One warrior taking revenge on another warrior...

It's the zenith of immaturity and actually does more harm to the person doing it than the WSO seller. People who do this kind of thing have myopic thinking. Even if the WSO was poorly conceived or even a total rip off, there are far more constructive ways to deal with this. I refer to my bumper sticker that says, "Karma is a bitch".

Peace out,

RoD

Another reason not to lose control of your product by using simple downloads and pdfs. If someone did this with my products I could turn off the lights

People are treacherous.

Continuity subscriptions or physical products.

Period.

(I think this is the second time I've posted this exact thing in the past 2 days)

I think I received the same email. Did you actually look at the attached product? The reason I ask is because I just deleted it without looking, thinking it might be the latest ruse to get someone to open a zip file with a virus in it.

It was sitting right under an email with a known virus attached, so my radar was already on.

The author of the WSO should start by getting the contact info of this person and have his lawyer send an immediate cease and desist letter. He should then find out exactly how many copies of the product he freely distributed and file suit against him. Damages can be very large, considering all of the different counts in which he can be sued, i.e. defamation, business interference, theft, copyright infringement, etc... not to mention attorney fees.

That is what I would do and have done. It worked out stunningly for me.

If you sell something to people and offer them any kind of refund or guarantee then it is your responsibility to keep in touch with your customers and be available to them. Yes Warrior B may have legal grounds to sue, but they brought this on themselves.

Why is this even a matter of debate?

It always amazes me that people find ways to justify theft. Which this is. No question.

All the best,
Michael

what goes around comes around... don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you

Joseph,

It looks to me that some people have a very long way to go growing up.

Unfortuenately, I see this type of thing often, but what really amazes me is that people like warrior "A, C, D +E" do not realize they are shooting themselves in the foot for now and for any future dealings with other people within the IM arena!

I was on this same email list and was equally disgusted. I was slightly peeved with Warrior B for having sent an email with everybody's address for the world to see, rather than bcc. However, when I got the email from Warrior A with the product attached, I was disgusted. I deleted the email and the attachment. If I want that product, I'll pay for it. Warrior D, and his/her company were added to my "don't do business with" list. I have no interest in hiring somebody who would market their services in such a low brow fashion.

well, why did warrior B not address warrior A's emails?

That would make me mad too.

I'm not saying it's the right thing to do.

I'm pointing out that no one seems to have an issue with the seller ignoring the buyer's emails.

i have this nice quote:
'every problems can be override with positive thinking and positive attitude'

make peace, not war

I read the thread that I'm glad that most people here understand the real issue, while some are still talking about "Why no reply from warrior B?"

It shows the maturity of these people...

edit: Also, all you guys defending Warrior B, you should probably stop unless you got the emails. You don't know the real situation, at all.

Joseph, if Warrior B was almost anybody else you would be right on here, but you're not.

I got the same emails. Here's the story. First of all, anybody who bought Warrior B's BS WSO (and it was BS, if you truly want to know I can tell you why by PM) got a new promotional email about the update to the product. Nothing wrong, right? Email marketing is completely fine. However, this guy is beyond unprofessional. How did he email us? Not with an autoresponder, but by sending the email to himself and then putting hundreds of emails in the "CC" line! Are you kidding me? He makes all this money and he can't even afford a professional autoresponder and now I get a few emails from that list because my email was out there for all to see so I am getting spammed by others who got the email?

Warrior B is not someone you want to defend. Period. Also, why did Warrior A send the email out with the product? Because Warrior B claims he was selling an update on the product. Not so, when Warrior A and others went to buy the product, it was exactly the same as the first product! Not updated it all! Looks like Warrior B just wanted to pull a fast one and make more money by selling the same product twice to people who already bought it. Pretty lame.

You should not be defending this guy, at all. He seems like a lowlife scammer. Warrior A and others are exposing him for the B***S*** he is, and remains. His WSO he advertised as one thing, even in the thread (at least the first in the Warrior for Hire thread before he put up a new one in the WSO section) his customers call him out for lying or being ignorant about a major flaw in his product, and he never admits his mistake, even repeatedly saying the customers are wrong when they were not.

Understand, normally, I would be right on with you about this. Not this time. Any other marketer and most likely you would be right. But sorry, not here. This guy is truly unprofessional and bordering on a scammer. If I give him the benefit of the doubt, I"ll just say he's extremely unprofessional and unknowledgeable about the flaws in his own product.

Hey where's mine?? LOL JK i don't need it anyway.

I agree it's not the most honorable act in the world..
Who knows what happened to Warrior B during that few days he didn't answer his messages. Maybe he's in an accident, out of the country, etc.

THUS, Lead to Another lesson from Tony Robbins

Warrior A focus on the negative.. he didn't get his replies, he thought to himself he got screwd by another warrior.

