Is it legal/Ethical if i let my outsourced workers see the Make money videos i Buy?

39 replies
Is it legal/Ethical if i let my outsourced workers see the Make money videos i Buy?

I really think that it is okay....I just need some second opinions.

I have a lot of videos i have personally bought from clickbank etc...in my harddisk. I have outsourced a few workers and i want to send them the Training videos....Is it Normal and okay?
#buy #legal or ethical #make #money #outsourced #videos #workers
  • Profile picture of the author DrewClement
    I have done the same thing and I believe that it is common practice within this industry to share information in that regard, especially when it benefits the industry on the whole.

    However, as stated by Paul Myers and other experienced warriors...never take legal/ethical advice to heart on here. If it is a major concern, seek out professional advice.

    In this instance I think you are more than ok...but don't take my word for it
    Signature


    50% Commission, Proven Products, and MASSIVE Profits

    Drew@SellHealth.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121741].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ebooksmaster
    Thanks Drew...
    I know that i sounded mellow when i asked that question....But just wanted to know how the warriors would feel about it?
    Signature
    Free consultation about Monetizing your Website ! Onlinewebsiteconsultant.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121793].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rdxsumo
    I think its legal here because you're the owner of those videos and until specifically mentioned (not to be shared) then i guess you're on the right path.
    Signature
    Though to share some tips about buying cheap shoes this holiday season - if you like shopping :)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121809].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
      Is it ethical to make copies of your Windows XP cd and distribute them to your friends?
      Signature
      Clickbank #1 Best Seller: The Deadbeat Super Affiliate.
      Click here to learn how to make money online in your bath robe and gym socks!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121888].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Is it legal to buy a pirated DVD? Most if not all products will come with terms and those terms will say that you may not distribute it in anyway. Is it legal, probably not since you don't own the rights to re distribute it. Do people do it, sure, doesn't make it right tho.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121910].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author ebooksmaster
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          Is it legal to buy a pirated DVD? Most if not all products will come with terms and those terms will say that you may not distribute it in anyway. Is it legal, probably not since you don't own the rights to re distribute it. Do people do it, sure, doesn't make it right tho.
          I don't agree...I am not talking about taking a copy...what if i give the same cd i buy to my outsourced workers to see....That's the kind of question i am asking about....
          Signature
          Free consultation about Monetizing your Website ! Onlinewebsiteconsultant.com
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134621].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author joetheseo
        Oh come on... Are you guys serious? You can download almost any IM course by simply searching on Google for it...

        I'd rather a BUYING CUSTOMER share it with their employees then someone downloading it from a Warez site without paying at all.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2136915].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    I think you'll be fine letting your outsourcers see the videos. I certainly would without a doubt if I bought them. It's not going to do anyone any harm watching a few internet marketing videos, hardly the same as copying and distributing illegal copies of windows. Many clickbank products also say it is fine to do this, just go ahead, as long as you don't start uploading them to share with whole world!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121962].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Ryan D
    Banned
    I wouldn't say it's unethical. As a general statement, product owners might state it's not allowed. But if you cornered one of them in a bar, they would tell you that they probably wouldn't care. Brad Fallon of stompernet told everyone at the conferences that they can share stompernet stuff with their staff. He even mentioned that he could give extra logins to staff.

    If you wanted, you could ask the product owner. But honestly, that's the type of question where whoever answers support would probably say "Uh, why are you asking? Just do it"
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121967].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by ebooksmaster View Post

    Is it legal/Ethical if i let my outsourced workers see the Make money videos i Buy?
    It is both legal and ethical to let them watch the videos.

    It is neither to send them a copy of the videos.

    You need to find a way to do the first without the second.
    Signature
    "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2121976].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    Banned
    Originally Posted by ebooksmaster View Post

    Is it legal/Ethical if i let my outsourced workers see the Make money videos i Buy?

    I really think that it is okay....I just need some second opinions.

