Why My 91% Spun Version of My Article Got Declined???

by regska
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Hi Warriors,

I need your advice. I recently purchased an article spinning tool for $47 to explode my article marketing activity because I can't do it by myself on a daily basis as I'm also busy with my offline business. I tried to submit 3 articles today, the first one I got 91% uniqueness, w/c is very high, 2nd got 86% and the 3rd got 74%. I was shocked when all of them got declined! I got a message at ezinearticles.com saying "duplicate/existing content found in your article". I've seen some doing this, and they got no problems submitting spun version of their article. I mean, all of those have more than 70% uniqueness. Any advice here?

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Marty S
    Don't put spun articles on ezinearticles.com at all. You are just jeopardizing your account there and that's not what you want to be doing with that asset.

    Nothing personal, but I am happy to hear they recognized your article as sub par.
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    • Profile picture of the author rainyclayday
      Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

      Don't put spun articles on ezinearticles.com at all. You are just jeopardizing your account there and that's not what you want to be doing with that asset.

      Nothing personal, but I am happy to hear they recognized your article as sub par.
      I agree. Nothing personal here either, to each his own and all that, but spun articles are like litter to me. The sooner the article directories stop allowing it the better. YMMV of course.
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  • Profile picture of the author waken
    Because the statistics shown on the tool is not accurate ..
    Because there are many sentences that repeated itself many times...

    But as Marty pointed out, it's not a good idea to put spined articles on EZA. What you heard may not be always 100% true.. make due diligence...
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  • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
    Just because the spun versions were different to the original version doesn't mean they were different to hundreds of other articles out there. The percentages simply refer to the difference between the original article being spun and the spun versions.

    Were these your own articles? Or just some already overused PLR content?

    If they're your own articles, you don't need to spin them for EZA. But you would need to submit to EZA first and wait for them to be approved before submitting them anywhere else. If you've already published them on several other directories EZA won't bother with them.
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    • Profile picture of the author regska
      Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

      Were these your own articles? Or just some already overused PLR content?

      If they're your own articles, you don't need to spin them for EZA. But you would need to submit to EZA first and wait for them to be approved before submitting them anywhere else. If you've already published them on several other directories EZA won't bother with them.
      Thanks for the response. yeah those were my original articles i've written before. i just want to create different versions out of it,and it's almost 100% unique when I spun it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        But you would need to submit to EZA first and wait for them to be approved before submitting them anywhere else. If you've already published them on several other directories EZA won't bother with them.
        EZA will publish your articles if they are already published elsewhere under your own author name. Sometimes, it may get rejected by an editor too quickly but once you show them it is your content, they will publish it.

        That's why everyone says to put your work on your own websites first. If EZA had to have first dibs, they wouldn't let you do this.

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        • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          EZA will publish your articles if they are already published elsewhere under your own author name. Sometimes, it may get rejected by an editor too quickly but once you show them it is your content, they will publish it.

          That's why everyone says to put your work on your own websites first. If EZA had to have first dibs, they wouldn't let you do this.

          Tina
          I would also make sure that your name is in the author bio if you submit to other directories that are quicker than EZA to approve. When bloggers republish they often add the author bio and source but use their own name or admin for publishing. I had a problem with this last month despite the EZA editor being aware that it was my article from the source.

          If your spun articles read well why don't you use them to build a squidoo lens that points back to your site, or just use them on different article directories instead of spamming one with the same information just written a little different.
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          • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
            Originally Posted by regska View Post

            Hi Warriors,

            I need your advice. I recently purchased an article spinning tool for $47 to explode my article marketing activity because I can't do it by myself on a daily basis as I'm also busy with my offline business. I tried to submit 3 articles today, the first one I got 91% uniqueness, w/c is very high, 2nd got 86% and the 3rd got 74%. I was shocked when all of them got declined! I got a message at ezinearticles.com saying "duplicate/existing content found in your article". I've seen some doing this, and they got no problems submitting spun version of their article. I mean, all of those have more than 70% uniqueness. Any advice here?

            Thanks
            How about these suggestions... (1). Learn how to properly spin articles. (2). Use the right spinning software. (3). Learn how to use Dupe Free Pro to compare your articles to your articles and Copyscape to compare your articles to what's on the net. (4). Learn the TOS and the ebb and flow of the article directories you are submitting to. (5). If you are buying articles from content providers, make sure you confirm that the articles are actually unique. If you are depending on them, you could get burned.

            Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

            The big problem is that too many people confuse "unique" with "original".

            First of all, unique to the spinners (and Copyscape for that matter) is only referring to the actual wording.

            "I will go to the store this afternoon to buy some eggs."

            "Later today, I am going to the market to purchase a dozen eggs."

            According to DupeFree Pro, these two sentences are completely unique.

            That doesn't make the second an original sentence. Original would actually say something different than the first, not merely repackage the same exact ideas and concepts in a different way.

            EZA can tell when you are simply repackaging the same content and they reject it because it adds absolutely no value to their readers.

            Tina
            Tina is right, had you learned that lesson first, we wouldn't be reading this thread.

            Originally Posted by regska View Post

            Hi,

            Just wanna clarify, i submitted 3 spun articles, but those were different topics. The 1st was about list building, 2nd is about PLR and resale rights and the 3rd one was traffic generation. I had original articles under those topics, i just spun and got 1 version for each of them, not the other way around. Anyway, my point here is, I'm not blaming MAR for getting rejected at EZA, but my concern is, the spun version is not giving me decent result, and I had to fix some errors by myself. When I did that, it took me same amount of time when I'm rewriting just like what I'm doing before.
            To be clear, no matter how you felt about the articles or how unique you perceived them to be, EZA is stated that the articles you submitted were already in their database in some part whether it be one paragraph or a single sentence.

            I have a client that submitted a dozen articles to EZA about Article Spinners. Each article had links to his website with the following anchored text: "Article Spinner" "Article Spinners" "Article Spinning" All of his articles, which were of review nature were declined.

            Here is part of the response they sent him...

            We do not allow any content discussing article spinners because it is a product that creates rehashed content that is not 100% original.

            I'll let you interpret their response to your situation and question...

            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            You're pleading your case to the wrong person my friend.

            Spinners should be outlawed and everybody who uses them should have
            all their pages deindexed.

            (Ducking into bunker for incoming missile strike)
            Steven, you can come out the bunker because the coast is clear!

            And by the way, this is not an attempt to persuade you to change your position on article spinners. However, I do want to point out that Christopher Knight, the man behind EZA is making a killing off of spun articles.

            As a matter of fact, if EZA actually pulled the plug on spun articles, they would see a drastic and I mean dramatically drastic, earth shattering, mind boggling reduction in article submissions.

            Examine the EZA database on these subjects and you will find an extremely high percentage of spun articles. Correction; properly spun articles...

            Anti Aging Cream
            Anti Wrinkle
            **** Berry
            Get Your Ex Back
            Make Money Online
            Fix Your Registry
            Weight Loss
            Loose Weight
            Teeth Whitening
            Reverse Phone Lookup

            So if I'm following your position/perspective, then EZA would have to be de-indexed for receiving spun articles? Let's be honest, how many original articles can a person write about, "Reverse Phone Lookup" and a pea sized "**** Berry"?
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            • Profile picture of the author Jay Jennings
              Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

              Let's be honest, how many original articles can a person write about, "Reverse Phone Lookup" and a pea sized "**** Berry"?
              When they don't have anything new to say about it, then maybe it's time to shut up about the subject and stop littering.

