Would you promote a scam if you can get a nice return?

14 years ago

absolutely not! Unfortunately I've been sucked in by scams in the past. It hurts your credibility, makes you look like you lack integrity, not to mention the people you suck in get hurt.

I have limits to what I will do for money.

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ptcveno

14 years ago

It depends really on what kind of a person are you. I believe would never do such a thing. Maybe thats why I haven't earned much yet

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kchui1028

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John McEachern

That's preposterous. Who do you expect to answer yes to this question, especially the way you phrased it?

lol you might be right on that. unfortunately, i do not know another way to phrase this question..

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Michael Oksa 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kchui1028

lol you might be right on that. unfortunately, i do not know another way to phrase this question..

Allow me to rephrase what you're asking:

Would you sell your soul to make a quick buck?

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- kchui1028 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Michael Oksa
  
  Allow me to rephrase what you're asking:
  
  Would you sell your soul to make a quick buck?
  
  ~Michael
  
  that's good.. too bad i can't change the title of the post. I really don't expect anyone to say YES, if someone did, i'd be surprised.
  
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  Jude.A 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by kchui1028
  
  that's good.. too bad i can't change the title of the post. I really don't expect anyone to say YES, if someone did, i'd be surprised.
  
  There are many ways to make money illegally or with dishonesty, but when you see someone joining this forum and spending his time rsearching and asking good questions on how to make money online, you should know that that person has chosen to do it the right and honest way.
  
  If you didn't expect someone to say yes it means you agree with me on what i said above.
  
  Why then, did you make this post?
  
  It's true the title of your post has attracted lots of views to it but posts like this can only do one thing to you: Dent Your Image or Integrity.
  
  Now a few people are beginning to suggest you made this post just to find some justifications for your actions, thinking perhaps You'd "promote a scam to get a nice return".
  
  This has catastrophe written all over it, what may have been an innocent post may turn out to be not so good an idea.
  
  I hope you see what I'm trying to say here, I've seen this happen before. I'm not judging you, i believe since you are a warrior you are an honest guy.
  
  Let other warriors learn from this.
  
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- l3vi501 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Michael Oksa
  
  Allow me to rephrase what you're asking:
  
  Would you sell your soul to make a quick buck?
  
  ~Michael
  
  Depends who I am selling it to, and if I can repackage it into a soul CDO and sell it more than once while retaining the authoritative version so my ranking stays in good standing with all mighty Google, then yes!
  
  Anyone want to buy a duplicate copy of my soul for a ever low price of one trillion dollars? If you are not happy with it time I reach the after life, I will give a full refund.
  
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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Um...why are you asking?

Remove the example of subprime home loans, it's irrelevant.

What you are really asking is if we would prmote anything that we think is a scam. If YOU think something is a scam, don't sell it.

Period.

Don't come here looking for someone else to justify doing something YOU feel is wrong.

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x3xsolxdierx3x

14 years ago

Honestly, I don't think people should be:

1) Promoting a Crappy product.

2) In order to know it's a crappy product, you should at least purchase it and test it first or get a review copy of it. Unfortunately, it's become the norm for many to promote products that people have never even used.

That view won't be very popular....but, I just personally have trouble promoting something that I have not used/tried/experienced myself....

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x

Honestly, I don't think people should be:

1) Promoting a Crappy product.

2) In order to know it's a crappy product, you should at least purchase it and test it first or get a review copy of it. Unfortunately, it's become the norm for many to promote products that people have never even used.

That view won't be very popular....but, I just personally have trouble promoting something that I have not used/tried/experienced myself....

I think it's the prevailing attitude amongst marketers. At least those that frequent the Warrior Forum.

On the other hand, I also believe that while most would agree this is the way it should be done, far too many don't actually do it.

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x3xsolxdierx3x 14 years ago

Reading some of these responses definitely gives me a warm and fuzzy about the 'type' of people that frequent WF....

(Not everyone is like THAT, but it's comforting to know that alot of the major contributors here feel that way)
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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Of course not. Do I make a business out of ripping people off? No
Do I like to see people scammed out of their hard-earned money? No
Is money more important than ethics? No

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Dennis Wagoner

14 years ago

Absolutely not.

I have to go to bed at night with a clear conscience.

Put yourself in the place of the consumer. If you would not appreciate the product or end result, chances are neither would they.

Money can buy things you think will make you happy, but no amount of money can clear a guilty conscience.

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kchui1028

Maybe scam is too strong a word here, let's say a crappy product, like Chinese bicycle

Promote a scam? No.