    I have a lot of videos i have personally bought from clickbank etc...in my harddisk. I have outsourced a few workers and i want to send them the Training videos....Is it Normal and okay?
    If you really want to be legal and ethical, ask the product owner what he/she thinks about it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2122312].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JonAlfredsson
    Hi, Yes I agree that it is okay to share it with your workers. You need your workers to help you with your business and that is why you hired them . They need to be trained on something to help you lighten your work. So, if the videos could help you get the task done the easier way, go ahead and share with them the videos
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2123663].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
      Banned
      Originally Posted by JonAlfredsson View Post

      Hi, Yes I agree that it is okay to share it with your workers. You need your workers to help you with your business and that is why you hired them . They need to be trained on something to help you lighten your work. So, if the videos could help you get the task done the easier way, go ahead and share with them the videos
      That's might nice of you to give him permission to share a product you don't own. How very generous of you. Have you heard of multiple licensing ... like when a big company wants some software for the whole company and how they have to purchase multiple licensing?

      As I said, if you want to share something you don't have the right to share, why ask us? If you want to do the right thing, ask the product owner.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2124090].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Teutobod
    If I buy a movie DVD and my gf watches it, It must be illegal and unethical right?

    Hope I don't end up in the purgatory for that. :rolleyes:
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134739].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author ebooksmaster
      Originally Posted by Teutobod View Post

      If I buy a movie DVD and my gf watches it, It must be illegal and unethical right?

      Hope I don't end up in the purgatory for that. :rolleyes:
      You made us laugh as well as think....

      It doesn't make sense to be too mindful of some ethics(like in this case) particularly while marketing...
      Signature
      Free consultation about Monetizing your Website ! Onlinewebsiteconsultant.com
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134849].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jamieludlow
    I would say it is absolutely fine. If you had your own office you would be buying the courses for your office, you wouldn't be buying a number of copies of the courses so everyone in the office has a copy.

    This is a similar scenario, however its just a virtual version. Obviously you need to make them aware that it is for their eyes only and they must not share the course with others, but its should be fine for them to view it.
    Signature

    NEW Full service marketing & media agency catering for small/medium sized local businesses - http://SimplesMarketing.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134864].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
      Banned
      I would say it is absolutely fine. If you had your own office you would be buying the courses for your office, you wouldn't be buying a number of copies of the courses so everyone in the office has a copy.

      This is a similar scenario, however its just a virtual version. Obviously you need to make them aware that it is for their eyes only and they must not share the course with others, but its should be fine for them to view it.

      Have you worked in an office that did things by the book? I have. We had a system administrator who purchased bulk licensing for each computer in the building, and that's in every office I've ever worked at. That's what licensing means ... intended one license per computer. Of course if you want to gather up your outsourcers to your location to view it on your computer, no problem, but that's not really what you're going to do, is it?

      You intend to share your copy with people who have not purchased it and have multiple copies distributed by you. That's piracy.

      And likening it to sharing a movie with your girlfriend is ridiculous. Not the same thing at all. You can buy a physical product and give it away or sell it to someone else. What you can't do legally is make a copy of that movie and give it to your girlfriend to watch at her house.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134958].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    I would say it is fine to do, in fact if its my products, I would encourage it.

    Any big marketer
    1. Wants you to succeed
    2. Knows you dont do all the work

    Funny, I dont think I have done it since I like creating my own training. If you dont feel
    comfortable, ask the product creator.

    Cheers,
    Mukul
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134914].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author DeadGuy
      I question why you would legitimately need to do this in first place. We never question our actions when they fit squarely with our personal ethics (potential legal issues aside).
      Signature

      You are making this work at home stuff way harder than it is. Ready for some sanity? Clear your head and start over.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134965].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jamian
    You're totally fine! Besides it's good that you sharing your resources with your outsourced workers It'll only do you good.
    Signature
    Affiliate Marketing explained for beginners >>
    www.SuperAffiliateMarketingTrick.com <<
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134967].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mukul Verma
    I am now curious what bigger info product marketers would have to say on this.

    Again, if I was sharing it with your team, would be cool with me

    Mukul
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2134972].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author ebooksmaster
      Well,i am a info product marketer myself(Though not a bigger one) and...

      I won't expect a customer to buy my Product 50 times if he intends to show it to 50 of his workers.I would be Glad that he is finding my product very valuable and let him use it....It's 1000 times much better than having to watch helpless when some warez forum are giving away my products for free.

      I guess most Info product sellers will not disagree...

      Originally Posted by Mukul Verma View Post

      I am now curious what bigger info product marketers would have to say on this.

      Again, if I was sharing it with your team, would be cool with me

      Mukul
      Signature
      Free consultation about Monetizing your Website ! Onlinewebsiteconsultant.com
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2151259].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135063].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      It's amazing how people can justify something like this and think it's OK.

