ross Vegas
        Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

        but I've been desperately looking for a short term money maker to fill in until the longer term stuff comes alive.
        Well that about sums it up...

        Like pretty much everyone that's gone before you, you're looking for a quick fix solution, without truly understanding the problem.

        First off, I make my own sales, affiliate sales, adsense commissions, recurring sales, build lists, have top rankings, my own affiliates, and have darn near done and seen it all. This is just my experience along the way.

        There are two basic ways to make money online.

        Through marketing, or through mass traffic generation. (when you can do both watch out!)

        Most people don't truly "get" marketing and go for the "easy" kill (mindless traffic generation). Example - Adsense sites, link bombing, mass site creation, super mega backlink packets, etc...

        also known as throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks

        The trouble for most with that general idea is that you need to hit the buyer traffic, and most isn't, or else gets heaps of junk traffic worth only pennies (adsense).

        This is actually not that bad to use free methods to get lots of traffic over mass amounts of keywords as long as you keep track of the referring site, or keyword, and know when you've found a winner...but it's hit or miss and requires persistence and thought.

        So what now?

        Online, there are two basic extremes of mentalities of users... information searching and surfing, or knows what they want and buying. Info searchers can be on a sliding scale of zero intention, some kind of vague intention, to full specific intention (ex. "buy xyz brand product"...

        I have experience in all levels...but knows what they want and buying is awesome! I have an e-commerce site that has done over 6 figures from one basic keyword and it's handful of variations.

        But you ought to see the laundry list of keywords in my analytics that NEVER generate sales. They have some intention, but I either fail to offer what they want, or they just weren't serious enough.

        Quiet frankly, with such a hit or miss strategy trying to find the extreme end of the spectrum, your odds are stacked against you my man...

        That is, until you can learn marketing.

        Marketing is basically about learning to convert the information searcher, or the non-buyer, or not sure buyer, into your buyer.

        Examples... Offering freebies to get on a list, one time offers, targeted reviews, bonus offers, special prices, webinars, product launches, persuasive articles, jv's, building authority and trust, etc...

        Now, at the very core of marketing, is knowing the type of audience, how to communicate with them, creating value to match their wants/needs, and then persuading the sale.

        You are probably not really putting in the effort and thought into understanding the product and the targeted buyer, and subsequently matching them up.

        This can be quite the mystery, even to seasoned veterans. People are weird, and unpredictable at times.

        You must learn to create or communicate value, answer and remove objections, and all to the appropriate audience.

        In short, you're looking for methods, but skipping the actual marketing. It's understandable. nobody teaches "marketing" anyway because nobody buys it. You usually only find it hidden in the trenches of products behind the flashy methods. People don't want to think, they generally just want some method to blindly follow. So you probably won't find this type of info in too many IM products.

        As suggested, you should probably look into some physical books on marketing, and selling.

        Once you get it, the quick fix is easy.

        Another example, I could no doubt make a product this afternoon, and sell it in the WSO tomorrow and make money, but that doesn't mean anyone else can do the same. See, the method itself isn't the answer. Without knowing the marketing, the audience, or what they value, a WSO could be a giant flop.

        As for the consulting...that further proves the point. If you can't market free stuff, you're failing at the marketing.

        Finding what people want is easy...selling and marketing the thing is harder.

        Once you understand this principle than you can use about any method you want...

        But if you're not answering the right questions to the right person, you're failing at the marketing, and all you can do then is try to hunt down the few folks that know exactly what they want and are ready to buy right now, regardless of persuasive copy and all that.

        And they are much more elusive.

        Keep working, the money is out there by the tons...I've got heaps of sales emails and customer data to prove it.

        You're trying to learn, and that's a great start.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayor
    The best advice for newbies: Stop following GURU's who create products for newbies so they can make money, always look out for ones who genuinly have your well being at heart. when they release a product for you. I went through this for a while before i figure it out, I was on one guys list for a year and all i get is the newbie stuff and newbie howto all the time, how do you think i will make money from that..... Hell no i wouldnt. He just kept people in the excitment mode you found yourself when you heard about internet marketing and you never thake the acction to actually make the money. You will have to figure this out yourself... I DID.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rickling
      Originally Posted by Dayor View Post

      The best advice for newbies: Stop following GURU's who create products for newbies so they can make money, always look out for ones who genuinly have your well being at heart. when they release a product for you. I went through this for a while before i figure it out, I was on one guys list for a year and all i get is the newbie stuff and newbie howto all the time, how do you think i will make money from that..... Hell no i wouldnt. He just kept people in the excitment mode you found yourself when you heard about internet marketing and you never thake the acction to actually make the money. You will have to figure this out yourself... I DID.
      True that is I am on an affiliate sites to build my list it pretty good we control how we get them.
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      • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
        It's time to change the niche.

