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WSO Titles: Can We Draw a Line?

by GuruGazette
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Suggestion/Request for the WSO forum: Can we please draw a line on the titles? I just dropped in there a minute ago and was hit with stuff like this:

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and it immediately turned me off and made me click away. It also made me really glad I don't have a WSO running anywhere near that crap right now.
#draw #line #titles #wso
  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    If my vote matters in the least... then I vote the same as Kathy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I do draw the line - I don't purchase from anyone using those tactics.

      I don't even read their WSO sales page and doubt I've missed anything of much importance.

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      • Profile picture of the author XFactor
        Who cares?

        Just ignore those offers then (just a thought).

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      • Profile picture of the author XFactor
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I do draw the line - I don't purchase from anyone using those tactics.

        I don't even read their WSO sales page and doubt I've missed anything of much importance.

        kay
        Oh no, a marketer trying to draw attention to their ad - Shame on them!

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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

          Oh no, a marketer trying to draw attention to their ad - Shame on them!

          - John
          Yup, while we are at it can we also eliminate using uppercase letters every other word...and dashes as well. Those are kind of annoying.
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          • Profile picture of the author XFactor
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            Yup, while we are at it can we also eliminate using uppercase letters every other word...and dashes as well. Those are kind of annoying.
            Screw that, I'm tired of seeing offers, period.

            The entire WSO section should get wiped out.

            Just a bunch of people trying to sell stuff!

            - John
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          • Profile picture of the author Jack Duncan
            Does anyone remember the early days of eBay?

            Practically everybody was using:

            L@@K

            UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            MUST SEE!!!!!

            W@W!


            I remember when I first became a powerseller back then...and was shocked that so many business' were using this stuff (and wasting the keyword space) to try and promote their listings.

            Something like:

            1GB Sony Memory Stick Brand New In Box

            really starts to stand out when everybody else is using:

            XXXXXX WOW XXXXXX !!!!! MUST SEE!!! Sony MS


            Position yourself against the crowd and reap the profits!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Xfactor, you've posted to this thread 4 times?
    Take it easy man. Kathy simply voiced her opinion... once. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      Xfactor, you've posted to this thread 4 times?
      Take it easy man. Kathy simply voiced her opinion... once. :rolleyes:
      I'm as easy as they come...
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      • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
        I can see how some would find the various symbols annoying.

        But this is a marketing forum, and marketers are testing out their headlines...so I can see it going both ways.

        That said, I haven't tried any of the crazy stuff myself...but I am tempted. Those headlines definitely stand out on the page, that's for sure.

        That's what this thread is about after all, we aren't talking about someone using the capital letter "A".
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        • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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          Originally Posted by Josh Kulp View Post

          But this is a marketing forum, and marketers are testing out their headlines...
          I can't think why.
          They can't use that sort of junk anywhere else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    If Allen does not like it it matters. If Allen does not like it it does not matter.

    That one was a little over the top... but I find it less annoying than threads complaining.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      If Allen does not like it it matters. If Allen does not like it it does not matter.
      Precisely. If there is something here I don't care for, I just ignore it - and I'm sure others do the same. For every person that dislikes a particular tactic there is another who thinks it's a great idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author sylviad
    Originally Posted by GuruGazette View Post

    Suggestion/Request for the WSO forum: Can we please draw a line on the titles? I just dropped in there a minute ago and was hit with stuff like this:

    ■░▒▒▓▓██

    and it immediately turned me off and made me click away. It also made me really glad I don't have a WSO running anywhere near that crap right now.
    You saw 1-2 WSOs with a ridiculous graphic in the title and you're upset? Cripes. Talk about low tolerance. I'd be more upset at the size of font the guy used within the ad itself... so huge it pushes your eyeballs into the back of your skull... and the page right off the screen.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kristi Lane
    IMO they look like the digital equivalent of one of those big gorillas businesses used to put on their roof to attract attention. Neither inspires my trust or confidence in the business.

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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    Kay, finally i have something to say thanks to you.. :-) .. i agree wholeheartedly

    WSO is a marketplace, and like any other place, people will try anything to attract people to their ads..

    Now, the guy must be trying out his WSOcampaign, and could honestly be just testing..