      Write up your own doc or pdf to train your outsourcers. That's the way to do it - make your own screenshots if needed, give sites for them to reference, etc.

      And don't go down the "fair use" doctrine road either.
      Good point - that phrase doesn't mean "what I think is fair because it's what I want to do".

      kay
      Signature
      Saving one dog will not change the world - but the world changes forever for that one dog
      ***
      Live life like someone left the gate open
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135100].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
        Okay, I re-read the OP material and I see...

        I have outsourced a few workers and i want to send them the Training videos...

        The keyword here is "send". That makes all the difference.

        I see posts like this all the time, and frankly--they make me ill. I hate to disagree with almost everyone here (except Sbucciarel and KayKing), but you folks are so entirely off base it is scary.

        And the really scary thing is that the advice given here could land someone in serious trouble. Copyright protects the copying and DISTRIBUTION of protected works. If you send someone a copy of a digital work protected by copyright you are guilty of copyright infringement. No ifs, ands, or buts about it--it's illegal.

        I would like to make a challenge for all posters here. Google up Title 17 U.S. Code and read the whole thing. Go to the copyright Office web site and find the PDF file titled Copyright Basics and download it. You will find exactly what I said: Copyright covers both the reproduction and distribution of materials.

        People here are giving advice on things they have never researched and know nothing about whatsoever. When someone says, "I think..." that means nothing. What people "think" doesn't matter.

        If you end up in court and your only defense is that someone on the Warrior Forum said it was okay to copy, and or distribute, copyrighted works--you have no defense at at.

        Like I said, I challenge all posters (except for the ever thoughtful Sbucciarel and KayKing) to find anything in Title 17 of the U.S. Code--or any related case law--which supports the notion that the copying or distribution of copyrighted material is permissible. If you do, post it here for all to read.

        And don't go down the "fair use" doctrine road either. That covers a very narrow band of permissible uses and it clearly states that if the copying or distribution acts as a substitute for the purchase of the material it is not allowed.

        Holy gads, posts like this and the replies just scare me to death. --Mike
        Signature

        I'll help you create a reputation-building evergreen product in any niche and launch it successfully!
        Check it out here.

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135160].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Huge question: When you say share are you talking about showing the videos in an office where your outsourced workers are physically there--or, are you talking about distributing the files to outsourced workers in different locations? --Mike
    Signature

    I'll help you create a reputation-building evergreen product in any niche and launch it successfully!
    Check it out here.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135080].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    It's not legal - don't do it.

    Buy second copies for your workers, many have done that.

    It's both legal and ethical then when you get second copies for your workers.

    -Shaun
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135181].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Calamaroo
    Here is another version of some of the good answers already given above.

    If you own ABC Inc. and bought a training product for the use of ABC Inc. (and not for your personal use) then anyone who works for ABC Inc. ought to be able to use/watch that product so long as it is used for the sake of ABC Inc.

    And it doesn't even have to be an Inc. It can be an LLC, a Limited Partnership, a Sole Proprietorship, etc. Maybe even a collective of, say, internet marketers.

    In the past, businesses in small towns would actually form an organization (an entirely separate legal entity) that bargained together to buy common raw materials from big suppliers. As a result they each individually got a much better price on those raw materials because by teaming up with each other as a bigger entity they gave themselves more scale and bargaining leverage.

    But that's a different subject and no I am not trying to give ideas on how individual IMers can form a separate legal entity that can allow each individual member to save money on expensive ebooks. :p I'm not a lawyer, though.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135266].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Calamaroo View Post

      Here is another version of some of the good answers already given above.

      If you own ABC Inc. and bought a training product for the use of ABC Inc. (and not for your personal use) then anyone who works for ABC Inc. ought to be able to use/watch that product so long as it is used for the sake of ABC Inc.

      And it doesn't even have to be an Inc. It can be an LLC, a Limited Partnership, a Sole Proprietorship, etc. Maybe even a collective of, say, internet marketers.

      In the past, businesses in small towns would actually form an organization (an entirely separate legal entity) that bargained together to buy common raw materials from big suppliers. As a result they each individually got a much better price on those raw materials because by teaming up with each other as a bigger entity they gave themselves more scale and bargaining leverage.

      But that's a different subject and no I am not trying to give ideas on how individual IMers can form a separate legal entity that can allow each individual member to save money on expensive ebooks. :p I'm not a lawyer, though.