Promote something that seems like a scam? No.

Promote a "crappy" product? Well, that's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? It's more a matter of being honest about the product than whether or not to promote it. Let's say there's a product that's a poor quality bicycle. Maybe it's going to fall apart after a couple weeks of use. But, what if someone is going on a one-time trip for a weekend? They just need a bike that's going to hold up for a couple days and get them around the camp site. That poor quality bike might be just the thing for them especially if the price is right. So long as you're not misleading people about the qualities, abilities or capabilities of the product, what's the issue?

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Promote a scam? No.

Promote something that seems like a scam? No.

Promote a "crappy" product? Well, that's in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? It's more a matter of being honest about the product than whether or not to promote it. Let's say there's a product that's a poor quality bicycle. Maybe it's going to fall apart after a couple weeks of use. But, what if someone is going on a one-time trip for a weekend? They just need a bike that's going to hold up for a couple days and get them around the camp site. That poor quality bike might be just the thing for them especially if the price is right. So long as you're not misleading people about the qualities, abilities or capabilities of the product, what's the issue?

Hi Dan,

My name is Michael Oksa, and if I'm attaching my name to something, I want it to be high quality.

I understand your point, but it doesn't quite gibe with what kchui is asking. The question isn't whether or not you would be honest about promoting an inferior product or scam, it's whether you would PURPOSELY do so to make some money.

The answer to that, for me, is a solid no.

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kchui1028

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Hi Dan,

My name is Michael Oksa, and if I'm attaching my name to something, I want it to be high quality.

I understand your point, but it doesn't quite gibe with what kchui is asking. The question isn't whether or not you would be honest about promoting an inferior product or scam, it's whether you would PURPOSELY do so to make some money.

The answer to that, for me, is a solid no.

~Michael

lol there's a bit truth in this, no one would promote a product and listing it as "Good for 2 weeks only" or "No customer support for this product" and expect anyone to buy it.

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kchui1028

lol there's a bit truth in this, no one would promote a product and listing it as "Good for 2 weeks only" or "No customer support for this product" and expect anyone to buy it.

Aha! But it's still okay to say those things about a product if they are true. And that gets back to Dan's point. At least be honest about the shortcomings of something, then let the buyer decide if those shortcomings matter to them or not.

I wanted to add one more thing. I am not perfect.

While I try to make sure I only attach my name to good stuff, I have been suckered in the past. For example, there was a certain person here a few years ago that claimed to be an attorney. I believed her and did my best to help her mitigate the initial backlash she was facing. I did so because I thought she knew her stuff. However, as soon as I realized she WAS a scammer, I admitted my mistake openly and did my best to keep more people from getting scammed by her.

Like I said, I'm human. But admitting a big mistake--clearly and quickly--is about the best I could do.

Anyway, I just didn't want to sound like I was up on some kind of high horse.

Back to the initial question. If you KNOW it's a shoddy product or scam, and you DON'T tell people for the express purpose of trying to make a buck, then that's wrong.

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

I understand your point, but it doesn't quite gibe with what kchui is asking. The question isn't whether or not you would be honest about promoting an inferior product or scam, it's whether you would PURPOSELY do so to make some money.

Imagine I have a list of weekend campers.

Let's say I come across this cheap bike that I can promote. I get a high commission, but the product is pretty poor. If you're too rough with it, it's going to break down. It will wear out quickly. It won't last. If it rains, it's going to rust like there's no tomorrow, primarily because there will be no tomorrow for the bike.

Would I promote it to my list? Well, if I thought it provided a benefit to the list members. For example, if I knew people were looking for cheap bikes that they're just going to use for a couple days and toss them to the scrap yard, then this bike may be a good deal for them.

If I try to pass the bike as something it's not, then I can see where that would hurt my reputation. If I'm being straightforward about the quality of the bike, I don't see where that hurts me. Instead, I am providing a solution to their problem. They want a cheap bike to go around with for a couple days; I am referring them to one. They save money; I make money. It's a win-win.

Doesn't that count as purposely promoting it to make money?

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Imagine I have a list of weekend campers.

Let's say I come across this cheap bike that I can promote. I get a high commission, but the product is pretty poor. If you're too rough with it, it's going to break down. It will wear out quickly. It won't last. If it rains, it's going to rust like there's no tomorrow, primarily because there will be no tomorrow for the bike.

Would I promote it to my list? Well, if I thought it provided a benefit to the list members. For example, if I knew people were looking for cheap bikes that they're just going to use for a couple days and toss them to the scrap yard, then this bike may be a good deal for them.