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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    If you're too busy to do a lot of the IM stuff yourself (in this case, articles), have you considered outsourcing any of it?
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    • Profile picture of the author regska
      Originally Posted by moneysoapbox View Post

      If you're too busy to do a lot of the IM stuff yourself (in this case, articles), have you considered outsourcing any of it?
      I have some articles written by a ghostwriter, but of course I don't want to spend money every time i submit an article. what I did was write my own articles, I sometimes hire ghostwriters, and then once I had 40+ original articles, I rewrote some of them, and use a spinning software to spin my original articles to save tons of time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
        Originally Posted by regska View Post

        I have some articles written by a ghostwriter, but of course I don't want to spend money every time i submit an article. what I did was write my own articles, I sometimes hire ghostwriters, and then once I had 40+ original articles, I rewrote some of them, and use a spinning software to spin my original articles to save tons of time.
        If you're spinning articles and they're not getting you anywhere, it's counterproductive. You may end up wasting more time than you would've if you'd stuck to outsourcing.

        Besides, it's quality over quantity. I know, I know - many people use articles for backlinks (I'm not suggesting that you necessarily do this) - but you have fewer articles that light the fire under people's butt to get to your website, it's far better than a bunch of mediocre "backlink" articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author LandoFormosa
    If you have spun just the words, I mean just replacing them with synonyms, no wonder this has happened to you.

    You see, your issue rises a very important question.

    A lot of people, that obviously includes also you, believe that spinning just words and sentences is just enough. Yet, Ezine Articles own algorithm, and more importantly Google's search algorithm are extremely smart, when it comes to detecting duplicate content.

    If you want to have truly spun article, you have to change also the syntactic structure of the article.

    What I just said, could very well make me look really stupid in everybody's eyes. Why would you want to change both words and structure, while trying to save time? What you are actually doing then is writing a completely new article. Then why use spinning software at all?

    As I already said, I am stupid giving you this advice, am I?

    So what's the moral?

    Use spinning software only if you would be posting on your own blog or website, preferably only if the article is originally only yours. Otherwise, in best case scenario for you, Google would disregard your article, which contrary to popular belief would not carry any penalty to your website.

    In worst case scenario, well, you've already experienced the worst case scenario...

    Please, take no offense of everything I've written above. I understand very well, that you like most of us, are busy and you really need ways to automate your marketing.

    To sum up, be careful with using spinning software. It can help, but as you see it can also hurt.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      The big problem is that too many people confuse "unique" with "original".

      First of all, unique to the spinners (and Copyscape for that matter) is only referring to the actual wording.

      "I will go to the store this afternoon to buy some eggs."

      "Later today, I am going to the market to purchase a dozen eggs."

      According to DupeFree Pro, these two sentences are completely unique.

      That doesn't make the second an original sentence. Original would actually say something different than the first, not merely repackage the same exact ideas and concepts in a different way.

      EZA can tell when you are simply repackaging the same content and they reject it because it adds absolutely no value to their readers.

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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        The big problem is that too many people confuse "unique" with "original".

        First of all, unique to the spinners (and Copyscape for that matter) is only referring to the actual wording.

        "I will go to the store this afternoon to buy some eggs."

        "Later today, I am going to the market to purchase a dozen eggs."

        According to DupeFree Pro, these two sentences are completely unique.

        That doesn't make the second an original sentence. Original would actually say something different than the first, not merely repackage the same exact ideas and concepts in a different way.

        EZA can tell when you are simply repackaging the same content and they reject it because it adds absolutely no value to their readers.

        Tina
        I disagree with this.

        Ezinearticles do not care that you repeat the same three bulletpoints over and over. Not in my experience at least.
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    • Profile picture of the author regska
      Originally Posted by LandoFormosa View Post

      If you have spun just the words, I mean just replacing them with synonyms, no wonder this has happened to you.

      You see, your issue rises a very important question.

      A lot of people, that obviously includes also you, believe that spinning just words and sentences is just enough. Yet, Ezine Articles own algorithm, and more importantly Google's search algorithm are extremely smart, when it comes to detecting duplicate content.

      If you want to have truly spun article, you have to change also the syntactic structure of the article.

      What I just said, could very well make me look really stupid in everybody's eyes. Why would you want to change both words and structure, while trying to save time? What you are actually doing then is writing a completely new article. Then why use spinning software at all?

      As I already said, I am stupid giving you this advice, am I?

      So what's the moral?

      Use spinning software only if you would be posting on your own blog or website, preferably only if the article is originally only yours. Otherwise, in best case scenario for you, Google would disregard your article, which contrary to popular belief would not carry any penalty to your website.

      In worst case scenario, well, you've already experienced the worst case scenario...

      Please, take no offense of everything I've written above. I understand very well, that you like most of us, are busy and you really need ways to automate your marketing.

      To sum up, be careful with using spinning software. It can help, but as you see it can also hurt.
      Thanks for the constructive criticism, i really appreciate your feedback. I might cancel the software and get my $47 refunded back to me 'cause its not helping me at all. I mean, when i tried to spin one of my articles and fix some errors by myself from the spun version, it took me almost the same amount of time rewriting a new article, so might as well rewrite my existing articles by myself in the future, I just need to make sure to change at least 70% of the content.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nigel Greaves
        Originally Posted by regska View Post

        I might cancel the software and get my $47 refunded back to me 'cause its not helping me at all. I mean, when i tried to spin one of my articles and fix some errors by myself from the spun version, it took me almost the same amount of time rewriting a new article, so might as well rewrite my existing articles by myself in the future, I just need to make sure to change at least 70% of the content.
        My suggestion is to get yourself a refund of the $47, as you mentioned above, and re-invest $9 of it in this John Schwartz's WSO:
        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ghts-more.html

        It will cost you less than hiring someone to re-write articles for you and will help you speed up the process. Plus you will have good quality content to promote your business.

        For clarity let me state that I have no connection with John other than as a highly satisfied client.

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      • Profile picture of the author Marty S
        Originally Posted by regska View Post

        Thanks for the constructive criticism, i really appreciate your feedback. I might cancel the software and get my $47 refunded back to me 'cause its not helping me at all. I mean, when i tried to spin one of my articles and fix some errors by myself from the spun version, it took me almost the same amount of time rewriting a new article, so might as well rewrite my existing articles by myself in the future, I just need to make sure to change at least 70% of the content.
        From your posts here and in the article spinning threads as well, it seems you thought the software would spew out usable versions with very little effort on your part. I tried to explain to you that it does not, and should not.

        If you have Magic Article Rewriter, it is one of the best products on the market for human controlled content, so if it is not helping YOU, it is because YOU do not understand it's purpose.

        I feel you should also do a little more research on article marketing in this forum as well, before you jump to more costly conclusions. I mean you just tried to send 3 variations of the same article to EZA and you think MAR is your problem!!! Not only are the admin at EZA laughing at you right now, I doubt your account will survive much longer with repeated, trash-like contributions.

