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Can We Please Have Some Real Stats For A Change?

by Steven Wagenheim
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All over this forum we see...

"97% of marketers fail"

"CTR of 50% possible"

And on and on.

Can we PLEASE see some real stats for ONCE?

I'll start.

This year, so far, I've made 875 sales.

I've had 27,305 unique visitors to my web sites.

That comes out to a 3.2% conversion rate.

Considering most of my sales come from my personal list, I'd say that's
actually very low. It should be higher with people who you've supposedly
built some trust with.

Anyway, there you go...some real stats.

Can we please have some more of this instead of all this pie in the sky
crap that we see clogging up this forum?

Thank you.
#change #real #stats
  • Profile picture of the author Steve Ranger
    The only problem here is people can lie about statistics.

    98% of all statistics are made up
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      I'll share a stat that I feel is important...

      So far this year, I have worked far less than 50% of the time that I spent working over the same period last year, and have increased revenue by more than 60%.

      That is an important stat for me because in the beginning I was always an advocate of doing things yourself, making the argument that it was "dumb" to pay someone else to do what I could do.

      Probably one of the most important things that I've learned from the forum here, and in general is LEVERAGE.

      This past month, the lesson has proven to be incredibly important, as I've been unable to work for the most part due to:

      1. Abscessed teeth
      2. Pain medication
      3. A bout of walking pnumonia
      4. A son with a blood infection

      A year ago, I would have been ROYALLY SCREWED, but for the most part, most of my bases were covered this time around between having a great partner, and outsourcing many tasks, things still flowed fairly smoothly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jack Duncan
        @ Steve Ranger
        Ah shucks...you beat me to the punch line.

        One of my favorite questions:

        Did you know that 46.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

        All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
          Originally Posted by Jack Duncan View Post

          Did you know that 46.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot?
          Actually, 76% of statistics are made up on the spot, but only 64% of the time. 15% of the time, 93% of statistics are made up on the spot; 12% of the time, 49% of statistics are made up on the spot; 8% of the time, 58% of statistics are made up; .75% of the time, 99% of statistics are made up on the spot; and, .25% of the time, 0% of statistics are made up on the spot.

          But those statistics are only true 52% of the time.

          On a related note, 98% of statistics read off of a teleprompter are 90% fabricated.

          Probably.
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          • Profile picture of the author jan roos
            I read somewhere that the U.K just hired a stats detective to go over all the government related stats that the different departments release every year and the findings was shocking. Very inaccurate for the most part.

            Here are my stats for one of my Amazon sites. about 65% of people coming to my site clicks through to Amazon. Then around 7% of those people makes a purchase which gives me a conversion rate of around 3-4% excluding all the other little products people buy once they get to Amazon.

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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        making the argument that it was "dumb" to pay someone else to do what I could do.
        I remember thinking that. Don Lapre broke me of the thought process.

        He said it was dumb to do anything yourself when someone else would do it for $5 an hour. And the logic was impeccable.

        Every job is full of things you can do, and things you can't.

        The things you can't do have to be done by someone else.

        But the things you CAN do are divided into two groups: things someone else can do, and things only you can do.

        If you have anything only you can do on your task list, you should absolutely not be doing anything someone else can do.

        And then he added that even when you have nothing like that on your task list, it's just plain dumb to do something yourself when someone else will do it for $5 an hour.

        I tried to argue that point for a while, but an economist friend of mine pointed out that if someone else will do it for $5 an hour, that someone else would honestly rather have the $5 than the hour. So if you'd rather have the hour than the $5, you're both better off if he does the work.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary King
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          I remember thinking that. Don Lapre broke me of the thought process.

          Wow, Don Lapre...

          (semi-quote)

          "I made a bahzillion dollars placing tiny classified ads from my crappy one bedroom apartment..."
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          • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
            Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

            Wow, Don Lapre...

            (semi-quote)

            "I made a bahzillion dollars placing tiny classified ads from my crappy one bedroom apartment..."
            Blast from the past...

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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Gary King View Post

            "I made a bahzillion dollars placing tiny classified ads from my crappy one bedroom apartment..."
            I only made $10k with his system, myself - but you can probably guess which finger I show people who call him a scammer. In the early 1990s, I used those same "tiny classified ads" to sell several hundred short reports (on actual printed paper) about... um, how to write and sell short reports. Sound familiar?
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            • Profile picture of the author Gary King
              Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

              Blast from the past...
              Ran across that video too! Big flashback. I remember the ad even.


