Can spam ever be stopped?

18 years ago

Just odering a nighty from a particular website has put us on a list like that,LOL! We have also tried getting it to stop,unsuccessfully.

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Kay King 18 years ago

You don't say what email service you are using. I had good results when a main email (outlook) was being spammed widely as I found my ISP had a spam filter I could activate that stopped spam from coming through to me.

It's been very efficient, took a few minutes to set up on the ISP's site, stops about 90% or more of the serious spam.

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Suthan M

18 years ago

Have you taken out the original live link already?

Rather than put bob@xyz.com (sorry bob for using your name in vain ) , put it as bob (at) xyz (dot) com next time..

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Nick Brighton

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

You don't say what email service you are using. I had good results when a main email (outlook) was being spammed widely as I found my ISP had a spam filter I could activate that stopped spam from coming through to me.

It's been very efficient, took a few minutes to set up on the ISP's site, stops about 90% or more of the serious spam.

kay

Good point, I use BT. My only concern is that their spam filter might be oversensitive? I guess that's just speculation, but I cannot afford to miss emails from my associates and business partners. That would be the kiss of death.

Originally Posted by asianlunatic

Have you taken out the original live link already?

Rather than put bob@xyz.com (sorry bob for using your name in vain ) , put it as bob (at) xyz (dot) com next time..

Yeah, but some only recently after I figured out where they were! So perhaps they might slow down now? Does it work like that or is it a case of "once they've got you, they've got you" kinda thing????

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valerieSONORA

18 years ago

I think the only way to stop spam is to get the firing squad. Then no one would spam if they knew they'd face the firing squad. But since that won't happen, unfortunately, I guess spam can't be stopped. Those spammers never stop spamming. It's like their only life purpose is to spam.

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johntanyishin 18 years ago

Probably, you can send them back an email telling them, you have a great sexual life and request them to stop sending you all these junk mails, kidding.

Get another email address perhaps?

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- Paul Myers 18 years ago
  
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  Use whatever spamblocking your ISP offers, but don't rely just on that. Create an email address (hopefully at a domain you own) with a very tough to guess username part. Then give THAT to anyone whose business mail is really important to you.
  
  Be picky about who you give it to, though. Anyone who has ever forwarded the usual "send this to your friends" stuff should be left off the list. People with little computer experience are likely to get their machines infected by bots, and your address will end up being leaked to spammers that way.
  
  A slightly more complicated approach is to give each person an address to send mail to that uses THEIR name as the username part. Use the bulk forward editing tools in your control panel (assuming they exist) to deliver all those addresses to one mailbox. Then, if something leaks, you can turn off the specific address and let the person know their system is compromised.
  
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Angela V. Edwards

18 years ago

Originally Posted by annoyedgirl

I think the only way to stop spam is to get the firing squad. Then no one would spam if they knew they'd face the firing squad. But since that won't happen, unfortunately, I guess spam can't be stopped. Those spammers never stop spamming. It's like their only life purpose is to spam.

LOL, I do something close to this. I simply send them the following message (sent one of these off just this morning):

Read This

The "heroine" in this article is me. That's why you DON'T want to be sending me these types of emails.

P.S. The criminal in the story is now being housed at FDC Sea Tac. Wanna go?

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clogmoney

18 years ago

I guess we could just kill them all.. I feel that might be just a little too harsh tho!

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SeanIM

18 years ago

spamarrest for the win

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Clark 18 years ago

Originally Posted by SeanIM

spamarrest for the win

Challenge-Response authentication is the way to go.

Be sure to whitelist your new & existing clients' email addresses so they don't get caught with a verification reply email when they send you mail.
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Nick Brighton 18 years ago

Originally Posted by SeanIM

spamarrest for the win

Interesting...
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Chris Lockwood

18 years ago

Spam filters are useless unless you set them up yourself, since they reject a lot of valid email.

Spamarrest is a joke, might as well stop using email rather than expect people to jump through hoops to contact you.

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Thomas 18 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

Spamarrest is a joke, might as well stop using email rather than expect people to jump through hoops to contact you.

I sometimes get "challenged" when somebody buys one of my products and then their system rejects my receipt/download link.

I used to jump through their hoops.

I don't anymore...
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cullenpowell

18 years ago

I've got most of my email addresses out there forwarding to a few Gmail accounts. Gmail has excellent spam filters, some of the best I've seen.

In Gmail you can go under settings and add each of your email accounts so that whenever you receive an email to a certain account, when you hit reply it will default to that from: address.

Oh and as long as folks are making money from spam, it's never going away

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Anna Thomas

18 years ago

I believe spam can be stopped when the internet is shut down - lol.

Seems like an ongoing war otherwise.

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Colin Evans

18 years ago

I suppose Angela's method could work for the odd misguided marketer who hasn't figured out what spam is, but in most cases spam email never originates from the email address owner, their email address has been used by spammers as the "from" address.

Replying harshly to a spam email can land you in an uncomfortable situation. Nobody likes being falsely accused of being a spammer when their email address was in fact "stolen" by a real spammer.

Besides, no big time spammer is ever going to check their email? If they don't steal email addresses, they use hundreds, if not thousands of throw away email addresses for each mailing, and they know full well that most of them will be shut down for spamming before the day is out.

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Angela V. Edwards

18 years ago

While that may be true in some cases, in A LOT of the cases, the spammer is waiting for a return email. That email says that the person has "bought" their story and is willing to jump through the hoops to get their lottery winnings, or move the millions of dollars into the United States or whatever. Often, the ONLY method these spammers have of communicating with you is email. And they WANT you to reply to them.

Not replying is probably the best thing to do, but with my story, sometimes I just can't resist.