        Proceed with caution.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
          If you can do that for every sentence, you'll have
          a bunch of articles you can submit to anywhere
          except EZA... lol.
          That's very true. It still doesn't make for an original article, however.

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        • Profile picture of the author regska
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          From your posts here and in the article spinning threads as well, it seems you thought the software would spew out usable versions with very little effort on your part. I tried to explain to you that it does not, and should not.

          If you have Magic Article Rewriter, it is one of the best products on the market for human controlled content, so if it is not helping YOU, it is because YOU do not understand it's purpose.

          I feel you should also do a little more research on article marketing in this forum as well, before you jump to more costly conclusions. I mean you just tried to send 3 variations of the same article to EZA and you think MAR is your problem!!! Not only are the admin at EZA laughing at you right now, I doubt your account will survive much longer with repeated, trash-like contributions.

          Proceed with caution.
          Hi,

          Just wanna clarify, i submitted 3 spun articles, but those were different topics. The 1st was about list building, 2nd is about PLR and resale rights and the 3rd one was traffic generation. I had original articles under those topics, i just spun and got 1 version for each of them, not the other way around. Anyway, my point here is, I'm not blaming MAR for getting rejected at EZA, but my concern is, the spun version is not giving me decent result, and I had to fix some errors by myself. When I did that, it took me same amount of time when I'm rewriting just like what I'm doing before.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    The answer is in your title - you're spinning articles.

    It's the same as spamming and all article sites are looking to reduce/eliminate it.

    Use unique articles and you won't get these problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author regska
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      The answer is in your title - you're spinning articles.

      It's the same as spamming and all article sites are looking to reduce/eliminate it.

      Use unique articles and you won't get these problems.
      thanks for the advice. i might just spend money outsourcing. The reason I'm doing this is to build my subscribers list. once i have enough subscribers, I might decrease my article marketing activity and just do some ad swaps to leverage and multiply my subscribers list.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wechito
        As someone have already said, never submit a spun article to ezinearticles.
        You said you just submitted 3 articles, right?. Don' t use a spinner for that small quantity of articles.
        Try to write them yourself or outsource it. Using a spinner can make sense if you are trying to submit dozens of articles in few days just to get backlinks.
        Why your articles got declined by the other directories (not EzineArticles) is something difficult to answer. I spin a lot of articles and have never had that problem. Maybe you did something wrong or you are using a not very good software.
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        • Profile picture of the author bretski
          I regularly reject spun articles on my site. Any simpleton who can read the English language can tell that it's spun, thus it gets rejected. Usually, all I have to do is read the first paragraph to tell if it's spun junk or written by someone that shouldn't be writing for a living. Yes, if you are doing article marketing you are writing for a living.

          This is very basic stuff.

          If you can't write more than 400-500 words on a subject then you shouldn't be doing article marketing. Find someone that can write and pay them to write articles for you or learn how to write. How do you learn how to write? You write a lot every day and every day you get better at it. Time on task is the name of the game. A human being is going to be reading your stuff and if it blows then they probably aren't going to click on your link.

          If all you're doing is looking for backlinks the spin away and submit your stuff to obscure article directories and blogs but don't bang your head against the wall complaining because one of the top article directories won't accept something. They are under no obligation to accept your articles and can reject them for any and all reasons.
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        • Profile picture of the author regska
          Originally Posted by Wechito View Post

          As someone have already said, never submit a spun article to ezinearticles.
          You said you just submitted 3 articles, right?. Don' t use a spinner for that small quantity of articles.
          Try to write them yourself or outsource it. Using a spinner can make sense if you are trying to submit dozens of articles in few days just to get backlinks.
          Why your articles got declined by the other directories (not EzineArticles) is something difficult to answer. I spin a lot of articles and have never had that problem. Maybe you did something wrong or you are using a not very good software.
          The article never got declined by other directories, only at EZA. I know it makes sense to spin an article if you are bulk submitting, i did that and the first three was declined.
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          • Profile picture of the author regska
            Just to clear things out here once again guys, I'm not using the spinning tool to create crap contents. I only used it to save tons of time, but I still do some revisions and rewriting by myself if the spun version is not readable or doesn't sound natural for me. I tried submitting 9 articles, the first three was declined, maybe im not yet familiar with the software, but I revised it, put some of my words to sound more natural, and then they were accepted when I resubmitted those articles. Again, Im only doing this to save time, after i got the spun version, I still do some rewriting, put some of my words, because never will I intent to post crap content, but at least its not taking me more time compare before.

            Ok, some or many of you might say i should outsource instead, since i dont have time. I understand that, but i don't want to spend money every time I need an article. I do outsource from time to time, but I dont wanna do it every time. in fact, most of the articles that I spun were written by a professional ghostwriter or the one that I wrote before, so its an original article, I dont spin crap content of PLR, rehashed content.
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      • Profile picture of the author netrover
        Originally Posted by regska View Post

        thanks for the advice. i might just spend money outsourcing. The reason I'm doing this is to build my subscribers list. once i have enough subscribers, I might decrease my article marketing activity and just do some ad swaps to leverage and multiply my subscribers list.
        I got the same exact result from EZA today, for the first time. And yes, I took a shortcut and submitted a spun version of an article I purchased on Amazon for $7. EZA sent me an email asking me to explain why my article is very close in content to a webpage they referenced (on Answers.com). I basically told the truth, played dumb and said I thought it was ok to do this; still waiting on their answer (they temporarily suspended my account).

        Here's the thing about "article marketing"-- an article written by an expert in the field is always going to be original and useful. One that is comprised of bits and pieces of other related articles is going to be quite obvious. I believe (but have no proof) that Google and EZA use highly sophisticated software to analyze content that incorporates several layers of filters, including latent semantic indexing. In other words, even if the words are totally different, if they say the same thing and are in the same order on the page (paragraphs, relation to adjacent sentences, etc), they will be flagged.

        Lastly, call me a pessimist, but I have very serious doubts about the effectiveness of "outsourcing" content creation. Think about it. Some guy or gal in India or the Philippines writing an article about something they know absolutely nothing about. Guess what they are likely to do, and hope you don't find out? Yes, they are going to go into the swipe file (we IMs are going after the same niches-- forex, dating, insurance, etc. etc.), open up their article spinning software, spin one of the niche articles they have on file, and if you're "lucky" will add a crappy beginning and ending paragraph, and send you the final version-- a regurgitated piece of crap that no one will read past the first sentence.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimG
          Originally Posted by netrover View Post

          Lastly, call me a pessimist, but I have very serious doubts about the effectiveness of "outsourcing" content creation. Think about it. Some guy or gal in India or the Philippines writing an article about something they know absolutely nothing about. Guess what they are likely to do, and hope you don't find out? Yes, they are going to go into the swipe file (we IMs are going after the same niches-- forex, dating, insurance, etc. etc.), open up their article spinning software, spin one of the niche articles they have on file, and if you're "lucky" will add a crappy beginning and ending paragraph, and send you the final version-- a regurgitated piece of crap that no one will read past the first sentence.
          That's not being a pessimist, its reality which is why unless you know the outsource provider you need to be careful with where you post your outsourced articles.

