Sending 60,000 plus emails

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Hey Folks,

I have a client that has a 60,000 plus emails list. Does any one have good experience with lists of this size?
I have another client with a 1.8 million list but we use an expensive mail tool ( $5,000) to do their mailing.

I am looking for an easy mailing tool that can handle 50,000 - 300,000 emails and mail it out at a decent rate. The rate has to be able to be throttled. but 5,000 to 10,000 an hour would be fine.

I would like to buy the tool for sub $150 if possible. I would also like it to run on a LAMP system

thanks for any help
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  • Profile picture of the author KirkMcD
    AutoResponsePlus can handle it (I think it costs more than $150 though) but mailing speed is based on the server it is installed on. You will need your own server though because no shared account will let you do what you want to do.

    Are you sure you only want to do 5,000-10,000 per hour? For a large list it will take more than a day to send out the messages. If you needed to send out a message where urgency was an issue, you can't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    I also think you'll need to be careful as well even on your own server, you'll be screwed if it gets blacklisted but otherwise I second AutoResponsePlus

    Kim
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    You better hope that 60K list is clean clean clean! You'll get shut down fast if you mail anything commercial to it and it's the typical bought list. This isn't 1999. Those days are (sadly) long gone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      You better hope that 60K list is clean clean clean! You'll get shut down fast if you mail anything commercial to it and it's the typical bought list. This isn't 1999. Those days are (sadly) long gone.
      Hi John,

      You are right. Myself faced with this problem in 2006 and decided not to make such action again because they downgraded my site right away.

      You may be careful: if that list is

      - double opted,
      - meet your niche and product,
      - is sensitive enough,
      - is not in sleeping mode,
      - etc... then you may go for that.

      As people suggested above, a dedicated server may be a good solution.

      Have a nice day,

      Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    You can use a free email script to do your mailing, but
    5000-10,000 an hour will get your server blacklisted.

    You need a dedicated server too, so the script license isn't
    the major cost anyway, it's renting the server. You can
    own your own server too and run it in a spare room or
    whatever - if you aren't hosting sites on the servers
    even an older PC will probably work fine for emailing.

    A friend of mine with a non-profit list mails from a server -
    400 per hour I think is what he uses. He's been doing it for
    years and says staying at this level gets lets him stay
    under the radar. If he mails much more the big ISPs bounce the
    emails and they don't get delivered.

    If you need fast delivery of lots of emails at the same time you
    either have to be willing to convince ISPs to let you mail
    (and in some cases pay them) to their customers... or you should
    run the list through a service that has already negotiated
    terms of delivery.

    You should ask around among people who mail big lists off
    their own servers - I doubt you will find many with the guts to
    mail more than 1000 at a time.

    People who run subscription-based AR services are in another
    class of user. They're in the business of begging ISPs to deliver
    their email. It's a lot of work I have heard.
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    • Profile picture of the author bydomino
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      You need a dedicated server too, so the script license isn't
      the major cost anyway, it's renting the server. You can
      own your own server too and run it in a spare room or
      whatever - if you aren't hosting sites on the servers
      even an older PC will probably work fine for emailing.

      A friend of mine with a non-profit list mails from a server -
      400 per hour I think is what he uses. He's been doing it for
      years and says staying at this level gets lets him stay
      under the radar. If he mails much more the big ISPs bounce the
      emails and they don't get delivered.
      Thanks for the info!! Servers I have that is not the issue.
      I have two clients that have Million plus double op'ed in lists. We mail these using an expensive Lyris server. Way back we could mail out around 200,000 an hour and the only heat we would get was from AOL. Once we were approved by them everything was great.
      We can now run 10-15,000 an hour, but both of these guys have been around for a while.

      My requests is about new folks with a much smaller budget. I did looks at AutoResponsePlus and I think it might be my choice.

      I would set up some free code but it needs to be easy for my client.
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  • Profile picture of the author danishaniq
    you can use email interspire marketer, because it does not need a monthly fee .. so just enough time payment only:

    for more information please visit : interspire.com
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  • Profile picture of the author tomcam
    I cannot recommend strongly enough that you use a 3rd party site like Aweber. I have a legit site that sends out tens of thousands of legitimate mails per day. These are status mails sent to my registered users for a real-time auction services site, and the mails are sent out strictly due to user input (something like the email eBay sends out when you bid on an auction). We have been doing business on the web since 1999 and still a shockingly high percentage (not far below 10%) end up in the bit bucket.

    Places like Constant Contact and AWeber, however, have spent years and years conditioning their IPs, dealing successfully with the mandarins of the blacklists (don't get me started on the blacklists, which are incredibly difficult to reach, because of course they don't want to be gamed) and doing sundry other tasks to get a high delivery rate.

    I promise that with those quantities, doing the job yourself is impossible without a couple years of preparation. Even then you won't get the kind of delivery rate that Aweber does.

    No, I have no connection to AWeber. But I sure know mass email issues.

    Cheers,

    Tom Campbell
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    • Profile picture of the author bydomino
      Originally Posted by tomcam View Post

      I cannot recommend strongly enough that you use a 3rd party site like Aweber. I have a legit site that sends out tens of thousands of legitimate mails per day. These are status mails sent to my registered users for a real-time auction services site, and the mails are sent out strictly due to user input (something like the email eBay sends out when you bid on an auction). We have been doing business on the web since 1999 and still a shockingly high percentage (not far below 10%) end up in the bit bucket.

      Places like Constant Contact and AWeber, however, have spent years and years conditioning their IPs, dealing successfully with the mandarins of the blacklists (don't get me started on the blacklists, which are incredibly difficult to reach, because of course they don't want to be gamed) and doing sundry other tasks to get a high delivery rate.

      I promise that with those quantities, doing the job yourself is impossible without a couple years of preparation. Even then you won't get the kind of delivery rate that Aweber does.

      No, I have no connection to AWeber. But I sure know mass email issues.

      Thanks Tom, I have really been thinking about this. I just have to convince my client of the cost. I also told them that we could run the initial mailing and build up a opt in mail list so that we can run those separably for much less. I have some good experience in dealing with large mailing and the fall out that comes with it. I have been hosting in the same place for over 12 years so I sort of have a friend. I can get away with a little more than most for a short period of time.

      Kevin
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