              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              I only made $10k with his system, myself - but you can probably guess which finger I show people who call him a scammer. In the early 1990s, I used those same "tiny classified ads" to sell several hundred short reports (on actual printed paper) about... um, how to write and sell short reports. Sound familiar?
              Sorry you only made 10Gs. Everyone else that ordered made millions.

              Yep, sounds familiar on the short reports... hmmm... now, if we could just wrap this into a 900 number service. Oh yeah, he did that too.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Raybould
    Why does anyone care about
    other people's stats?

    The only figures that matter
    are your own.

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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    I have run campaigns before where 0.4% conversion meant big profit. It is all relative.

    A well established member here posted some figures in a video a while back, and part of his equation showed that 50% of people who left your sales page would complete an onexit popup. I said this sounded unrealistic and got torn to shreds by a slew of followers.

    So many made up figures are targetted at newbies to make it sound easier than it really is.

    The statistic that really gets my goat is when people say that if you are #1 for a keyword you will get 20-40% of googles predicted search volume for that specific keyword. Anyone who has done seo for a while knows this is utter BS. I wish the overnight SEO guru's here would stop parroting stuff without testing it first.
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    • Profile picture of the author tj0575
      Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM View Post

      I have run campaigns before where 0.4% conversion meant big profit. It is all relative.

      A well established member here posted some figures in a video a while back, and part of his equation showed that 50% of people who left your sales page would complete an onexit popup. I said this sounded unrealistic and got torn to shreds by a slew of followers.

      So many made up figures are targetted at newbies to make it sound easier than it really is.

      The statistic that really gets my goat is when people say that if you are #1 for a keyword you will get 20-40% of googles predicted search volume for that specific keyword. Anyone who has done seo for a while knows this is utter BS. I wish the overnight SEO guru's here would stop parroting stuff without testing it first.
      Amen! Thank You!
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    All over this forum we see...

    "97% of marketers fail"

    "CTR of 50% possible"

    And on and on.

    Can we PLEASE see some real stats for ONCE?

    I'll start.

    This year, so far, I've made 875 sales.

    I've had 27,305 unique visitors to my web sites.

    That comes out to a 3.2% conversion rate.

    Considering most of my sales come from my personal list, I'd say that's
    actually very low. It should be higher with people who you've supposedly
    built some trust with.

    Anyway, there you go...some real stats.

    Can we please have some more of this instead of all this pie in the sky
    crap that we see clogging up this forum?

    Thank you.
    Steve:

    Can you tell us what your email open rates are? Sounds like you have a ton of people who simply aren't interested in you anymore, and it might be time to purge out those lost emails.

    I should go back and look at the emails you've been sending, and see if I see any problems there. But right now, I'm out of town, and don't have much in the way of access to my home stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher View Post

      Steve:

      Can you tell us what your email open rates are? Sounds like you have a ton of people who simply aren't interested in you anymore, and it might be time to purge out those lost emails.

      I should go back and look at the emails you've been sending, and see if I see any problems there. But right now, I'm out of town, and don't have much in the way of access to my home stuff.
      It appears that out of my list of 5,000 plus, I have about 300 to 400 active
      subscribers. And I'm fine with that. It's more than enough to sustain my
      current lifestyle and I'm still adding to my list each day so I don't worry
      about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Right on Steven. Some of these marketers are to blame for giving newbies unrealistic dreams with there vague statements and jacked up stats.

    I'll give some stats too:

    - I average 10-15% CTR from contextual ads
    - My EZA articles average 12% CTR (however some individual articles are really high like 30-40%)
    - My Amazon conversion rate was 5% when I was using it.
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Ok, I'll bite. Maybe to also show the reality of things.

    I started a campaign first week of March and ended it just yesterday.

    In that span of time I was able to build up 3,137 online properties
    which are a combination of CPA offers, product listings, ads and articles.
    To date I was able to drive over 100,000 views. The CTR's is way much lower.

    These are just single page promotions and not really full blown sites but I
    still call them online properties because that's what they are. Being a programmer
    I was able to create automation tools that allowed me to do most of the
    manual task at lightning speed.

    As of today, I've got 33 sales out of these 3,137 properties. There are days
    where I get no sales, but considering that these properties are just about two
    months old, then I can say that it's still too early to use these stats as basis for
    evaluating the profitability of my campaign. Maybe after 6 months I'll see the full results of my campaign.

    Now, here's the point. If 3,137 properties only made me this much sale and about
    a couple of hundred dollars, then I pity those who think that they can make thousands with just a few hours effort specially if they don't have any experience yet.