          Fortunately there are several good high quality article writers in this very forum that provide quality content, which can be used on your website or confidently submitted to places like Ezinearticles.com, at a decent price.

          Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Bainbridge
    I use spinning a lot and it is useful to me, but as others have said NEVER put them on EZA - even though they work it is true that the quality just isn't as good - you can use them as backlinks, and you can get small amounts of traffic with them, but mostly just put them on other article directories, on some web 2.0 sites a little if they will let them pass, or have you considered joining a blog network like Article Marketing Automation or Free Traffic System - they will definitely allow you to post spun articles
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Blaze
    Ok yep spun articles do get accepted into Ezine alot! Trust me ive done it on more than a few occassions now.

    However if you submit all 3 spun versions on the same day! Similar times or are just unlucky then they will get rejected because the same reviewer is reading them all and so will notice they are all the same.

    Plus ive never got more than 4 (max) of the same spun article accepted into ezine articles across the period of a week of submitting but once it is flagged as duplicate then the review process is even worse for that article so it's better to delete it and throw up another spun one and try that.

    Now in general ezinearticles doesn't accept any spun content but i assure you that if you play the game just like they are then you can get it through

    As to if it is really worth wasting all that time submitting spun articles there and trying time after time to get them approved, well only you can make that decision!

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  • Profile picture of the author NiyazK
    hmm maybe some sentences were grammatically wrong or something.. You shouldn't try that on ezine ... its a moderated and strict directory
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  • Profile picture of the author mijagi
    EZA is weird. I had one article published. Then I went back and changed the link in the authors box. Now they say the article body does not meet the promise made in the title.

    Go figure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Get your money back for the tool and stop trying to pollute the internet with more crap!

    1 Really good article with compelling content beats a thousand trained monkeys writing articles any day.

    People still don't understand that all they have to do is create really good content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Also for your own sake, I think Google are picking up on this.

      So if you are going to spin content you need to start spinning the HTML of the actual article i.e <p>, <br>

      Also you need to spin the sentence about 4 - 5 times.

      My personal opinion on spinning content is it takes so long to spin one article without a guaranteed indexing from Google.

      For the time it takes me to spin one article i can write about 6 or 7.

      I understand what you are saying though and may be the best way for you till you get more used to article writing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      Get your money back for the tool and stop trying to pollute the internet with more crap!

      1 Really good article with compelling content beats a thousand trained monkeys writing articles any day.

      People still don't understand that all they have to do is create really good content.
      Meanwhile, other people don't realize using a tool doesn't automatically mean crap, nor does it prevent the creation of really good content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
      Originally Posted by Brad Gosse View Post

      Get your money back for the tool and stop trying to pollute the internet with more crap!

      1 Really good article with compelling content beats a thousand trained monkeys writing articles any day.

      People still don't understand that all they have to do is create really good content.
      I'll never understand why people need to be told this but apparently they do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        You can also go to EZA and find many articles that are geotargeted. new york limousines, boston lawyers, etc But try to submit articles like that now and they will almost always be declined. (thank goodness)
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        Originally Posted by Rich Struck View Post

        I'll never understand why people need to be told this but apparently they do.
        some self proclaimed guru probably told them it's the way to go
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  • Profile picture of the author raycowie
    More to the point, it just shows you that article spinners DON'T WORK!
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
      Originally Posted by gateway2 View Post

      More to the point, it just shows you that article spinners DON'T WORK!
      I'm sorry but that is a complete lie and generalisation. So all those people using "the best spinner" and other alternatives are wrong? If they didn't work then why would people buy them. I have the best spinner and it works for me!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Not only should EZA reject your articles, they should suspend your account
        as well.

        Just my opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author regska
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Not only should EZA reject your articles, they should suspend your account
          as well.

          Just my opinion.
          I appreciate your response. Im having my spun version of articles accepted now at EZA. Again, just like what i said, im not using an article spinning tool to post crap, i just used it to save tons of time instead of rewriting all of them by myself. When you take a look at the articles at EZA, there are a lot of identical topics, for example, an article about "list building", there are a lot of articles about "list building", and its getting accepted even though its the same topic because the content is not duplicated. they just have different titles and content inside. that's what im trying to do, to create several versions of my existing article about "article marketing","list building",traffic generation", "PLR and resale rights" etc but im not making or submitting duplicate contents, i just want to create several versions of it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by regska View Post

            I appreciate your response. Im having my spun version of articles accepted now at EZA. Again, just like what i said, im not using an article spinning tool to post crap, i just used it to save tons of time instead of rewriting all of them by myself. When you take a look at the articles at EZA, there are a lot of identical topics, for example, an article about "list building", there are a lot of articles about "list building", and its getting accepted even though its the same topic because the content is not duplicated. they just have different titles and content inside. that's what im trying to do, to create several versions of my existing article about "article marketing","list building",traffic generation", "PLR and resale rights" etc but im not making or submitting duplicate contents, i just want to create several versions of it.
            You're pleading your case to the wrong person my friend.

            Spinners should be outlawed and everybody who uses them should have
            all their pages deindexed.

            (Ducking into bunker for incoming missile strike)
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Spinners should be outlawed and everybody who uses them should have all their pages deindexed.
              I do not agree with this.












              But I wouldn't mind if it happened.
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              • Profile picture of the author luckystepho
                I think that the IM world is becoming so competitive nowadays that the best way to stand out from the crowd is to provide only top quality, original content- whether this means creating it yourself or outsourcing. There are some very good writers out there (and on this form) who will write original articles for a very reasonable fee.

                I used to purchase PLR articles to rewrite for my sites (although I only ever submit my own original articles to directories) but to be perfectly honest, most of them are a load of **** and in the time it takes to rewrite them I can write my own completely original article.
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        • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Not only should EZA reject your articles, they should suspend your account
          as well.

          Just my opinion.
          It's a good opinion. People need to focus on better content not more regurgitated content.

          We need a Stop Internet Pollution PSA LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author webtrix
          EZA accepts only unique articles.
          If you take a look at Unique | Define Unique at Dictionary.com you'll see definition also as: having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable:

          So, unique article in this case is not rewritten, not spun, is the only one, and it can not be "compared" to any other article

          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Not only should EZA reject your articles, they should suspend your account as well.

          Just my opinion.
          I'll take this as when you we're a "newbie" you already knew it all.
          (Therefor, you never were a newbie, I guess..)
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            • Profile picture of the author regska
              I really appreciate all your feedback guys. thanks for all the information that you shared. i definitely learned a lot.

              cheers.
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            • Profile picture of the author webtrix
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              I'm struggling to find a non-dismissive, polite way to say this, but I'm afraid the bottom line is that it's just completely wrong.

              Like many article marketers, I have many hundreds of articles on EZA which were not in any sense "unique", when submitted, because they'd all been previously published, in absolutely identical form, on other sites.

              EZA has never required unique articles, and they still don't.
              OKay, now I'm struggling too.

              Tell me, are your hundreds of articles unique or not? Think about it...
              Did you took some article that can be found elsewhere, and rewrote it/spun it/whatever or is it an original unique article ?