    Wouldnt it be nicer to just prompt the guy in PM (i have done this before succesfully several times) then call his product CRAP for no other reason?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
      Originally Posted by asianlunatic View Post

      ... then call his product CRAP for no other reason?
      LOL. She didn't call his product crap. Re-read what she wrote.
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      • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
        Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

        LOL. She didn't call his product crap. Re-read what she wrote.
        oh well, she meant the add.. sorry ..

        alrite, i guess its time for bed
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Okay, I just took a look at the WSO in question.

          Here is my honest reaction to it.

          It looked like a full blown over the top sales letter. Maybe more full blown
          than anything I've ever seen, but then again, I don't spend all day looking at
          sales letters.

          Personally, it's not my cup of tea. For one thing, there is no way I'd ever
          take the time to go through all of that. I don't have the patience. But I've
          seen some sales pages that are just as long, if not longer. And from what
          the top copywriters tell me, long copy and hype sell.

          Here's the bottom line for me:

          It's not for me and I'd never purchase from something so hyped up.

          Having said that, if the person isn't lying, is delivering a quality product,
          and honors any refunds, if he gets requests for them, then I see nothing
          wrong with what he is doing. If it converts for him AND he's delivering a
          real product, then ethically, I don't see the problem.

          There will be some who will like this kind of advertising and there will be
          some who don't. But until the powers that be decide that this type of
          promotion isn't allowed, I don't see where this person has done anything
          wrong.

          If you don't like his methods, don't buy. It's really that simple.

          Having said all of that, why do marketers complain about the way other
          people market.

          I'm more concerned about somebody telling me that his product will do
          XYZ and doesn't do it.

          In other words, a sales page that simply said this...

          My Product Will Earn You $100 A Day Guaranteed

          Click Here To Purchase

          and didn't do what it said it would do is worse than any hyped up sales
          page that DOES at least deliver a product with some value.

          That's just this simple marketer's take on this whole thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    I can see why people might not like the weird items in the title, but bottom line...IT GETS MORE VIEWS.

    I have an offer available right now using the same thing almost. I started the offer without and then added them in and the difference has been enough that it does not bother me if a couple people think it is an eye sore.

    That does not mean that I don't believe that people are not entitled to have their own opinions about a matter, it just means that as long as it is ethical, I want as many eyes on my offer as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    LOL. So Steven, what's your take on what the OP was talking about?
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      LOL. So Steven, what's your take on what the OP was talking about?
      The headline IS part of the whole sales letter and is included in my feelings.

      To me, it's annoying and cheesy looking. But that's just me.

      Some might like it.

      Point is, what's the big deal?

      It's marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Steven,

        Because it is taking attention away from other WSOs. I have one in there now that you can't even hardly see.

        If you are scanning the WSO section, which a lot of people do...you will go right by mine without even seeing it.

        It's a bunch of BS.

        What does ◄◄◄◄ have to do with anything? That's not a title.

        What if these characters started plaguing the main forum?

        For those of us who are marketing with integrity, I'm sure you understand why we want to see it disappear.

        I used asterisks and <> before, just to get my WSO seen with all the rest of them! And they didn't make a damn bit of difference in page views or conversions.

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

          Steven,

          Because it is taking attention away from other WSOs. I have one in there now that you can't even hardly see.

          If you are scanning the WSO section, which a lot of people do...you will go right by mine without even seeing it.

          It's a bunch of BS.

          What does ◄◄◄◄ have to do with anything? That's not a title.

          What if these characters started plaguing the main forum?

          For those of us who are marketing with integrity, I'm sure you understand why we want to see it disappear.

          I used asterisks and <> before, just to get my WSO seen with all the rest of them! And they didn't make a damn bit of difference in page views or conversions.

          AL
          This actually brings up what could be a fascinating conversation. I wish
          Paul Myers was here because he would, I am sure, shed some interesting
          thoughts on this.

          Here's how I see it.

          You call this marketing "without" integrity. Well, some might say that any
          IM related product that tells how you can make all this money is
          marketing without integrity.

          And as far as "drawing attention to your WSO" and away from the other
          WSOs, well, I think they call that marketing. Now, if Allen Says feels that
          these symbols or whatever are no acceptable for WSO titles, then he'll
          ban them. And those that still use them will have their WSOs deleted.