Whatever you focus on in life, you're gonna get what you asked for.
Even with 1000 WSO, Warrior A will not succeed in life.

Yes, I do understand. Thanks for the condescending tone. My post was not meant to be personal.

I am not defending what Warrior A did. Basically, seems like all he did was give the product to all the people who already have it, understand? Everyone who got that email already bought the product, I assume, Warrior B was sending it to old customers and Warrior A's point was that there was no new product so he sent the supposed "updated" product to everyone so they could see it wasn't new.

I also do not defend the guys now spamming me because they got my email from Warrior B's classless, unprofessional attempt at emailing customers. Would you want to buy from someone who runs their business like that?

Warrior B is not someone to defend. It's funny because I was going to start a thread about this same issue, but about Warrior B's laughable attempt at email marketing and to use such a wretched example of business practice to remind others how to do it the RIGHT way.

So people, back down off your high horses for this one. Warrior A wrong. Yes, perhaps (but lets remember, all he's doing is showing all who bought the first product that the updated product we are supposed to buy is identical to the first! What's wrong with that!? So, he's giving away a product to all on the list the same product they've already bought. Not that I would go to those measures, but it's understandable). But this never would have happened had Warrior B been an upstanding, professional marketer. Which he clearly isn't. His WSO is BS, his lies in his WSO thread are BS (again, benefit of the doubt, not "lies" but unprofessional ignorance) his attempts at email marketing and selling the same product twice are both BS.

Everyone get it, now?

Got your point. Even with the full picture, I think it's still wrong for warrior A. The action is still very childish.

Of course, warrior B shouldn't just do such a thing as mentioned by you. But then we have not heard from him and people should give him a chance to explain. It's his business practice, it's his product, it's his presentation.

Even if he's the scammer, that doesn't give warrior A the right to distribute the product to the intended list or not.

This thread may turn to more discussion but I think that the key here for the warriors to learn is:

1) Sell your products/services with integrity
2) Revenge and names callings (in email or forum) is not the way out

You are right. Revenge is not cool or admirable. However, I think it's understandable in this case.

Again, here's how I understand it. Everyone on that list is a customer for the first product. Everyone has already bought it. He sends out a promotional email for us as customers to buy an "updated" version of the product. Warrior A, in your example, buys this and realizes it's exactly the same product so it looks like Warrior B is not only completely ignorant about professional email marketing but a scammer just trying to get us all to buy the same product twice. He is trying to warn everyone who got the promo email (wouldn't have even been possible had Warrior B merely used an autoresponder or even "BCC"! unbelievable!) that the product is identical and attaches it to the email so all who have the original product can see that the one he bought is exactly the same as the first. So, nobody here is getting the product who doesn't already have it. Hope my words are clear to any reading this.

Normally, I'd say you are right on with your first post. In my opinion, though, here, Warrior B is the true unprofessional lowlife.

Hmmmmm
I am not sure who a or b or c d or e are but.......
B should refund dissatisfied customers and possibly sue a for pre launch costs etc...
A should be banned from warrior forum
c d and e probably just respond to the all powerful FREE word but i have no idea of details as some of u do.

Since you know about this, have you alerted the mods here?

Not sure what can be done, but at least one of them deserves an IP ban.

Anyone else think it's just a little weird that all the warriors involved just happened to choose pennames that are pretty close to the same?

ie. "Warrior A", "Warrior B", "Warrior C", "Warrior D", "Warrior E"

come on now,

what are the odds of that happening?

It is pretty sad to know that people will do this type of thing. But even sadder that they are Warriors, or is that they are members of The Warrior Forum. They aren't really Warriors, or they wouldn't do that.

But, what are you gonna do? Just part of life for an internet marketer I guess. You are always going to havef to deal with scum bags.

Have you let the person who's product was stolen know about it?

I'd want to know if it was me, and I'd take legal action.

Someone above me said the best. "warrior A should be reported and banned".

I would also add that no matter how you try and spin this back on Warrior B, theft is theft. If enough people did something about these immature knuckleheads, there'd be a lot less theft to deal with IMO. E. Brian Rose is absolutely right, courts don't look at it as any sort of lost customer issue, they look at the theft of property and deal with it based on that. Warrior B should be taking aggressive legal action and pursue a criminal charge.

Also worth noting to those who insist that bad customer support somehow justifies this, how does anyone know why there was no response from Warrior B? Perhaps he lost his legs in a car accident or had another of lifes many inadvertent tragedies to deal with. Worst case scenario Warrior B is a knob and just decided to avoid the emails, it wouldn't give me the right to break into his house and steal his puppy, yes? There were many more productive and less juvenile ways to deal with bad customer service, none of which involve breaking the law.

How do you have access to know to how many people the offer was sent to?

And how do you know about warrior C, D, and E 's actions, this sounds kind of "hackery" to me

Only a hacker could have access to such information