    As of the moment I can enjoy a few days break, I can say that I can make money
    while I sleep because sales do indeed come in while I sleep, I can say that I can work
    in my underwear but that is only because for two months I burned my butt off working long hours.

    I hope I didn't stray too much from the topic.

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    • Profile picture of the author DeadGuy
      Stats are always a tough one and it is difficult (if not impossible) for anyone to determine if they are real or not. Do bad stats really clog up the forum? Maybe... maybe not. For the most part, most members here are savvy enough to have their B.S. meter kick in when they read a real flier.

      When it comes down to it, all we can really do is compare our own historical stats with those presented by others. I'm still hard pressed to say that I totally disbelieve the "suspect" stats, even when my own differ greatly. My case in point would be this. Since some of my properties are in super competitive niches, and I know there are monster affiliate marketers involved there as well, I wouldn't discount their stats just because mine might be awful. Who knows for sure?

      I personally don't take much stock in the stats that others tout and certainly don't use this type of information to make fundamental business decisions.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Hey Steve, thanks for pointing a light to a very shady practice of regurgitating or plain ol' making up stats.

        I like how Wikipedia (a major culprit) put it:

        Weasel words is an informal term for words and phrases that, while communicating a vague or ambiguous claim, create an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said. Weasel words manage to vaguely imply meaning far beyond the claim actually made.
        Weasel word - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        Wikipedia:Words to watch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        I've actually asked folks putting out statistics where they got them from and very few reply. And those that do reply just tell me they read it somewhere and don't remember where.

        I was guilty of permeating this in the past but I've now stopped. I would see a "stat" and I would repeat it.

        I think some see it as part of advertising but most reputable marketers quote real stats they have seen the data or read the study.

        I've been trying to find, for the longest time, the study that came up that a subscriber to your list is worth $1. So if you have a list of 10,000 it's supposedly worth $10,000. Everyone I have asked just says that's what they have heard.

        I'd love the real stats on that study if anyone knows. I have not taken the time to figure out what each subscriber on my list is worth. Sounds like a lot of math. So here is my real stat: "I don't know".
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      • Profile picture of the author LadyL08
        Many people use this forum to presell a WSO or send you to a sales page. Where there is information like:

        Total Searches: 606,300
        Estimated Clicks: 60,630
        CNV Rate: 2.5%
        Estimated Sales Monthly: 150
        Dollars Per Sale: $33.42
        Total Dollars Monthly: $5,013.00

        It took me 6 to 8 months to realize that sometimes these numbers just can't be right. Good think I didn't have the money to spend on "the latest and greatest".

        I love to see other people's stats - it gives me motivation. But I get frustrated when I know they are unrealistic.
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

          Why couldn't that be right?
          Total Searches: 606,300

          And that's... exact? Two zeroes on the end?

          Estimated Clicks: 60,630

          CTR of exactly 10%, too?

          CNV Rate: 2.5%
          Estimated Sales Monthly: 150

          Um... 2.5% of 60,630 is somewhat over 1,500. The math is wrong. Even if the 2.5% is a typo and it should be 0.25% the result should be 151 or 152.

          Dollars Per Sale: $33.42
          Total Dollars Monthly: $5,013.00

          That's not a total. It's an estimated total. It's also off by either $66.84 or $33.42, depending.

          This is not a calculated stat display on a control panel. It's someone's hand-written bad math, and I'm betting they started from EXACTLY the number of sales needed to reach $5k monthly.
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    • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
      Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

      I pity those who think that they can make thousands with just a few hours effort specially if they don't have any experience yet.
      I would perhaps re-think your approach, seems like a lot of effort for a low return.

      I will share figures for one of my sites:

      10 articles outsourced for keywords I researched myself - $50
      Domain - $5
      My time to upload to wordpress and do SEO - priceless

      Monthly passive revenue from site - $100 (and climbing each month, i think I can easily double this amount without much effort)

      Getting on average a 10% click through to ebay autions using the auction widget. Site only gets around 50ish humans per day but they tend to read lots of pages and actually buy the products on ebay that sell for $500+.

      I originally had this site as an affiliate site, but after sending 1000 hops with only $7 comission I switched it to EPN and instantly started making a small amount of money each month. Now when I am not busy with my main project I am solely pursuing EPN/Adsense sites. I have just finished a big 50 page site for adsense, looking forward to seeing how it compares.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    It's true - no one can actually go out and verify whether or not 97% of marketers fail. Not all Internet Marketers hang out at the WF for one thing - or any forum for that matter - so there could be many quiet millionaires out there who keep under the radar. And of course, for each of those people out there, many struggling marketers also don't necessarily interact on forums.

