Sad truth why people fail in Online Marketing

Paul Barrs

14 years ago

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Dietriffic

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Barrs

But let me ask... How long should you persist at a thing that you constantly fail in? One month? Two months? How about 6... what about 12?

How long should you do something poorly before you realize / decide that it's not the right thing for you to do?

There are many people who 'get into' this IM thing and fail... for no other reason then they shouldn't have started in the first place. Some people are just not meant to be or do "business", online *or* off.

I agree Paul.

That's why I stated in this recent thread, that you should set a date at the start.

After one year, you'll know whether to continue or not.

Even if you haven't succeeded fully after a year, you'll know if it's a possibility.

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sbucciarel Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Barrs

Yes, true -

But let me ask... How long should you persist at a thing that you constantly fail in? One month? Two months? How about 6... what about 12?

In agreement with this. I think a lot has to do with the fact that they don't take any action on anything, but it boils down to the reason they decided to try Internet Marketing in the first place.

Basically, if you're lazy and unskilled and you've read somewhere that you can make thousands, millions even and buy fancy cars and estates (in your pajamas) and you believe what you are reading ... that there's an easy, quick, no work path to getting rich ... then you are likely to fail, because the truth is that there is no easy, fast, no work path to getting rich in Internet Marketing.

If you're self-motivated, learn quickly, not afraid to learn new things and put them to use, and are willing to work, then you might have a shot at success.
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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WarriorMonkey

The main reason why people fail to succeed online is because they quit.

I guess this applies to most things: academic studies, basketball, playing guitar, working out, learning a foreign language, etc. etc. etc.

Quitters may never win, while winners persist at an endeavor when it has a chance at bearing fruit and quit when quitting is best thing to do.

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14 years ago

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VegasVince 14 years ago

A lot of these people selling $7 dollar ebooks on why "bumble bees bumble" SHOULD QUIT!

Because it reminds me of the poor ******* who bangs his head into a tree every day.....wondering why it continues to hurt.

Truth is.....more people jerk around creating "mediums" and other bells and whistles.....forgetting that ultimately you have to have an OFFER that people can't live without.

I'm talking about stuff people actually want to buy....even if it means banging the old ladies credit card at 4 am while she's sleeping.

Amazing how many products out there RIGHT NOW BEING SOLD FOR CASH.....would be tough to give a way for FREE.

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- ShaneBoyd 14 years ago
  
  I look at it differently folks. Let's say for example, a person wants to be a marine biologist when they get out of high school. So that person goes to college for 4 years, then enters the work force of HOPES of landing a job making around $32,000 a year. (Yes, this is the average for that field. I know because my daughter wants to be one).
  
  College costs around $10,000 a year. Now when the person leaves college, odds are they will be around $25,000 in debt (financial aid pays for some and parents pay for some of college). But there is NO promise of landing a job.
  
  Paradigm shift here. How is IM any different? It's a profession. It takes time to learn it. Usually a lot longer than 6 months. So if I were to give it a time limit (which I won't) I would say 4-5 years of trying before I would call it quits.
  
  And another thing, with college they don't throw you around with every new shiny teaching method. You'll learn that one trade. In the IM game, people (me included) bounce around too much.
  
  It wasn't until I hunkered down and did ONE thing only that I started making money.
  
  I'm not making thousands a week or even a month. But I do get click bank checks every 2 weeks, which is a lot more than most.
  
  Basically, if one puts there mind to IM and they are passionate about it...one will find a way to succeed.
  
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thunderbird

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Barrs

Really? I was spent two years trying to learn to play the piano. But after two years I quit because I figured that it just wasn't my "thing". Yet I win in other areas all the time.

In fact, it's because I've learnt WHEN to quit at certain things that my success ratios go up so much higher in almost all other areas.

- Paul

OK, it's just a philosophical difference - I do "agree" on the principle of your point, just not the implementation.

Yes, agreed! You took my words out of context, thus giving a different meaning to them. The part of my goofy and awkward (and perhaps less than articulate) rearrangement of a cliche that you cut off also said that winners know when to quit. You actually provided an example of how a winner -- yourself -- knows when to quit. Just like I was trying to say.