              And whatever the answer is, I think that's something EZA wants...
              (Surely I did not mean Buzzle kind of unique article)
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                • Profile picture of the author webtrix
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  As I said above, I take articles that can be found elsewhere (i.e. on one of my own sites/blogs) and submit them with no rewriting and no spinning to EZA in the identical form in which they have previously been published. And so do many of my clients. And so do huge numbers of other article marketers.

                  Where's the ambiguity? It's a simple, factual statement: EZA has never required unique articles and still doesn't.
                  Sorry, you just don't get me...

                  Did I say you can't take your own article and submit it to EZA as is ? Nope.
                  I just meant you can't take your own article and rewrite and spin it and submit it to EZA.

                  OK, let me try once more:
                  Since you don't rewrite and spin them they are unique in the eyes of EZA
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                  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
                    Originally Posted by webtrix View Post

                    Sorry, you just don't get me...

                    [SNIP]

                    I just meant you can't take your own article and rewrite and spin it and submit it to EZA.
                    Really? I do it all the time and have been doing so the last several months when I got into IM.

                    Need to get your facts straight before you embarass yourself even further.


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                    • Profile picture of the author webtrix
                      Not sure if you read the whole thread or not.... Start with OP..

                      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

                      Really? I do it all the time and have been doing so the last several months when I got into IM.
                      skyfox7, OP obviously can't. The whole answer lies within Crew's answers.
                      I hope you have tremendous success with it.

                      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

                      Need to get your facts straight before you embarass yourself even further.
                      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

                      ...the last several months when I got into IM.
                      I'm out...
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        • Profile picture of the author TimG
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Not only should EZA reject your articles, they should suspend your account
          as well.

          Just my opinion.
          Steven,
          Maybe that's a little too harsh...the OP probably learned to spin articles and submit them from this very forum and with so many new article spinning software products getting pimped by everyone it only seems natural to go this route.

          However, the mistake that a lot of folks make when using article spinners is taking that content and trying to post it to top level article directories.

          Always, always reserve original content for the following locations:

          1 - Your website (take care of yourself first)
          2 - Top level article directories (EZA, Articlesbase, Goarticles, Info Barrel...etc)
          3 - As blog post if you are a guest blogger

          Spun content (and yes I use it) should be reserved for lower level article directories because well, honestly, they are lower level and they need your spun content more, than your need, to provide them with original articles. <-------Sounds wierd but I think you can get what I mean.

          All of the software tools that are developed to help article marketers are just hat, tools to be used in an appropriate and do I dare say it, respectful manner. It is the misuse of these programs that is becoming the abomination for all article marketers.

          Use the programs when appropriate but don't expect them to be a true replacement for 3 things - Your brain, your fingers and your computer's keyboard.

          Respectfully,
          Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Iv been spinning for some time right now, and so far my income has increased dramatically and it is still doing so, but then again, I know what I am doing, most people who say that hand spinning is rubbish, more often than not, don't know how to properly spin, or they over rate themselves as to the quality of their content.

    If you write such good quality content then you should be able to spin many variations of it while still maintaining its quality and flow.

    When it comes to spinning, here is a rule of thumb:

    Garbage in = Garbage out

    You still have to write good quality content, something a lot of people seem to forget.

    Nor is it enough to just change the words around using synonyms. You have to create several DIFFERENT versions of the article before you can start spinning, I find 3 to be optimal as I only submit to the top 10 directories as the rest most likely wont be there by the end of the year. I also create video's and podcast's using them as well.

    Out of curiosity, what tool were you trying to use?


    Chris


    P.s. I regularly submit to EZA with no problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author regska
      Originally Posted by skyfox7 View Post

      Iv been spinning for some time right now, and so far my income has increased dramatically and it is still doing so, but then again, I know what I am doing, most people who say that hand spinning is rubbish, more often than not, don't know how to properly spin, or they over rate themselves as to the quality of their content.

      If you write such good quality content then you should be able to spin many variations of it while still maintaining its quality and flow.

      When it comes to spinning, here is a rule of thumb:

      Garbage in = Garbage out

      You still have to write good quality content, something a lot of people seem to forget.

      Nor is it enough to just change the words around using synonyms. You have to create several DIFFERENT versions of the article before you can start spinning, I find 3 to be optimal as I only submit to the top 10 directories as the rest most likely wont be there by the end of the year. I also create video's and podcast's using them as well.

      Out of curiosity, what tool were you trying to use?


      Chris


      P.s. I regularly submit to EZA with no problem.
      I'm using MAR because its a one time fee compare to TBS, but TBS is good its just that i dont need all of their features. Im having my articles accepted now, maybe i was just not familiar with the software the 1st time ive used it.
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  • Profile picture of the author yeahman
    save your premium content for ezine and put spun articles on lower grade web 2.0 properties
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  • Profile picture of the author Benhur
    Try copyscape before you submit your article, this might help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Meadowview
    Seems to me that some of the responses in this thread are a little harsh......

    With that said, are any of the anti spinners using article submittal programs like SEOLinkVine? If so, how many times are you attempting to get one unspun article published? It seems to me (a very wet behind the ears rookie) that SEOLinkVine is based upon spinning. Is it worth using for unspun articles?

    Like the OP I am just trying to figure things out so be gentle.
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  • I honestly don't think you should ask for a refund. The software is doing exactly what it said it would do - taking content, and making half-arsed versions of it that are supposed to be "unique". You're just using it in a way other than what was intended.

    Unfortunately, none of the ways it was intended are very ethical anyway.

    Just cut your losses, and move on. You need to write very high quality content yourself, and submit it as a guest blogger or columnist on high PR sites - which is a much better way to get traffic from your content, IMHO - or, if your writing is good enough for EZA (which, lets face it, any 3rd grader's is...) but not good enough for feature syndication, hire a real freelance writer.

    Sure, it might cost you more than $1/article - but you're sure going to get a lot more mileage out of it than some spun article submitted to a content farm.

    And for the love of everything that is holy, learn a lesson from this. Spamming junk articles over the internet is NOT a viable way to build a business. Provide value, and the money will follow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
      I would never post anything to an article directory or elsewhere for that matter that was not my own. Original content is always the best way to go, because if you dupe someone with an article and they know you do that, then they may assume you might be willing to dupe them in other things.

      On another note about Ezine Articles and their submission/rejection process, I am no longer using thier service, as recently I discovered one of my original articles in their directory under another "authors name" and when I submitted a complaint about it, nobody even bothered to contact me. I've never sold any of my original articles, they were strictly written for my own use. And it was pretty sad when it was even stated within the article body that I was Laurie Rogers and that I co-wrote an ebook with Jimmy D. Brown, how could they accept it?

      Makes no sense to me, so on that basis, although I can appreciate their traffic, I am not going to compromise my work for it either and won't be using them any longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author dyadvisor
    I am currently discussing with Chris & Marc at Ezine Articles this very problem. Believe me, or not, spinning articles are on the way out.

    A spun article can slide pass programs like Copyspace, but Google is one step ahead. Without revealing too much, let me give you some proof that you can verify.

