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Hate it When people Join your List Just for What they Want and Leave? (Warning my Rant!)

by humbledmarket Banned
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I just wanted to point out I understand that this comes as part of the business and people don't have any obligations when signing up for something "free".
This was just a friendly post to generate a conversation.

I have no hard feelings in anyway when people leave me list and I just wrote this post casually and then moved on; didn't expect such a response

lol I guess it's good and bad considering this post is constantly active my signatures get notice as well but people don't seem to like it much. I guess it's true that if you post something controversial it will get greater notice and views as to posting the norm. Something for me to consider...

Thanks for reading
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Well,
I just feel kind of frustrated right now because I spent so much time and effort to try to build my list.

I've put a lot of work into it and what's more I try to offer something of value to them. Something that can actually make them money and save them money.

Then I go to all the effort of trying to market it through ads and through forums to get it out to them.

Then I see my list having a steady growth of about 20 people per day but what I find out is that of that 20 people about 10-20% of it use disposable emails or unsubscribe immediately after subscribing.

Don't you simply hate that? I do? It's like they don't appreciate the work and effort or the value you're giving them. Seeing that just gets me so frustrated.

Anyone feel the same with their list? I know it's part of the game but I just feel a bit of frustration when I see people who just want to item. I know I'm offering it free but see I'm offering it FREE. So the least they could do is possibly see what other value I have.

I guess you could take it as the price you pay for the product that I'm offering free is to at least stick on to the list for a week or two and evaluate if it's any value to you.

I'm completely understanding if they leave on the fact of whether they find my list of any value or not but they don't even give me a chance to proof to them that I try my best to offer value to my list.

The worse part is I'm actually offering something that I can easily sell. Something that Can Actually Make them Money, Something that many want! If I was offering another PLR I honestly wouldn't care but if I'm giving away something I could easily sell it just feels as if they are cheating me.

Sorry just a bit of my rant there because I checked into aweber today seeing of my list of only 31 about 4-5 of that either unsubscribe immediately after receiving their bonus or used disposable mails.


Some common disposable mails I see are:
OwlPic.com also known as 10 minute mail
yopMail.com

What is your take on this?

Anyways before you flame me this is just my friendly rant. I am frustrated but no hard feelings lol. It just hurts me to see a good chunk of my list go down the drain after all the work.

Not really meant to offend those who actually do it though, I know they have their reason.

All the Best,
Benjamin
#hate #join #leave #list #people #rant #warning
  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Hi Benjamin,

    I know it's frustrating, but think of it this way...

    Freebie seekers are NOT your target market. And the sooner they leave your list, the sooner you'll enjoy better conversion rates since your list will now be populated with people who are willing, able and eager to spend money with you.

    In other words, consider it a benefit when untargeted people leave your list.

    Cheers,
    Becky
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    • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      Hi Benjamin,

      I know it's frustrating, but think of it this way...

      Freebie seekers are NOT your target market. And the sooner they leave your list, the sooner you'll enjoy better conversion rates since your list will now be populated with people who are willing, able and eager to spend money with you.

      In other words, consider it a benefit when untargeted people leave your list.

      Cheers,
      Becky
      Thanks,
      Yes that is so true and it does make things seem better. I guess our perspective is very important as we all already know.

      However even though those probably aren't the people who I'd want on my list it still feels as if I've wasted my product to some degree. I guess that is the fact because they did get your product. A product of value and the actual payment for it, is being on the list.

      I guess it feels like someone purchasing your product and as soon as they receive it process a chargeback or dispute through paypal.

      But I guess it's always going to be there and we just have to deal with it. Your mentality of it is excellent because after all we can't do anything about those people who already intended just for the freebie and in all honestly as you said they probably affect your list more negatively in terms of conversations.

      Thanks once again.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        I don't see the problem here... You allow them to opt-out, you are giving something away for free, you should know some will never buy a product from you. So whats the big deal, how many guru lists are you on? How many lists have you joined with the intention of never buying? I know I have joined lists with no intention of buying a product off of them, mainly the gurus. It's all part of the game, any information which is sold or given away online is already free else where. I personally don't see the big deal.
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        • Profile picture of the author Neromancer
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          I don't see the problem here... You allow them to opt-out, you are giving something away for free, you should know some will never buy a product from you. So whats the big deal, how many guru lists are you on? How many lists have you joined with the intention of never buying? I know I have joined lists with no intention of buying a product off of them, mainly the gurus. It's all part of the game, any information which is sold or given away online is already free else where. I personally don't see the big deal.
          heh. Ouch. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Hanz
      The only people I have on my list are those who have purchased from me. When they paid for my product, they were given an option to double opt-in on the Thank You page if they wanted notification of more of my future products.
      So I have a decent but small list at the present time which I think is valuable in that nobody on the list was forced in any way to subscribe. They did it out of their own free will. This is a good step in separating the buyers from the freebie seekers I think.
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      • Profile picture of the author secrets2010
        Originally Posted by Hanz View Post

        The only people I have on my list are those who have purchased from me. When they paid for my product, they were given an option to double opt-in on the Thank You page if they wanted notification of more of my future products.
        So I have a decent but small list at the present time which I think is valuable in that nobody on the list was forced in any way to subscribe. They did it out of their own free will. This is a good step in separating the buyers from the freebie seekers I think.
        That's a good strategy but you should also capture the email adress of thoso visitors who don't buy from you....they might take a downsell or you can offer other products...even you can send them to "your adsense sites" you still can monetize those visitors...just my opinion...
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        • Profile picture of the author TravisVOX
          Unsubscribes and opt-outs come with the territory. They're one of those things you just have to get over.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        You have to expect that when giving something away for free. If you promise people something for free, they have no obligation to you once they've collected their free item.

        If you offer me something for a dollar, I give you a dollar and you give me that something. And then we're done. I'm free to purchase from you again if I like, but we've both satisfied our obligations in our agreement by me giving you a dollar and you giving me the something.

        Now, if you offer me something in exchange for an eMail address, then I give you an eMail address and you give me that something. After that, our obligation to one another is complete, unless you had me sign a contract in exchange for that something. I gave you an eMail address and you gave me that something. Once done, maybe I don't use that eMail address anymore. Maybe I unsubscribe. It doesn't really matter because we have already both satisfied our obligations to one another.