      You're missing the point entirely or just trying to rationalize piracy. A Co-op forming to buy raw materials that are not copyrighted is a whole different matter. And no ... forming a business to spread around other people's products for free doesn't cut it either. Real businesses, as I mentioned before, buy bulk licensing for their training materials and software.

      Are you all here just to make a fast buck or is anyone here to build a real business? If you do plan on building a business, do you plan on giving your product away or selling it? If you do plan on selling it, do you hope that it's not going to end up on every torrent and piracy site on the Net like so many of the products in this very forum? Do you care about the hard work that goes into making a valuable product and the hope that every business has to make a profit from it?

      I was doing some research on a couple of nice, profitable websites I sold awhile ago. I found them all over the place ... every stinking little pirate on the Net was selling the product and using the sales copy. It's disheartening to me to see this sense of entitlement these thieves have ... they believe they have a right to steal your products and to even profit from them themselves.

      Even if you don't sell it to others, you do not have the right to distribute other people's products. You want to give your outsourcers some training ... get off your lazy ass and recap what you have learned in a pdf and send them that.

      Since I create products, I have to deal with this crap constantly. All of this makes me ill and I seriously hope that all of you who believe that this is ok, doesn't ever buy anything from me.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135345].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Calamaroo
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        You're missing the point entirely or just trying to rationalize piracy. A Co-op forming to buy raw materials that are not copyrighted is a whole different matter. And no ... forming a business to spread around other people's products for free doesn't cut it either. Real businesses, as I mentioned before, buy bulk licensing for their training materials and software.

        Are you all here just to make a fast buck or is anyone here to build a real business? If you do plan on building a business, do you plan on giving your product away or selling it? If you do plan on selling it, do you hope that it's not going to end up on every torrent and piracy site on the Net like so many of the products in this very forum? Do you care about the hard work that goes into making a valuable product and the hope that every business has to make a profit from it?

        I was doing some research on a couple of nice, profitable websites I sold awhile ago. I found them all over the place ... every stinking little pirate on the Net was selling the product and using the sales copy. It's disheartening to me to see this sense of entitlement these thieves have ... they believe they have a right to steal your products and to even profit from them themselves.

        Even if you don't sell it to others, you do not have the right to distribute other people's products. You want to give your outsourcers some training ... get off your lazy ass and recap what you have learned in a pdf and send them that.

        Since I create products, I have to deal with this crap constantly. All of this makes me ill and I seriously hope that all of you who believe that this is ok, doesn't ever buy anything from me.
        One of the IM gurus actually mentioned letting his outsourcers watch the videos that he has bought. Whether or not it was another copy, he didn't mention. I believe Jonas said it on his outsourcing video/audio. But I'm not sure. Again, I don't know if he bought his outsourcer another video or he just sent him that one copy. He didn't say it in his video/audio.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135390].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    If I buy a video and a friend watches it, there's no issue. If I burn him a copy to keep, that's piracy. Think about if it was your product that you were selling - would you want people distributing it to anyone and everyone they work with?

    Of course, that's not to say that sharing videos like that isn't common practice throughout the IM industry...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135618].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wagoner
    Allowing access of any kind, including putting them on your site and letting them log in to view is wrong IMO.

    However, you can create your own videos on how you want things done and train them that way and I think you'll be on the right track. I'm not saying copying the entire spiel, but you can tell Worker A to handle Task 1 like so, and Worker B to handle Task 2 this way.

    Making your own how to videos is the best way to get things done your way anyway.

    If the product doesn't address the issue in User Policy, you may need to just ask the person who created product.

    That's my take.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135647].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
      Hello Warriors!

      I just joined this forum but have been involved in many types of internet marketing for a few years.

      The answer to this question is simple, to me. Many businesses spend thousands on training and coaching for their employees, what your asking is a virtual shortcut IMO and infringement of any copyright holders rights to the material you purchased.

      Copyright infringement is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works covered by copyright law in a way that violates one or all of the copyright owner's exclusive rights to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.

      In this case it would seem you are thinking of distributing derivative works of the original to your workers abroad. This is a direct violation of any typical copyright. A derivative work is essentially a copy of an original, or defined as an expressive creation that includes major, copyright-protected elements of an original, previously created first work.

      It doesn't get any clearer than that and as others have said, if you ever create your own product, ask yourself the same question.