    Go to Google search: Google stop words list --the first entry is great, print out this 650+ expanding word list. Everyone of these words Google skips over (ignores as worthless). Print them out.

    Now look at many of the stop words. Many spinners give say 4 alternatives (to fool--- Copyspace and you). Test a couple.

    If you check the stop list, you will see that the replacement word is also a useless Google stop word.

    Your program reads 31% unique. Now cross out all the Google meaningless stop words. You are lucky if is is 5% to 10% unique.

    I have put many hours of research into this, and believe me, the final result will be a lot less spinning getting through quality article directories, making a new program detecting % of stop words.

    Stop buying spinning software. There are 2 ways around, but I do not care to ruin this post.

    Donald Yerke Advanced Expert Article Writer

    Hope this helps. Have a great day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by dyadvisor View Post

      I am currently discussing with Chris & Marc at Ezine Articles this very problem. Believe me, or not, spinning articles are on the way out.

      A spun article can slide pass programs like Copyspace, but Google is one step ahead. Without revealing too much, let me give you some proof that you can verify.

      Go to Google search: Google stop words list --the first entry is great, print out this 650+ expanding word list. Everyone of these words Google skips over (ignores as worthless). Print them out.

      Now look at many of the stop words. Many spinners give say 4 alternatives (to fool--- Copyspace and you). Test a couple.

      If you check the stop list, you will see that the replacement word is also a useless Google stop word.

      Your program reads 31% unique. Now cross out all the Google meaningless stop words. You are lucky if is is 5% to 10% unique.

      I have put many hours of research into this, and believe me, the final result will be a lot less spinning getting through quality article directories, making a new program detecting % of stop words.

      Stop buying spinning software. There are 2 ways around, but I do not care to ruin this post.

      Donald Yerke Advanced Expert Article Writer

      Hope this helps. Have a great day.
      The "stop words list" has been around for ages and it is not designed for filtering or detecting duplicate content. As a matter of fact, the SWL was around before spinning articles existed or became popular.

      Any IM engineer will tell you that the "Stop Words List" was created to speed up search results and to save disk space. All search engines use them.

      If they didn't, it would not only decrease the speed of the SEs when you perform a search, it would also increase the need for them to have more disk space, it would also make crawling large sites a nightmare; especially the ones with bad grammar.
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  • Profile picture of the author dyadvisor
    You are most certainly free to your own theories. The original post was about articles getting blocked. Employing this method will detect PLR and spun articles galore. The question (OP) why articles are starting to get rejected, has to do with the originality factor. Anyone that wants to keep twisting meanings of words and submitting PLR articles can do so. Ezine is programming up ways to detect hundreds of thousands of PLR articles automatically. The finding of substitute word use is next, as Google provides the guide. This is not new, but if concerned take the time to actually review the words listed, check them against your program.

    This is making use of increasing information Google is providing to increase quality. Believe it or not, that is certainly your option, I am only informing how the vise is starting to tighten.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by dyadvisor View Post

      You are most certainly free to your own theories. The original post was about articles getting blocked. Employing this method will detect PLR and spun articles galore. The question (OP) why articles are starting to get rejected, has to do with the originality factor. Anyone that wants to keep twisting meanings of words and submitting PLR articles can do so. Ezine is programming up ways to detect hundreds of thousands of PLR articles automatically. The finding of substitute word use is next, as Google provides the guide. This is not new, but if concerned take the time to actually review the words listed, check them against your program.

      This is making use of increasing information Google is providing to increase quality. Believe it or not, that is certainly your option, I am only informing how the vise is starting to tighten.
      (1). The question by the OP was why did her articles get declined?

      The answer is, (whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not) was because she did not spin them properly.

      (2). Stop Words Lists and the reason for its existence is not a theory, mines or anyone else's. I challenge you to perform an unbiased and unslanted research on SWL and then come back and tell us its purpose. And site all of your sources.

      (3). We get it! You belong to the society of individuals that despise people who spin articles. That's obvious. You really drive the point home in post #50, when you desrcibe yourself as, "Donald Yerke Advanced Expert Article Writer" Again, we get it! You're the expert and people who spin articles are low life's who should be banished into the abyss of mindless IMers. There they shall remain until they learn how to write 45 articles per day from scratch... on thirteen different niches they know nothing about. We get it!

      (4). Your obstinate position against spinners is not going to change the fact that EZA publishes tons of spun articles everyday, again, try and get over it!

      (5). FACT: When EZA declines an article, all one has to do to get it accepted is to repackage it. Anyone who has had an EZA for the long haul knows this.

      (6). You asserted that EZA is, "...programming up ways to detect hundreds of thousands of PLR articles automatically." This is not new information. EZA has being dong this since the PLR purveyors went bonkers.

      This is a verbatim e-mail from Christoper Knight dated 5/12/08
      This is the natural evolution of our quality focus. Newbie competitor websites with no market credibility would have to offer lots of active self-serving links to make up for having a very low audience profile. Our high-traffic audience profile is the result of years of raising standards frequently. This is just another one of those standards that the time has come to raise.

      It's important to differentiate EzineArticles from spammy looking websites (you know exactly who and the type of sites I'm referring to)

      That was two years ago. If you actually read the emails from Chris, it's no secret that he is adamantly against PLR content.

      Here is another email from Chris, a few months later.

      * Repackaging Existing Articles On Your Website Now and Submitting Them To EzineArticles Does NOT Trigger Our Derivative Content Filters

      * Rehashing One Article into Many Versions of the Same Article IS Creating Derivative Content...Something We and Our Users Don't Want

      * Continue to Write and Submit High-Quality, Unique, Original Articles

      * Your Old Existing Articles that Someone has Not Seen Yet... are New to Them!

      (7). Like it or not, agree with it or not, the term "Repackaging" can be replaced with "Spinning"

      In the incident with the OP, it is most likely that someone swiped her article from her website and posted it EZA before she did. Or, she bought the original article from a source that copied it and sold it to her.

      But all of the hoopla against spun content is not going to stop it from coming. When the standards are raised, programmers will write better programs... get over it.

      They have tools to tighten the vise... we tools to loosen the vise.

      It's all a game and WE play to win!
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  • Profile picture of the author jrussell
    Hi gary,
    Its better and quicker to write articles yourself without spinning them, they always sound better.
    Do you not think your cheating by spinning and not offering your client original articles. Spinning will not help you build up a client base who view your work as excellent and worth paying for.

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    • Profile picture of the author regska
      Originally Posted by jrussell View Post

      Hi gary,
      Its better and quicker to write articles yourself without spinning them, they always sound better.
      Do you not think your cheating by spinning and not offering your client original articles. Spinning will not help you build up a client base who view your work as excellent and worth paying for.

      Jo
      Hi jrussell,

      Just want to clear things out here. I used the spinning software not to cheat, i used it for me to save tons of time because im really busy with my offline business. I used to rewrite my articles by myself, and I just tried to buy some spinning tool for me to save tons of time. But of course, if some sentences are not readable and doesn't sound natural, i put my own words to it and I still do some rewriting just like what im doing before.
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  • Profile picture of the author franamico
    Originally Posted by regska View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I need your advice. I recently purchased an article spinning tool for $47 to explode my article marketing activity because I can't do it by myself on a daily basis as I'm also busy with my offline business. I tried to submit 3 articles today, the first one I got 91% uniqueness, w/c is very high, 2nd got 86% and the 3rd got 74%. I was shocked when all of them got declined! I got a message at ezinearticles.com saying "duplicate/existing content found in your article". I've seen some doing this, and they got no problems submitting spun version of their article. I mean, all of those have more than 70% uniqueness. Any advice here?

