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Warriors - The Big Players are ripping off your ideas....

by lifeonfire
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Have you noticed the big launches are some the same topics of the hottest Warriors Special Offers?

Look at the past local marketing courses that were very popular like Maria Gudelis' course. Now there's a product on that same topic.

Outsourcing is one of the top subjects in the forums and the WSO forum.. now we have a course.

Now, I'm not saying the gurus are taking advantage of you but you should notice the SAME thing. What's hot? That's what the gurus are doing on this forum and they're creating a product based on the successful WSO topics and the forum's hottest topic.

Now you can do the same thing. The leverage they have is their herd that buys anything they put up and they'll charge a lot more for their package. Keep trying and watch the forum.
#big #ideas #players #ripping #warriors
  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    It's all about trends. Plenty of new stuff gets tested here before it hits the general public.

    Not sure if there is much ripping off as much as people noticing new changes in the marketplace.
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    • Profile picture of the author lifeonfire
      Brad of all people you should know the "ripping off" was the bait.

      And you're right, the gurus use forums especially the WF for idea trolling. Just by watching what they roll out, you'll see the relation to the top subjects here. Why? Because the WF is their herd!

      Ciao Brad!
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    • Profile picture of the author George Gomez
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      It's all about trends. Plenty of new stuff gets tested here before it hits the general public.

      Not sure if there is much ripping off as much as people noticing new changes in the marketplace.
      I agreee with Brad. It's all about the trends. You have to go with what people are already buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Your post sort of has the flavor of the "us versus them" notion. Just an observation.

    You said:

    Now you can do the same thing.
    ... You're exactly right.

    There is absolutely NOTHING stopping someone from having their own big launch.

    Some people don't see beyond the WSO forum. Their business lives and dies inside that one forum. Their idea of a "launch" is to release a WSO, put it in their sig file and tell their previous WSO buyers about it.

    That's kind of like Apple selling iPads only in New York. It's just one part of the overall market.

    Some people on this forum need to stop thinking about "making money" and start thinking about "building a business." One way to do that is to develop customers, subscribers, products and JV partner lists outside of this forum. Folks can have their own big launch rather than sitting on the sidelines fuming when a guru launches a similar product.

    Cheers,
    Becky

    p.s. As for your point -- indeed, many marketers (both big and small) watch the WF. And many WF members keep their finger on the pulse of their market and launch WSOs to match.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      Their idea of a "launch" is to release a WSO, put it in their sig file and tell their previous WSO buyers about it.
      Yeah, that would be me.

      But I'm sophisticated, see? I've got lines in my sig file to generate interest in products I haven't launched yet. It's more like a real launch.

      Seriously, my first product WSO was made in almost complete ignorance, and I screwed it up eight ways to Sunday. I'm about to do my fourth, and there's been a lot of testing and learning and tweaking on the way. I've gotten better at not borking things up, but I still do here and there... and the WaFo is a safe place to bork things up. People here understand if you make a mistake and have to say "oops, screwed that up, fixed now." The whole wide world... not so much.

      Each and every WSO I've released has tested new ways of doing things, and I've learned a lot from it. I've done one-shot membership, product with attached e-course, dime sale, intro offer, promised upgrade, bonuses both announced and unannounced, sub-product promotion... I'm experimenting.

      The basic idea here is that once I get it more or less right, I can release a lot more products on a much faster time scale to a much larger market. If I try to do too much, too fast, and too big... well, I won't be able to pay enough attention to all the variables.

      And maybe that, in and of itself, is a kind of screwing up. Maybe I really ought to be releasing more products faster in a bigger market. But I'm not going to second-guess myself on it; I've chosen this approach, and I'm going to stick with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        The basic idea here is that once I get it more or less right, I can release a lot more products on a much faster time scale to a much larger market. If I try to do too much, too fast, and too big... well, I won't be able to pay enough attention to all the variables.