        Niche products you are promoting must have too much competition and less buyers.

        Select a hot niche.

        For example : Justin Bieber is very popular on Twitter these days. Someone took his misspelled name as a domain and listed on Flippa.com for sale. You know what a domain costs.

        Take a look at this listing :

        http://flippa.com/auctions/93893/Jus...R3-Domain-Name

        Buyers are ready to pay $16,500+ for this domain. You can calculate the profits now.

        Selecting a hot niche is very important for all online money making methods.

        You can use Google trends, Amazon bestsellers, eBay pulse and Clickbank marketplace top gravity products for that purpose.

        One more important thing newbies don't do is spying on the successful competitors. If your competitors are ahead of you, you can't make money online. You have to do either better or equal quality work what they are doing.

        Good Luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author Davy Norton
        Hey i was in the same boat as you ontill i got a coach/mentor its the best thing you can do if you want to build an online buisness set up a blog get you readers get them to leave comments find out what they want to learn from you before you make money you have to no how to build and run an online business then you can start making money
        hope this helps

        thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author ucheboy
    Just want to thank everyone for this great mentoring advices. I'm really encouraged too.

    I.m just like you Mark. Been around for about two years on Internet Marketing and probably have little or nothing to show for it. I'm right in your shoes Mark, and I feel exactly how you feel.

    But I have learnt a lot from these great contributions and I'm already beginning to plan on boiling down all my effort on one thing at a time. That's probably the biggest lesson I have learnt from this thread.

    Thank you all again for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.

    I can understand your frustration, simply because building a business online is more difficult than building a business in the Brick and Mortar world. (I know, because I have tried both!)


    First things first, you need to avoid any advertisement, sales page or inducement that tells you how you can make lots of money overnight or in a few weeks or even 60 days. These ads are no more realistic than the lose ten pounds overnight nonsense.


    The unscrupulous marketers use your desperation against you to get you involved in their scheme. (I personally challenge any of these so-called marketers to prove they can make thousands in 48 hours from scratch!)


    The problem to making money online is two-fold:


    1. Expecting to make instant money (Instant gratification) with little or no effort. You are NOT going to make money quickly! It takes time, sometimes a few weeks and sometimes a few months and a lot of work.


    2. Wasting huge amounts of efforts on things that do not work.
    Most likely, the area you are working in is not yet giving you a return because you are spending too much time on things that are not working.
    Without knowing the program you are following, the advice you have been given and the process by which you are using to earn money online, it is difficult to critique what it is you are doing that is not producing an income.


    However, I can give you some general techniques that may work for you:
    There are two basic rules to making money (this applies in the real world as well as the online world):


    Rule #1 STOP SELLING and START GIVING!
    Rule #2 If you are not making any money online, refer to rule #1


    Have you ever been in a store and there was a lady handing out free food samples? You tried it, you maybe didn't buy the product, however, it gave you a good feeling and you appreciate the store more because they did something nice. This applies in the online world as well.


    Make a webpage where you will giveaway something, sort of like a free sample, in exchange for the visitors email address. (You can use a simple html formmail or if you do not have access to that through your domain server, you can use the free PHPlist program.)


    Here is a good example: FREE Miliion Dollar Advertising Report
    Whatever you do, make sure your freebie is valuable enough to get your customer to come back. Many marketers make the mistake of giving away some PLR report or software that is essentially useless to the recipient.


    Make sure it is useful, and if it is software, make sure it works. (Would you be happy if the free food sample at the store tasted like spoiled milk?)
    Once you have their email address, send the freebie, and NOW, you are beginning to build a list. Start to promote that Free Report page everywhere! In forums, twitter, blogs, article directories, web directories.