          In order for that to happen though, it needs to be brought to his attention
          personally through a PM, and not through this forum as these are the kinds
          of rants that he has, quite often, said he didn't want to see here.

          Make a formal complaint and see what he says.

          Personally, I'd never buy from somebody who goes to over the top like
          that. But others may. If the marketer is NOT breaking any rules and is not
          cheating his prospects and customers, then it is up to us, as marketers
          competing with him, to adapt, unless again, Allen Says bans these type of
          titles.
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          • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
            If I were in a bad mood I would say:

            OK, well I'm off to the website with the biggest database of key code characters I can find. I suggest all WSO posters do the same.

            If one person can do it, then we all can. That will at least erase any advantage they have of getting their stuff seen over ours, which we know is the only reason they do it.

            Let's completely fill up the forum with a bunch of characters. Let's overload it with crap characters so nobody will even go there anymore.

            At least then my $20 will be worth the same as theirs!

            But I'm in a good mood, so I won't say that.

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

              If I were in a bad mood I would say:

              OK, well I'm off to the website with the biggest database of key code characters I can find. I suggest all WSO posters do the same.

              If one person can do it, then we all can. That will at least erase any advantage they have of getting their stuff seen over ours, which we know is the only reason they do it.

              Let's completely fill up the forum with a bunch of characters. Let's overload it with crap characters so nobody will even go there anymore.

              At least then my $20 will be worth the same as theirs!

              But I'm in a good mood, so I won't say that.

              AL

              And then the person with the normal ad will stand out.
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            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            ...Now, if Allen Says feels that
            these symbols or whatever are no acceptable for WSO titles, then he'll
            ban them. And those that still use them will have their WSOs deleted.

            In order for that to happen though, it needs to be brought to his attention
            personally through a PM, and not through this forum as these are the kinds of rants that he has, quite often, said he didn't want to see here...
            Well, you see, Steven. People start threads like this and the rest of us encourage it by adding our comments. If the Warriors simply ignored such threads, they'd quickly disappear. But unfortunately, some Warriors feel the need to respond, and so the problem manifests... potentially jeopardizing the WSO section (as has been repeatedly stated in other threads like this). Sorry to say, I am one of those Warriors, but I'm never the first one to add my comments. It's time we used our own common sense and began ignoring this type of thread.

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by sylviad View Post

              Well, you see, Steven. People start threads like this and the rest of us encourage it by adding our comments. If the Warriors simply ignored such threads, they'd quickly disappear. But unfortunately, some Warriors feel the need to respond, and so the problem manifests... potentially jeopardizing the WSO section (as has been repeatedly stated in other threads like this). Sorry to say, I am one of those Warriors, but I'm never the first one to add my comments. It's time we used our own common sense and began ignoring this type of thread.

              Sylvia
              For what it's worth. I just went over to the WSO forum and the place
              looks like a carnival. I'm expecting to see fireworks pop out of some of
              these ads.

              But hey, it ain't my place. If the boss says this glitz is okay, it's okay.

              And as far as the WSO in question, take a look at one of the videos and
              examine it real closely. It's a real eye opener.
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              • Profile picture of the author XFactor
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                For what it's worth. I just went over to the WSO forum and the place
                looks like a carnival. I'm expecting to see fireworks pop out of some of
                these ads.

                But hey, it ain't my place. If the boss says this glitz is okay, it's okay.

                And as far as the WSO in question, take a look at one of the videos and
                examine it real closely. It's a real eye opener.
                C'mon Steve, a carnival? Please... you bash these WSOs that are doing what
                they know, yet live almost your entire earnings from forums alone.

                I don't mean to be confrontational, but I for one am getting tired of reading
                your input.

                Especially when every one of your courses preach "build a real business" yet
                all you do (and preach to do) is to build "someone else's business" by posting articles
                to their sites (does ezinearticles ring a bell?)

                Yeah, I'm calling you out.

                - John
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                • Profile picture of the author zerofill
                  Frankly until one of 2 things happen...I could care less who likes it or doesn't...

                  1) Rules change and we are not allowed.

                  2) Someone pays the WSO fee for us.