        That being said, however, if what you've given me is something of value, I am likely to stay on your list, either for future freebies or perhaps to buy something from you in the future. Even if I don't stay on your list, I still have your contact info from your product (right?) so I can visit your site again in the future when I want more info or to make a purchase.

        Usually, you are going to have two types of people that grab your freebie and don't stay on your list. The first are the freebie hunters. These are generally the more populous. They just want the free info and that's it. Odds are good that the majority of them are never going to put your material into use; they'll just move on to the next freebie. They bring you no value anyway, since they will likely never purchase from you in the future, so why waste a slot on your list for them, especially if you pay by the number of subscribers on your list? The second group are those that will find your info of value and put it to use, but don't see the need to be on your list. That's okay. Again, why waste a slot on them if it's not necessary? They will have your freebie which (hopefully!) has your contact details in it so if they one day find they have outgrown the material (or whatever) and want to look at the next step, they will be able to find you again to possibly make a purchase.

        The bottom line is not to worry about it too much. What you do need to do, though, is more testing in order to reduce the freebie seekers and increase your pool of prospects. If you're attracting too high a percentage of freebie seekers, you may not be advertising in the right places or properly targeting your audience. But, if only 10-20% are unsubscribing right away, that's not too bad. That means 80-90% are sticking around.
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        • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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          Originally Posted by Hanz View Post

          The only people I have on my list are those who have purchased from me. When they paid for my product, they were given an option to double opt-in on the Thank You page if they wanted notification of more of my future products.
          So I have a decent but small list at the present time which I think is valuable in that nobody on the list was forced in any way to subscribe. They did it out of their own free will. This is a good step in separating the buyers from the freebie seekers I think.
          Wow,
          Yeh that sounds like a good plan since those people would probably be more responsive than freebies.

          Most probably have a specific email account for such uses actually that's what I do... I check in once in a while to see what's there but I don't want it flooding my actual inbox.

          I actually have no issues with freebie seekers in fact it's actually a fairly essential when you're starting up with little or no capital. it's just I feel frustrated when people don't give you a chance to proof the value you offer.

          One of my focus is to offer value so As long as they stick around even though they don't purchase anything. I'm not really bothered but when they sign up to get the freebie and leave without even giving it a chance is when I feel as if it's been a waste to offer the value I did.

          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          I don't see the problem here... You allow them to opt-out, you are giving something away for free, you should know some will never buy a product from you. So whats the big deal, how many guru lists are you on? How many lists have you joined with the intention of never buying? I know I have joined lists with no intention of buying a product off of them, mainly the gurus. It's all part of the game, any information which is sold or given away online is already free else where. I personally don't see the big deal.
          Yes definately,
          I know there's no problem here perfectly acceptable just a little bit fustrating especially for someone who is just getting into starting building his list.

          I don't bother if they purchase of not I just want them to give me the opportunity to proof my value and the quality I offer. I know this isn't very good plan wasting up list spaces but I guess it's a personal preference.

          I actually just wanted to use my list to build reputation and show that I offer value trying to build trust before actually trying to market to them.

          I definitely will market to the list eventually but I want to let them give me an opportunity to show that my list isn't another spammer's list requesting for their money.
          Originally Posted by timpears View Post

          Why are you worrying about the 10% to 20% that unsubscribe immediatly instead of the 80% that stick around? You want to weed that list down to just buyers so you don't have to mess around with those that aren't going to make you any money.
          Originally Posted by Neromancer View Post

          heh. Ouch. lol
          Yes that is true,
          I know many people try to weed down their list since it is essentially an expense as well.
          However starting out I'm not too worried about weeding my list yet I just want the opportunity to proof my point and my value as I mentioned earlier.
          I will market to the list but I want to try to do it approximately so it isn't always asking for their money. I know when I see emails after emails of promotions I get frustrated as well.
          Originally Posted by secrets2010 View Post

          That's a good strategy but you should also capture the email adress of thoso visitors who don't buy from you....they might take a downsell or you can offer other products...even you can send them to "your adsense sites" you still can monetize those visitors...just my opinion...
          Good Idea, Just wondering how has this worked out for you thus far? Thanks, I might consider doing that with the suggestion from the other warrior above. Thanks for all the great input.
          Originally Posted by TravisVOX View Post

          Unsubscribes and opt-outs come with the territory. They're one of those things you just have to get over.
          Yeh, I soon realize that.
          You can tell I'm fairly inexperienced at building list. Just had this in my closet. Purchased this code for $100 with resale rights and give away rights but didn't end up using it much.
          So I thought why not give it away and build the so sort after list so I can sell my own product with it...hopefully...eventually.
          Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

          Benjamin, I don;t see why this bothers you.

          You say you get 20 new opt-ins a day and lose 3 or four a day. So you net 16+ people a day. What if you only got 16 people a day total and had no 'drops'? would that make you feel better? It would still be the same amount of work to get them.

          I would completely stop focusing on the 'drops' and only check your new subscribes once a week.
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          Thanks that is a good point.
          As mentioned above I'm not really concerned about weeding my list at this point.
          At this point I am just trying to build my reputation of the list as something different.
          I'm going to use the list for adswap however I'm trying to avoid requesting their money until I can build some trust.
          I know when people ask for my wallet I immediately become more cautious.
          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          You have to expect that when giving something away for free. If you promise people something for free, they have no obligation to you once they've collected their free item.

          If you offer me something for a dollar, I give you a dollar and you give me that something. And then we're done. I'm free to purchase from you again if I like, but we've both satisfied our obligations in our agreement by me giving you a dollar and you giving me the something.

          Now, if you offer me something in exchange for an eMail address, then I give you an eMail address and you give me that something. After that, our obligation to one another is complete, unless you had me sign a contract in exchange for that something. I gave you an eMail address and you gave me that something. Once done, maybe I don't use that eMail address anymore. Maybe I unsubscribe. It doesn't really matter because we have already both satisfied our obligations to one another.

          That being said, however, if what you've given me is something of value, I am likely to stay on your list, either for future freebies or perhaps to buy something from you in the future. Even if I don't stay on your list, I still have your contact info from your product (right?) so I can visit your site again in the future when I want more info or to make a purchase.

