Don't Teach People How To Make Money On A .info domain...

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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi IMheadlines,

.coms are easier for people to remember, so even if there would be no difference in the conversion rate, .coms will still be worth it since when people remember a websites name, normally they will type it in with a .com in the end.

Perhaps they do 'normally', but it's worth considering that many people just type 'thephrase' - without any extension, into the address bar - and then the default search engine decides who to present at number one spot (or just sends you there) - it would appear that the site that is most likely to be the one best representing that phrase (in the opinion of the SE) wins - regardless of the extension.

If someone remembered a domain from somewhere, but had no idea of the extension - are they more likely to try dot com or leave it extensionless?

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Sipboy3000

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I keep seeing this again & again. Today I was browsing
on twitter and stumbled upon a profile of a person
that claimed he's a millionaire from internet
marketing.

I check out his website (which sells an IM product)
and it's a .info domain.

Are you serious? I truly don't know if I should cry or laugh
at something like this.

If you really are rich then you won't bother with a .info domain,
unless you own the .com domain and want to buy all the tlds.

Don't use .info domains if you're going to set up a website
that teaches people how to make money. It's a total turn
off.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I see something
like this is:

"So this guy is rich and he can't even afford a $9 domain?"

.info domains look highly unprofessional.

Use .coms, they're the best domains, and if you think that it's
not worth it to invest $9 for your success, then forget setting up
a business, and go get a 9-5.

Cheers,
Johnny

LOL!

I saw someone the other day with a similar story.

Using a .info domain and claiming to be a millionaire Internet Marketer.

I laughed because it was funny.

On the other hand, a quick search revealed everything I needed to know about this guy and I can tell he is a fake.

I feel sorry for anyone who takes advice from this guy.

People like this is what gives our community a black eye.

And yes, I also agree that it looks unprofessional if you are using it for branding your image.

My 2 cents

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Karen Blundell

14 years ago

yet we tell people to build sites on free places all the time: Blogger, WordPress.com. Squidoo, Weebly...etc...

maybe his .info site is a backlink to his main site?
the .info tld is perfect for informational sites so if his site is a informational site about making money, I see nothing wrong with this.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

I dont think you know the whole story here.

Is this his MAIN site?

You know that many marketers use *.info - there is nothing wrong with it, and honestly, no one cares once your .info is #1 in Google.

Go type "traffic ultimatum" in Google. Doubt he is making lots of money?

Reasons to take info:

If *.com is taken you can get a .info and use "exact keyword domain" for rankings, provided its still available.

I take .info over .biz any day provided the .com is taken. I also dont thnik that *.info would be worse than .org

Yes, it's his MAIN site. The .com was available.

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John Atkins 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Karen Blundell

the .info tld is perfect for informational sites so if his site is a informational site about making money, I see nothing wrong with this.

Did you read my OP?

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I check out his website (which sells an IM product)
and it's a .info domain.

A product that supposedly teaches you how he became
a millionaire... :rolleyes:

And I'll say it again, the .com was available.
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- Karen Blundell 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by IM Headlines
  
  Did you read my OP?
  
  A product that supposedly teaches you how he became
  a millionaire... :rolleyes:
  
  And I'll say it again, the .com was available.
  
  yes, I read your OP, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you.
  just like Caliban (CDarklock) posted I buy .info tld's if I want certain keywords in the domain name and the .com or .net are not available.
  
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AndrewCavanagh 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sipboy3000

People like this is what gives our community a black eye.

I'm curious about how you give a community a black eye...lol.
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GeorgR.

14 years ago

I dont think you know the whole story here.

Is this his MAIN site?

You know that many marketers use *.info - there is nothing wrong with it, and honestly, no one cares once your .info is #1 in Google.

Go type "traffic ultimatum" in Google. Doubt he is making lots of money?

Reasons to take info:

If *.com is taken you can get a .info and use "exact keyword domain" for rankings, provided its still available.

I take .info over .biz any day provided the .com is taken. I also dont thnik that *.info would be worse than .org

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ninja_va

14 years ago

Just read a quote on WF

"People who don't know - teach"

Sadly, open source and social media have unintentionally ended up lowering the barrier to entry to such an extent that we suddenly have these thousands of fake IM millionaires, fake social media experts, fake seo experts and fake IM gurus.

I'd tweet @ the ".info millionaire" to spend 10 bucks on getting a .com TLD and a few bucks more on books like "All Marketeers are Liars" by Seth Godin

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LB

14 years ago

Why even bother checking?

If someone feels the need to say, "I'm a millionaire!" on Twitter, their credibility is pretty much over the moment I read that.

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GeorgR. 14 years ago

Originally Posted by LB

Why even bother checking?

If someone feels the need to say, "I'm a millionaire!" on Twitter, their credibility is pretty much over the moment I read that.

You would be surprised...why do you think every guru and their mama uses those teaser-lines?
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JayPeete

14 years ago

I'm with you Johnny. Amateur!

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paulie888

14 years ago

If you're selling an IM product and your main site is a .info domain, your credibility will definitely be put in question, and if you're going to put all that effort into getting your site ranked no. 1 in Google and elsewhere, is it really worth the risk just to save the $8 or so (from not buying the .com domain)?

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Shannon Herod

14 years ago

Here's one important thing that you need to note...

You found this link on twitter. Is it possible that the .info is a tracking link? So he can see what traffic he is getting from twitter?

There could be 1000 possibilities on why that particular product owner is using a .info domain. Could this be someone that cannot afford a regular domain? Maybe. But could this be a legit business that is tracking their traffic through a .info domain name? Could be. You'll never know unless you do more research.

That's like saying all tall people are good at basketball because you know a tall person that's good a basketball. You need more information to judge whether that person is good at basketball or not.

Just because you think .info names are used because the person cannot afford a .com domain name does not mean that it is a truth across the board.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Shannon Herod

Here's one important thing that you need to note...

You found this link on twitter. Is it possible that the .info is a tracking link? So he can see what traffic he is getting from twitter?

There could be 1000 possibilities on why that particular product owner is using a .info domain. Could this be someone that cannot afford a regular domain? Maybe. But could this be a legit business that is tracking their traffic through a .info domain name? Could be. You'll never know unless you do more research.

It doesn't matter what the reason behind buying
a .info was.

The conversion rate will get lower if you sell
an IM product on a .info domain. That was my
point.

Me, and several other people will close the salespage
immediately if it's on a .info domain. So why not sell
the product on a .com domain to make more sales.

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George Wright

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Me, and several other people will close the salespage
immediately if it's on a .info domain. So why not sell
the product on a .com domain to make more sales.

On the other hand me and several other people don't care. And both of our groups are not even a speck of dust in the sea of buyers on the internet.

George Wright

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

On the other hand me and several other people don't care. And both of our groups are not even a speck of dust in the sea of buyers on the internet.

George Wright

So you're saying it doesn't make a difference whether you sell
an IM product on a .info or .com?

Well it does...

Even if a .com gets you only one more sale in a years time,
it would still be worth it if you earn more than $9 per sale.

Why the heck would you want to use a .info anyway, to save
$8 a year? jeez.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Why the heck would you want to use a .info anyway, to save $8 a year? jeez.