                  Until then....oh well...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
                    zerofill,

                    I'll pay for all your WSOs from now on! Please can i? I'll even give you a 12 pack of PIAB!! LOL

                    AL
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

                      zerofill,

                      I'll pay for all your WSOs from now on! Please can i? I'll even give you a 12 pack of PIAB!! LOL

                      AL
                      lmao

                      Speaking of that - when does that project start?
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                      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

                      zerofill,

                      I'll pay for all your WSOs from now on! Please can i? I'll even give you a 12 pack of PIAB!! LOL

                      AL
                      LOL

                      PIAB needs to be a WSO!! haha
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                  • Profile picture of the author ShayB
                    I really don't see what the big deal is. :confused:

                    I am not trying to be a beehive kicker, but isn't the idea of marketing to make your ad stand out? :confused:

                    I don't see issues with the headlines. Maybe I am missing something. If there were obnoxious flashing symbols or something of that nature, maybe, but all I see are symbols in the same color as the rest of the headline.:confused:
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

                  C'mon Steve, a carnival? Please... you bash these WSOs that are doing what
                  they know, yet live almost your entire earnings from forums alone.

                  I don't mean to be confrontational, but I for one am getting tired of reading
                  your input.

                  Especially when every one of your courses preach "build a real business" yet
                  all you do (and preach to do) is to build "someone else's business" by posting articles
                  to their sites (does ezinearticles ring a bell?)

                  Yeah, I'm calling you out.

                  - John
                  John look, I saw the forum, I saw the titles, I saw the graphics and it
                  looks like a carnival to me. What do you want me to say? What that has
                  to do with my telling people to build a real business and how I choose to
                  run MY business is irrelevant.

                  And if you read what I said, I didn't go on record as saying that I believe
                  that these titles should be taken down. What I said was, if the members
                  have a problem with them, they should report it to Allen Says and let him
                  decide.

                  Now, if you want to call me out and pick a fight with me (seems to be the
                  popular thing today) please understand that I won't just stand here and
                  allow you to punch me in the face.

                  So we can end this now or you can continue.

                  It's your call.
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    Originally Posted by GuruGazette View Post

    Suggestion/Request for the WSO forum: Can we please draw a line on the titles? I just dropped in there a minute ago and was hit with stuff like this:

    ■░▒▒▓▓██

    and it immediately turned me off and made me click away. It also made me really glad I don't have a WSO running anywhere near that crap right now.
    Haha...

    It's just an attention-getting tactic.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardDean
    Well I pass crap like that but did not look until Steve said something so had to look... Wow toooooooooo long for me to read.

    Reading the post someone added to it, looks like it is not free at all, so if your title has free in it it better be free.

    I can stand that better than some of the hyped titles, like Steve said

    You say you can make 9997 per month and going to tell me how you better be doing it yourself or don't try and sell the crap.

    I see some hyped up crap titles I don't click

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I should have said, "For those of us who are marketing Integrity..." instead of, "marketing with integrity."

    Sorry
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Hah that thing in the OP post...was something I did...And it is in a WSO Jeremy and I have running...the other guy copied it...

      I just call it smart...

      (I checked the rules before I did it by the way)

      Since there were no rules about it...that pretty much says it all...
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  • Profile picture of the author XFactor
    This thread is BS, really.

    Someone doesn't like seeing "symbols" in a WSO headline.

    Tough cookies - they paid, and you should ignore them if you don't
    like to see it.

    That being said, why is there always such a frenzy of bitchiness about
    marketers...... from...... marketers...... ??????????

    I'm still trying to figure that one out

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Dang John...you're being a meany-head.

    I disagree with Jeremy and zerofill (and you) on this issue, but we're not biting parts of each other's bodies off.

    <Sting> Message in a booootle (Anybody know the key code for music notes?)

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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Dang John...you're being a meany-head.

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      Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhh...."meany-head."

      I like that! I'll have to remember that one.
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Dang John...you're being a meany-head.

      I disagree with Jeremy and zerofill, but we're not biting parts of each other's bodies off.

      <Sting> Message in a booootle

      AL
      Ha, Well, have you ever just kept reading, and reading, and reading, and thought "OK,
      Somone's GOTTA say SOMETHING", lol.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Dang John...you're being a meany-head.

      I disagree with Jeremy and zerofill (and you) on this issue, but we're not biting parts of each other's bodies off.