          Usually, you are going to have two types of people that grab your freebie and don't stay on your list. The first are the freebie hunters. These are generally the more populous. They just want the free info and that's it. Odds are good that the majority of them are never going to put your material into use; they'll just move on to the next freebie. They bring you no value anyway, since they will likely never purchase from you in the future, so why waste a slot on your list for them, especially if you pay by the number of subscribers on your list? The second group are those that will find your info of value and put it to use, but don't see the need to be on your list. That's okay. Again, why waste a slot on them if it's not necessary? They will have your freebie which (hopefully!) has your contact details in it so if they one day find they have outgrown the material (or whatever) and want to look at the next step, they will be able to find you again to possibly make a purchase.

          The bottom line is not to worry about it too much. What you do need to do, though, is more testing in order to reduce the freebie seekers and increase your pool of prospects. If you're attracting too high a percentage of freebie seekers, you may not be advertising in the right places or properly targeting your audience. But, if only 10-20% are unsubscribing right away, that's not too bad. That means 80-90% are sticking around.
          Thanks,
          Appreciate your suggestion. I'm fairly new to list building as mentioned above I was just trying to build my reputation as a valuable list.

          I know this isn't a very good strategy plan and I'm starting to see the reasons but that was my initial intentions hoping after being able to build some trust that even those freebie seekers might be able to be swayed.

          I want to be give the opportunity to proof my value of the list however I know they have no obligations.

          In regards to your post regarding the exchange of email for a product. Indeed that is perfectly understandable that unless a contract is involved essentially they are free to do as they wish after providing the email.

          Personally I don't like being forced into a certain action so I doubt it would be any use to actually have a contract and as CAN SPAM rules that probably can't be enforced as well.

          However being a newbie with email list seeing that amount of fake disposable email does sink your heart just a slight bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author areaK
      Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

      Hi Benjamin,

      I know it's frustrating, but think of it this way...

      Freebie seekers are NOT your target market. And the sooner they leave your list, the sooner you'll enjoy better conversion rates since your list will now be populated with people who are willing, able and eager to spend money with you.

      In other words, consider it a benefit when untargeted people leave your list.

      Cheers,
      Becky
      Totally agreed. It happens to everyone but as Becky mentioned, at least you're left with the people who are truly interested in what you have to say/sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Why are you worrying about the 10% to 20% that unsubscribe immediatly instead of the 80% that stick around? You want to weed that list down to just buyers so you don't have to mess around with those that aren't going to make you any money.
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    • Profile picture of the author bakergypsygirl
      I completely agree. Focus on what IS working, not on what's not. You'll see more opportunities that way instead of experiencing negative feelings that won't do you any good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Benjamin, I don;t see why this bothers you.

    You say you get 20 new opt-ins a day and lose 3 or four a day. So you net 16+ people a day. What if you only got 16 people a day total and had no 'drops'? would that make you feel better? It would still be the same amount of work to get them.

    I would completely stop focusing on the 'drops' and only check your new subscribes once a week.
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  • Profile picture of the author stask
    I don't know you from Adam but I wonder if your frustration, which others here dismiss, is just a signal from yourself telling you that the product you giveaway (which you claim you can easily sell) might be better off sold rather than given away?

    Apparently you feel you are giving away so much that you feel cheated at times, maybe you might giveaway less valuable (to you) items? Just a thought.
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    • Profile picture of the author BradleyEynon
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      Absolutely not, I don't worry in the slightest when people unsubscribe from my list. The chances are that these people go around jumping from list to list getting free stuff and doing hardly anything with it.

      Focus on your subscribers not on the unsubscribers. Continue giving value to the people that matter and forget the others.

      The whole idea is to have a list of targeted people so that you can build a relationship with these people. Remember that the money is not in the list.. it's in the RELATIONSHIP with the list. Focus on this and you'll soon forget about the unsubcribers, in fact the people that matter will not be unsubscribing.

      Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorkay
    I think the term for this is...

    "Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish"



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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    there freebie seekers, you don't want them on your list anyway, because they will never buy any thing anyway, your not doing your self any favors by getting worked up and wasting time in a forum about it
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    Well, you cannot fight this. You may be getting traffic from
    sources that aren't so good for list retention.

    Also, I usually put freebie offers in everything I put out that
    cycle people back onto my lists. This is easy to do and it
    has the benefit that if your products get shared around,
    they'll build your lists for you anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan700
    Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

    Well,
    I just feel kind of fustrated right now becuase I spent so much time and effort to try to build my list.

    ...what I find out is that of that 20 people about 10-20% of it use disposable emails or unsubscribe immediately after subscribing.

    I'm completely understanding if they leave on the fact of whether they find my list of any value or not but they don't even give me a chance to proof to them that I try my best to offer value to my list.

    Not really meant to offend those who actually do it though, I know they have their reason.

    All the Best,
    Benjamin
    Okay, I am one of those people who sometimes get a free report or ebook and then unsubscribe, BUT, I am not one of those people who purposely get on an email list to get something for nothing. I clicked on your link "FREE VIRAL FBML Code!" in your signature and found the reason why people would subscribe and then opt out.
    It's too complicated!
    You have three text files attached in your email with editable HTML (all standalone files) and another file which seems to be a file that is supposed to tell me how to use these other files but this file has text that is so compressed and the font is so small that my eyes just glaze over that I gave up reading it.

    This is not a criticism but a critique. In order for me to stay on your list you need to have a report or ebook explaining the process step-by-step (hold my hand through it) and then show me how to use the code. Also, use larger font with screenshots to explain everything.

    Just my take!
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by Ryan700 View Post

      Okay, I am one of those people who sometimes get a free report or ebook and then unsubscribe, BUT, I am not one of those people who purposely get on an email list to get something for nothing.
      What exactly is the difference here?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ryan700
        Originally Posted by butters View Post

        What exactly is the difference here?
        I have a reason to unsubscribe. If the content received is good quality or useful I stay subscribed and may later purchase something. If the free content is unreadable, above my abilities or if I am constantly bombarded with offers I unsubscribe - and that is my prerogative to do so.
        I was just giving the OP a little insight as to why someone would unsubscribe so quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    Its a numbers game and the same it every business. Thats like getting angry for people coming into your restaurant looking at the menu and then leaving. Or grabbing a to-go menu but never ordering anything from you. Its just part of the game. Put your blinders on and keep building it.
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    • Profile picture of the author tresfavian
      Sometimes it's like this- let's see what you have to help me. Okay, I either like it or not. I usually stay for awhile to see what else is in store. Then if you are just sending me to other ppl's list for their products and freebies. It gets to be info overload. It's just a matter of weeding out too many items to look over and what it is I am in need of at the time. It's hard not to subscribe when copywrite is real compelling, some of these emails don't really explain what you are subscribing to- so it's kind of automatic, especially when you get these emails everyday to sign up to another's list. I'm trying to cut down
      the info overload and not sign up as much when its just to find out what you might have. It's for different reasons why I may unsubscribe. It goes both ways.
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  • Profile picture of the author secrets2010
    Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

    Well,
    I just feel kind of fustrated right now becuase I spent so much time and effort to try to build my list.