To get the exact keywords you want in your domain.

mykeywordphrase.com - taken.
mykeywordphrase.net - taken.
mykeywordphrase.org - taken.
mykeywordphrase.us - taken.
mykeywordphrase.me - taken.

mykeywordphrase.info - available.

I've invested an hour or more of research in this keyword phrase. Do I throw that away, or do I get the .info domain?

It's not always about the money.

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John Atkins 14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

To get the exact keywords you want in your domain.

Well you can use them for a lot of stuff. But I wouldn't use a .info
to sell an IM product, especially if the .com is available!
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Michael Thorsett

14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

To get the exact keywords you want in your domain.

mykeywordphrase.com - taken.
mykeywordphrase.net - taken.
mykeywordphrase.org - taken.
mykeywordphrase.us - taken.
mykeywordphrase.me - taken.

mykeywordphrase.info - available.

I've invested an hour or more of research in this keyword phrase. Do I throw that away, or do I get the .info domain?

It's not always about the money.

I own a couple of .info domains; my main concern is that people will remember the domain name but when they type it in, they'll automatically end it with .com -- and I lose traffic.

Of course, this only applies to non-link marketing of the site. (But you all do market your sites both on- and offline, right?

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Karen Blundell

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

So you're saying it doesn't make a difference whether you sell
an IM product on a .info or .com?

Well it does...

the only thing that matters is whether the site has something to offer that people want...
I've seen many crappy .com sites and I've seen many fantastic .info sites

'nuff said...

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Frank Donovan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I never said that you guys shouldn't use .info
domains. I said that you shouldn't sell an IM product on
a .info.
Also, I started this thread to help people, not to start a
debate. By selling an IM product on a .info you'll lose
sales...

But what if that IM product was about the benefits of using a .info TLD? :confused:

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Harrison Ortega 14 years ago

So, you are teaching us that if we sell an IM product on an .Info domain, we're going to be: (paraphrasing what you and some others have said so far) unprofessional, scammer, funny, laughable, liar, amateur, spammer, full of crap, cheap and newbie. All of that just because selling an IM product on an .info domain? WOW.

Can you post a non live link to this crucified guy? I am wondering if he really deserves to be called all that just because a type of domain.
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George Wright

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

So you're saying it doesn't make a difference whether you sell
an IM product on a .info or .com?

Well it does...

Even if a .com gets you only one more sale in a years time,
it would still be worth it if you earn more than $9 per sale.

Why the heck would you want to use a .info anyway, to save
$8 a year? jeez.

Some don't save only $8. Some save $80, $800, 8,000, etc. Not everyone only buys 1 URL At a time.

George Wright

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Originally Posted by IM Headlines

So you're saying it doesn't make a difference whether you sell
an IM product on a .info or .com?

Well it does...

Even if a .com gets you only one more sale in a years time,
it would still be worth it if you earn more than $9 per sale.

None of which has anything to with whether one can earn a million dollars with a .info domain.

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TimG

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

It doesn't matter what the reason behind buying
a .info was.

The conversion rate will get lower if you sell
an IM product on a .info domain. That was my
point.

Me, and several other people will close the salespage
immediately if it's on a .info domain. So why not sell
the product on a .com domain to make more sales.

That's probably a valid point you are making but it could also be that you and the other folks are not this marketer's intended audience.

Everyday people are scammed out of money via bogus email messages - I'm pretty sure those same folks have no idea what the difference is between a .info and a .com.

Also, I thought I read a post by Tiffany Dow not to long ago that basically showed there was little difference between the .info and the .com domain to the common web surfer (Tiffany please correct me if I am wrong -

).

Sometimes we need to distance how we think from how the non-Internet marketer thinks.

Respectfully,
Tim

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George Wright

14 years ago

Some people actually believe what you say in your sig (I for one) and for that philosophy .info is fine.

George Wright

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I keep seeing this again & again. Today I was browsing
on twitter and stumbled upon a profile of a person
that claimed he's a millionaire from internet
marketing.

I check out his website (which sells an IM product)
and it's a .info domain.

Are you serious? I truly don't know if I should cry or laugh
at something like this.

If you really are rich then you won't bother with a .info domain,
unless you own the .com domain and want to buy all the tlds.

Don't use .info domains if you're going to set up a website
that teaches people how to make money. It's a total turn
off.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I see something
like this is:

"So this guy is rich and he can't even afford a $9 domain?"

.info domains look highly unprofessional.

Use .coms, they're the best domains, and if you think that it's
not worth it to invest $9 for your success, then forget setting up
a business, and go get a 9-5.

Cheers,
Johnny

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brieat

14 years ago

.info got a bad rep because it costed $1 to get it a while back (1 year?) through host daddy and name cheap. Nowadays it cost the same as .com domain

I also seen government fund websites using .info domain. True be told, the general public doesn't know that .info cost $1 and .com cost $10

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seobro

14 years ago

OK in the minds of most people .info domain equals spam and scam. That is because they were often sold for 99 cents by many domain sellers and even a penny. Therefore many MFA - made for sadsense web sites used .info domains back in the day, but most have started to wise up. Therefore .info still carries a stigma and should not be use.

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Sleaklight

14 years ago

To you and me and all marketers around know the difference in value between a .com and .info but if an average joe lands on it, odds is he or she is going to assume .info = information and is going to read the info on it as information versus a "o this is a website trying to sell me something" mentality. I've conducted market research on this with about 75 participants and the majority of them responded that way when surveyed.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sleaklight

To you and me and all marketers around know the difference in value between a .com and .info but if an average joe lands on it, odds is he or she is going to assume .info = information and is going to read the info on it as information versus a "o this is a website trying to sell me something" mentality. I've conducted market research on this with about 75 participants and the majority of them responded that way when surveyed.

Good post.

Remember that I said that you shouldn't sell an IM
product on a .info domain, not a product in another niche.
Although I still recommend .com.

Most people who buy IM products do know the difference
between .com and .info.

It doesn't really make a difference though, it's not worth it to
use a .info instead of a .com when the difference in the price is
just about $8.

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dwaser

14 years ago

I'm not sure if a lot of people know the difference between a .com and other tld's.
I have an IM related blog on a .net domain and receive several complains every day about the IM product sold on the .com domain. So those people have been looking for a product about making money online and landed on that .com domain. They signed up for a trial and after the trial period they get charged the full amount. So they are not happy about that and do a search in Google.

Now since my .net ranks higher than the .com they visit my site (and I don't sell anything myself on the site, it's just an affiliate site), write me an email and complaining about that they got charged for the full amount.

This shows me everyday, that people don't know what kind of site they visited and where they entered their credit card details.

I think if you have an IM product for newbies, it doesn't matter so much because most of them don't know the difference.

These are just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Good post.

Remember that I said that you shouldn't sell an IM
product on a .info domain, not a product in another niche.
Although I still recommend .com.

Most people who buy IM products do know the difference
between .com and .info.

It doesn't really make a difference though, it's not worth it to
use a .info instead of a .com when the difference in the price is
just about $8.