    The trick is to build a targeted list of people who are ALREADY interested in your product/brand/website, because THEY requested your informational freebie. Now use that list and email a newsletter, or short message promoting a different aspect of your business. Send out a new angle each week or 10 days.


    I realize I may have oversimplified this process, yet it is an effective course of action, and the basic meat and potatoes is right here!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rickling
    I think list building is good but what prob I hae is how do you get the list you offer FRee products too into a buying a product list damn hard as most are there for the FREE offer nothing more!!!!! My guess keep filling it and you maybe get one in 50 buying off you hopefully better but the amount is the key?
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  • Profile picture of the author NeilC
    Don't think "Internet marketing" or even "affiliate marketing" is it, those are just fairly general terms.

    Focus on exactly how you are going to make money, you could even say "choose you're weapon!"

    Then make sure you know how to use it.

    Finally take MASSIVE ACTION

    I know you've heard that before but it's true.

    Look at the way thousands of people make money with websites and you'll soon see that it does involve some effort or if you outsource the work you need to be very organised with it.

    Keep it simple, we don't all need to be predators or snipers.

    It's good to keep up with the latest techniques but you can always just try using what's been working for years,

    all the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    Mark, the one thing I found to be true about internet marketing is:

    There's no one-fit-all system or strategy that works 100% of the time.

    I believe that the only sure-fire way to make money online is to either
    hire a mentor that will take you by hand (not video tutorials) and correct
    your mistakes as you go to tweak your own personal "system" approach or
    to spend enough time, money and effort to develop a system of your own.

    I'm sorry to tell you that, but all the "Copy-Paste" systems never seem to work
    out the way it's promised on the sales page...

    Igor
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    My best advice to you Mark is to not look for the money. Let the money come to you.

    Far too often we don't know that we are pushing the money away by wanting it so badly causing it to repel from us. Just think of it as something you do in your spare time that's fun and before you know it the money will start to flow...
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  • Profile picture of the author c4newworld
    I suggest you create adsense for feeds, link building, site submission, domain forwarding, join forums with your signature and many other things that your can discover on the net that you can add link to your site. There are lots of freebies on the net.

    There are young kids earning online and people didn't even finish any course. A degree is not a guarantee. Be patient, experiences online matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    Don't give up there is still plenty of room left for anyone that really wants to succeed on IM, you should decide which niche you want to dive in, it can be your hobby, your most favorite thing you do in your life. Then create a product related to that niche, solved the people problem you find from your niche. Then start selling the niche
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  • Profile picture of the author RokNStoK
    Mark,
    Dont discount the lessons you have learned the last 8 months. Just because you don't have so much money to show doesn't mean that you have 'nothing' to show for your efforts.

    I sounds to me like you have been chasing 'easy money'. Nothing wrong with that... except that it's never as easy as it's made out to be. What you really need is a 'project' that you can believe in and sink your teeth into.

    Think about your personal experiences over the last 8 months. Think about some of the difficulties you've had and how 'somebody could have made that easier for you'. Guess what, you might be that very person to 'make it easier for the next person'. Necessity is the mother of all invention. Now that you've tried the get rich quick schemes... consider actually making a valuable contribution.

    Your Internet journey mirrors my own experience in many ways Mark! I have no doubt yo will find your 'calling'. Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author jminkler
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    As for the Clickbank, I can tell you you have to be VERY careful of the offers you choose to promote. I have the most success with Products outside of "making money" like - Gaming Guides, TidySongs, Baseball Coaching videos ... Forget the gravity points they are worthless. Take a GOOD look at the site. Does it try to steal your visitor by offering a newsletter? Are there too many ways for the user to "get lost" in the sale process (other links, other sales promotions etc). Does it have annoying RED text? Does it use WAY LARGE FONT? Most importantly, does your affiliate link show when you click the sales button. I compiled a list here:

    http://smdn.us/ProfitCoder/the-news/...kbank-products

    If the Local companies don't want anything for free, SHOW them what you can do to get them ranked, WITHOUT TELLING THEM. There are plenty of things you can do to increase their visibility on the se's. Write an article or two or five, without even telling them, write an honest review of say - their restaurant. Put the review on xomba, ezines, etc and link back to their site. Show them you can provide value to them BEFORE you try to sell them anything.