    I've put a lot of work into it and what's more I try to offer something of value to them. Something that can actually make them money and save them money.

    Then I go to all the effort of trying to market it through ads and through forums to get it out to them.

    Then I see my list having a steady growth of about 20 people per day but what I find out is that of that 20 people about 10-20% of it use disposable emails or unsubscribe immediately after subscribing.

    Don't you simply hate that? I do? It's like they don't appreciate the work and effort or the value you're giving them. Seeing that just gets me so frustrated.

    Anyone feel the same with their list? I know it's part of the game but I just feel a bit of frustration when I see people who just want to item. I know I'm offering it free but see I'm offering it FREE. So the least they could do is possibly see what other value I have.

    I guess you could take it as the price you pay for the product that I'm offering free is to at least stick on to the list for a week or two and evaluate if it's any value to you.

    I'm completely understanding if they leave on the fact of whether they find my list of any value or not but they don't even give me a chance to proof to them that I try my best to offer value to my list.

    The worse part is I'm actually offering something that I can easily sell. Something that Can Actually Make them Money, Something that many want! If I was offering another PLR I honestly wouldn't care but if I'm giving away something I could easily sell it just feels as if they are cheating me.

    Sorry just a bit of my rant there because I checked into aweber today seeing of my list of only 31 about 4-5 of that either unsubscribe immediately after receiving their bonus or used disposable mails.


    Some common disposable mails I see are:
    OwlPic.com also known as 10 minute mail
    yopMail.com

    What is your take on this?

    Anyways before you flame me this is just my friendly rant. I am frustrated but no hard feelings lol. It just hurts me to see a good chunk of my list go down the drain after all the work.

    Not really meant to offend those who actually do it though, I know they have their reason.

    All the Best,
    Benjamin
    1 strategy might work would be to offer them a yearly newsletter instead of a report...so they will expect from you training all year...if you just offer 1 book they think that the book is the only thing they going to get...
    if you offer good training they will not unsuscribe...
    just my opinion...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan D
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    The only time I do this is when I feel cheated for giving away my email address for sub-par information. Something to think about.
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Yeah...this is lame, but they probably aren't people you'd want to form lasting relationships with anyway, and be long term customers...
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        Yeah...this is lame, but they probably aren't people you'd want to form lasting relationships with anyway, and be long term customers...
        Seriously, this.

        If people are going to subscibe, grab your thing and unsubscribe, you are not going to magically turn them into customers if they just stick around. Nobody is good enough to make that trick work.

        I have never unsubscribed from a list, but I also don't bother to open most of the emails I get from lists. The OP would be better served worrying about making sure the people who do stay on his list actually open, read and respond to the emails. Worrying about the other stuff is just wasted time and stress.
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        • Profile picture of the author theimdude
          There is another side of the story. Most free stuff offered these days especially in the IM industry offer no real value and just junk. Offer some value and people will stick around that is why disposable emails is of great value.
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          • Profile picture of the author DeadGuy
            It's just a part of doing online business. If you don't like the folks who unsubscribe, you are going to fall in love with the ones who buy, then request an immediate refund (... and you just know somehow they are using your product to make money)!
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            Freebie seekers are just part of the business. They are a small % of your overall business and should not effect your long term profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    What I hate is the most is that most of the members of my forum are alice users. I am getting constant spam. There use to be some variety as in GET RICH CLICK, easy money, casino, parn, rorex reprica. Well, now it is alice all the time and then some.

    I should say "Welcome to Wonderland, please Tweedledumer, stop with the alice spam. No one here wants to buy cheap alice, so one more spam - or, I am sending the mad hatter after you. I heard the red queen yell 'OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!' so you are not wanted in my empire anymore."
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    • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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      Originally Posted by stask View Post

      I don't know you from Adam but I wonder if your frustration, which others here dismiss, is just a signal from yourself telling you that the product you giveaway (which you claim you can easily sell) might be better off sold rather than given away?

      Apparently you feel you are giving away so much that you feel cheated at times, maybe you might giveaway less valuable (to you) items? Just a thought.
      Thanks,
      Yes that could be it. I probably value it too much that when I'm giving it away I look for at least some sense of respect to stay on the list.

      However as I've learn this is just part of the process.

      I don't intend to use it anyways since I'm getting out of the facebook thing now and moving to my own guides and ebooks.

      I wanted to use this as an opportunity to get some sales from my ebook since it fit well.

      As for selling it. It would be fairly difficult to sell it individually sure I'm sure I could sell it for $5-$10 and it was previously sold at $50 but it isn't worth the marketing efforts.

      At least as a freebie what do you need to think about. It's Free lol. So I was hoping I wouldn't have to spend as much time with marketing it but I guess I was wrong.

      I also really want to try to build my list and this fits very well with my intentions for this list.
      Originally Posted by warriorkay View Post

      I think the term for this is...

      "Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish"



      Kingsley
      Thanks,
      True.
      Originally Posted by BradleyEynon View Post

      @humbledmarket

      Absolutely not, I don't worry in the slightest when people unsubscribe from my list. The chances are that these people go around jumping from list to list getting free stuff and doing hardly anything with it.

      Focus on your subscribers not on the unsubscribers. Continue giving value to the people that matter and forget the others.

      The whole idea is to have a list of targeted people so that you can build a relationship with these people. Remember that the money is not in the list.. it's in the RELATIONSHIP with the list. Focus on this and you'll soon forget about the unsubcribers, in fact the people that matter will not be unsubscribing.

      Hope this helps
      Yeh that what seems to the agreement on with all the other experienced warriors here.