      To me, if one of my customers would like his or her workers to be educated utilizing the same advantage they have gotten from my product, than they should buy a copy for each of the workers. Essentially, making copies for workers is multiplying the advantage by each workers benefit and therefore should be accompanied by a price paid.

      Think of it this way, your not really just buying the materials, but the advantage, outcome, or education that the materials provide for personal use.
      Signature
      Whether you think you can, or think you can't, YOU'RE RIGHT!! <~~Henry Ford

      Check out my video gigs on fiverr!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2135904].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Teutobod
    If you buy a physical DVD then you can send it around to your employees for a watch, then why should it be different with downloaded courses?

    If someone says its illegal, then let it be. Illegal is not equal to unethical. Common Sense.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2136013].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jamieludlow
    Well as far as im concerned every single company I have worked with they have bought physical books/courses/training material and stored it in a library for everyone in the office to use.

    I know Mike Filsaime purchases most courses out there and he has a library in his office for his staff to go through all the different courses and training materials.

    If you have software then of course that would be different and would in most cases require 1 license per user, but when it comes to training materials I don't see the need to have more than 1 copy within the business.
    Signature

    NEW Full service marketing & media agency catering for small/medium sized local businesses - http://SimplesMarketing.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2136895].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
      Banned
      Originally Posted by jamieludlow View Post

      Well as far as im concerned every single company I have worked with they have bought physical books/courses/training material and stored it in a library for everyone in the office to use.

      I know Mike Filsaime purchases most courses out there and he has a library in his office for his staff to go through all the different courses and training materials.

      If you have software then of course that would be different and would in most cases require 1 license per user, but when it comes to training materials I don't see the need to have more than 1 copy within the business.
      How is that remotely similar to making illegal copies and sending them out to oversees outsourcers? Putting something you purchased in your office library for staff to use is not copying and distributing illegal copies.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2136984].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    I think it is okay if you are using the videos to show them what they will be doing for you.
    Signature
    What Misunderstood Traffic Source SUCKS In
    3 Million Visitors Daily and Spits Out
    $560.81 Per Day In Commissions?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2136945].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MassiveMarketer
    If you will let your outsources just watch the video then that would be fine but to give them access or a copy of it and the possibility that they might make a copy, then there lies a problem for you.

    Better yet, just have a document with notes about the video that you'd like to share than giving them.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2151348].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Here is the only way it's legal.

      You have your outsource workers come to your house. You put the video
      up on your PC and let them watch it with you.

      Sending that video to them in any way at all is piracy, plain and simple.

      IOW...don't do it.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2151613].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author wiseleo
    If I have resale rights, I can sell a video to them for an arbitrary amount, such as $0.01

    If I don't have resale rights, I can't see how this can be legal. Well, there is one exception, if you make the videos available on an internal site and implement reasonable technological means (I use S3 Media Vault, for example) and policy that prohibit them from saving the videos, then you should be OK. That's about the same as playing the video on your computer in your office for an employee who walks into your office.

    You likely can't really be held responsible if the employee chooses to employ a video downloading tool to pirate the content if they were explicitly told not to do so.

    I have some experience with licensing videos for multiple users.

    I have a subscription to CBT Nuggets for my office. That costs me $1100/employee per year. Note that I can use 3 concurrent licenses for 30 employees as long as no more than 3 are using the license at the same time.
    I also have a subsciption to CBT Nuggets end-user edition. That costs me $300/user per year.

    The end-user subscription is specifically for employees of my customers. I offer unlimited training, so I prefer to have the users be educated to a certain level before they call us. We'd much rather teach them the fun advanced stuff!

    However, before I subscribed to the end-user package, I called and confirmed with the company that it was legal.

    All of these are concurrent usage floating licenses, and they are OK with me sharing use of licenses with non-employees. Not all companies permit that, so be sure to ask.

    On the other hand, I have pretty large selection of cool videos to which I have resale rights on my membership site that my customers are welcome to view.

    I am licensed for a certain number of concurrent users. I can't prevent the downloading of content as that's the responsibility of the company who licenses the content to me, but I have a policy in place to that effect.

    Check your license.
    Signature

    I run a few startups that address critical business problems. PM or Skype me about joining my direct affiliate programs. My products are business continuity and customer testimonials. Both are unique.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[2153094].message }}

Trending Topics