If I try to pass the bike as something it's not, then I can see where that would hurt my reputation. If I'm being straightforward about the quality of the bike, I don't see where that hurts me. Instead, I am providing a solution to their problem. They want a cheap bike to go around with for a couple days; I am referring them to one. They save money; I make money. It's a win-win.

Doesn't that count as purposely promoting it to make money?

It is okay to promote it to make money. The key is full disclosure.

That's what I'm trying to say. Explain the product's shortcomings, then let them decide if they can live with those shortcomings; just like in your example.

My main point is that the OP was not asking that particular question.

Anyway, you can purposely promote anything, even high-risk-more-than-likely-to-fail investments, as long as you arm potential buyers with the necessary information.

I think the confusion here is that I'm answering two separate questions that are related to each other. I hope I'm making more sense now.

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shoeb000

14 years ago

I will never promote any scam no matter how much bigger is the revenue or profit..
even if i am suspecting it to be scam, i would not like to promote it..because i have been scammed before and i know its not a good feeling of getting scammed... i dont want others to suffer the same situation.

Instead, I will look for a good place to report those scams so that atleast few people who read the article can be saved from such scams.

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OfferJunkie

14 years ago

Wouldn't consider it for a second. Don't want to have to get all religious on you but....The Golden Rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by precious007

There's giants such as Coca - Cola that have been selling crap for decades, and yet no one to refund a single bottle.. so I guess if there's money to be made lets market it. :-)

You're confusing Coca-Cola with Pepsi Cola.

And I think there may have been some requests for refunds on Coke purchases in the spring and early summer of 1985.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by kchui1028

Quick Example, if you can help reselling sub-prime homeloans to unsuspecting public on the internet and get a great return, you know those loans are dogcrap and people who buy them won't get anything valuable in return, but you can't get hurt in any way. would you still promote them just to make a killing for the $$$?

Selling sub-prime homeloans as good paper! Nobody would ever do that! Oh wait...

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Vanquish 14 years ago

I couldn't do it personally, If my products do not deliver absolute customer satisfaction then I would feel guilty for selling them. I would rather make less money and sell something that makes people happy then make more money and sell something that makes people angry is not all that it is hyped up to be.
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thewealthywiseman

14 years ago

Years ago I was in the car business. I did it expressly to get real face to face selling experience. I have to tell you -- the professional sales training and negotiating skills I received, especially from Honda and The Joe Verde Group, has been priceless. I also discovered I love negotiating.
However, even though I worked my way into an award winning Honda store, there was an attitude of us (sales staff) against them (clients). I left the business mainly because I was starting to really dislike people (you work a lot of hours and burnout is very common) and the best way to really make money is to lie about everything in terms of price -- the cost of the car, the extended warranties, the trade-in value, the finance rate, etc.
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HeySal

14 years ago

If I would do anything for a buck I'd be working for a corporation right now.

But it's really scary what people WILL do for a quick buck. I saw an ad just today for a political/business writer. That person would be writing the articles as told to -- and the comment was "we understand you might be the type who feels that journalists should be committed to telling the truth - and if that is how you feel this job won't be right for you". Some statement that makes about what people have become, eh?

If they find an employee from that ad, and they probably will, I think that is a very frightening statement about the present condition of humanity. We can only hope it was a sociological study and not a real position.

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14 years ago

Of course not! But... I do need to add this... has anyone else been flooded with EX-guru emails promoting their "good friend" so-and-so whizbang new strategy? They might want to think seriously about your question.

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TiffanyB 14 years ago

No, I definitely believe that what goes around comes around. If I think it was a scam why would I want other people to get involved with it? No amount of money is worth having a gulity conscience and feeling like crap about what I am doing.
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Jon Tees

14 years ago

I wouldn’t knowingly promote a garbage product or program. Everything that I sell has either been used or reviewed by myself, or by a trusted friend or family member who will get back to me with their honest feedback. People trust me and I certainly wouldn’t want to violate that trust.

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Sparhawke

14 years ago

What people fail to understand is how much work it requires to be a scammer...

When you are honest people will start to send people to you naturally, when you are dishonest you have to keep hiding your identity and writing ever more articles and sites to keep one step ahead of the baying mob.

You are never free to be able to build up a reputation as you have to keep moving and this harms your earnings.

Be honest in this business, its easier.

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l3vi501

14 years ago

I think only a small percent would ever promote a scam knowingly, however people promoting products that do not work as advertised or is not of quality one expects is very common. This said, that is never my motto. I want to be the best so we build the best in my niche(s).