    Thanks

    In my experience, ezinearticles.com and hubpages.com are very selective against spun articles. For this reason, and because they rank me No 1 for most of my keywords, I always post unique articles in these two sites.

    However, I post spun articles in other directories using a semiautomatic tool that submits my content to over 100 articles directories (including Go articles). Never got rejected.
    If you are looking for more one-way back links you might also want to try the FREE Traffic System service. It submits your spun articles to over 30 high ranking blogs in your niche.

    Good luck!!
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  • Profile picture of the author dyadvisor
    Gretski: Very good comments. I also have an article directory and am feed articles from many sources. My system is set up to reject ALL articles under 400 words.

    This self eliminates most the spin and PLR litter. With a 10 second look at spin word alternatives I eliminate 95% of the other junk and trash of lazy people. Authors only. Even close duplicates & partial rewrites are acceptable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian York
    Most (like 99%) article spinners are rubbish.

    Focus on creating less articles but of higher quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author jjturner
    Calm down .
    I use an article spinner and have no problems.
    Maybe you need to learn how to spin articles correctly before you write a post you apparently know nothing about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by dyadvisor View Post

      Gretski: Very good comments. I also have an article directory and am feed articles from many sources. My system is set up to reject ALL articles under 400 words.

      This self eliminates most the spin and PLR litter. With a 10 second look at spin word alternatives I eliminate 95% of the other junk and trash of lazy people. Authors only. Even close duplicates & partial rewrites are acceptable.
      Do share your system! And please tell us if the system will work for those who own a large network of article directories that receives and average of 2200 articles per directory.

      I got the part about 400 words. But if I'm hearing you correctly, you believe that you have a system that can quickly detect spun articles that easily pass Copyscape and DupreFreePro and are 100% readable.


      Originally Posted by Christian York View Post

      Most (like 99%) article spinners are rubbish.

      Focus on creating less articles but of higher quality.
      Christian, its not the spinners; its the users.

      Originally Posted by jrussell View Post

      Hi gary,
      Its better and quicker to write articles yourself without spinning them, they always sound better.
      Do you not think your cheating by spinning and not offering your client original articles. Spinning will not help you build up a client base who view your work as excellent and worth paying for.

      Jo
      I betcha sites like Textbrokers.com and all of the major content providers would tend to disagree with you jrussell. You see, their writers grab content, spin it, rinse it through Copyscape at $.05 a pop and move on to the next article in 5 to 7 minutes flat. That's how content providers can churn out 150 articles comprised of 500 words each on 15 different subjects they know nothing about in less than 72 hours and they all end up on EZA.

      Whether anyone disagrees with their business model is a moot point; their clients are laughing all the way to the bank. The reality is - people vehemently disagreed with Bill Gate's business model. They disagreed with WalMart's business model. They disagreed with 7 Eleven's business model... BUT they couldn't stop them, WHY?

      One answer; their customers love them!
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  • Profile picture of the author rayray7
    Originally Posted by regska View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    I need your advice. I recently purchased an article spinning tool for $47 to explode my article marketing activity because I can't do it by myself on a daily basis as I'm also busy with my offline business. I tried to submit 3 articles today, the first one I got 91% uniqueness, w/c is very high, 2nd got 86% and the 3rd got 74%. I was shocked when all of them got declined! I got a message at ezinearticles.com saying "duplicate/existing content found in your article". I've seen some doing this, and they got no problems submitting spun version of their article. I mean, all of those have more than 70% uniqueness. Any advice here?

    Thanks
    do make sure you do not pull the original article fron EZINEARTICLES.

    Rewrite the first sentence of each paragraph b4 spinning
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    Try shuffling the paragraphs
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    Try to avoid spinning articles for EZA.

    It also depends on how you are spinning the content. If you are just replacing the words then this will show up as dupe content. The general rule of thumb is to spin the sentence several times and then spin the words within that.

    Also, things like the number of paragraphs, words, structure etc are also tell tale signs than content has been spun. Spinning articles should only IMO be used if you want to add multiple 'unique' content to your own blogs or Web2.0 properties and only if you do not have the budget to have freshly written content.

    Fresh content ALWAYS wins over spun content from my experience.

    Good luck on your endeavours.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      If you guys and gals want to get a real laugh on how not to spin, take a look at this article:

      Just replace the "xo" with "tt"
      hxop://www.articlesbase.com/sexuality-articles/male-enhancement-herb-enhancement-enzyte-smiling-bob-commercial-2191706.html

      Also check the date on the article...

      Of course, this wouldn't have made it past EZA, but I've seen worse in other top tier directories.

      DULY NOTE: This was for laughs only people...
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      • Profile picture of the author regska
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        If you guys and gals want to get a real laugh on how not to spin, take a look at this article:

        Just replace the "xo" with "tt"
        hxop://www.articlesbase.com/sexuality-articles/male-enhancement-herb-enhancement-enzyte-smiling-bob-commercial-2191706.html

        Also check the date on the article...

        Of course, this wouldn't have made it past EZA, but I've seen worse in other top tier directories.

        DULY NOTE: This was for laughs only people...
        LOL! The author has 1k+ live articles. I laughed when I read the first paragraph. She surely doesn't know how to spin. All she wants to do is produce bunch of articles. I wondered why articlesbase.com accepted that article.
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        • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
          It looks like spun articles are on the way out because e zine and go articles are stepping up their level of sophistication when it comes to catching spun articles. In the end content is going to be king.
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  • Profile picture of the author jennypitts
    Spinning software is simply a waste of time and money. I rather spend the $47 you spent on the software on a human that can write fresh content for me. A software will only replace words with synonyms and NOT change the sentences or their order for that matter. Ezine is probably the strictest of all the directories, although I have used some that have pretty tough rules as well. As others have told you, spinning your articles is NOT worth losing your account with ezines.

    I suggest you try hiring someone that can re-write your articles entirely and not just replace words with synonyms.
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by Vanquish View Post

      It looks like spun articles are on the way out because e zine and go articles are stepping up their level of sophistication when it comes to catching spun articles. In the end content is going to be king.
      Stepping up their level of sophistication? Please explain and site your sources. EZA uses Copyscape and so does GOA and so do most smart Article Marketers.

      I can show you a ton of spun articles in both of those directories. They made it past copyscape with flying colors. I realize that its hard for some people to accept but this form of marketing is not going anywhere no matter how much they despise it.

      I'm not condoning it; I'm just saying, it's not going anywhere.

      If you love sitting down and banging out articles on the keyboard or if you use Naturally Speaking or some other voice diction software, more power to you! Others may not have the patience, desire, writing skills, research skills or the time to do that.