        And maybe that, in and of itself, is a kind of screwing up. Maybe I really ought to be releasing more products faster in a bigger market. But I'm not going to second-guess myself on it; I've chosen this approach, and I'm going to stick with it.
        I'd much rather see people thinking and testing for themselves than simply following a do this, do that outline. The former generally learns how to adapt and thrive faster when conditions change, the latter scratches their head and looks for someone else to show them another "system" when the former one breaks down.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          I'd much rather see people thinking and testing for themselves than simply following a do this, do that outline.
          I've tried the "do this, do that" outlines, but most people can't explain why you do things a particular way... and most of the rest clearly don't know why, and are just making things up.

          I have the significant advantage of coming to this with a couple decades of brick and mortar business experience, so when someone tells me how online business works, I can run it through a pretty reliable bullsquat filter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    New ideas and methods are rare.

    It's how the seller presents his point of view regarding the particular subject that matters.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It works both ways. Watch the WSO titles and you'll quickly see titles following the lead of the latest launch of one thing or another.

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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Sure there are trends out there, but one of the basics tenents taught in marketing is to make something appear new with an angle. About ten or more years ago there was a guy named Mike Enlow who came out with his own offline course. He was one of the few guys that would get on the phone and help you close offline JV deals. John Reese made outsourcing the "thing" for a while with his TR course. And a lot of "outsourcing" ebooks and courses ensued. Looks like it's circled back again.

        It's also about what's in your sphere of influence and what your reticular activating system focuses on. There are plenty of private forums that a lot of marketers are part of that don't get indexed and spidered like this public forum does. There are thousands of masterminds where people exchange ideas. The majority of marketers do not hang out here at the Warrior Forum. There are plenty of other ways and venues these marketers are getting their ideas from. Many just get them from their own market research and testing.

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        • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
          Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post


          the basics tenents taught in marketing is to make something appear new with an angle. About ten or more years ago there was a guy named Mike Enlow who came out with his own offline course. He was one of the few guys that would get on the phone and help you close offline JV deals.

          John Reese made outsourcing the "thing" for a while with his TR course. And a lot of "outsourcing" ebooks and courses ensued. Looks like it's circled back again.

          It's also about what's in your sphere of influence and what your reticular activating system focuses on.

          Many just get them from their own market research and testing.

          RoD
          Rod,

          You've been around a long time so I'm going to transport you in my time machine back a few years, then we'll come back to the future...

          Re: ...Paul G. Thomas - SOWPub Small Business Forums

          This was one of the earlier posts on our forum, from August 1, 2000, and it involves a discussion about Paul Thomas and "advanced psychocybernetics"...and Paul's book written in 1982 (Psychofeedback) gives a great lay definition of the RAS and how to use it.

          Now, to enter "code mode" (because most just won't get it)...

          You have just written some of the most important words that appear on the WF. Why? Because once a person becomes aware of the OP-RAS (other person's) and how it operates, they have been given the keys to the vault. The combo to the safe, the magic lantern.

          AND the most powerful secret of persuasion, far beyond the most advanced NLP techniques, is getting control of the OPRAS, and so, from a marketing perspective, I prefer to spend the time to "instantly" and effectively gain control, however briefly, of the RAS of the TARGET...and therefore, I'm not dependent upon what their ras focus is, but, what I want it to be.

          If most copywriters could understand that, they would accelerate their careers at light speed.

          The secret to this instantaneous phenomon is found in the neurotransmitters and how they are stimulated through the senses, and in a precise order too. Of course, it is much easier to gain this control in a face to face, person to person situation, however, it is also possible to do it by remote means, which I won't go into publicly. If you'd like a private discussion on this subject, I stand at the ready to have a two way on it...I'm always looking for other practiconers of the advanced arts of "persuasion" through understanding.

          gjabiz

          PS. The last 25 years for me have been a walking, breathing lab, where theories have been tested and either proven or discarded, be glad to share same with you. PM me.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Hmmm...let's see.