      <Sting> Message in a booootle (Anybody know the key code for music notes?)

      AL
      Well, the hell with you then! Your Devil Rays still suck!

      Seriously, I understand why some people don't like it. However, I don't like a lot of sales pages I go to or the 177 different colors that some people use in their sales copy, but what their strategy is their strategy....
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        Don't try and copy that...you see the TM symbol?...muhahaha

        Anyway...I conform to the rules...so if a rule is put into effect...we will follow it. If I wasted my time making posts about stuff I hated...I wouldn't get anything done LOL...
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      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Dang John...you're being a meany-head.

      I disagree with Jeremy and zerofill (and you) on this issue, but we're not biting parts of each other's bodies off.

      <Sting> Message in a booootle (Anybody know the key code for music notes?)

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    They DO get my attention - but I don't even bother reading th title that follows
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  • Profile picture of the author James Schramko
    I am running a WSO right now and I am not concerned about the over-the-top graphics some people are using. The forum must permit it so they are working within the current limits.

    Sales will come down to each individual offer - In fact it could be helping mine because sales are beserk!
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
      I'm sorry...but what happened to letting free market enterprise decide what's good, bad, or ugly...in terms of a WSO's worth or lack thereof?

      Cuz I trust free market enterprise.... more then individual rants, raves, and various other opinions.

      Truth is, the cream rises to the top...whether it's a WSO...or the game of life. That's just the way it is.

      The chick in the bikini title might get more views....but so what?

      Why is that unfair to the rest of us?

      Since when did a unique headline...become an unfair advantage????????? And why would people think that? Why would some of you'se people even care??????

      How does this so-called title prove lack of integrity? And why would it make someone not want to buy someone else's WSO? Doesn't make sense to me.

      Maybe it's proof of their ingenuity.....as they figured out a way to seperate their WSO from a mass of others with "respectable titles."??? Maybe an ad with "the chick in the bikini" is a good thing. Maybe not.

      But why bitch and whine about it? Let the market run its course.

      I have no clue about this person's WSO. I don't care....enough to have an opinion either way.

      If I like it...like the offer...the promoter...I'll buy. If I don't...I won't.

      But I wont give it a second thought or lose a second of sleep over it either.

      Cuz I decided long ago.....it's best to worry about Vegas Vince...and less about the The Jones Family. Capiche.

      More of you'se people should take that advice....and worry about your own lives...and less about mine or the neighbors or some WSO with a title that you'se don't like. Cuz the only one who truly cares about you the most...is you'se. Truth. You know it...too.

      Free market is a wonderful thing, Warriors. It's honest. And I'm not interested in tweaking, twisting, or otherwise screwing with it.

      I continue to fail to understand why so much time is devoted to what others are doing. That's reactive...not proactive. And it's not productive either. The time could be better spent sellin' something of YOUR OWN.

      A product or a service you stand behind. That's integrity.


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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ellis
    This has been an amazing day of insults... makes me wish Allen would implement a "kick in the n*ts" icon/count under each user post. That way we could take our frustrations out on that without having to take over the entire thread with off-topic stuff.

    That way we could say "Hey, that was really an off-topic post, but he was already kicked in the n*ts 25 times for it". See how that already makes you feel better?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      This has been an amazing day of insults... makes me wish Allen would implement a "kick in the n*ts" icon/count under each user post. That way we could take our frustrations out on that without having to take over the entire thread with off-topic stuff.
      lol

      I think that kind of icon would be abused...haha

      Some people would have it pushed on them so often that they would not be able to walk regular in the "real world"
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Michael Ellis View Post

      This has been an amazing day of insults... makes me wish Allen would implement a "kick in the n*ts" icon/count under each user post. That way we could take our frustrations out on that without having to take over the entire thread with off-topic stuff.

      That way we could say "Hey, that was really an off-topic post, but he was already kicked in the n*ts 25 times for it". See how that already makes you feel better?
      My nuts would be WAY sore then, lol.

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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      I gotta admit they are kinda annoying, but Allen is the boss and if he feels its in the best interests of the forum to stop "symbols" like that, then he will lay the law.

      Other than that, lets move on
      Too late to move on, you just posted to keep the thread going.

      Can I say "Duuuhh"



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  • Profile picture of the author impact-productions
    I'm sure that somebody will split test this.