      I was actually hoping that if I was able to build a relationship with those freebie seekers eventually perhaps the would learn to trust and turn to customers but I'm guessing from the comments this was just a fat hope?
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      there freebie seekers, you don't want them on your list anyway, because they will never buy any thing anyway, your not doing your self any favors by getting worked up and wasting time in a forum about it
      Thanks,
      I had the wrong perspective initially. I didn't really bother if they were freebie seekers or not I was just trying to build a reputation and trust with my list.

      After reading the comments my perspective has slightly changed.
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      No; honestly I don't hate it at all. They're doing my list-cleaning for me, and I welcome that.

      The people I want on my list are people who want to receive email from me and are going to read it. So I attract people to join my list primarily with what I've written, and I make it clear what sort of emails they'll be getting from me and how often, hoping that people who enjoyed the original articles that attracted them to my site will want more of the same.

      I do give a "free incentive" to collect their email address, it's true, because I think people expect that, but I hope that the ones who stay are staying because they want to hear from me. I'm pleased for the one or two who just wanted the "free gift" and wouldn't open emails from me to unsubscribe as quickly as possible, to be honest.
      Hmm,
      That's a good point but when your list is this small you don't need any spring cleaning for your list.
      You're just trying to focus on increasing the size and building a good relationship with them but this is coming from a newbie list builder.
      Your advice does seem to make sense. I also need to ensure to be concise on my emails to ensure they understand the value and the purpose straight to the point.
      The thing is I'm very creative minded so I sometimes get side track and don't make things as concise as they should be. Something I'm working on though.
      Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

      Well, you cannot fight this. You may be getting traffic from
      sources that aren't so good for list retention.

      Also, I usually put freebie offers in everything I put out that
      cycle people back onto my lists. This is easy to do and it
      has the benefit that if your products get shared around,
      they'll build your lists for you anyway.
      That's a good idea however since mine is a code for facebook fan pages I can't implement this method.
      Originally Posted by Ryan700 View Post

      Okay, I am one of those people who sometimes get a free report or ebook and then unsubscribe, BUT, I am not one of those people who purposely get on an email list to get something for nothing. I clicked on your link "FREE VIRAL FBML Code!" in your signature and found the reason why people would subscribe and then opt out.
      It's too complicated!
      You have three text files attached in your email with editable HTML (all standalone files) and another file which seems to be a file that is supposed to tell me how to use these other files but this file has text that is so compressed and the font is so small that my eyes just glaze over that I gave up reading it.

      This is not a criticism but a critique. In order for me to stay on your list you need to have a report or ebook explaining the process step-by-step (hold my hand through it) and then show me how to use the code. Also, use larger font with screenshots to explain everything.

      Just my take!
      Indeed I'm going to be working on that and fixing it.
      I thought the instructions were fairly reasonable but I might want to consider adding screenshots in the mix.
      As for the initial email I wanted to try to build a relationship but I'm guessing that was a little excessive.
      The files were straight forwarded and labeled though. I provided 3 different version depending on preference.
      Originally Posted by butters View Post

      What exactly is the difference here?
      Originally Posted by rockstarinlife View Post

      Its a numbers game and the same it every business. Thats like getting angry for people coming into your restaurant looking at the menu and then leaving. Or grabbing a to-go menu but never ordering anything from you. Its just part of the game. Put your blinders on and keep building it.
      Yes that is true except when you're reading the menu you aren't taking away anything of real value.
      You also show some real intentions and interest without the mindset to do it for the sake of doing so... usually?
      Originally Posted by Ryan700 View Post

      I have a reason to unsubscribe. If the content received is good quality or useful I stay subscribed and may later purchase something. If the free content is unreadable, above my abilities or if I am constantly bombarded with offers I unsubscribe - and that is my prerogative to do so.
      I was just giving the OP a little insight as to why someone would unsubscribe so quickly.
      I actually don't have much unsubscribes but more disposable emails. I also send out this one offer and intend to do perhaps a two mails per week mostly freebies from other list for adswap and one or two products in the mix.

      I agree though I have to work on the readability ensuring not to over complicate things as we so often do.
      Originally Posted by secrets2010 View Post

      1 strategy might work would be to offer them a yearly newsletter instead of a report...so they will expect from you training all year...if you just offer 1 book they think that the book is the only thing they going to get...
      if you offer good training they will not unsuscribe...
      just my opinion...
      Thanks however it wouldn't work in this situation since it is a code. Additionally I'm offering this because it fits into my purpose of this list so a training wouldn't really be suitable in this situation.
      Originally Posted by tresfavian View Post

      Sometimes it's like this- let's see what you have to help me. Okay, I either like it or not. I usually stay for awhile to see what else is in store. Then if you are just sending me to other ppl's list for their products and freebies. It gets to be info overload. It's just a matter of weeding out too many items to look over and what it is I am in need of at the time. It's hard not to subscribe when copywrite is real compelling, some of these emails don't really explain what you are subscribing to- so it's kind of automatic, especially when you get these emails everyday to sign up to another's list. I'm trying to cut down
      the info overload and not sign up as much when its just to find out what you might have. It's for different reasons why I may unsubscribe. It goes both ways.
      So what do you look for in a list. I thought if I offer more freebies although from other lists it would still be of some value.

      I haven't sent out any other email than the opening email with the code and introduction yet though.
      Originally Posted by Ryan D View Post

      The only time I do this is when I feel cheated for giving away my email address for sub-par information. Something to think about.
      Hello,
      The thing is the unsubscribe isn't the issue it's more the disposable email. I also know that this code is fairly valuable and profitable.
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      Yeah...this is lame, but they probably aren't people you'd want to form lasting relationships with anyway, and be long term customers...
      That is true, but I mean even if they were freebies seekers although the chances aren't high. IF they stay on there is still a chance but I guess no point fretting over those.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    So what.

    Segment unsubscribers into a deadpool and charge them double when they decide to buy.

    No, not really. That was me being facetious.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    Don't worry about it. It's just human nature...
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    I'll get something and then quickly unsubscribe - and I'll tell you why:

    Because the 'freebie' used to create the list was UTTER CRAP.

    Are you delivering value? Are you regurgitating generic junk you found somewhere else?

    What is most important: Are you trying to give the prospect value - or are you trying to create a list?

    Here's the brutal truth ...