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Barry Patterson 14 years ago

Thanks for a great discussion re. .info domain. I learned a lot from the various points of view. I bought an .info once because it was cheap. But the domain .com was already purchased by some one else. Your discussion has revealed to me that .info does not necessarily mean what it says. However, I am not sure that everybody understands your point of being cheap. How many of the millions of people out there understand the difference?
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- John Atkins 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Barry Patterson
  
  How many of the millions of people out there understand the difference?
  
  Not many, but several people who work online do, so you're obviously
  going to look a little bit fake to the IM crowd when you claim you're
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PatriciaJ

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sleaklight

To you and me and all marketers around know the difference in value between a .com and .info but if an average joe lands on it, odds is he or she is going to assume .info = information and is going to read the info on it as information versus a "o this is a website trying to sell me something" mentality. I've conducted market research on this with about 75 participants and the majority of them responded that way when surveyed.

I agree with this, most newbies would believe that a domain infering information is good for just that. That's if they even notice if it's a .com or .info

Although I prefer .co.uk I own several .infos and .coms chosen because of the keywords I've researched. I've never not been able to afford a .com and even if I do buy a cheap .info I know that offers are there to draw people in and that the price will rise when I renew.

Maybe the .com wasn't available when he bought the .info

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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

IM Headlines,
What you know about how you feel is what matters to you, Right?

What this person may know about what works and what doesn't matters to them, Right?

You may not be their target audience and on top of that you're into IM so you read
through things like this with ease, Right?

Have you ever been wrong?

Maybe the reason is more than you can comprehend. Because he isn't targeting you and we all
know that the general public doesn't give a Rat's Arse if they get info from a .com, .net, .org or
even .info. They want info about what they are searching for.

Most non-IMers just don't know the difference. Therefore the point is YES he/she
should have used a .com if it was available although maybe they didn't have a warm
fuzzy feeling about it for what ever reason.

OK, I'm done...lol

If the .com is available then I would buy it and hold onto it for a while till
he/she decides they want it just for sh!ts and giggles.

Who knows, maybe they will make you an offer later!

Have a Great Day!
Michael

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John Atkins 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Maybe the reason is more than you can comprehend. Because he isn't targeting you

Nope his target audience are IMers like me, that's why it's so
funny.

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Who knows, maybe they will make you an offer later!

Lol. I seriously doubt that!
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MatthewM 14 years ago

You make a very good point.
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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

I keep seeing this again & again. Today I was browsing
on twitter and stumbled upon a profile of a person
that claimed he's a millionaire from internet
marketing.

I check out his website (which sells an IM product)
and it's a .info domain.

Are you serious? I truly don't know if I should cry or laugh
at something like this.

If you really are rich then you won't bother with a .info domain,
unless you own the .com domain and want to buy all the tlds.

Don't use .info domains if you're going to set up a website
that teaches people how to make money. It's a total turn
off.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I see something
like this is:

"So this guy is rich and he can't even afford a $9 domain?"

.info domains look highly unprofessional.

Use .coms, they're the best domains, and if you think that it's
not worth it to invest $9 for your success, then forget setting up
a business, and go get a 9-5.

Hogwash.

There is nothing wrong with a .info

Some of your points may be vaild and the person is probably full of crap (most are) but that has nothing to do with the value of a .info domain.

.com's may be the preferred TDL to own and I do think they have their benefits but that doesn't mean they are better. Yes, .info's have a spammy reputation within the IM and webmaster community, doesn't mean my grandma thinks this or even has a clue about what a .com, .info etc... really is.

Maybe the person is a millionaire, maybe you really do make $1,100 a month from IM. You have a .com but that doesn't mean I believe you either.

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John Atkins 14 years ago

I never said that you guys shouldn't use .info
domains. I said that you shouldn't sell an IM product on
a .info.

Also, I started this thread to help people, not to start a
debate. By selling an IM product on a .info you'll lose
sales...
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reynoldscorb

14 years ago

I don't see a problem in using a .info. I have websites ending in .com, .org, .net, .info, and .us. One of my best performing sites ends in .us.

There are a lot of cons to using a domain ending other than .com, but I can hardly see how someone using a .info is something to laugh about especially if it works for them.

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Michael Mayo

14 years ago

Well, This thread is pretty much useless with out any real reference to back up the story.

Hell, We can set here and agree to disagree all day long and you will win because I have
no way to verify what you seen is what we are talking about...lol

This is to open ended for me to debate.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

PS. Don't PM me the info(pun intended)either as I'm leaving to eat dinner at
this time.

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Ryan D

Banned 14 years ago

Maybe he bought the .info domain before he knew any better. I bought and built a big site authority site on a .org domain. Who cares?

I wouldn't read too much into it. It doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

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JayXtreme

14 years ago

Maybe... just maybe...

He doesn't actually care?.

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Damien Roche

14 years ago

Yeh, I do find it amateur too but appearances can be deceiving. Like some people mentioned above, there may be a valid reason for using a .info domain..but the fact that people are coming up with REASONS to use a .info domain says it all.

It's like, I don't really take people seriously who use a hotmail email address. I would laugh my tits off if I got an email from:

frankkern@hotmail.com

..c'mon. gmail is minimum.

BUT, again, appearances can be deceiving. Maybe they've used their hotmail address for 6 years and it's too much bother to switch.

I get your point though. I don't think I'd ever try to build a product on a .info domain. Personal choice and opinion. That's all.

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JayXtreme

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Damien Roche

frankkern@hotmail.com

..c'mon. gmail is minimum.

So...

Let me get this straight

BOTH of those services are free.. but you automatically give gmail more "respect" over hotmail?...

You'd laugh if a marketer sent you mail with a hotmail addy, but if it was gmail, then not so much... how strange.

I know gmail is a better service on the whole. But they are both "free", so imho, should have the same stigma attached to them, no?..

This thread is weird.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

So...

Let me get this straight

BOTH of those services are free.. but you automatically give gmail more "respect" over hotmail?...

You'd laugh if a marketer sent you mail with a hotmail addy, but if it was gmail, then not so much... how strange.

I know gmail is a better service on the whole. But they are both "free", so imho, should have the same stigma attached to them, no?..

Again, it's just personal choice and opinion. I can be arrogant about the small stuff, I don't care. My head's firmly focused on the big picture

But to explain the logic behind my opinion - I guess it would be because hotmail seems less professional. It isn't aimed at professionals and doesn't cater to professionals in features so therefore somebody who primarily uses this address...isn't...ya know...professional...?

Exactly, it's stupid. But it's just my opinion. Don't let it carry any weight. This is small stuff.

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JayXtreme 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Damien Roche

Don't let it carry any weight. This is small stuff.

I must rush off to grab myself a gmail addy right now!
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- Damien Roche 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JayXtreme
  
  I must rush off to grab myself a gmail addy right now!
  
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PatriciaJ

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Damien Roche

Yeh, I do find it amateur too but appearances can be deceiving. Like some people mentioned above, there may be a valid reason for using a .info domain..but the fact that people are coming up with REASONS to use a .info domain says it all.

It's like, I don't really take people seriously who use a hotmail email address. I would laugh my tits off if I got an email from:

frankkern@hotmail.com

..c'mon. gmail is minimum.