    Comes a point when you have to stop comparing yourself to other people, or using such a stat to make yourself feel better as to why you haven't made any money. Internet Marketing is the hardest in the beginning, but it's not rocket science - just mind-numbing and tedious at times (who REALLY wants to write articles all day?) until you can outsource those tasks. Once you're at the outsourcing stage...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kev Stevenson
    I read somewhere (don't remember where...) that 63.4% of pie is in the sky...

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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      Ah.. stats

      To make any sense of the numbers we first have to know what % of the "marketers" really are true marketers.

      I agree numbers are.. entertaining :p, sometimes. What is most often missing, is a indication of PROFIT. Yes ok, 6000000 visitors, with x conversion rate giving $$ sales - but what is the cost per sale - cost as in everything?.. including personal time .

      That is a number we will very seldom see because it would often show that successful projects demand Work which makes the methods somewhat harder to sell. :rolleyes:

      Anyway, 20% of my sites produce 80% of the total revenue. Obviously, I would only mention these 20% if doing a e-book :p
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

        Ah.. stats

        To make any sense of the numbers we first have to know what % of the "marketers" really are true marketers.

        I agree numbers are.. entertaining :p, sometimes. What is most often missing, is a indication of PROFIT. Yes ok, 6000000 visitors, with x conversion rate giving $$ sales - but what is the cost per sale - cost as in everything?.. including personal time .

        That is a number we will very seldom see because it would often show that successful projects demand Work which makes the methods somewhat harder to sell. :rolleyes:
        What makes someone a "true" marketer? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
          Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

          What makes someone a "true" marketer? :confused:
          This was in ref to OP and pointing out how the often used "97% of marketers fail" hook (where the higher the % the more compelling) is used as a selling argument.

          With real marketer I meant someone who actively works with marketing and not only blasts by on a guest appearance or as a rewrite artist. Take these out and the % of marketers that actually do the work and succeed may be quite good. At least I hope so.

          All of this is of course inconsequential since the definition of "fail" is not stated

          Which does not matter since I firmly believe: failure is not defeat.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Kev Stevenson View Post

      I read somewhere (don't remember where...) that 63.4% of pie is in the sky...
      I heard it was 31.4%
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  • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
    Here's a personal statistic that I've always been curious about and wondered if anyone else was the same way.


    About 80% of what makes it onto my To-Do list never gets accomplished.


    This happens because either I decide it isn't important, or my direction changes slightly.

    Anyone else have that problem (or is it even a problem)?
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    I am running facebook ads right now.

    Its for a physical product giveaway. (ie. click here to register for my physical giveaway)

    I pay .15 per thousands impressions

    It typically works out to about a dollar a click

    Of those I get about 10% signup for my freebie.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    You're not avin' my stats... they're mine and I'm keepin em!!

    Why the focus on other people's "stats" all the time?. Nobody else's information is ever going to affect how I do my business.

    Even if someone gave me a gem of a stat that would triple my business with half the effort... I'd still have to test it for myself before I actually believed it.

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  • Profile picture of the author camforbes
    Hey Steve,

    Great post.

    Here's my philosophy on stats...

    For most of my sites, I track daily (sometimes every other day), measure weekly and analyze monthly.

    That way I don't make any rash decisions about what's working and what isn't.

    For PPC I analyze much more quickly than that so I don't lose my @ss.

    Each email campaign I send out I briefly glance at to see open rates, clicks and calculate conversions.

    Overall I don't get too tied up in the stats - I just keep plodding along the way measuring, tracking and analyzing while making changes wherever needed.

    Too often I see people focus too much energy on statistics and not enough on the business.

    I'm not sure if anyone here is familiar with Microsoft Project. I've worked on many large software projects where the advisory committees and project managers get so tied up in the project plan that they hardly have any chance to get a feel for the vibe of the project as a whole and understand why the project is on/ahead/behind schedule. To them it's just tasks & milestones.

    Looking at things through the sterile glasses of statistics can sometimes cloud the subtle nuances that make this business so much fun to begin with.

    Just sayin'.
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    20% of the time, I make money...all the time!
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    • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
      No point in trying to verify stats since like many have mentioned they are mostly made up. As Nietzsche would put it...