    There's a zillion lists in the IM field. Everyone has one, a few, maybe more. No one has time to read them all. So you'd better step it up. And whining on the forum isn't going to get you any subscribers.

    Here's another brutal truth ...

    People are tired of getting spammed. If people could sign up for a list and know they would be taken off if requested, and not have their email sold, then they wouldn't have to resort to owlwhatever was mentioned.

    I ALWAYS use a unique email to subscribe to lists. Guess what. Just last night I signed up for a big-name marketer's list, who was recommended by another big-name marketer. This was last night and I'm already getting pounded with multiple messages to that address. None of which has an opt-out option or even tries to comply with the anti-spam laws.

    Right now, I'm just collecting the messages and fraudulent advertising to send a nice juicy package to the FTC.

    The spam problem may not be your fault. But it is our reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author da1fitz
    Hi humbledmarket, just clicked on your FBML link - read through your offer and closed the page - (maybe cause I'm a programmer and thought that your link was pointing to something new and clever like aiml for instance (artificial intelligence mark up language)..
    Dunno what fbml is but wasn't inclined to find out - maybe you could explain what this means, what it is and maybe how its gonna help me .

    Just an observation and certainly not a dig..
    Be successful and be happy..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mao Flynn
    I can see your frustration Ben,

    But in truth these people are just 'freebie hunters' and so you are better off with out them

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    • Profile picture of the author adamv
      I feel like a terrible person now. I went to Costco last weekend and ate a few of the free samples but I didn't buy the bbq sauce or the microwave mini corn dogs they were selling. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Everything that needed to be said has been said (which is why I love this
        place so much) so...I got nuthin.

        @Becky - Anybody ever tell you that you're really smart?
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      • Profile picture of the author theimdude
        Originally Posted by adamv View Post

        I feel like a terrible person now. I went to Costco last weekend and ate a few of the free samples but I didn't buy the bbq sauce or the microwave mini corn dogs they were selling. :confused:
        That is disgusting you freebie seeker
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by slimjim2010 View Post

      Op, so don't make it Free.

      Charge them $1, or better yet go Walmart on their Arse & charge $0.97

      That will weed out all the empty pocket, window shopping, time wasting (well you get the idea ).

      So what If PayPal, etc... gets most of that $0.97, the point is to narrow down who has money.

      A window shopper won't pay $0.97 for anything...
      I have tried this method and it works wonders.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground SEO
    I know how annoying it must feel, but regardless they are completely within their right to do that. Also it will benefit you in the future from them leaving as the chances are they wouldn't buy anything anyway!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tomwood
    If your product truly has some value stop giving it away. get the rapid action profits script and sell though and army of affiliates and pay them 100% commission.

    This way you will have a list of actual buyers and you can grow your list much faster if you have a package that appeals to both affiliates and customers
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    There are good reasons for using a disposable email address. You don't know the marketer if you're not on his/her list already, so you don't know if you can trust the person. You could sign up one day, and have your address sold, and be getting dozens of spam emails withing a few days. When that happens, you just delete the email address. Problem solved simply, permanently, and with minimal frustration.

    When someone provides content a person wants to keep receiving, they may sign up later with their real email address after you've passed their tests. So some of the new subscribers could be old subscribers giving you real information the second time.

    All email addresses are throwaway anyway. I can delete and create a new email address for my domains in seconds, and I can have my ISP email address changed with a quick phone call...well, semi-quick at least.
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    You shouldn't get all pissed off about this, Benjamin.

    It's a part of the process. There are always freebie seekers
    who never give credit-they just take stuff to take it.

    Either way, the faster they are gone from your list the better since
    you're left with those who trust you and want what you have to offer
    them.

    Yes, I understand how frustrating it must be to invest time and money into
    building your list only to see a part of that list vanish instantly, but hey... it's just
    the way things work in the IM world...

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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

    I've put a lot of work into it and ......
    That's the entitlement mentality - the world owes me a living, etc.

    When people Join your List Just for What they Want
    Seriously - why else would anyone join your list. The world doesn't owe you a favour.
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  • Profile picture of the author Winlin
    Anyone feel the same with their list? I know it's part of the game but I just feel a bit of frustration when I see people who just want to item. I know I'm offering it free but see I'm offering it FREE. So the least they could do is possibly see what other value I have.
    If your expectation is that they "SHOULD" become part of your list and involve themselves in your marketing campaign then your intention is not actually to give it away for free, is it?

    Free means no strings attached. Of course, you offer for free and "HOPE" some will by into the rest of your program so that you can now try to sell to them.

    I guess you could take it as the price you pay for the product that I'm offering free is to at least stick on to the list for a week or two and evaluate if it's any value to you.
    They accepted your gracious offer of a free item, not your offer to stick around and read your e-mails for two weeks.

    If that's the expectation then the offer should be': "I will give you this report if you stick around for two weeks and read my emails".

    Ever take a time share organization up on their free weekend package? You expected a restful, free stay at their lodgings and in return the time shares expectation is that you would sit through their seminars while they explain to you why you should sign up, which is not quite emphasized in the offering.(many of those org's have changed their approach and expectations)

    Not everyone will believe you have anything else to offer them, not everyone will be interested in hearing another word. Many people just want the free package. "SOME" will like what they hear and see and want to know more.

    I'm completely understanding if they leave on the fact of whether they find my list of any value or not but they don't even give me a chance to proof to them that I try my best to offer value to my list.
    You and a 100,000 other marketers, so who do they give their time and money to? Should every marketer have the same expectation, or just you?

    The worse part is I'm actually offering something that I can easily sell. Something that Can Actually Make them Money, Something that many want! If I was offering another PLR I honestly wouldn't care but if I'm giving away something I could easily sell it just feels as if they are cheating me.
    Rule of sales: When you give something away for free the value to the recipient is exactly what you charge for it. You cannot expect it to have any additional worth even if the recipient gains a benefit. Alternatively when you give it as a "Bonus" you are adding value to the offering you are selling.

    Just curious is the free item so unique, it's not available elsewhere for free? Keeping in mind information worded or packaged differently is the same information.

    I hope I've not sounded too harsh here. By profession I'm a sales exec. and everything I've said here I've said face to face with the dozens of sales people I've tutored over the years.

    Marketing and Sales are two different animals and if you are using the freebie to market that's wonderful, but be sure of what you can really expect to get in return. If I take a client out to a "Free" lunch are they now obligated to have another meeting with me? Have they signed a contract to listen to the rest of my story?