BUT, again, appearances can be deceiving. Maybe they've used their hotmail address for 6 years and it's too much bother to switch.

I get your point though. I don't think I'd ever try to build a product on a .info domain. Personal choice and opinion. That's all.

I'm one of those who have used an hotmail addy for business for about 10 years and nobody has ever laughed any part of their body off - maybe scratched their heads because of the nutty part that precedes @hotmail.com

I had a posh addy first but it got spammed to death and it was hard to find my orders and enquiries amongst the junk. Hotmail stops a lot of that. I don't want to switch and not because it's too much bother. I like my hotmail addy.

But blimey I've got 2 gmails for article marketing and networking so maybe I can be taken a bit more seriously

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AllAboutAction 14 years ago

Originally Posted by PatriciaJ

Electronic Cigarettes helped me to quit smoking after 40 years - brilliant!

I have to say, you look much better than I would have expected from someone who smoked for 40 years.
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- PatriciaJ 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by AllAboutAction
  
  I have to say, you look much better than I would have expected from someone who smoked for 40 years.
  
  Thank you. I have inherited great skin from my mother and have always looked younger than I am. I took that picture with my camcorder last year when I was tarted up for a night out with the girls. I also had one taken the morning after but vanity made me choose the picture that I'm using.
  
  I guess that it's another one of those how we perceive things questions. Should I have that in my sig when I don't look old enough in that photo for it to be true? I remember putting that in my sig because I was so darn chuffed that I'd stopped, maybe it's time to change it but it has created curiousity.
  
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Steve Ranger

14 years ago

I can't even remember the last time I went on a .info website. It was a disgrace really - they blatantly released them for a quick buck.

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bgmacaw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Ranger

I can't even remember the last time I went on a .info website. It was a disgrace really - they blatantly released them for a quick buck.

<sigh>

Once again, for the enjoyment and education of all, Google on these terms...

pagerank checker
Noam Chomsky
roman coins
new york transit
craft ideas
regular expressions
move your money

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

pagerank checker
Noam Chomsky
roman coins
new york transit
craft ideas
regular expressions
move your money

Can't you just summarise your point into a small paragraph?

summarise
point
paragraph

I've read a lot of Noam Chomsky by the way. Good stuff.

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JayXtreme

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Ranger

Can't you just summarise your point into a small paragraph?

bgmacaw is leaving it up to others to work it out for themselves...

Doesn't wanna waste time. I can understand that, people don't listen any ways.

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Steve Ranger 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

bgmacaw is leaving it up to others to work it out for themselves...

Doesn't wanna waste time. I can understand that, people don't listen any ways.

Well he has wasted time now.. yours.. and mine.. hmm.. time to get back to making money I think!

How much is it to register a .info :p
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  Originally Posted by Steve Ranger
  
  Well he has wasted time now.. yours.. and mine.. hmm.. time to get back to making money I think!
  
  How much is it to register a .info :p
  
  He's not wasted mine.. I already undersood the point being made
  
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  Originally Posted by JayXtreme
  
  He's not wasted mine.. I already undersood the point being made
  
  You're wasting your time arguing about it.
  
  To be honest.. I really have no idea what he is going about.. Roman coins? LOL. I don't have the time to go Googling keyword after keyword :p
  
  Seriously though, back on subject. That extension got seriously tarnished back in the day by spammers - it was the one domain they used extensively
  
  Edit: Just seen that second place SERP listing for 'roman coins', that's pretty impressive. That site must have a lot of authority links coming in etc..
  
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  it was the one domain they used extensively
  
  It was the one domain you could get without providing valid identification, at the time. Today they can get whatever the hell they want.
  
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genietoast 14 years ago

I've used .info to cloak and mask and affiliate links for Ezine Article Purposes, but my main site has been a .com or a .net.
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zerofill 14 years ago

For those knocking the .info domains you're not the type of people to use a gmail account or a yahoo account for your main email either are you?

Jeremy uses a yahoo account more than our normal email accounts... Why? Cause he likes it I dunno why lol... I use a normal email client..thunderbird to be exact and pop email. But it hasn't affected us either way...

If you think an .info domain affects your sales...you might lose 2 out of a 100 marketers you are targeting in the "make money online" niche... I can just about guarantee it won't affect your non make money online cash... I seriously doubt if the product or offer is good it will have any affect really. But I know the person looking for a cure for acne could care less.

The only reason I don't use them for much more than redirects is because of Google... It is normally much harder to rank a .info domain...for me anyway. The biggest reason why as far as I can tell is probably because the cost of them is too cheap. So they are spammer abused to death. So you have to prove yourself a bit more when running a real site on a .info domain. So it goes without saying Google would take that into account. Yahoo however doesn't seem to care if it is a .info.

For landing pages I am driving traffic to via ppc or article marketing or whatever...I could care less if the extension is .cxdfgrtdf lol

Type: make money online

into google...think that guy is an idiot for using a blogger blog? I mean blahblahblah.blogspot.com

looks a lot more unprofessional to me then makemoneyonline.info or whatever hehe...

Doubt he is worried about being a blogger blog in the top spot for that phrase though...

So who knows how he (the guy you are talking about) is mainly driving traffic... I kind of doubt it would be only twitter crap...but might be.

Now if he has it ranking for some solid, tough keyword phrases in Google...you might want to give him the benefit of the doubt and look more at what he is offering.

I would do a lot more digging if I was actually interested in finding out if he was a scammer or not... I would probably drop any preconceived "he is dumb" notion unless I had more to go on then just he has a .info domain.
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GerryMedia

14 years ago

The sad thing about .info domains is they have been used by spammers and "adsense farms" a lot, otherwise I don't see anything wrong in a .info domain if indeed the website contains relevant information about the keywords in the domain name.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

This is the only argument you've made that holds any water, and it only matters for people who need to remember the domain name. There are an awful lot of circumstances in which that's not a consideration.

It's also questionable how long that will remain true, since .info makes more sense to the mind than .com. Not to mention that people are becoming more aware of extensions and the like as they get familiar with the net.

Paul touched on a point I was going to make. The line between .com, .org, and .net sites and the rest isn't nearly wide as it was just a few years ago. At some point, when the number of .info sites reaches a certain saturation point, few people will consider it a difference worth noting. It will come to that point sooner or later because of the limited number of desirable keywords available in any given niche, and I think that point isn't that far out.

At that point, buying a .info domain with top keyword choices will be as difficult as buying a .com domain now. It simply has to reach that point because there are only so many worthwhile keywords available in each niche. People are already buying .info and .biz names in increasing numbers, not to mention making up their own words just to get a short domain name.

Those buying keyword.info domains today may well soon be seen as smarter and more forward thinking than those who buy domains diluted with add-on phrases just to get the keyword they want in a domain name with a .com extension.

Stop and think . . . keyword.info or mybestkeywordtoday.com? When the gap in perception changes, and it is already changing, which domain is better when the domain extensions are perceived as equal? You know the answer.

I do predict that in the not-too-distant future, a .info domain will be seen as equal to .com by the vast majority of people. The only differences that separate them will be the user experience and quality of the content.