I was just reading another thread about someone's IM product that was more fluff or soul food and not a real program teaching anyone anything that would get them where they wanted to go. While it is not scam, it is a product that does not deliver what is expected but people still promote it all day long you know.

I think the problem is most never buy or do their due diligence, they like the affiliate payout, so they promote it in hopes to make a lot of money from it, while unwittingly selling a cr*p product. Like anything; everyone promoting it gets cot up in the hype themselves.

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kchui1028

14 years ago

Originally Posted by l3vi501

I think the problem is most never buy or do their due diligence, they like the affiliate payout, so they promote it in hopes to make a lot of money from it, while unwittingly selling a cr*p product. Like anything; everyone promoting it gets cot up in the hype themselves.

I can't say i disagree with what you said. How many people do you see on WF asking what's a great and reputable product i can sell to people?
Heck No.

They ask.."How can i make more money? More Money?? MORE MONEY????"
Sure I do believe no one would knowingly sell a scam/crap to others, but just exactly how many people really know what the heck they are selling to people.

Take healthcare affiliate for example, have you really taken those pills? Done University-level research? Taken survey? before you become an Affiliate for them or did you just see "HEY, $50 payout for one sale!" AWESOME, and paste the code on their site.
HMMMMMMMMMM..............

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Michael Oksa 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kchui1028

I can't say i disagree with what you said. How many people do you see on WF asking what's a great and reputable product i can sell to people?
Heck No.

Well, you haven't even been here a week, have an average of 25+ posts per day, but...

Your premise is false.

I HAVE seen people asking for good, reputable products to promote.

Please be careful that you don't paint all Warriors with the broad brush of greed; that's a mistake.

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inter123

14 years ago

lol....this thread is really funny.

Everybody says they would not promote a scam but from what I have seen on the net, some IM folk actively promote rubbish. Not all the products are rubbish as there is a lot of quality too.

You can purchase ebooks and the like, while some are quality, many are simply not up to scratch.

I guess the scammers decided to keep away from this thread!

At the end of the day, it might not be face to face, but ultimately its a sales world. And sales is all about putting the positivies of the product across and not talking about the negatives.

Even though some people might say 'I would not do x' but privately some are prepared to do anything.

My day time job is in sales, from what I have seen the most successful ones are the folk who would not let truth get in the way of a sale.

Personally I would not be happy to promote something if its going to have a serious implication to the customer. If its gonna mean the person is out of pocket by thousands they cannot afford or lose their home, etc etc then no, it would be highly uncomfortable.

If on the other hand, the visitor is going to part with $10, not a major amount of money for the person and they may get something out of the product, then yes.

I have been spending the last 3 months doing an Adsense website. The info on the site is real quality. But its not there for the visitor. Its there so google does not impose any sort of penalty. The site is plastered with ads, the idea is to get people to click the ads. The ads are ther highlight of the site, the info is dull and gray.

The idea is to make the site so boring to look at, the person will click the ads at the first opportunity. I guess I am running a scam of some sort trying to entice the visitor to click the ad which may not be useful to them at all. But regardless, google has paid me $0.40!

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kchui1028

14 years ago

Originally Posted by inter123

The idea is to make the site so boring to look at, the person will click the ads at the first opportunity. I guess I am running a scam of some sort trying to entice the visitor to click the ad which may not be useful to them at all. But regardless, google has paid me $0.40!

LMAO While i agree somewhat with what you have mentioned above, what makes you think people are not just gonna turn away from your site with a simple "X" rather than clicking your ads?

My experience is the more visitors you have on your site, the longer they stay, the more they navigate thru you site, the higher probability that they will click on your ads.

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Banned 14 years ago

Short answer yes, as long as it wouldn't hurt my reputation.

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scrofford 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Niche_Boy

Short answer yes, as long as it wouldn't hurt my reputation.

Well selling cr*p would hurt your reputation don't you think? If I bought something from you that was complete garbage and sent it back, don't you think I would tell others not to buy it?
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bestIMtools

14 years ago

This is why I stopped selling a product that made me $11,000 on every sale. My philosophy is, if I can't sell it to my grandmother and feel good about, I won't sell it. Period.

There's a LOT of great high-ticket, high-value, high-return products out there to deal with crappy ones that only get you chargebacks and trouble.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by bestIMtools

This is why I stopped selling a product that made me $11,000 on every sale. My philosophy is, if I can't sell it to my grandmother and feel good about, I won't sell it. Period.