            Research what people want, see what's selling and come out with something
            better.

            Isn't that what we're supposed to do?

            I swear, threads like this just drive me bonkers.

            :rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Funny, I always thought most of the WSO offers were just regurgitations of other offers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Hmmm...let's see.

              Research what people want, see what's selling and come out with something
              better.

              Isn't that what we're supposed to do?

              I swear, threads like this just drive me bonkers.

              :rolleyes:
              Ha Ha I like
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I guess it's all part of market research. You find out what the market
    is buying then you make a product to satisfy that need. Never thought
    that the WSO was used in that way though, so that pattern is new to
    me.

    Although simply because a WSO came before the launch doesn't mean
    that the launch was not in the planning stages even before the WSO.

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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    You mean to tell me that successful people are creating the types of products that have a proven track record of success? Has anybody alerted CNN?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    This is nothing new. Marketers have been using hot trends in forums to come up with product ideas for years. Find a problem, sell a solution. It works the same in all niches and all industries.

    Just take a look at this commercial:

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  • Profile picture of the author tj
    They're not ripping off- they are using a trend. Next year it may will be Marketing to Aliens and in 2012 - how to survive Dec. 23rd ... if you want to keep your ideas secret then do not offer them as a WSO or ask if this or that is a good idea.

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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Any product that the Gurus are launching will fall into one of the WSO categories- SEO, CPA, PPC, Outsourcing, Offline Marketing etc. And just because this is the case, it doesn't mean they are ripping anyone off.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Some of those big players, are actually also in here. Plus I don't like to call it "ripping off". I'd rather call it re-packaging.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
    Person A sells a widget. Person B sees how well it sells and designs a much better Widget. Person C sees both selling the widgets and expands on their idea or develops a widget to complement or supplement their widgets... or even offers training on said widgets.

    Competition breeds innovation. 'Nuff said.

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  • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
    This is true but it was never a secret.

    Anyone remember "Joe Kumar's 30 Days to Internet Success", or something like that? Mike Filsaime bought the rights to it and started giving part 1 for free but, honestly, I believe, to this day, that it was one of the best resources available because it queried 60 successful marketers as to what they would do if they lost everything and had only 1 months rent, a computer an internet connection.

    And some of them said they'd go troll internet marketing forums looking for popular problems that needed solving. Then they'd create a product from that and do things like put it in their signature, mail to their list, post a conversation about it, etc...

    That's all. There's truly nothing new under the sun, just new ways of doing it more effectively and getting ideas from forums is pretty common. Question is, like with the company 3M... "Can you make it better?"
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    • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
      Speaking of getting ideas from the Warrior Forum...

      Originally Posted by BizBoost View Post

      Anyone remember "Joe Kumar's 30 Days to Internet Success", or something like that? Mike Filsaime bought the rights to it and started giving part 1 for free but, honestly, I believe, to this day, that it was one of the best resources available because it queried 60 successful marketers as to what they would do if they lost everything and had only 1 months rent, a computer an internet connection.
      The idea for that book (indeed, the exact question used in that book) was born here on the forum. Not by Joe Kumar, but by another WF member (I forget who). That person gave Joe the idea and, presumably, permission to run with it.

      Just one more example of million-dollar ideas cropping up here on the forum.

      Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
        Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

        Speaking of getting ideas from the Warrior Forum...



        The idea for that book (indeed, the exact question used in that book) was born here on the forum. Not by Joe Kumar, but by another WF member (I forget who). That person gave Joe the idea and, presumably, permission to run with it.

        Just one more example of million-dollar ideas cropping up here on the forum.

        Cheers,
        Becky
        lol, good story! I was around back then, too, you just don't recognize me in these spiffy new clothes I'm wearing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Riz
          Following hot trends is common place. The gurus are no exception.

          The difference is that these 'gurus' have an established business, customer base, outsourcers, jv partners etc.

          They are able to produce high quality products and sell at a higher price (of course not all gurus) because of their marketing power. They see beyond selling for a few dollars here at the WF.