Those who are unable to adjust their thinking to changing realities have the most to lose. Dinosaurs have a way of losing relevance . . . or dying off. Of course, there will still be people telling you not to buy them so there are fewer people competing for them.

Then someone will probably post a thread saying not to buy .biz domain names. I'm quietly buying .info and .biz names that have high-value, short, exact keywords. Some I may use soon, some I may simply sell later, at a nice profit. I could sit on them for 10 years and sell them off as retirement income. Believe me, in 10 years keyword.info will fetch a good price.

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bgmacaw 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Steve Ranger

Can't you just summarise your point into a small paragraph?

http://www.warriorforum.com/search.php

This stupid topic gets discussed at least two or three times a week. It's a Groundhog Day topic.

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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

But to explain the logic behind my opinion - I guess it would be because hotmail seems less professional. It isn't aimed at professionals and doesn't cater to professionals in features so therefore somebody who primarily uses this address...isn't...ya know...professional...?

That is just silly. Plenty of professionals use hotmail since it's been around forever, unlike gmail.

Gmail may offer a few more gadgets for the nerd-crowd but it's still a free email provider.

I primarily use gmail because every reasonable nickname has already been taken on hotmail, but I find hotmail much easier to use when it comes to basic email. Many people prefer simplicity and don't care what all of the cool kids are using.

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14 years ago

haha

I give gmail much more respect as well.

Watching screencasts they always seem to be logged in with there gmail accounts. Frank Kerns is superbadkern@gmail.com or something similar

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seobro

14 years ago

OK for "roman coins" it was roman coin dot info in the position three on yahoo, position one on bing, and on google also position one. However, that is usually not the case. For most keywords it is a major brand ending in a dot com that rules the top rank of the search engines.

I prefer to tell people check out "mywebsitename" than saying check out mywebsitename dot info because people will rare forget the name. However, they often will get confused and try in the dot com.

Also, if a company already has the dot com and they are big, then you will add to their traffic if you advertise you domain name. Also, register "mizpellings" as these are common.

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14 years ago

OK for "roman coins" it was roman coin dot info in the position three on yahoo, position one on bing, and on google also position one. However, that is usually not the case. For most keywords it is a major brand ending in a dot com that rules the top rank of the search engines.

I prefer to tell people check out "mywebsitename" than saying check out mywebsitename dot info because people will rare forget the name. However, they often will get confused and try in the dot com.

I agree with you, but that is a different discussion, why a .com is a better choice than a .info.

As for why do .com's rule the rankings in most cases... they entered the IM game early, they have the money, most people still prefer to buy a .com's first. But that doesn't inherently mean that .com's are better or will rank better.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

It would seem that several people here think I'm totally against
.infos and am telling people not to use them. That's NOT true.

The simple point of this thread was:

(Let me make it simple for you)

If you create a product, create the salespage, and let's say you claim
that you make $10,000 monthly and you're going to teach people how to
do it. You name the product: Super online cash machine.

You check out the domains and see that they're all available You
should use .com not .info. I really thought that was obvious but
it would seem that it's not for some people.

Why .com? Because you just claimed that you make $10,000 monthly
for goodness sake. If you really make that kind of money then you
won't have a problem buying & hosting a .com domain
name to sell your product.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Why .com? Because you just claimed that you make $10,000 monthly for goodness sake. If you really make that kind of money then you won't have a problem buying & hosting a .com domain
name to sell your product.

Nor would you have a problem buying and hosting a .info domain name to sell your product, because it's your forkin' product and you'll host it on whatever kind of domain name you damn well please.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

It would seem that several people here think I'm totally against
.infos and am telling people not to use them. That's NOT true.

The simple point of this thread was:

(Let me make it simple for you)

If you create a product, create the salespage, and let's say you claim
that you make $10,000 monthly and you're going to teach people how to
do it. You name the product: Super online cash machine.

You check out the domains and see that they're all available You
should use .com not .info. I really thought that was obvious but
it would seem that it's not for some people.

Why .com? Because you just claimed that you make $10,000 monthly
for goodness sake. If you really make that kind of money then you
won't have a problem buying & hosting a .com domain
name to sell your product.

End of story.

Hi again,

Methinks this position is a tad different from your OP. Not completely about face, but, different enough to say you have been swayed by some experienced marketers postings in this thread. Good for ya.

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jasonmorgan

14 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

Hi again,

Methinks this position is a tad different from your OP. Not completely about face, but, different enough to say you have been swayed by some experienced marketers postings in this thread. Good for ya.

George Wright

OP = .info sucks

Revision = .info doesn't look as professional

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Nor would you have a problem buying and hosting a .info domain name to sell your product, because it's your forkin' product and you'll host it on whatever kind of domain name you damn well please.

Of course... Actually you should forget paid hosting & host it for
free. That way you'll save more money.

Originally Posted by George Wright

Hi again,

Methinks this position is a tad different from your OP. Not completely about face, but, different enough to say you have been swayed by some experienced marketers postings in this thread. Good for ya.

George Wright

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OP = .info sucks

Revision = .info doesn't look as professional

LOL. swayed by some 'experienced marketers'? That's a good one.

I said the same thing in the O.P., the revision just made it simpler
for guys like you to understand, since you obviously couldn't.

To those people selling an IM product for the first time:

Want to sell an IM product on a .info domain? Then do it.
You'll be the one losing money not me.

.info domains may be good for some stuff like testing etc...
but they're certianly not good for selling IM products. And quite
frankly, anyone who says it doesn't make a difference doesn't
have any common sense.

Anyway, I'm done here. What we say now is fruitless. The point
has already been made.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Of course... Actually you should forget paid hosting & host it for free. That way you'll save more money.

You know, the big problem in this entire conversation has been that you CANNOT GET PAST THE IDEA that .com is $9 and .info is $1. You are so bound up in WHAT IT COSTS, you cant fathom the idea that someone might just like .info better and there is nothing wrong with that.

When you come right down to it, if you're going to turn up your nose at my product because it's on a .info domain, I don't want you as a customer anyway. You'd probably ask for a refund because I didn't use the font you like.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

You know, the big problem in this entire conversation has been that you CANNOT GET PAST THE IDEA that .com is $9 and .info is $1. You are so bound up in WHAT IT COSTS, you cant fathom the idea that someone might just like .info better and there is nothing wrong with that.

No there's nothing wrong. But if that someone is selling a product
that teaches people how to make money then he will lose sales.

You see I like helping people, and I hate to see someone lose
money just because of this little thing...

Originally Posted by CDarklock

When you come right down to it, if you're going to turn up your nose at my product because it's on a .info domain, I don't want you as a customer anyway. You'd probably ask for a refund because I didn't use the font you like.

Don't worry dude, I wouldn't want to be your customer either.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

No there's nothing wrong. But if that someone is selling a product
that teaches people how to make money then he will lose sales.

You see I like helping people, and I hate to see someone lose
money just because of this little thing...

I respect your opinion but I do think it is flawed because regardless if someone uses a .info, .com or .org if they have a fantastic salespage and enough viral buzz the product will sell.