    That's what's wrong with 90% of this entire forum...

    ps. If you have a twitter account sign up for ad.ly and mylikes.com it's not "big bucks" but it pays the hosting costs
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    • Profile picture of the author netkid
      Hey Mark,

      I would get rid of all the current stuff you are working on for now and start from scratch again. You actually gave yourself a great preliminary "education" on the typical internet avenues that don't give any meaningful return for the short term...so first lesson learned here.

      Second, when "starting from scratch" on your internet endeavour, pick one path to market your product or service. It is most important to find what people want. Some things are, "making money" (of course), but focus on the "fringe" topics/niches (long tail) like "personal credit repair," "5 minute work outs for baby boomers," etc., (you get the idea.) Just use common sense on what to focus on. Leave the "desperation" mode of thinking behind you. 8 months is and was a good "teaching moment" for you.

      Third, research and again, use common sense on how you can reach your target market to sell a potential product or service. I would suggest after you pick that niche, Google it so you can find where that niche is found where people are talking about it. You will find forums, dedicate websites, blogs, etc., dedicated to that niche. Then, creatively find ways to reach them and get involved in "their world." Make constructive comments on the blogs, subscribe to the newsletters, send personal emails to related websites to find out even more information about them and also mention your product or service for possible joint ventures. Get to know your niche industry "inside and out."

      Lastly, I would FORGET the list building stuff that eveyone and their "mother" are selling you now and concentrate on getting your product or service that you make, promoted to the lists of established companies already communicating with their thousands of customers. Buying insertions of text ads to their lists are probably the most logical way (and most reasonable in cost) to go for you to get some results soon. These are proven buyers of a product or service that complements the customer list of the company you are "partnering" with. Saves you tremendous time/money in having to "build" your own list for now.

      The best way to get your own product or service after all your research is with a PLR product in your niche that you can rewrite in your name and make yourself the "expert" in that niche.

      Immerse yourself completely in the product or service you intend on selling and make yourself the expert in that niche.

      If you concentrate on that one niche/topic, you can later do spin off products later.

      Don't expect "overnight" riches. The internet has so few "get rich quick" stories out there. Many of the most successful IM successes here took time to develop....trial and error and all that. Key is, they never gave up.

      That's the most simplest way I know that you can get to go where you want to go!

      Hope that helps,

      Bruce
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    • Profile picture of the author Aljernon
      If the Local companies don't want anything for free, SHOW them what you can do to get them ranked, WITHOUT TELLING THEM. There are plenty of things you can do to increase their visibility on the se's. Write an article or two or five, without even telling them, write an honest review of say - their restaurant. Put the review on xomba, ezines, etc and link back to their site. Show them you can provide value to them BEFORE you try to sell them anything.

      That's what's wrong with 90% of this entire forum...

      ps. If you have a twitter account sign up for ad.ly and mylikes.com it's not "big bucks" but it pays the hosting costs
      I am glad to know that I am not alone at being so frustrated... The quote about providing VALUE -- is really something that I've come to focus on. I was selling my services way too low. Recently, I have just about doubled my rates and become LESS available .. and man. what a difference!

      When I tell people that I'm not accepting clients until mid June, they look at my crazy, but it's working for me!

      I am glad that I found this forum as it's a great place for me to learn about IM -- I may stick around for awhile and see what's up, but the more I try and learn, read and get involved in, the more confused I get!

      Oh well -- life is a journey!

      I also like the idea of the big Do-Over, I did that myself and it's been great! Starting from a clean slate
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  • Profile picture of the author diesiel
    from my experience take what people post on online forums with a grain of salt. Alot of people will purposefully misinform you just so you don't step on their territory. Gotta figure out and test on your own
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    This is a pretty typical first attempt. Contrary to what you read from the BS'ers all over this forum, your hardship is actually perfectly normal. Nobody jumps in and starts making good money. Always be working to improve your skill set. This is certainly not the "no special skills required" industry that the scammers around here tell you.

    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    "I might be a noob, but you are an even newer noob. You need me."

    lol j/k
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    Listen to Ross vegas...

    Thats about the best all round advice I have seen on any forum anywhere, and should be made a sticky.