          Also, many a time you will see replicas of big launch guru products being sold as wso's.

          HOWEVER

          As in all markets you get your rip off merchants.

          One particular case comes to mind. A so called guru, someone who speaks at large guru IM seminars ripped off an offline wso from here and sold it to coaching students as his unique method that he has been doing for years.

          I suppose you get you con men everywhere.

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  • Profile picture of the author badboy_Nick
    Originally Posted by lifeonfire View Post

    Have you noticed the big launches are some the same topics of the hottest Warriors Special Offers?

    Look at the past local marketing courses that were very popular like Maria Gudelis' course. Now there's a product on that same topic.

    Outsourcing is one of the top subjects in the forums and the WSO forum.. now we have a course.

    Now, I'm not saying the gurus are taking advantage of you but you should notice the SAME thing. What's hot? That's what the gurus are doing on this forum and they're creating a product based on the successful WSO topics and the forum's hottest topic.

    Now you can do the same thing. The leverage they have is their herd that buys anything they put up and they'll charge a lot more for their package. Keep trying and watch the forum.
    Aw cmon ... I dont think they are "ripping off" products.

    They are merely re-packaging an existing model or product and tweaking certain things. There is nothing wrong with that legally ... and practically there isn't you can do about it either.

    You CANT copyright an idea ... and who wouldnt want to use thw WF for market analysis. Common practice for bigger companies to research whats out there anyway.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Clearly there is a notion of what is happening here. Same thing as we see whats selling in niche magazines and go after same market.

    But one thing is for sure: my mouth is closed, more then ever, when it comes to stuff I discover, especially offline.

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  • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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    I don't understand the logics behind this thread...

    Apple is constantly launching innovative products and skimming the market constantly. Does that mean LG or Nokia cannot follow their business model and introduce a similar product?

    Hmmm..

    This is the way business is.

    All you have to do is take a look at the number of different electrical devices out there, 90% of them are similar and do the same thing but people always opt for the ones that have good brand and are willing to pay for quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I don't understand the logics behind this thread...

      Apple is constantly launching innovative products and skimming the market constantly. Does that mean LG or Nokia cannot follow their business model and introduce a similar product?

      Hmmm..

      This is the way business is.

      All you have to do is take a look at the number of different electrical devices out there, 90% of them are similar and do the same thing but people always opt for the ones that have good brand and are willing to pay for quality.
      Difference is...

      Over here they check WSO's (not a BIG worlwide launch) and they can do a copy to sell to the world with GURU tags all over the place.

      BIG difference Imran.
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      • Profile picture of the author Imran Naseem
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        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        Difference is...

        Over here they check WSO's (not a BIG worlwide launch) and they can do a copy to sell to the world with GURU tags all over the place.

        BIG difference Imran.
        So what is wrong with it?

        Are you saying if John Reese starts selling a product on TRAFFIC no one else can?

        Did George Brown rip off people?

        Did Maria rip off people with her OFFLINE consulting course?

        No..

        Both are successful and both are following a good business model.

        THEY are simply giving the market what they desire..

        No product is 100% unique.

        There are lots of variations of the same niche/market/concept.

        Head over to Clickbank and you will see what I mean.
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        Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

        Difference is...

        Over here they check WSO's (not a BIG worlwide launch) and they can do a copy to sell to the world with GURU tags all over the place.

        BIG difference Imran.
        Tend to agree here....

        It's clear this industry can be pretty cutthroat, that's for sure....
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    True story...

    A very popular guru bought one of my WSOs once. A few
    months later he released a product which had a lot of
    techniques... and some of them were the exact same
    techniques listed in my WSO.

    I guess he buys lots of WSOs to get lots of ideas since most
    WSOs are cheap. The he repackages a lot of info from
    them to create his "cool" product...


    Not all gurus are like this though. Some of them provide really
    good information & case studies.