      "All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth." Friedrich Nietzsche

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    And the globe is losing millions of hectacres of arable land per year - if someone would like to do a % on that one. I'm not gonna do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenJ
    "If statistics prove anything (And Statistics prove that they do)" Kenj

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    • Profile picture of the author TravisVOX
      Stats are one of many ways to keep your hand on the pulse of your business. Sure, you can do the infamous "paralysis by analysis," but ultimately, numbers don't lie. There will always be intangibles, but long-term, they play a big roll, and it's always good to parallel your performance with the performance of others.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Steven -

          I'm posting my real stats today for you to see.

          I'm 100% pooped and have 25% of my work yet to do. I'm goofing off 10% of the time (here) so will put in 15% more minutes than originally planned.

          kay
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          • Profile picture of the author Jacob Martus
            Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

            Steven -

            I'm posting my real stats today for you to see.

            I'm 100% pooped and have 25% of my work yet to do. I'm goofing off 10% of the time (here) so will put in 15% more minutes than originally planned.

            kay
            Sounds like an average day for me. Damn warriorforum.
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    • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
      Some food for thought (or for laughs/fun )?

      Here goes...

      "In baseball, my theory is to strive for consistency, not to worry about the numbers. If you dwell on statistics you get shortsighted, if you aim for consistency, the numbers will be there at the end"

      Tom Seaver

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      1) Numbers are tools, not rules. 2) Numbers are symbols for things; the number and the thing are not the same. 3) Skill in manipulating numbers is a talent, not evidence of divine guidance. 4) Like other occult techniques of divination, the statistical method has a private jargon deliberately contrived to obscure its methods from nonpractitioners. 5) The product of an arithmetical computation is the answer to an equation; it is not the solution to a problem. 6) Arithmetical proofs of theorems that do not have arithmetical bases prove nothing.

      Ashley-Perry

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      If your experiment needs statistics, you ought to have done a better experiment.

      Ernest Rutherford

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      You cannot feed the hungry on statistics.

      David Lloyd George

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      He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts--for support rather than for illumination.

      Andrew Lang

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      I can prove anything by statistics except the truth.

      George Canning

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      Statistics are no substitute for judgment.

      Henry Clay

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      Statistics are to baseball what a flaky crust is to Mom's apple pie.

      Harry Reasoner

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      Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.

      Evan Esar

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      Definition of a Statistician: A man who believes figures don't lie, but admits than under analysis some of them won't stand up either.

      Evan Esar

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  • Profile picture of the author Gail Sober
    Real stat as requested.

    This thread has a 6.4% reply/view ratio.

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Pambos
    "All marketers are liars" - Seth Godin
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I've got one for y'all....

    Last week I sent an e-mail to one of my lists which numbered just a hair over 60,000. I had neglected them for about 8 months and asked them to opt-in again if they wanted to continue reading my newsletter.

    It's been 8 days now and the total number that have opted into a new list was:

    3,741

    Yes, they're going to get a couple more reminders.

    Yes, I'm excited because I'm getting people that are REALLY interested now.

    Yes, I'm excited because my monthly autoresponder frees will go down.

    They're going to get some free content for awhile before I hit 'em up with an offer.

    Puuuuh-eeeeece!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      38% of my daily liquid intake is coffee
      61% is tequila
      1% is lemon juice sucked from the lemon during tequila shots

      RoD

      I could have calculated that from Skype convos we've had.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        I could have calculated that from Skype convos we've had.
        Darn you Hamster King! There you go outing me again! Grrrrrrr...........

        Btw, it's 61% coffee on weekdays, 61% tequila on weekends........at least get your stats right.

        RoD
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    100% of the people that demand statistics before they believe you will still not believe you after you supply the stats.
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    CTR 3.68%
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  • Profile picture of the author Folusho Orokunle
    Alright I'll take the bait. I've attached some PPC stats from the Google.

    This is over the past 4 years or so. This specific account is purely related to the "Make Money" niche just so you know.

    For me stats are helpful for motivation to have something to shoot for. But you also need to know what's being put in to have an idea of what the output to shoot for should be.

    If you write 10 articles a day and send out one email a week that is even more important to know than the stats.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimG
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    This was posted tongue in cheek as I have nothign but respect for Steven.

    Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelbnielsen
    Steven,

    Statistics is like Drunk people and Lamp posts....

    They are real good at leaning against, but the do not provide a whole lot of light....

    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    The only important number is the one found in the bottom line of your bank account.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetMarketingIQ
    Celtics 4 Cavs 2

    That's pretty real!
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