    Print it out and refer to it every time you hit a wall in your marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author nortong
    Forget it!

    No such thing as making money on the internet, but you could design a one page sales pitch with a picture of a gull-wing Lamborghini and a beach side apartment in the Canary Islands as a header and an image of a PayPal page showing daily deposits of $879, charge $197 telling people how to make money on the internet....mention things like..er.. Clickbank (does anybody actually BUY anything from CB) SEO, list building, squeeze pages, ranking, backlinks....sausages....revolving doors...orange peel...zzzzzzzzzzz.....taken me 3 years for the penny to drop!

    I make my living in the real world, seriously, use the internet to promote a real product or service and use it as you would a newspaper classified ad.
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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    What you have been doing is grunt work for product amd online business owners that some people in India and Malaysia get paid $1 an hour to do. Sorry but that is pretty close to market value now.

    That is why you need to create online brands and businesses if you want to make good money online.

    We may not work in an office but there is still a massive org chart of all online work being done and you need to position yourself at the top.
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  • Profile picture of the author dlawrtz
    Great advice above. Don't quit you just found a few ways that didn't work for you. Once you break through to the profit side you'll be glad you didn't quit. Somebody once said
    "quitters never win and winners never quit
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  • Profile picture of the author Agoge Warrior
    Focus, Focus, Focus, and focus! I can't think of any other word that describes what you should do as an Internet Marketer....If there is anything I have learned from the group on this forum it's that 1 word. We get bombarded by sooooo much information about differing strategies, methods, products, etc. That you start to get confused. And a lot of new affiliate marketers, me included in the beginning, think this thing is going to be a breeze and you will soon start to see the dough flowing in. And that is just not the case.
    My recommendation is to start off selecting 1 method of marketing, learn as much as you can about it, and DO IT! Implement that method and focus on it. Don't take your mind off of it. After a while you will start to see the rewards.......

    Then take the $ you earned and start looking at other methods or ramping up what you have already done.

    If you lose focus and stray into so many arenas at one time, you will get lost, get frustrated, and give up........

    Keep the focus!
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  • Profile picture of the author jitterbug978
    Well IMO this thread almost deserves sticky status, there is so much info here that is absolutely GOLDEN for anyone starting out/having trouble with internet marketing. Remember your not just building "Websites" your building a business, dont plan for the short term... Make all of your goals long term. Work hard and it will come to you in time.
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  • Profile picture of the author pitocus
    Originally Posted by mpkoontz View Post

    Been trying to make money online for 8 months now:
    • Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    • Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    • Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    • My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    • I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Am I cursed? I fell like I'm hitting my head against a wall.

    I would sorely like to get a mentor who can tell me what's important and what's not.
    I would like to find a "system" I can TRUST to be current and isn't crap.

    I guess I've purchased too many courses and read too much free stuff. Can anybody point me in the right direction to building a business online?

    Thanks,
    Mark.
    Well, you can earn serious money by making a WSO telling how you were in this situation and made a WSO and started earning serious money...

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  • Profile picture of the author jteatom
    Great post. I too am new to the internet marketing scene and know what it is like to get information overload. Just want to say thanks to all who answered this post. All replies have some very good information. I too will be listening to these ideas and pointers.
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    • Profile picture of the author pauly99
      I'm in the same situation as you Mark. I've put up a dozen or so websites, promoted Clickbank products, did some article marketing, I've got a PLR website with a couple thousand articles, and a couple of blogs. The current blog is what I do in my offline business (I'm a real estate investor) and it is my passion. Yes, I'm all over the place but I'm doing what Mark is trying to do... figure out what works and go from there. I think I need to take from these discussions the same thing that Mark needs to take from it and specialize on one thing.