I personally bought enough piece of crap products that were using a .com as their domain that if truly makes no difference to me what they use as long as the product delivers.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

You see I like helping people, and I hate to see someone lose money just because of this little thing...

Let's not put too fine a point on it: "this little thing" is that you don't like the domain name.

I don't see anything about the quality of the product, the reputation it's got in the industry, the credentials of the author, the nature of the pitch... it's all about whether you like the domain.

Because you think anyone with a .info domain is cheap, and only got it to save $8.

So hey; a .net domain is more expensive than a .com domain. Would I get extra credit if my website was at .net instead of .com?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I don't see anything about the quality of the product, the reputation it's got in the industry, the credentials of the author, the nature of the pitch...

You're right... but in the IM niche .info is regarded as a cheap
domain. A man who makes a living & teaches people how to
make a living online looks a bit odd selling his product on a .info
domain.

It may not look odd to you but it does to some people. And either
way, you're argument is pretty much irrelevant. What's the point?

I mean think about it, let's say that 90% of internet marketers don't
mind buying from a .info domain, and only 10% won't buy from it
(just because the product is being sold on a .info domain).

10% is little I know, but why lose them? Why not spend another
$8 to get a .com and get some of those 10% as well?

Now this is just an example. I'm pretty sure that there will be much
more than 10% IMers who will be turned off by a .info domain.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Really?

You keep saying stuff like that but I have yet to see solid statistics to back it up.

Have you REALLY split tested to see if it does worse than a .com? Because if you haven't, you are guessing and really have no idea if a .com will sell better than a .info

Also, to take it a bit further, there are people who:

1. Hate video sales pages yet they are working.
2. Hate long form sales pages, yet they still sell.
3. Hate pop ups that say "Wait...Before you go..." and those seem to work.
4. Hate upsell's/downsells...yet we see them all the time and they are proven to work.

Take the upsells for example - I did it once with a WSO. I had 2 people email me and complain about it. But yet I increased my income by ~ 50% AND I had a few other people tell me they were GLAD I offered it to them.

So, according to the people that hated it, they figured I would just piss people off and lose trust. (That's what one guy told me). But yet I had another customer tell me they were GLAD I did it...the rest seemed not to care.

So, the fact is, YOU may not like a .info, but that means squat.

YOU don't matter in the long term of things. I don't matter in the long term of things.

What matters is CONVERSIONS on a whole. Does a .com convert better than a .info.

Until you can quote some hard facts that says a .com does convert better (I mean real stats from a split test with all things being equal), what you say is nothing but pure guesswork, opinion and in a business, I would rather have hard facts.

Rob

Why test it when you already know the answer? That would be
a waste of time.

I know that .coms works better in the IM niche because I'm
experienced enough to know.

Actually you don't really need to be experienced to know it. If you know
anything at all about the IM audience than you would
know that .coms would work better than a .info in this niche.

To make it easier for you, in the IM niche, .com is clean, .info is
"tainted". I didn't make it that way, other people did.

How the heck could you possibly think that the .com will be bested
by .info, in the IM niche???

That's absurd...

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ccmusicman

Wow.

Just wow...

That HAS to be someone's famous last words...

You make WAY too many assumptions.

Split testing is one of the fundamentals of business.

And waste of time?

Register a .info of the same name as a .com - less than 5 minutes.

Copying the exact site from your .com to a .info - less than 5 minutes.

Plugging your .info into a split testing software like Affiliate Prophet - less than 5 minutes.

Letting the test run until you establish solid numbers - hands off and no extra time needed.

So, I count about 15 minutes or less to set it up.

In the end, though, you assume erroneously, that you are your market. Just because you are IN the market doesn't mean squat.

Frank Kern released a free product that led to continuity last year. I believe it was Mass Control monthly or something.

He ended up getting a HUGE amount of canceled subscribers and he didn't know why.

He surveyed and found that he gave too much info up front and people felt overwhelmed.

He thought, erroneously, that since he liked a lot of stuff up front, so should his market because he is "in" the market.

That simple error of mindset cost him thousands and thousands of dollars.

The problem here isn't the .info or the .com...it's your presumed assumptions that, someday, may cost you thousands too.

Don't make that mistake.

Rob

(BTW - I have sold on a .info before...inside the IM market...and have seen no difference is sales conversions between my .com and .info - But that was without a good split test. I need to do that.)

Nice long post but what you said does not matter.

Even if there were just 1000 people in the whole IM audience
that wouldn't buy an IM product from a .info domains, it would
still be worth it to use a .com.

No one will be turned off by a .com domain, but some people
will be turned off by a .info domain...

You really think that I'm the only one that get turned off by
a .info domain? If you think so that you know nothing about
this market, sorry.

I can't believe how much hassle this thread has created
over something so obvious...

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George Wright 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I can't believe how much hassle this thread has created
over something so obvious...

Awe IM Headlines, We're just having a little fun, because you are totally wrong because you start out from the false premise that it makes a difference. It's a known fact that absolutes are not good. Can you say never say never? Always is just as bad.

For Instance I could argue that for your 1,000 that wouldn't buy from a .info name there are 2,000 that would buy out of admiration for someone so bold as to use a .info or because they felt sorry for the poor newbie who couldn't afford a .com, or because their puppy, named Info just died and they felt all warm and fuzzy to buy from .info. On and on we go and neither of us has a thimble full of proof to back us up.

This really has been fun.

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Paul Myers 14 years ago

Why test it when you already know the answer? That would be a waste of time.

I know that .coms works better in the IM niche because I'm experienced enough to know.

The most absurd, and common, assumption you'll see most months. Lemme illustrate...

I was at a seminar years ago, and between sessions two guys came out and said they wanted to test something. They had 8 headlines they were considering for a product. One liked one headline and the other a different one.

The product was to be marketed to the same group we were part of. They figured it would be better to survey the group, rather than debate over which one was right. They read us all 8 headlines, and asked us to vote. 2/3 of the room liked one headline better than any of the others. That's a big-time winner. The kind of difference that can turn a losing offer into a huge money-maker.

It was also NOT either of the ones these guys liked.

The two guys? One was Drew Kaplan. For those who don't know him, Drew was the guy behind DAK, an early leader in consumer electronics, and one of the most successful copywriters in history. The other guy was Jay Abraham.

They were both staring at a killer headline and missed it. But they didn't, really, because they were smart enough to know that your market always knows better than you what they want. And, if you ask, they'll tell you.

90% of what you think you know, ain't so.

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  Rob,
  
  I never assume I know what the market wants. I make educated guesses, then I test. I've found myself to be wrong 50 to 80% of the time.
  
  Rule of thumb for split testing: 50% of your tests will result in no noticeable change. 25% will bring significant reductions. 25% will improve things significantly. This model assumes that you know what to test, and have the experience to choose wisely.
  
  If you're silly enough to assume you're smarter than your market about what they want, those numbers will tilt away from significant improvements in a big way.
  
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  Rob,
  
  Funnily enough, I have never considered a .com vs. a .info. That's on my "to test" list.
  
  That would be interesting. I'd be curious to see if the fact that the product type (info) matches the domain type (.info) actually helps sales or not.
  
