Any way to find total sales volume for product on Clickbank?

14 years ago

Gixxer

This may be what you are looking for CBENGINE - ClickBank Marketplace, Preferred by ClickBank Affiliates

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

In a word, no. You will never be able to get accurate sales statistics for
any item sold at Clickbank.

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gixxer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

In a word, no. You will never be able to get accurate sales statistics for
any item sold at Clickbank.

Any advice on how to proceed? Seems like a leap of faith to optimize blog posts for traffic if it doesn't sell...

gixxer

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gixxer

Any advice on how to proceed? Seems like a leap of faith to optimize blog posts for traffic if it doesn't sell...

gixxer

You can get a general idea but the problem with Clickbank is that all the
stats can be manipulated, misleading or both.

Let's take gravity because that's the one that most affiliate marketers use
as a benchmark for how well a product is selling.

Many merchants will launch the product with multiple affiliate IDs promoting
it as well as offering the product to a massive list where many of the people
on it will buy the product using their own ID. This can shoot a Clickbank
gravity up to over 300 or more overnight.

Then, other affiliates see the product with a high gravity at the
marketplace and start promoting it, having no idea if the product really
sells well at all.

What then happens, in many cases, is that over time, that gravity will
stay at 300 or more but each affiliate registering a sale within the 90
day period is maybe making 2 or 3 sales at most.

You get the appearance that the product sells well but ultimately, when
you go to sell it yourself, you find that you're not making anywhere near
as many sales as you expected.

Naturally, there are exceptions. Problem is, you can't tell what they are
simply by the stats as a 300 gravity product that sells well per affiliate
looks the same in the marketplace as a 300 gravity product that sells like
crap and might even have a ton of refunds.

Now, many people think you can find out how many refunds by looking
at the $ per sale and comparing it to the sale price. Problem is, many
merchants have multiple products under their ID and/or have changed
the price of the product over time. So you can't really rely on that figure
to give you a true reflection of refunds.

I could keep going with all the other Clickbank stats but I think you get
the idea.

Ultimately, what you do is look at the sales page, see if it looks well
written, test out a small campaign with either PPC or whatever your
promotion of choice is, and see how it goes.

If you're looking for some kind of bullseye that says "Promote this product,
it's a winner" you have a very long wait.

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gixxer

14 years ago

Very helpful, Steven. Thank you!

The product actually has a pretty low gravity. It's got a well done sales page and fits my niche PERFECTLY. I'm actually considering buying it for myself to see how good it is.

I was hoping to get an idea of how well the sales page converted or what kind of sales volume it had...

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timpears

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gixxer

I was hoping to get an idea of how well the sales page converted or what kind of sales volume it had...
gixxer

Why not just ask the publisher? There are only three answers you can get. The truth, a lie, or no response. You are no worse off than you are now by asking. It might just give you an insight into how well it sells. I have done this myself a number of times and more times than not I get a response. And if they tell me that it is not selling as well as we had hoped, but we are working on the sales page to improve that, then I am fairly sure that they are being straight with me.

Picking a low gravity score is a good idea, that way you are not competing with the masses of affiliates. If the sales page looks good, and has no holes in it, then you probably have a winner.

If you don't understand 'holes' that is a method for the publisher to collect email addresses to follow up with and possibly cut you out as the referring partner. There are other things as well, but that is the big one in my opinion.

Check out posts by Alexa Smith. She is one of the most knowledgeable people when it comes to promoting Clickbank products. You have already heard from Steven Wags, another fellow who knows his stuff. Pay attention to him, and look up posts from Alexa.

Good luck.

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gixxer

14 years ago

Thanks very much, Tim!

There actually is a mailing list opt in at the top of the sales page. I wondered about that! So that could potentially take me out of the loop as a referring partner...

Any advice on contacting the publisher? I haven't found any contact information. I HAVE however reached out to my network to try to get an intro to the author. That's the beauty of being in a small niche and being part of the community..

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timpears

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gixxer

Thanks very much, Tim!

There actually is a mailing list opt in at the top of the sales page. I wondered about that! So that could potentially take me out of the loop as a referring partner...