    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    I've discovered a surefire solution...

    Never release any of your products. Don't advertise them, don't talk about them... heck, don't even create them. Just keep them inside your head. Then you don't ever have to worry about competitors.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      I've discovered a surefire solution...

      Never release any of your products. Don't advertise them, don't talk about them... heck, don't even create them. Just keep them inside your head. Then you don't ever have to worry about competitors.
      Bingo! haha.

      I had a very popular Warrior here sign up for our TrafficSage service as a customer and then launch the same link buiding/SEO service a few months later. The same goes for nearly every successful product I've launched in every niche. It happens to everyone in business.

      Unless you have a patent, you can expect your product ideas to be copied. Personally, I try to put a different spin on a ideas and not copy them outright.

      At the end of the day, it's all about marketing and distribution. If your idea generates $2,000 as a WSO and someone else uses the idea and makes two million dollars with it, can you really knock them for doing it? Was it really your idea that made them rich or was it their marketing and experience?
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I think the majority of posters have missed the use of the term "ripping off"
    in the OP title. It's meant for dramatic effect and shouldn't be taken
    literally as so many are doing.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      I think the majority of posters have missed the use of the term "ripping off"
      in the OP title. It's meant for dramatic effect and shouldn't be taken
      literally as so many are doing.

      -Ray Edwards
      Yeah Ray, I know.

      Which is why I replied to the obvious with the obvious.

      In fact, trying to come out with a totally revolutionary idea is probably
      one of the riskiest things you can do unless you are pretty damn sure that
      enough people are going to want it.

      How do I know?

      Because I came out with a very revolutionary product (non IM niche)
      that in 2 years has sold like 10 copies.

      I shot for the moon and didn't even reach the other end of New Jersey.

      Make what you KNOW people want.

      It's a lot easier than trying to make the next Pet Rock.
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      • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


        "...I came out with a very revolutionary product (non IM niche)
        that in 2 years has sold like 10 copies.

        I shot for the moon and didn't even reach the other end of New Jersey.


        Steve, the problem in coming out with revolutionary ideas is that you are then asking people to do their own thinking on things.

        You know this Steven, we live in a society of coddled herdlings where proxy thinkers (politicians, churches, schools) do the cognitive stuff so the masses don't have to do any thinking of their own. (It hurts if one isn't used to it!)

        Yeah, revolutionary product development sounds right on, but you also need some revolutionary buyers out there to pick it up. (Again, requires some cognitive traction on the part of the buying public--thus your 10 sales.)

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post


          Steve, the problem in coming out with revolutionary ideas is that you are then asking people to do their own thinking on things.

          You know this Steven, we live in a society of coddled herdlings where proxy thinkers (politicians, churches, schools) do the cognitive stuff so the masses don't have to do any thinking of their own. (It hurts if one isn't used to it!)

          Yeah, revolutionary product development sounds right on, but you also need some revolutionary buyers out there to pick it up. (Again, requires some cognitive traction on the part of the buying public--thus your 10 sales.)

          --Mike

          Which is why I've stopped doing stuff like that. It's just not worth the
          effort.

          I look to see what people want first and then give it to them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

          You know this Steven, we live in a society of coddled herdlings where proxy thinkers (politicians, churches, schools) do the cognitive stuff so the masses don't have to do any thinking of their own. (It hurts if one isn't used to it!)
          Which, one would presume, is why George Bernard Shaw famously said, "Few people think more than two or three times a year; I have made an international reputation for myself by thinking once or twice a week."

          Great post, Mike.
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          • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Which, one would presume, is why George Bernard Shaw famously said, "Few people think more than two or three times a year; I have made an international reputation for myself by thinking once or twice a week."
            Great post, Mike.

            That sounds like a little humor Dennis... or is it? Ya know, I'm not really so sure that it isn't true.

            Here's a mind bender. This is the introduction from The Origin of Consciousness In the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes.

            Jaynes ponders the nature of our consciousness...