  For me, it wouldn't make any difference in the IM niche. Outside, it might be a plus factor, because of the congruency. But that's just a personal observation, and I'm a word geek. I have preferences that might not match the market(s).
  
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  Funnily enough, I have never considered a .com vs. a .info. That's on my "to test" list.
  
  You know, I actually bought one domain for an upcoming product during GoDaddy's "Free .info with .com" promotion and forgot to kick the .info out of the cart. (I remembered on the other three domains I bought during that promotion... not that they made it easy; you have to kick it out twice.) So I may be testing that myself... along with a PPC foray, I think, so I can drive some traffic to each of them.
  
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  Originally Posted by ccmusicman
  
  Funnily enough, I have never considered a .com vs. a .info. That's on my "to test" list.
  
  Rob
  
  That's the spirit. It would be great if you discover that you can
  make more sales selling an IM product on a .info domain.
  
  Then again if .info worked better than .coms for IM products, I'm
  pretty sure that the gurus and several other big product sellers
  would sell their IM products on .info domains not on .coms. I've
  never seen a guru release one of his big products on a .info,
  have you? :rolleyes:
  
  Is it possible that is has never been tested before? I doubt it.
  
  Oh & BTW, I didn't mention this before because I forgot:
  
  .coms are easier for people to remember, so even if
  there would be no difference in the conversion rate, .coms
  will still be worth it since when people remember a websites
  name, normally they will type it in with a .com in the end.
  
  You see mate?
  
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Daniel Scott

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Why test it when you already know the answer? That would be
a waste of time.

I know that .coms works better in the IM niche because I'm
experienced enough to know.

Actually you don't really need to be experienced to know it. If you know
anything at all about the IM audience than you would
know that .coms would work better than a .info in this niche.

To make it easier for you, in the IM niche, .com is clean, .info is
"tainted". I didn't make it that way, other people did.

How the heck could you possibly think that the .com will be bested
by .info, in the IM niche???

That's absurd...

Got proof?

For the record, I almost always go with .com.

But that doesn't mean it's definitely better...

You're throwing up assumptions and guesses as fact. That's dangerous.

And it shows - in no uncertain terms -exactly how little you know about this business.

If you want to present information as fact, you need to back it up...

...not just insult everyone who doesn't agree with your BS theory.

MY theory is that it makes an almost imperceptible difference regardless of what your domain name ends in.

But at least I have the intelligence to know it's just a theory.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

in the IM niche .info is regarded as a cheap domain.

And I think people in the IM niche are smarter than that, and will evaluate the product on its merits.

But please, provide me your arguments for why the IM niche is full of shallow, stupid, shortsighted people.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

And I think people in the IM niche are smarter than that, and will evaluate the product on its merits.

But please, provide me your arguments for why the IM niche is full of shallow, stupid, shortsighted people.

I don't know, I never said the IM niche is full of stupid shortsighted
people. You invented that.

You keep quoting pieces of my posts to start a new
argument. You're not here to learn or to help people...

You're entertaining me though...

Keep it up!

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I don't know, I never said the IM niche is full of stupid shortsighted people. You invented that.

No, I inferred it. You said that people would not buy a product because it was on a .info domain.

Now, if that product is of high quality and serves their purposes at a fair price, this is a stupid and shortsighted decision.

But you claim they'll make that decision over a domain name.

You keep quoting pieces of my posts to start a new argument.

No, it's the same argument: the domain name is irrelevant. It forms no part of the average person's buying decision, IM niche or otherwise. You could put your product on "bighairyscam.biz" and people would buy it anyway if they wanted it.
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Originally Posted by IM Headlines

You're right... but in the IM niche .info is regarded as a cheap
domain.

In the IM niche, HostGator is regarded as a cheap host, Name Cheap is regarded as, ummm.... Name Cheap (get it ), Freebies are regarded as less than Cheap, WSOs are cheaper than the regular price. And yet those who teach sometimes say to use all of the above. Are they too wrong? Just askin.

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theverysmartguy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

You're right... but in the IM niche .info is regarded as a cheap
domain. A man who makes a living & teaches people how to
make a living online looks a bit odd selling his product on a .info
domain.

It may not look odd to you but it does to some people. And either
way, you're argument is pretty much irrelevant. What's the point?

I mean think about it, let's say that 90% of internet marketers don't
mind buying from a .info domain, and only 10% won't buy from it
(just because the product is being sold on a .info domain).

10% is little I know, but why lose them? Why not spend another
$8 to get a .com and get some of those 10% as well?

Now this is just an example. I'm pretty sure that there will be much
more than 10% IMers who will be turned off by a .info domain.

So basically what you are saying is if you are in the IM business and are selling an IM related product, NOT to use a .info. And your reasoning that if should be able to afford the extra $8 for it because you saying you make so much money, and are going to teach people to do the same.

For starters, do you know how the rich get rich? They watch what they spend, and basically penny pinch. But honestly that is besides the point here.

Just because someone is teaching people to make money online does not mean they have to use the .com TLD. If you are squawking about pricing, then why not use a .ws TLD which is around the $16 mark on go daddy. Will that display anything different to the visitor? Will it shout out " My, he spend $16 on a domain name for this site, he must know what he is doing alright." ? Probably not.

I rarely look at the TLD of a domain to see if its a .info, .com, . org or whatever. If it has good info that I like, and is useful to me, I bookmark it so that I can come back to it later.

BTW, using a .info domain and making money with it will also tell his visitors that it doesn't really matter all that much what your TLD is to make money online.

And one more thing, you mentioned the IM industry, so you single it out as an industry to NOT use the .info in. Why?
What about other types of niches? If the .info domain looks so unprofessional why would you ONLY suggest it to the IM industry? Does that mean that you think it is ok for other types of industry sites to look unprofessional instead, because it is perfectly fine to use .info domains with them, just not the IM industry?

BTW, its all rubbish anyways. Google doesn't care if its a .com or a .info domain in the first place. It does not immediately say that oh, its a .info lets not rank it, and we might as well sandbox it altogether. That doesn't happen.

So honestly when it comes right down to it, it is YOUR OWN personal opinion about the matter. It is not a fully documented find on the subject. Which means you are teaching people to try and hate .info because it is unprofessional, and cheap. Which means that you are teaching people the wrong things.

I for one use several .info domains. At first they were just for testing, but after they were ranking, and getting traffic, I figured I would just keep them the way they are instead of using them to redirect to a .com in the future.

And FYI, it takes the same amount of time to index and rank a .info domain than it does to index, and rank a .com

If the information on any kind of website is good, and useful, then who cares what extension it has, be it a .info, .com, .org, .net etc etc.

Anyways, that is about it for me on this subject.

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JustKid

14 years ago

Sorry can I see some numbers to back it up? I frequently use .info because as a mass site builder/ auto blogger I want to save as much money as I can. Who says .com is more valuable for conversions is there any math to back up your statement or are you going by the fact that since .com is $9 and .info is $1 that .info tld information or product is worth less.

Im just saying its not like having a .com instantly verifies you as a guru just because you were able to skip lunch or dinner.