Here is my quote in full, plus the original cliche:

"Quitters may never win, while winners persist at an endeavor when it has a chance at bearing fruit *and quit when quitting is best thing to do*."

Different meaning than the original expression, "Winners never quit and quitters never win," isn't it?

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Long Beach Nathan

14 years ago

And I think it comes down to the fact that you end up quitting if you don't find something about IM that you love. That's one thing that got me the first time around.

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jborjaperez

14 years ago

Hey Warrior Monkey,

I agree completely and I will even go out on a limb to say..

People don't fail, they JUST quit.

If something is in your heart and you can see yourself succeeding. Half the battle is already won.

"He who says he can and he who says he can't are both usually right" - Confucius

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Igor Kheifets

14 years ago

The only thing people fail in internet marketing because they
put all their hopes into a "system" someone else promises them
to work and to generate income for them.

It's rarely the case though. Most of internet marketing successes
aren't overnight and cost $$$ and time. Majority of those who claim to
develop the so called "copy-paste" systems are people who spent
years at tweaking, trying and failing time and time again.

That's the only way to succeed: Try->Fail->Tweak-Fail->Tweak->Fail->Tweak
and Try Some More-> Success!

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johnyeo90

14 years ago

I agree..people buying all the products but just leave it "sleep" in the computer..without any further actions..u get nothing if you do nothing..don't lazy so that your results won't lousy..haha

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Social Experts

14 years ago

There is a balance. You can buy all the products in the world but you won't make money. Take action!

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JAIDEEP2959 14 years ago

Many people fail in Online Marketing because they become completely dependent on Gurus.

Gurus never reveal everything what they are doing to make money online.

Unless they use their own intelligence and creativity, they will not make money online.
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Jon Tees

14 years ago

Some people quit when they are making money but it isn’t as much money as they’d like to be making. And others keep right on going, refusing to admit defeat after years of making little to no money and actually losing more money then they will ever make. Results seem to vary greatly from person to person and business to business. Two people could be using the exact same methods and doing exactly the same things, and yet one of them makes a fortune and the other loses a fortune.

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Dayor 14 years ago

You have to decide which so called GURU to follow, and follow the person to the core. 90% of the IM product does actually work but either the product owner didint give you the whole picture or you didnt follow the product to the core. SO, the way forward is pick a Mentor on a niche then follow the teachings to the end, this is when you decide if its a pass or a fail.
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JJ Rendon

14 years ago

A lot of people fail in Online Marketing because they expect to achieve everything within a snap of a finger and with just a short span of time. They should understand that it should be done one step at a time. There's no shortcut to success.

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jacksonlin

14 years ago

A lot of people set up a site, take all their time in making it pretty.

Then bookmark it a few times and think traffic should flood in.

They spend too much of their time on MAKING sites, rather than DRIVING TRAFFIC.

I can guarantee you that 85% of the people who failed, have some sort of site, but no traffic.

Yet they think to themselves "I've made a site, I should be making money".

No.

Not even close.

Anyone can make a site.

I can hire an Elancer to make me a few template sites for $10!

But not anyone can get targeted traffic.

That's the real difference!

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George185 14 years ago

I think it also depends on what someone considers to be failure. If you are making $500 per month, that could be considered a failure if you are trying to make $10,000 per month. Then again if you were trying to make $400 per month it is success.

Success is dependent on how high you set your goals. I would say that any kind of progress would constitute success. Whether that be monetary, traffic, or even mental.

Also, If you enjoy doing what you are doing, then you will never fail. It will be more like a past time than a job.
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- thunderbird 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by George185
  
  I think it also depends on what someone considers to be failure.<snip>
  
  Yes, it is totally personal. I think that if you don't ever fail, you're a failure.
  
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Ernie Lo

14 years ago

Spot on buddy!

I was doing that exact same thing for years it was a vicious cycle.

I would spend 6 months+ on a site trying to get it perfect then I would launch it, not really understand how to get traffic besides posting it on forums, then I would simply give up thinking the idea/site was bad...and off I went thinking of my next idea that would bank me my million dollars.