There's a LOT of great high-ticket, high-value, high-return products out there to deal with crappy ones that only get you chargebacks and trouble.

very good rule of thumb...

why would you ever want to profit off of something that you personally would not feel comfortable buying?

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kchui1028 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jglover

very good rule of thumb...

why would you ever want to profit off of something that you personally would not feel comfortable buying?

Since there's already a lot of popular affiliate network out there, I don't think many people would feel the need to question/try any products they are selling.
Between the same kind of products, one pay 5, the other one pay 10, with the same conversion rate. I doubt any people would pick $5 over $10.. the amount could really add up when you are making 50 sales a day.. you'd basically be losing $250 a day by promoting a lower CPA product.
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Demond Jackson

14 years ago

I'm under the persuasion that it's just as easy to promote high quality products than that of a lesser quality product or service. And that's probably why the payout may be higher with the lesser quality product. They know that head to head they cannot compete so the entice great marketers with the promise of a higher commission.

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Charleskidd

14 years ago

I would promote it if I could change my name and target people I don't like. Making a quick buck is not good however if you can get away with it without destroying your reputation, then why not.

It depends oh who you are marketing it too also, I personally like helping out newbies and stuff because I know what it takes to go from nothing to something online. I would target people who are already making lots of money, they would be mad but they would get over it.

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kchui1028

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Charleskidd

It depends oh who you are marketing it too also, I personally like helping out newbies and stuff because I know what it takes to go from nothing to something online. I would target people who are already making lots of money, they would be mad but they would get over it.

I don't think you will be able to making a good long living on IM if you're trying to target every single individuals by choice. Once you start making a lot of sales, most of what you see are numbers and not people, you would automatically assume big sales = great products even if the truth is different otherwise.

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14 years ago

I doubt if most will, especially if it's really as "scam" as
it gets. You see, I know there are lots of bad folks in
the world but there are actually MORE good folks than
bad ones... that's why you slept safely last night
without getting strangled to death while you slept!

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michaelbnielsen

14 years ago

and risk my reputation ? NO, never.... Reputation, trust and integrity is all you have, even if you should loose the rest of your life.

But how to spot a scam or a less product? I know that I have purchased product that I would never promote, for the simple reason I would feel I made a fool of people.

Michael

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kchui1028 14 years ago

Originally Posted by michaelbnielsen

and risk my reputation ? NO, never.... Reputation, trust and integrity is all you have, even if you should loose the rest of your life.

Actually... (uh-oh).. Reputation, trust and integrity can be bought, regained and traded off in this world, but you only got one life

it's similar to asking would you risk losing your credit and gain a million dollars.. one that can be repaired, regained and heck, traded off.
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Underground SEO

14 years ago

I would never do that, no matter how much money you could make. It's completely morally wrong and if it was a crappy/scam product then chances are the amount of refunds you would get take would take a massive slice off your commissions.

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vijay08

14 years ago

Never will I involve in scam even if the return is more than a million $$$$. Because it will definitely come back to hunt you.

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stevecane

14 years ago

Nope, what's the point of selling garbage? I believe in personal karma and any rubbish that you sell will get you nothing but bad karma, it'll come back to you double...

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LasseKohau

14 years ago

I will never do that , not even think about it.

Dont let a "good deal" spoil your internet-possibilities in the future.

It will hit you back again.

Do good stuff, do good products, be honest. Treat your customers, like in the offline world and you will be rewarded.

BR LASSE

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sloanjim

14 years ago

No i **** well would not! Sadly many (here as well) would. I know people who say "well if they buy it it's their fault" Kind of like looking at psychopath. They look human, talk like a human but there's something missing and it makes them dangerous. Many big businesses are like this as well. If it makes a profit..screw them.

Quick Example, if you can help reselling sub-prime homeloans to unsuspecting public on the internet and get a great return, you know those loans are dogcrap and people who buy them won't get anything valuable in return, but you can't get hurt in any way. would you still promote them just to make a killing for the $$$?

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Osahon Urubusi

14 years ago

I think it depends on where you want to go in life. If you realise that every action you take will yield a significant multiple return of the same kind, you'll know what exactly to do.

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sloanjim

14 years ago

yeah i am thinking the same "do as I say not as I do"

lol....this thread is really funny.

Everybody says they would not promote a scam but from what I have seen on the net, some IM folk actively promote rubbish. Not all the products are rubbish as there is a lot of quality too.

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jwil

14 years ago

Compromising reputation and values is always a mistake. I'd recommend being as squeaky clean as you can in your product choice.

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Would you promote a scam if you can get a nice return?

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