Originally Posted by Colin Evans

I suppose Angela's method could work for the odd misguided marketer who hasn't figured out what spam is, but in most cases spam email never originates from the email address owner, their email address has been used by spammers as the "from" address.

Replying harshly to a spam email can land you in an uncomfortable situation. Nobody likes being falsely accused of being a spammer when their email address was in fact "stolen" by a real spammer.

Besides, no big time spammer is ever going to check their email? If they don't steal email addresses, they use hundreds, if not thousands of throw away email addresses for each mailing, and they know full well that most of them will be shut down for spamming before the day is out.

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Suthan M

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Colin Evans

I suppose Angela's method could work for the odd misguided marketer who hasn't figured out what spam is, but in most cases spam email never originates from the email address owner, their email address has been used by spammers as the "from" address.

Replying harshly to a spam email can land you in an uncomfortable situation. Nobody likes being falsely accused of being a spammer when their email address was in fact "stolen" by a real spammer.

Besides, no big time spammer is ever going to check their email? If they don't steal email addresses, they use hundreds, if not thousands of throw away email addresses for each mailing, and they know full well that most of them will be shut down for spamming before the day is out.

True, my primary gmail was used this way, and it got so bad that once gmail temporarily blocked my access. It is a gmail address with a very popular name

And i didnt even send any of those darn viagra pills advert..

Thank god i got it back.. and lets hope it dont re-occur.

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bobsstuff

18 years ago

I used "bob" at my website.com and used it everywhere. It became useless. I had to slowly get a new address for all of those who had the bob address and then delete the address. No other way around that.

My email addresses almost all have a number after them, i.e. webmaster1813@mywedsite..com

I solved the SPAM problem, creatd a WSO on it and the WSO bombed both times I listed it -- months apart. I do not deal with spam except on a couple very old accounts that old friend might still have. One day I will delete those email address also.

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Edson Buchanan

18 years ago

What do you think?

How ever invents how to stop spam will be an instant online millionaire?

I hate spam and constantly am fighting it off.

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Floyd Fisher

18 years ago

I've already told people how to do it.

Just distill the message body and attachments of reported spam messages down to a 'dual checksum' and store it.

Then you scan the incomming email and check that dual checksum against the dual checksums on record for being spam.

If they match, you trashcan it.

The person who develops this idea will be the instant trillionaire and savior of the planet. All I want is acknowledgement for giving you this idea.

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Chris Lockwood

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

Just distill the message body and attachments of reported spam messages down to a 'dual checksum' and store it.

Then you scan the incomming email and check that dual checksum against the dual checksums on record for being spam.

How is this much different from the current non-effective methods like blacklists or filters?

In your system, who decides a message is spam so it can be put in your database? I hope it's not the recipient, since this would lead to abuses like people who hit the spam button on messages they had subscribed to.

And since new spam messages come out all the time, there will be lots of them that aren't in your database, so I really don't see how this would help much.

Your idea seems to assume that many spam messages are identical, which is far from true.

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Floyd Fisher

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood

How is this much different from the current non-effective methods like blacklists or filters?

In your system, who decides a message is spam so it can be put in your database? I hope it's not the recipient, since this would lead to abuses like people who hit the spam button on messages they had subscribed to.

And since new spam messages come out all the time, there will be lots of them that aren't in your database, so I really don't see how this would help much.

Your idea seems to assume that many spam messages are identical, which is far from true.

1. Dual checksum is vastly different. It counts the one and zeros in the actual message and attachments and stores the number of each (henc the dual checksum). This creates a unique 'dna' of the actual spam message.

The odds of any two email messages having the same dual checksum is highly remote. Hence, only spam gets filtered, everything else goes through.

Do you now understand how this is different from ordinary content and blocklist filtering? It's not about detecting certain words words or email servers, it's about finding the actual message, and ash canning that instead.

2. Spamhaus already tracks spam, have them send the messages to you. This should clear up any possibilities of any single idiot pressing the spam button and triggering the process.

3. Doing this will force spammers to vastly change the way they do business, which should make it too expensive to do anymore. What I'm aiming for is to literally bankrupt them by changing the rules of the game.

Now, who is ready to become the trillionaire by getting this system off the ground?

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Paul Myers 18 years ago

Floyd,

Does the word "hashbuster" ring any bells?

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Andres

18 years ago

Nick the way see it is you can't stop spam.

There is too much money being made. One of top 10 spammers was making $400k a month spamming millions of emails. Eventhough he was arrested and threatened w/ 10 years in jail - he was able to beat the charges and now is a free man.

Guess what? He's back in business making sick money.

LOL...

There is too much money being made.

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WL_Marketing

18 years ago

Can maybe just block specific keywords, but other than that... can't really stop them from sending you mail...

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Stanley Tang

18 years ago

Originally Posted by Nick Brighton

Some time ago, in some lack of vision, my main email address was put out there on a webpage and low and behold I've made lots of new friends since, all who are concerned about my penis size and my health. Bless them for caring.

Is there any way that I can finally block these little darlings out for good? I really don't want to drop that email account for numerous reasons, mostly the dreaded admin that is involved.

Any help would be much appreciated.

P.S

I've tried blocking the sender domains and I mark all emails as junk. So this requires something more diligent.

Regards,

Forward all your emails to gmail. Or use the pop3 or imap in the settings if you are more advanced. Gmail has a great spam filters and filters out 99% of them

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carolinahound 18 years ago

I just have several email accounts. 2 for personal, 2 for business, and a couple others I give to those I'm not sure about. One thing for certain, when you give your email to a site, like signing up for a horoscope or similar thing, it's likely you've unknowingly agreed to receive emails from them and "Affiliated" sites. And as mentioned above, anytime someone forwards those chain letter, your address and everybody else they know, and the person before them knew.. etc etc.. eventually winds up in the hand of a mailing list.
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