            O, what a world of unseen vision and heard silences, this insubstantial country of the mind! What ineffable essences, these touchless rememberings and unshowable reveries! And the privacy of it all! A secret theater of speechless monologue and prevenient counsel, an invisible mansion of all moods, musings, and mysteries, an infinite resort of disappointments and discoveries.... An introcosm that is more myself than anything I can find in a mirror. This consciousness that is myself of selves, that is everything, and yet nothing at all--what is it? And where did it come from? And why?

            Amazon.com: The Origin of Consciousness in the...Amazon.com: The Origin of Consciousness in the...

            That one may keep you up at night wondering about stuff!!!

            Maybe when we figure out what thinking is we will be better at it :confused:.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

              O, what a world of unseen vision and heard silences, this insubstantial country of the mind!
              The world has become rather a poorer place now that this is no longer the way most people think, write, and speak.

              And even poorer when it's possible to graduate a four-year college without the language comprehension skills necessary to read it.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Because I came out with a very revolutionary product (non IM niche) that in 2 years has sold like 10 copies.
        Which sort of begs the question... would you rather have a lot of stupid customers, or just a few smart ones?

        I don't think there's a RIGHT answer, really, but I'm pretty sure most people have a preference.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Sure, there are a lot of big name people prowling around here all the time. Some of them are registered and some are not. If anyone thinks that the top 20 gurus from the Clickbank EBooks & Emarketing category don't keep a pulse on what goes on here--they are naive!

    And I'm sure from time to time things get knocked off. But I think it's a credit to Allen's genius that this forum represents a microcosm of the "real IM world" and that many of the gurus prowl around here because they know that there is a lot of gold laying around all over the place.

    Sure they could spend months doing niche research, running test PPC ads, and such... or, they can come to the greatest IM forum on earth and get that info for free in 30 minutes.

    And--there's nothing stopping anyone here hawking products (myself included) from going out into the big world and doing a million dollar product launch of their own. There are any number of products I see people with running WSOs that are far superior to a lot of the junk that is sold through the big launches. I say that as a credit to the incredible creativity of many of the marketing geniuses selling stuff here.

    Finally, to defend any of the gurus or super-affiliates who troll these halls looking for product ideas--how many of you (us) go through the top clickbank products looking to see great copywriting skills, to copy squeeze pages, or to "knock off" (at least tangentally) products found there? The WSO section is full of 'em!

    Now, I'm not being critical of either side in this thing. And I certainly don't mean to downplay the significance or magnitude of Allen's marketing masterpiece at all, but you don't see Rob Benwell, Andrew Fox, Frank Kern, or Mike Filsaime running $20 WSOs here. There is a huge world out there. If you've got something good you promote here I respect that--but you (we) all have the same opportunity to orchestrate product launches that we all read about. It works both ways!

    I mentioned Rob Benwell above. What's he sold?--something like 30,000 copies of his Blogging To The Bank books? I'm not knocking them at all--I've bought each one myself and very happy with all of them. But his first one was only something like 40 pages. It was great, but honestly, there are dozens of WSOs out there by some very, very sharp people that are every bit as good--if not much better than Rob's books. Rob isn't a god, but he's got the balls to put his best stuff out there, get some people behind them, and ride the wave to the top.

    Before I go--run the numbers folks. Let's say Rob sold 40,000 copies of his BBTB books. At a 5% conversion rate, that means 800,000 visitors have been to his sales page. If 30% of those visitors opt in to his list--that gives him 240,000 names on that list alone. I'm on a couple of his lists and I can guarantee you that he hits THE BUTTON every day of the year--I get at least one email from him promoting an affiliate product every single day. Same with a dozen or so other CB gurus.

    There are many, many people here with products as good if not better than the top CB products. If you just troll the Forum yourself you can learn how to build a list, do some research, develop a product, get JV partners, do a launch--and the best part is you can learn to do most of that stuff FOR FREE right here and in the WAR ROOM!