Originally Posted by jacksonlin

A lot of people set up a site, take all their time in making it pretty.

Then bookmark it a few times and think traffic should flood in.

They spend too much of their time on MAKING sites, rather than DRIVING TRAFFIC.

I can guarantee you that 85% of the people who failed, have some sort of site, but no traffic.

Yet they think to themselves "I've made a site, I should be making money".

No.

Not even close.

Anyone can make a site.

I can hire an Elancer to make me a few template sites for $10!

But not anyone can get targeted traffic.

That's the real difference!

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PaulaC

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jacksonlin

A lot of people set up a site, take all their time in making it pretty.

Then bookmark it a few times and think traffic should flood in.

They spend too much of their time on MAKING sites, rather than DRIVING TRAFFIC.

I can guarantee you that 85% of the people who failed, have some sort of site, but no traffic.

Yet they think to themselves "I've made a site, I should be making money".

No.

Not even close.

Anyone can make a site.

I can hire an Elancer to make me a few template sites for $10!

But not anyone can get targeted traffic.

That's the real difference!

This is so true - it just about always comes down to traffic in the end. Once the traffic comes you can always tweak the content but without the traffic you don't even know what you are doing wrong.

I always recommend to anyone that they spend about 80% of their time on generating traffic....or outsource it to someone else if they don't like doing it themselves.

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revjoe 14 years ago

*mindset* Sometimes its just not having the right mindset. Business success is a bit different than athletic success but are very close. One athlete may have all the skills and ablilies but does not have *heart* fails, but the one who has heart and determination and is willing to learn and go through the ropes and the failures but in his mind has decided to succeed will succeed.
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Andyhenry

14 years ago

Originally Posted by jacksonlin

Anyone can make a site.

I can hire an Elancer to make me a few template sites for $10!

But not anyone can get targeted traffic.

That's the real difference!

I disagree completely.

Traffic is nothing - ANYONE CAN get traffic. You can use PPC and get all the traffic there is in a few minutes.

Traffic is NOT the problem at all.

People like to make out that one single element like this is 'the key' to making money - that's BS.

Like Vince already said - IM strategies are not a business - they're a bunch a tools. The Internet is a medium, not a business.

There no one-size fits all answer to 'the one secret ingredient'.

It's interesting that someone joins this forum and immediately posts a thread telling us all 'how it really is'. That's impressive that you know the secret but yet it's so vague as to not be any use.

Yes - if you're not successful - it's your fault.

You're only a failure when you stop trying.

Blah blah blah.

Thanks - that doesn't help anyone.

I know it's sexy to make out that you have answer for everyone (especially if you're trying to position yourself as an expert they should buy stuff from) but everyone is different and the requirements for success are individual when you get to the reality of taking action.

Having a product isn't the key.

Getting traffic isn't the key.

Not giving up isn't the key (you can use a broken hammer forever and not get the job finished).

There is no key.

Everything comes down to your own individual flavour and focus.

We can all be equally successful using completely different strategies that require vastly different approaches.

Some people can be successful by accident.

Some people can be successful by working a poor system really hard.

Some people can be successful by lightly working a very effective system.

You can make money without a website. Without a product. Without search engine traffic or ppc traffic.

If you started an offline business you wouldn't say - now that I have my shop the key is to make a website and drive traffic to it. You could open a shop in a business mall and be successful just by having the right products for the people who already go there.

There is no 'one' key.

The reason people think there is comes from the people trying to sell them it. That combined with a desire/hope that it's really easy and you just need to get one thing right.

Sorry - but life's not like that.

You could persist at something and make a great living but still end up miserable and hating your business.

The answer is whatever works for you. It's nothing to do with what other people are doing, selling or saying.

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Davy Norton 14 years ago

Hey everyone

yea i went out bought loads of different products how to do this how to do that i started out online about 6 months ago now i no that s not a long time compare to some people but then one day i got an email with a a link to a webinar now this was for a coaching course with alex jefferys he explained how you run a successful online business before you start making money its really cool stuff if i hadnt of done this course i would still be online getting no were now i have a blog and a website now i no to some this might not seem much but ive only been doing the course just over a month now so i think to succedd online you need a coach if i hadnt have got one god knows were i would be today maby just have gave up so i would advice you to get a coach/mentor

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Tom B

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I know it's sexy to make out that you have answer for everyone (especially if you're trying to position yourself as an expert they should buy stuff from) but everyone is different and the requirements for success are individual when you get to the reality of taking action.