      As an aside, I've been doing this for maybe 18 months. About 12 months ago I started promoting my "credit repair" blog with Adsense. It took me about 6 months to get my first Adsense check for just over $100. It then took about 4 months to get the next for a little over $100. I'd like to get to the point where I'm making $100 a day with Adsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author ericshef
    It's great that you have taken action and done a few things when you first start out you can get very overwhelmed.so I wanted to just give you a few tips first pick one thing that you like and do it all the way. You have to remember that this is not a short race this is a long race and you have to stay at it for the long haul.turst me just keep working at it and you will see good things happen it just takes time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adria.John
    Yea, Google Adsense is really difficult for newbies i think. It seems really simple to all but in reality, its really difficult. The main disadvantage of Google AdSense is that, for some people, it's not quite targeted enough. Your business may be part of a very narrow field, or there may already be some very good ad services relating to your business. In these cases, or if you already have an ad service that works, AdSense may just be superfluous. In this case, Google's ads may just be unnecessary clutter on your site. After all, the most important thing is to serve your readers and customers, which means that you don't want to annoy them by over-marketing to them. It never hurts to keep things simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    i think IM isn't for everyone. there is no clear cut formula to make guaranteed money. in order to be successful you'd have to think outside of the box and come up with your own method, niche, and ideas. good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author brieat
    You need to spend some time learning some skills -- I would recommend copywriting and PPC. Pick a product to promote, write your landing page and drive traffic to it. If you have a small budget then do article marketing to it. It took me a while to get the hang of article marketing but one small projected made me $xxxx in profit and it has been smooth sailing since then. Just don't give up!
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  • Profile picture of the author MassiveMarketer
    It's never easy but learn from the past, move on and make a new start. Just focus on one business and make it grow. Don't try everything at once. Once you've learned your way around you can go on and branch out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danielle Zack
    WOW! A lot of great advice for you! The truth is, we can all tell you what has worked for us, but that's simply what has worked for us. You have to find your place. You need to start out by deciding what your passion is and what you are meant to offer the world. I didn't have any success until I took the time to discover what I am passionate about. When you discover your passion you discover your niche and target market. It just makes the game so much easier.

    You mentioned having blogs. Are you branding yourself? That is KEY to creating a presence online. Brand yourself and build a fanbase, they'll respect you and trust your advice on products they should buy. With that, it is CRUCIAL to have a list you can continuously communicate and promote to. That is really the First Step. It will be your asset on-line.

    For me, it's all about creating a plan of action and fully completing one step before I move on to the next. I've been all over the place like you with the same results, one step at a time.

    I just came across some information this morning that you will probably find useful. It's geared toward MLM but really is useful for any online marketer. It's a video series and the first video talks all about list building. mlmlaunchformula.com

    Hang in there and it will all come together. It appears you have a lot of help, but feel free to connect if there's anything I can do for you or help with.

    Danielle
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    I will tell you what I tell other people who feel frustrated, depressed and are contemplating to quit this whole IM thing.

    If you have done it for 4 years but no result, quit! But the food thing is that you said that you have done it for just 8 years, No! 8 months.

    Please focus on one thing or test many things, find out what works for you and keep doing it until you get the desired result.
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  • Profile picture of the author deannatroupe
    Okay here's my two cents on this issue. I was like you, I followed every big name launch and tried just about everything that was free or cheap. It wasn't until I ran into Willie Crawford and Lynn Terry that things started changing for me. Now mind you, I'm not rich, but I am waay more focused than I was before. I started just paying attention to two people instead of hundreds. If I don't see the person mentioned by one of them I move on. Personally I decided to focus on product creation because I'd much rather have a list of buyers than one of freebie seekers. I love to write and I love to research so that was a no brainer for me. You have to decide what it is you love doing that people will pay for and stick with that. It may take a while for you to find that, but once you do focus on that. I hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    Adsense income is $3.96 and has been STUCK there for weeks.
    Selling Clickbank products on my blogs, direct link, blogger, and my review sites has sold nothing.
    Copy/paste system had NO sales. How can you mess that up? I had clicks, but no sales (adwords & facebook).
    My e-store site (commission blueprint 2) has had no sales (even after a banner campaign).
    I've even tried some local "consultant" stuff with NO takers EVEN FOR FREE!
    Dude, that's way too many things you are focusing on.

    Sit Down, think out a plan and execute it for atleast 90 Days.
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  • Profile picture of the author nasstar
    I think you should look else where like promoting physical products as opposed to downloads, you can look at places like SFI and the likes.A lot people are fed up of digital products that fail to fulfill promised benefits.
    You can promote physical products that people can see and relate with, products that are in everyday demand.This is a line i have decided to tow myself after not much luck with so may other programmes i have bought into.
    Good luck.
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