    You cannot expect everyone to want to buy something from you or even to continue communicating with you. If it's a large account and your market is small you will continue every effort to continue communication.

    If in a case such as internet marketing where your market is huge and your accounts are small you use a shot gun approach and don't not exhaust much effort on any individual sale (typically).

    It's already been said: "It's a numbers game" it's important to understand and react to your numbers, numbers won't understand and react to you.

    Focus on what is working and rework what is not and if what you are doing is correct your numbers will reflect that. "IMHO"
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  • Profile picture of the author grayambition
    We give people free stuff in hopes of getting them to sign up for our lists. And then we get upset when people actually take the free stuff.

    We call them "freebie seekers." We say they'll never be successful, they're just losers, screw 'em, they aren't your customers anyway, they don't get it, etc., etc.

    Clue. Give people something for free and they'll take it. Some of them'll see all the other wonderful stuff you have to offer; some of 'em won't.

    My local grocery store just had a coupon for a free jar of mayo (30 oz., not a skimpy little jar). No other purchase required. Of course, most people came in to get the mayo and, while they were there, did the rest of their shopping. But I'm sure some came in just to get the mayo. They didn't even look at the other merchandise or check to see what else might be on sale. And I'm sure the store knew that would happen with a certain percentage of people. It's a cost/benefit thing.

    So. Give something away for free. People will take it. Some people will end up being your customers. Some won't. If you do it right, enough of them will become your customers that it's worth it to you to give away the free stuff.

    Continue to provide value through your mailing list, and fewer will opt out. If fewer opt out, those who are left may eventually buy stuff.

    Seems simple enough to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      REALITY CHECK:
      If this really bothers you that much you are in the wrong business.
      And what is with all the people bashing "freebie seekers".
      You are offering something for free so people will take it. Just because they don't want to buy anything off you later or even stick around to see what you are selling is no reason to bash these people and refer to them as losers etc. As already mentioned some are just tired of the Spam that comes along with joining an unknown list.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        For the folks who mentioned the value of the giveaway, you may not be seeing the thing from a very "real world" perspective.

        Yes, some people will base their decision about staying subscribed on the quality of the incentive. They are not the majority. Most of the people who sign up for whatever free thing you're offering haven't even looked at it before they unsubscribe. That has always been the case.

        For those who wonder how I can say that with any certainty, consider: I give away a 100+ page book when people sign up for my newsletter. Unless there are a lot more really fast readers out there than I think, it's unlikely that they've managed to download and read the book in the typical 2-5 minutes these folks take between confirming and unsubscribing.
        Just because they don't want to buy anything off you later or even stick around to see what you are selling is no reason to bash these people and refer to them as losers etc. As already mentioned some are just tired of the Spam that comes along with joining an unknown list.
        I agree that it's unwise to dismiss them as losers, but I also tend to think they're unlikely to do anything useful with the info.

        That said, the idea that being tired of spam is the cause is just silly. That would explain the use of tagged or throwaway addresses to some extent, but it's got nothing to do with unsubscribing. If someone is going to spam you, they're not concerned with whether you rescind your permission. They've got the email address.


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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      You are looking at things from your side of the table. You know what you put into your freebie. You have an idea of its value.

      Come over to my side of the table. I don't know you from Adam's off ox. I don't know that you put more into your offer than the time it takes to steal a package from someone else or buy some crappy PLR pack I already have under five different names. I'm not accusing you - I don't know you.

      So I feel no obligation to let you try to sell me stuff. I don't know you, I don't have to face you, I just don't give a rat's ass. So I pay the price for what is essentially a sample, then duck out the side door.

      It's not personal. I don't know you well enough for it to be personal. And while you are stewing over me ducking out, I'm on my merry way.

      I'm not saying I never share your frustration. I'm saying that spending more than a few seconds indulging it is counterproductive. It hands your power over to someone who doesn't even know they have it.

      Like the guy who cuts you off in traffic...

      If you spend the rest of the day fuming over the idiot on the road, it won't affect him at all. But it may mess up your whole day.

      Hopefully, posting this rant will get it out of your system so you can move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author King Shiloh
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    To me, every site visitor is a potential customer. Those looking for freebies may repent and start looking for what to buy.
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    • Profile picture of the author theimdude
      Originally Posted by King Shiloh View Post

      To me, every site visitor is a potential customer. Those looking for freebies may repent and start looking for what to buy.
      Not sure why people looking for freebies are called losers, people that don't buy, cleaning up your list and now sinner that need to repent

      Maybe those giving away these "free product" must do a little effort in changing the content so that the reader of your content will have many ways to come back to your site to want to stay subscribed to your list.

      Add a last chapter in the ebook offering different resources that will bring those that unsubscribed from your list will come back
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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    That said, the idea that being tired of spam is the cause is just silly.
    How so? I'm tired of spam.

    My junk email account that I use for the exact purpose the OP is complaining about is under a constant assault of junk email.

    If somebody is offering something for free I may want to check it out. This doesn't mean I want to be their buddy or ever hear from them again.

    If I liked what I downloaded for free, I can return to that site and see what else they might have to offer.

    Chances are, whatever I downloaded for free is going to be packed with sales pitches and affiliate links anyway so I don't need to be further pursued with "hey buddy, you need to take a look at this" emails until the end of time.

    The only reason people are offering a free product is to get people on a list.

    The only reason people are building lists is to use that list as a sales tool.

    Then they get a poopy face when the person who might of been interested in a free product has no desire to purchase anything from them and opts out of a list.

    I guess I should be angry if somebody has the audacity to visit my site an not purchase anything. Damn freeloaders.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Jason,

      You may want to re-read my post. You've seriously misinterpreted what I said.


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  • Profile picture of the author jasonmorgan
    What I wrote wasn't directed completely at what you had written and was a general response to what a lot of people are complaining about.

    I do think that people are growing wiser to the "get something free... all it takes is an email" IM strategy.

    It's not a no-strings attached agreement and eventually more sales emails will follow. Some marketers are responsible while others completely abuse their lists.

    It eliminates future headaches to just hit the opt out of the list link as soon as you get the first confirmation email.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Jason,
      I do think that people are growing wiser to the "get something free... all it takes is an email" IM strategy.
      There are people who use it incorrectly, sure. I don't even bother to count the number of places asking for email addresses any more that don't mention that you're signing up for a list. Nasty bit of business, that.