That is exactly why we see a post like this just about every week.

Normally from someone that has no real name and just signed up.

"Hello everyone, I am trying to make myself look like an expert so you can click my signature. Thanks for playing."

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Vexo

14 years ago

totally agree ! Have seen it time and again

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14 years ago

do what you like, so you will have the motive to go on after failure. if you don't like this business you will need a lot of patience because it takes too much time to learn

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sdentrepreneur

14 years ago

They fail because they are not right between the ears. Internet Marketing at a high level is a business, treat it like one. Have a business plan, marketing budget, P&L statement and delegate the mindless data entry.

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Georgech

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur

They fail because they are not right between the ears. Internet Marketing at a high level is a business, treat it like one. Have a business plan, marketing budget, P&L statement and delegate the mindless data entry.

I 100% agree with it...Start an online business as serious as any other businesses..come out with a detailed plan and move forward without thinking of quitting no matter what setbacks encountered..This is what I always convince myself to moving forward whenever I face obstacles in online business...

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VegasVince 14 years ago

Curious as to how many of you peeps think Online Marketing is a "business".

Truth is....it's a medium. A highly leveraged medium but a medium none the less.

A way to get AN OFFER OUT THERE TO A MARKET OF QUALIFIED TARGETED BUYERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SELL.

PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Despite what they say....IM aint nothing more then a leveraged medium to deliver the offer. Yet the offer is seldom ever mentioned anymore.....lol.

At what point did this become a "business"?

If you sell cook books via mail order....you aint in the mail order business....you're in the "cook book" business....mail order is your MEDIUM OF DELIVERY.

Why do people think that a faster method of medium changes the fact you still have to sell stuff people want?

Traffic? I can find traffic in my local phone book. Don't mean jack....if the offer I have doesn't match the demographics of my phone book.....capiche.

I have seen people get rich selling offers the old fashioned way.....and a whole lot of "smart bells and whistles" gurus go belly up selling stuff nobody wanted....stuff they couldn't give away for free.

The medium in the year 2010 might be better then the postage stamp....but it doesn't change the fact you make money selling stuff people WANT.

Sadly....the "offer"...the "service" ....the product.....isn't talked about much anymore. People think that fast computer.....and traffic alone....is gonna replace the real reason people buy anything.

Truth is....people BUY STUFF for the same reasons they bought stuff back when we licked stamps and hand wrote letters.

IM might be "sexy" .....it's a great medium....but it aint gonna sell the pig in the blue dress no matter how much "traffic" your campaign generates.

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jazbo

14 years ago

Balanced against "never say die" should be the self awareness to admit "I am not cut out for this".

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dlawrtz

14 years ago

People believe everything is as easy as their told. Great sales page then they start reading and implementing to find out that things don't exactly work the way they were told. They start getting overwhelmed and lose ambition. They get stuck trying to write articles or find content and getting traffic to their site. It's one thing to be told what to do but most newbie's need to be shown exactly how it's done

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JayPeete

14 years ago

Originally Posted by WarriorMonkey

Sure there are variations, but the problem is when pushed, when
really pushed to choose between success and failure, too often
people will accept failure rather than sweat it out and persevere
until they succeed.

And ultimately, its what you're prepared to accept for yourself that
determines how high you rise in this lifetime.

I have been preaching this to anyone that will listen. The problem is that most people won't listen...

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jitterbug978

14 years ago

I think there are several reasons why people fail in Internet Marketing... I think one of the primary reasons are because they turn into "Forum Lurkers" they try and find the "Secret" to making money online. They get in over their head and try making money with too many types of systems. They need to focus, create a plan and then proceed with that plan. Dont just create websites, create a business that will work for you. Automate as much as possible, once that is completed THEN move onto the next goal.

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