    But, another issue is that I very rarely check the Special Offer forum index (just too time constraining and the continual bumping is annoying). Instead I use the WSO2Email mailing list and look for anything which looks enticing. The special characters don't show in that view.

    I imagine that many others do likewise.

    So, that special characters might not have the overall effect that the sellers believe that they are having.

    My great annoyance, in fact, is the number of marketers who find a way to modify their offer so that it shows up multiple times via WSO2Email (I've never worked out exactly what the criteria is, but presumably it's based on the RSS feed, and might include such factors as small edits to the title). This can mean that you get variants of the same offer multiple times in succession.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuruGazette
    Wow how's that for starting a controversial topic?

    This thing exploded so I haven't read all the comment yet, but I do want to set the record straight on a couple of things:

    1. I have no idea who's WSO I used as an example, I just grabbed a piece of a title to show an example of what I was talking about.

    2. I have no idea what was being offered in the WSO, I didn't bother looking because I immediately clicked away.

    I was not speaking about any one specific offer, product, or person. Just the way the forum itself looked when I landed in it.

    I personally have an immediate gut reaction to seeing a lot of strange characters on my screen: OH SHIT!

    Why? Because that's the kind of stuff you see when you've been hit with a virus, rogue script, or your computer just hosed for whatever reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    此線是最有趣的永遠!
    真的我喜歡它!
    這是太棒了!
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Guru G Again,

    Ultimately it's up to Allen.

    Personally your foul language is much more offensive to many than a funny symbol in the headline.

    I realize to some here your language is perfectly acceptable and not foul at all and I know others here who refuse to talk like that in a public forum.

    The point? If we all got our pet peeves enforced there would be no forum.

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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      Guru G Again,

      Ultimately it's up to Allen.

      Personally your foul language is much more offensive to many than a funny symbol in the headline.

      I realize to some here your language is perfectly acceptable and not foul at all and I know others here who refuse to talk like that in a public forum.

      The point? If we all got our pet peeves enforced there would be no forum.

      George Wright
      What foul language? Please quote.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        LOL Sorry, I made the mistake of joining in here. Like I said to many if not even most the "foul" language is not "foul" at all.

        I won't quote it.

        I just got a little disturbed and vented a bit because threads like this are what will get the WSO forum totally removed.

        I won't delete my above reaction although I wish I didn't even get involved here. Whether or not the language is foul is in the eye of the beholder and I'm not the judge here.

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        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        What foul language? Please quote.
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        • Profile picture of the author XFactor
          Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

          LOL Sorry, I made the mistake of joining in here. Like I said to many if not even most the "foul" language is not "foul" at all.

          I won't quote it.

          I just got a little disturbed and vented a bit because threads like this are what will get the WSO forum totally removed.

          I won't delete my above reaction although I wish I didn't even get involved here. Whether or not the language is foul is in the eye of the beholder and I'm not the judge here.

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          Too late, your involved.... TWICE
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            Uh Uh, Thrice
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          • Profile picture of the author XFactor
            Human nature is a funny thing to watch...

            "This thread is wrong, so I'll just post"

            "Poor headline, nobody should get into it, so I'll just post"

            "I wish this thread would go away, so I'll just post"

            "We should move one, so I'll just post"

            ...
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            • Profile picture of the author George Wright
              xfactor,

              I'm out of thank yous for today, or I'd give you one. You are 100% correct. Although I'm Wright

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  • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
    Yeah, who are you talking about George?

    PS: xfactor, your post shows up as question marks to me. What language was it?
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    • Profile picture of the author XFactor
      Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

      Yeah, who are you talking about George?

      PS: xfactor, your post shows up as question marks to me. What language was it?
      Yours......
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      • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
        Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

        Yours......
        I used traditional Chinese. Didn't it show up that way? Still don't know what yours was.
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        • Profile picture of the author XFactor
          Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

          I used traditional Chinese. Didn't it show up that way? Still don't know what yours was.
          Mine? Pure BS, only the best!
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        • Profile picture of the author sylviad
          Originally Posted by John Rowe View Post

          I used traditional Chinese. Didn't it show up that way? Still don't know what yours was.
          Not sure if you're just playing dumb, John, but Xfactor is just poking fun. Yours show as chinese symbols, his are ?s - I assume because he doesn't have a fancy font like you do to speak in a foreign language.