      A bunch of people will say, "If they don't know they're signing up for a list, they're morons." To those people, I say "No, they are not." They're inexperienced, which is not at all the same thing. And if you're using a sign-up system that doesn't mention that they're subscribing to something, you're knowingly taking advantage of that inexperience. That is somewhere between irresponsible and sleazy.
      It's not a no-strings attached agreement and eventually more sales emails will follow.
      A proper subscription page makes it clear that the deal is not "no strings attached." It will make sure people know it's an incentive for subscribing.

      Complaining about that is akin to griping that a "buy one, get one free" offer isn't "no strings attached." Of course it isn't. No-one ever said it was.

      What you call "strings," I call an offer of exchange. And yes, that wording matters. Whenever anyone expects something of value without "strings," they're displaying an entitlement mentality.

      That's become all too common in this business.


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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Russell
    Just my thoughts, but we build up an online culture that revolves around freebies and giveaways, and then get mad at the people who take us up on our offers?

    If you feel the product you're giving away is too valuable for people who simply take it and run, why not offer a different version of the product - maybe one or two chapters, or a summary version that promotes the complete copy that you sell elsewhere?
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      To the Original Poster: freebie seekers aside, you have to remember that your prospects don't OWE you anything. You're the seller, so the onus is on you to give them a reason to WANT to stay on your list.

      Like other people said above, you're going to have unsubscribes and people who have no intention of ever opening another email from you no matter what you do. BUT....taking the attitude that you've created something that (you think) has a lot of value, so people should give you a chance isn't helpful. People don't really care about how much work you've put into your products EXCEPT to the extent that it helps them get what THEY want. It's not people's job to give you the time of day, it's YOUR job to convince them of why they should.

      Appeal to people's self-interest, not their reciprocity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Excellent advise, Sarah...
      Originally Posted by Sarah Russell View Post

      Just my thoughts, but we build up an online culture that revolves around freebies and giveaways, and then get mad at the people who take us up on our offers?

      If you feel the product you're giving away is too valuable for people who simply take it and run, why not offer a different version of the product - maybe one or two chapters, or a summary version that promotes the complete copy that you sell elsewhere?
      Here's another twist on that same thought process.

      If your product has value - put a price on it. Instead of an incentive for subscribers, use it as your front-end offer.

      Then let your affiliates sell it at 100% commission.

      If their lists are made up of "freebie seekers", let them keep those. You capture the paid customers onto a "buyers list", and that becomes the top of your sales funnel. You mail only to proven buyers, and make your monies on back-end sales.

      Even though your affiliates get all the front-end cash, you're not out a penny (you were giving that away, before).

      You might have to increase the value of your "freebie" just a little to create more value in the front-end product, but you wind up with a "buyers list" rather than "freebie seekers", and can target subsequent sales to that market (and your affiliates will gladly mail their lists with those offers, too).
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    I never use my main email account to sign up for any lists. The only time I use my main email account is when I buy something online from a trusted source such as Microsoft, Apple, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    I used to get bummed out but now
    I include many Viral bonuses and have
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  • Profile picture of the author electronik69
    I use disposable emails for the warrior forum sign ups if i didn't i would be getting like 1000 emails a day. Yer i am a freebie seeker, because i am smart enough not to pay for information is that a crime?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheNewGuy2010
    You have got to be kidding me?!


    WOW.......is all I can say.







    Originally Posted by humbledmarket View Post

    EDIT:
    I just wanted to point out I understand that this comes as part of the business and people don't have any obligations when signing up for something "free".
    This was just a friendly post to generate a conversation.

    I have no hard feelings in anyway when people leave me list and I just wrote this post casually and then moved on; didn't expect such a response

    lol I guess it's good and bad considering this post is constantly active my signatures get notice as well but people don't seem to like it much. I guess it's true that if you post something controversial it will get greater notice and views as to posting the norm. Something for me to consider...

    Thanks for reading
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    Well,
    I just feel kind of frustrated right now because I spent so much time and effort to try to build my list.

    I've put a lot of work into it and what's more I try to offer something of value to them. Something that can actually make them money and save them money.

    Then I go to all the effort of trying to market it through ads and through forums to get it out to them.

    Then I see my list having a steady growth of about 20 people per day but what I find out is that of that 20 people about 10-20% of it use disposable emails or unsubscribe immediately after subscribing.

    Don't you simply hate that? I do? It's like they don't appreciate the work and effort or the value you're giving them. Seeing that just gets me so frustrated.

    Anyone feel the same with their list? I know it's part of the game but I just feel a bit of frustration when I see people who just want to item. I know I'm offering it free but see I'm offering it FREE. So the least they could do is possibly see what other value I have.

    I guess you could take it as the price you pay for the product that I'm offering free is to at least stick on to the list for a week or two and evaluate if it's any value to you.

    I'm completely understanding if they leave on the fact of whether they find my list of any value or not but they don't even give me a chance to proof to them that I try my best to offer value to my list.

    The worse part is I'm actually offering something that I can easily sell. Something that Can Actually Make them Money, Something that many want! If I was offering another PLR I honestly wouldn't care but if I'm giving away something I could easily sell it just feels as if they are cheating me.

    Sorry just a bit of my rant there because I checked into aweber today seeing of my list of only 31 about 4-5 of that either unsubscribe immediately after receiving their bonus or used disposable mails.


    Some common disposable mails I see are:
    OwlPic.com also known as 10 minute mail
    yopMail.com

    What is your take on this?

    Anyways before you flame me this is just my friendly rant. I am frustrated but no hard feelings lol. It just hurts me to see a good chunk of my list go down the drain after all the work.

    Not really meant to offend those who actually do it though, I know they have their reason.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    It's not about YOU its about them! Subscribers dont care how much work you do to promote your list they only care about how they can benefit from your list.

    Its a complete waste of time getting mad about this.

    Your list will consist of the following:

    - Happy Subscribers
    - Angry Subscribers
    - Subscribers who opt out after getting gift
    - Subscribers who buy
    - Subscribers who never buy
    - Subscribers who keep asking you questions
    -Subscribers who never give you feedback

    Just enjoy the ones who buy and dont complain and ignore the rest
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