      Still others may be true AIMs Aggressive Internet Marketers who have over one hundred live and active websites in their portfolio. To think they are going to sit down and write articles for one hundred or two hundred or three hundred websites is insanely impractical. They are going to outsource! And they are going to outsource to people using Whitesmoke, spinners and the such.

      Look at these stats from today on: EZA Expert EzineArticles Author

      Sean R Mize 23,620 Articles

      Lance Winslow 20,197 Articles

      Do you think Sean and Lance wrote those articles? If you do your homework, you'll find that the bulk of those articles in Mize's case are relatively recent. Please tell me that you don't think Mize wrote those?

      As far as Lance goes, here is a verbatim statement he made in third person... :confused: scratching my head wondering why he was speaking about himself but wrote...

      Note: All of Lance Winslow's articles are written by him, not by Automated Software, any Computer Program, or Artificially Intelligent Software. None of his articles are outsourced, PLR Content or written by ghost writers.
      At any rate, Aggressive Internet Marketers are pushing those same types if numbers and they are doing no writing!

      Originally Posted by jennypitts View Post

      Spinning software is simply a waste of time and money. I rather spend the $47 you spent on the software on a human that can write fresh content for me. A software will only replace words with synonyms and NOT change the sentences or their order for that matter. Ezine is probably the strictest of all the directories, although I have used some that have pretty tough rules as well. As others have told you, spinning your articles is NOT worth losing your account with ezines.

      I suggest you try hiring someone that can re-write your articles entirely and not just replace words with synonyms.
      Ok, so you hire someone and they sell you a spun article that passes copyscape and reads great... do you reject the article because they spun it?
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      • Profile picture of the author TimG
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        Look at these stats from today on: EZA Expert EzineArticles Author

        Sean R Mize 23,620 Articles

        Lance Winslow 20,197 Articles

        Do you think Sean and Lance wrote those articles? If you do your homework, you'll find that the bulk of those articles in Mize's case are relatively recent. Please tell me that you don't think Mize wrote those?
        Really enjoying your postings in this thread and glad you brought up those 2 marketers because I think they are actually the Ying and the Yang.

        Sean, I believe, outsources a lot of his articles to several writing teams - not sure how they create the articles but unless he has changed his methods (haven't looked at his articles recently), he was submitting short articles which could be handwritten but may also be spun content.

        Lance, was able to build his article numbers up quickly because he actually took postings from his blog and turned them into articles so I suspect that a majority of his are hand written from scratch. Plus, he seems to write about anything and everything unlike Sean who seems to focus on IM specific topics.

        As Peter Parker's Uncle (Ben Parker) once told him, "With great power comes great responsibility" - Know when and how to use an article spinner and you won't damage your creativity, name and traffic/income generating capabilities.

        Respectfully,
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Okay, it seems I need to step in again because the majority of responses in this thread are incredibly laughable.

    First things first:

    EZA ACCCEPTS HAND SPUN ARTICLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now that we have gotten that out of the way, time for a more detailed response.

    For those who consider spinning of any kind, either by hand or auto-matic, spam, get off your high horse. You appear to never have heard of a concept called syndication: Print syndication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You know those Garfield and Dilbert comics that get printed in the paper? Are you aware they are also printed in identical form in newspapers around the world?

    This is no diferent to submitting the same or spun article to multiple article directories.

    Now as for outsourcing the re-writing of articles manually 1 at a time, what makes you think that these article writing services aren't using spinners themselves?

    Not to mention what a waste of money they are.

    As for doing it yourself manually, hey, time is money and since productivity and money aren't important to you, have fun rewriting that article yourself 20 times.

    Meanwhile, I shal get back to manually spinning my articles and reaping the rewords of doing so.

    Have a good day!

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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Please excuse my picking up on that one, Chris, but it's the best and most appropriate typo/pun I've seen here for a long time.
        Ha, I was wondering if anybody would notice :p


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    Add a new intro and conclusion on it
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  • Profile picture of the author jjturner
    What is the purpose of spinning articles?
    Answer: to build back links and gain higher search engine rankings.
    Why do the most successful Internet Marketers (Brad Callen, Andy Black, Todd Dickerson) just to name a few, recommend article spinning. They also have built and market there own article spinners.
    Are they all just lying to us to make a buck?
    Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      Originally Posted by jjturner View Post

      Are they all just lying to us to make a buck?
      Nah! Nobody would ever do that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
        Nothing can ever replace the human brain when it comes to coming up with ways to express written thought.

        Article spinners perform mechanical rearranging of words. No matter how good they claim to be, they'll never be able to exactly duplicate how a human thinks or talks. I find them a waste of time and money.

        For those that do want to use them. Post spun articles on your own sites, autoresponders, etc. No one controls the content there but you.

        Post unique content to article directories and you should be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author gvannorman
    I personally have never tried to spin an article. I prefer writing them myself. Writing is a passion of mine and I need little motivation because it is all natural. Sure, I need some guidance here and there. But, the more I write the better I get at it.

    Right now I am learning the proper use of keywords and power words. Soon I will be one of the elite writers. I am aiming for the top 10% of the world's writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author DollarsToDollars
    I've had a few very well written articles ghost-written for me and I still spent time making sure that they were completely "in my voice". It was always quicker than writing them from scratch and they always ended up as my unique content. Short, medium and longer-term, the profits come from WRITING decent unique and useful articles ... your words, your thoughts, your ideas ... RESULT: YOUR profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      Should you spin? Should you not? The answer depends upon where is it that you want to submit.

      Are you looking to submit to EZA? If so, forget spinning - EZA is strict and most of the spin-generated content is going to be captured. And this is what has happened to the OP in this case.

      Are you submitting in most other article directories? Go ahead! Spinning would most likely be enough.

      So, messaage to the OP - if you want to make your work easier by spinning articles, do so by all means but not for your EZA efforts. If you want to spin then:
      1. Submit your original hand-written article to EZA. If you find this too difficult to write for whatever reason then simply outsource. Don't risk your EZA account.
      2. Now, spin it.
      3. Finally submit your spun version to most other article directories leaving out EZA. There may be one or two article directories that may reject (not too likely to get many rejections because of duplicate article issues though it may still be difficult for you from the grammar point that your spinned may generate) but in general your article will be accepted.
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  • Profile picture of the author OrganicSeoGuru
    You need to create your tier 1 Article Directories like ezine, buzzle, whatever,

    They have seen every type of spun content out there, you have to put the effort into those,

    use UAW or whatever your drug of choice is to deal with the rest...
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  • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
    I do not recommend using any article spinning software since it mostly targets on synonyms and as said above, its accuracy isn't dependable at all. Alternatively, it'll just ruin the value of your original article as it just gets much redundant while the spinning continues. Practicing how to rewrite manually fast would be better then so you wouldn't have to produce a lot of original contents if you find it pretty tedious and true, outsourcing as well is one great alternative. I'd recommend www.odesk.com to find potential writers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Votoshka
      The real question is why are you spinning? I never spin to create content for my own sites, or for directories like EZA. However I DO spin to get backlinks! Obviously a well spun article will provide you a lot more backlinks faster than many well written articles all done by hand!

      However, I don't submit garbage spun articles. I am always very careful when spinning that the spun articles make sense to the reader!
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