Any advice on contacting the publisher? I haven't found any contact information. I HAVE however reached out to my network to try to get an intro to the author. That's the beauty of being in a small niche and being part of the community..

gixxer

Sorry, I should have elaborated better.

I look for a contact link at the bottom of the page. If there is one I use it to send a message to them. If not, then I go do a whois look up and hope that it is not a private registration. But even if it is, I send a message to the email listed. Probably 75% of the time I get a response that is pretty positive. Remember, they want you to sell as many of their product as they can.

If they don't respond, then you probably don't want to promote their product anyway as they don't have good customer service. But who knows, it is a judgement call at best.

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lehhugh 13 years ago

Hi Steven,

How are you doing? Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving with friends and family. I was wondering if you could help find out a rough sale number for a product at modulrcase. com and zoogue . com.

I appreciate your help.
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gixxer 14 years ago

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John Wilkes

14 years ago

I assume they tell the people on their list, if they buy with their own affiliate id they get a discount (equal to the affiliate commision).
Just one question, are these methods breaking clickbank's TOS?

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Steven Wagenheim

14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Wilkes

I assume they tell the people on their list, if they buy with their own affiliate id they get a discount (equal to the affiliate commision).
Just one question, are these methods breaking clickbank's TOS?

Actually, no. Clickbank allows you to buy products using your own ID.

However, you won't get the commission unless you've made a certain
number of sales on your own. I think it is 5 but don't quote me on that.

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

However, you won't get the commission unless you've made a certain number of sales on your own. I think it is 5 but don't quote me on that.

It's not number of sales - it's number of customers. You need to make five sales with different payment methods, and PayPal doesn't count. While theoretically these could all be one guy with different credit and debit cards, it's overwhelmingly more likely for it to be five people.
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Matt.Lake

14 years ago

Hey Gixxer,

Here's what I do to get a VERY estimated idea of the volume of sales a product is making.

I'll make an educated guess as to what the conversion rate for the product might be. Clickbank products tend to be around 1 - 2% but obviously this can vary tremendously. Often times, on the affiliate page the vendor will state their average conversion rate... but again, this will obviously vary.

Then just head over to Quantcast, and see a very estimated figure of the traffic the site's getting.

Then put two and two together.

So if the site is getting roughly 10,000 uniques a month and you think it's converting at around 1%, then they're making around 100 sales a month.

Again, I know this is VERY estimated, but it can give you some sort of an idea.

If the site is getting around 50,000 visitors a month then you can be sure they've got a pretty good sales volume compared to if they are only getting a few hundred visitors a month.

It will give you a ball park figure to play with.

P.S. I'm a Triumph fan myself. Can't beat the Daytona :-)

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gixxer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Matt.Lake

Hey Gixxer,

Here's what I do to get a VERY estimated idea of the volume of sales a product is making.

I'll make an educated guess as to what the conversion rate for the product might be. Clickbank products tend to be around 1 - 2% but obviously this can vary tremendously. Often times, on the affiliate page the vendor will state their average conversion rate... but again, this will obviously vary.

Then just head over to Quantcast, and see a very estimated figure of the traffic the site's getting.

Then put two and two together.

So if the site is getting roughly 10,000 uniques a month and you think it's converting at around 1%, then they're making around 100 sales a month.

Again, I know this is VERY estimated, but it can give you some sort of an idea.

If the site is getting around 50,000 visitors a month then you can be sure they've got a pretty good sales volume compared to if they are only getting a few hundred visitors a month.

It will give you a ball park figure to play with.

P.S. I'm a Triumph fan myself. Can't beat the Daytona :-)

Thanks for the advice, man! Going to try that now.

As far as Triumph, nice bikes. I can't get past the 3 cylinder thing though!

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Mo Muller

14 years ago

Good advice steven, well done

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DrGUID

14 years ago

I think you have to rely on your own instincts, the MarketPlace stats are misleading.

My best affiliate product was something with low gravity, but it is a cool product in a niche I hadn't even thought existed.

My own eBook has a low score but it's mainly because most of my sales have been direct rather than through affiliates.

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