    Pep talk is over--let's get out there and whoop some ass guy!

    --Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post


      I mentioned Rob Benwell above. What's he sold?--something like 30,000 copies of his Blogging To The Bank books? I'm not knocking them at all--I've bought each one myself and very happy with all of them. But his first one was only something like 40 pages. It was great, but honestly, there are dozens of WSOs out there by some very, very sharp people that are every bit as good--if not much better than Rob's books. Rob isn't a god, but he's got the balls to put his best stuff out there, get some people behind them, and ride the wave to the top.

      --Mike
      And that there is the difference between "guru" and non-guru status.

      It's not quality products or intelligence or smarts in any fashion, but
      having the guts to say, this is my product and this is how much
      it cost.

      I've seen people of ordinary talents (I know them because I created
      products for them) make millions because of this one fact.

      -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    I used to write ebooks on another subject and promote them on another forum and a few other places. The following pattern ALWAYS played out.

    1. My ebook is released and start selling 2-5 a week
    2. People see it and start asking about it on forums. Now selling 2-5 day
    3. Buyers give it a good review. Will sell 25 a day.
    4. One of the Guru's (or one of his followers) will suddenly pop up and say "This product is fiendishly clever! Mr Big Guru has been playing around with a similar idea for a while now. So far he has only released it to friends but he going public with it soon!!!"
    5. Sales drop to 2-5 day
    6. Mr Big Guru's ebook is released. It is a rip off of the idea with usually minor and inferior changes.
    7. Sales drop to 2-5 a week.
    8. In the future whenever someone asks about my ebook on the forum, someone will pop up and say "it's basically the same idea as Mr. Big Guru's". Guess who gets the sales?

    The only answer to expect it and work on becoming the Mr. Big Guru yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Some ideas just suck too.

    The problem is to pick the ones that have the most potential. How do we determine that? Some general topics, like offline marketing, attract a lot of posts. Another one is public domain (though I've never figured out how people make money using the stuff).

    The big guys are looking for ideas that will produce a lot of buyers. I don't think they give a damn whether the product is worth putting together for its own value.

    One recent one that comes to mind was the "Advertise on Facebook" launch. It was dissed on this forum but I bet it made some money, maybe not enough though.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    When people ask me about finding niches..

    One of the major points I tell them to look for in a niche is a BUSY forum. If you find a busy forum in a niche, there is a really good chance you have hit gold. A busy forum isn't necessary for a profitable niche, but a niche with a busy forum, usually is very profitable.

    It's the perfect place to really connect with a niche, find out exactly what they want and learn to gel with them..

    This has been taught for many years, nothing new here.

    Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author majidmaskat
    they are clever, however sometimes we can also use their products to outsource ??
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  • Profile picture of the author eQuus
    The essential, core thought of the OP is this: the gurus have run out of ideas. Frank Kern has closed shop. Reese is milking it for the last time with OUTsourcing, and I wouldn't be surprised if Eben Pagan dusts off his famous nom de plume: David DeAngelo.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by eQuus View Post

      The essential, core thought of the OP is this: the gurus have run out of ideas.
      The next big idea is coming from down here in the trenches, not up there in the ivory tower... because that's where the big ideas ALWAYS come from.

      The gurus don't run out of ideas because they're dumb, or because they don't try to think of them. They run out because they stop listening to the little guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author veroxii
    Originally Posted by lifeonfire View Post

    Now you can do the same thing. The leverage they have is their herd that buys anything they put up and they'll charge a lot more for their package. Keep trying and watch the forum.
    Is there a course for that yet? :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    I don't think it's only from the warrior forum but from everything internet marketing. For example, let's say you bought a product and noticed a loophole or something that can be added to make the product better for other customers who purchase. Boom...another product launch emerges or WSO. For example, there are those who create software for angela's backlinks. That idea came about because of the backlinks so in a way we all feed off each other. Sounds a little vampiric but you get the idea
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