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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by GuruGazette View Post

    Suggestion/Request for the WSO forum: Can we please draw a line on the titles? I just dropped in there a minute ago and was hit with stuff like this:

    ■░▒▒▓▓██

    and it immediately turned me off and made me click away.
    Sounds to me like you solved the problem all on your own, no new rules necessary. Wow, whouda thunk such a thing was possible?
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    I wish Allen would just close the WSO section. Not permanently but a few weeks to a month but not tell anyone how long it will be.

    If he did, the main forum wouldnt be cluttered w/ WSO bitch/complaint/suggestion threads.

    It would also be interesting to see who stays and who gos.

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  • Profile picture of the author deu12000
    Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

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    Because it is taking attention away from other WSOs. I have one in there now that you can't even hardly see.

    If you are scanning the WSO section, which a lot of people do...you will go right by mine without even seeing it.

    It's a bunch of BS.

    What does ◄◄◄◄ have to do with anything? That's not a title.

    What if these characters started plaguing the main forum?

    For those of us who are marketing with integrity, I'm sure you understand why we want to see it disappear.

    I used asterisks and <> before, just to get my WSO seen with all the rest of them! And they didn't make a damn bit of difference in page views or conversions....
    Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? You're using asterisks and <> and see that as being different as using ◄◄◄◄? It's the same exact thing. They are all techniques to make people see your WSO stick out.

    Personally I could care less about symbols, if you get me with a good title you'll get me to view your WSO. Symbols mean nothing, but weird symbols like that guy used are what you call innovation and thinking outside the box.     ░▒▒▓▓██ That's one of the best ways of making money, by innovating and thinking outside the box.
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    Let the market factors work...when we see those, no one click on the WSO and they will stop using those stupid tactics. Otherwise, its like Nancy Grace, the more we talk about it, the more traffic they get.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricky Parker
    There sure are a lot of people here that like to bitch. Shut up.

    This is a marketing forum. And the headline stuff got your attention.

    To the all the whiners.

    Guess what??????? It worked!
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    That's couldn't care less as in I could NOT care less about this. Now, on to my main point. I would like to point out that this thread actually has brought more views to those WSO posts, so is actually at cross purposes with itself. I am glad that my post has also compounded the problem How do I get a smiley into my WSO thread title?

    TomG.

    OOHHHH!!! Darn it, I wasted my 1,000 post on this crap (did I say crap?). I guess I have to wait until 1,500 to give something free away. Oh wait, I already did that...
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      I like it when these people are easily identifiable.

      Therefore, I vote against taking away their ability to shoot themselves in the foot. Because without the limp, they'll blend in with the rest of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
      Originally Posted by tommygadget View Post

      That's couldn't care less as in I could NOT care less about this.
      Thank you!!!! You're my hero. 99/100 people say "I could care less" and hardly anyone knows it's "I could not care less". Always been a huge pet peeve. Finally, somebody who knows the right way to say it!! I thought I'd never meet anyone who knew the right way to say it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Josh,
        But this is a marketing forum, and marketers are testing out their headlines...so I can see it going both ways.
        That said, I haven't tried any of the crazy stuff myself...but I am tempted. Those headlines definitely stand out on the page, that's for sure.
        Hmmm. You must have just decided to try it out. Screaming symbols and all caps.

        Screw 'em. Let 'em do it. I won't bother going there much myself, since it makes the entire section harder to follow. But that's just me.

        Happens every time someone discovers you can use those characters. A few people do it, and others decide they have to scream louder than the first folks. Pretty quick it's an annoying jumble of shouting sellers, each trying to outdo the others, with more odd characters and more outrageous claims.

        When folks find out it works, more people do it and it gets less effective. When it quits working as well, people start gaming the system in other ways.

        It's a downward spiral that has happened in the same way every place I've seen it allowed.

        That's my personal opinion, based on my experience, of course. As long as Allen allows it, it's okay. But I won't do it.

        In the long run, it's destructive.


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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      But if you think that it affects the WSO's sales in any significant way, you'd be wrong, if the copy inside is any good at all.

      Big Mike, I'd say you're probably right, but without a way to split test open rates, you can't know for sure.
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