I never said that you guys shouldn't use .info
domains. I said that you shouldn't sell an IM product on
a .info.

Also, I started this thread to help people, not to start a
debate. By selling an IM product on a .info you'll lose sales

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jaynejones2010 14 years ago

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Don't like . info then stay away from them simple. Building sites and making cash should be the focus here.
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maidmarion

14 years ago

More experienced users use a .info domain when they can't get the .com, .net and .org.
Apparantly it is not really worth it though as it doesn't rate with google very well!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by maidmarion

More experienced users use a .info domain when they can't get the .com, .net and .org.
Apparantly it is not really worth it though as it doesn't rate with google very well!

that's bull****, plain and simple

I really would like to know where people get their info...:rolleyes:

you can rank really really well on any tld providing the content you provide is quality, and you take the proper steps to get ranked: building backlinks, fresh content, SEO, etc...

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US Blues

14 years ago

I occasionally buy .info and .us domains for sites that I do not intend to work on that much. They are perfect for simple gateways or for payment pages. I also use them as sample pages for some of my offline work and I have had no complaints. Of course I also show them my main site which is a .com.

I have also used .info domains for offline CPA ads with great success. Sometimes it becomes hard to find a relevant yet memorable .com for a particular offer so .info's can work very well there.

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ladyspinner

14 years ago

He may not be a millionaire, but he certainly started a buzz.

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jasonmorgan 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ladyspinner

He may not be a millionaire, but he certainly started a buzz.

does that make him a buzzillionaire?
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14 years ago

Its up to the person ultimately!
Let them be, If it makes them money or not their decision.

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Justinfm

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

The first thing that comes to my mind when I see something
like this is:

"So this guy is rich and he can't even afford a $9 domain?"

.info domains look highly unprofessional.

If this looks unprofessional or not kind of depends on the target audience. You have a pretty large segment that doesn't really know the difference with the TLD's and wouldn't blink an eye.

I used to feel the same way about PayPal. Anyone can get a PayPal account so, how professional is that, but now it's the standard processor again.

I would love to see a study on this and see what percentage of people think a .info domain is unprofessional. I would be surprised if the number was too high, although certainly it would be higher in the IM market where people tend to be a bit more sensitive to these things.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

It's possible the the .com version was taken when the person bought his .info site, and has expired since then. At any rate, the search engines don't care what the domain extension is, plenty of .info sites rank on the first page of SERPs.

Now, I would agree with the OP that this person is probably lying about his millionaire status, but I'd doubt him if his site was a .com as well. Not many millionaires really go around talking about being a millionaire, that's more the foolishness of wannabes.

Nevertheless, a lot of assumptions are being made, but let's not forget that quite often, our perception and assumptions do not match someone else's reality.

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DrewClement

14 years ago

Aside from the .info/.com debate...one of your main points is that you think he is being cheap by saving $8 on his domain.

Can I just point something out here?

People who are worth millions of dollars, and earn enough money to live comfortably do so by being smart with their money. Those with comfortable retirement funds, wise investment plans, and wealth often get to that point by being "cheap".

Those that have the ability to save money here and there are the ones that earn more in the long run...and save more.

And as someone else pointed out earlier....maybe he bought 100 domains at once=$800 in savings that he could use towards building sites and traffic.

Every millionaire comes from somewhere.....and while some feel more than comfortable throwing away $8 on a latte, an e-book, or whatever...$8 can be the starting point if you know what you are doing and are dedicated.

My grandfather began with $20 in his pocket, and is now as successful as I could ever hope to be.

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Patrick Mader

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I keep seeing this again & again. Today I was browsing
on twitter and stumbled upon a profile of a person
that claimed he's a millionaire from internet
marketing.

I check out his website (which sells an IM product)
and it's a .info domain.

Are you serious? I truly don't know if I should cry or laugh
at something like this.

If you really are rich then you won't bother with a .info domain,
unless you own the .com domain and want to buy all the tlds.

Don't use .info domains if you're going to set up a website
that teaches people how to make money. It's a total turn
off.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I see something
like this is:

"So this guy is rich and he can't even afford a $9 domain?"

.info domains look highly unprofessional.

Use .coms, they're the best domains, and if you think that it's
not worth it to invest $9 for your success, then forget setting up
a business, and go get a 9-5.

Cheers,
Johnny

I used .info for my optin sites... but if i dont have 9$ for a com domain i absolutly can´t me a millionaire...

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bwh1

14 years ago

First, I have to agree with the OP about the fact that a .com looks more professional if you promote your own product.

There are always a ton of opportunities to find a great .com, so the only reason NOT to take a .com for a product launch is lack of money or confidence that someone will buy the product (how's that for a Pro marketer?!).

But if you are a affiliate, a .info does make sense in many ways, to match keywords. I have a few of them.

So actually it's a matter of your goal with that domain.

On a SEO side there was a test study by one of my Wealthy Affiliate pals, PotPieGirl.

She got for the same keyword a .com .org .net a .com with hyphens and a .info domain.

She let that test running with the keyword in the domain only, no keywords in the content and no on page optimization.

The conclusion after several weeks was that the .com ranked best, the .org was second behind the .com with hyphen and the .net, last was the .info which took by the way a long time to appear in the search results, even indexed and showing up if searched with the url.

So to build a business, always a .com if you can (afford it).

It's not 5th avenue, only $9 bucks

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by bwh1

On a SEO side there was a test study by one of my Wealthy Affiliate pals, PotPieGirl.

She got for the same keyword a .com .org .net a .com with hyphens and a .info domain.

She let that test running with the keyword in the domain only, no keywords in the content and no on page optimization.

The conclusion after several weeks was that the .com ranked best, the .org was second behind the .com with hyphen and the .net, last was the .info which took by the way a long time to appear in the search results, even indexed and showing up if searched with the url.

That may only be the result of the .com being the first site of the bunch that Google found if it was the exact same content on them. If it wasn't the exact same content then the test proves nothing. The content could be the difference.

Did they also have the exact same number of links from the exact same locations with the exact same anchor text?

Really, there are hundreds of ranking factors, more are unknown than known, so how can any conclusive result be drawn with from such a limited amount of known data?

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill

Really, there are hundreds of ranking factors, more are unknown than known, so how can any conclusive result be drawn with from such a limited amount of known data?

I have a much simpler test in mind.

If I run PPC ads for the .com and the .info, and drive 1,000 people to each site...

Which one sells more?

I don't give a damn which one ranks where or how many backlinks or anything like that. I want to know, given a PPC ad, how many impressions do I need to get 1,000 clicks - and how many sales do I make off those clicks?

Sales from other sources don't count.

That's a small enough target that I think it can be measured. Once the product's ready, I think I'll do just that.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

I have a much simpler test in mind.

If I run PPC ads for the .com and the .info, and drive 1,000 people to each site...

Which one sells more?

I don't give a damn which one ranks where or how many backlinks or anything like that. I want to know, given a PPC ad, how many impressions do I need to get 1,000 clicks - and how many sales do I make off those clicks?

Sales from other sources don't count.

That's a small enough target that I think it can be measured. Once the product's ready, I think I'll do just that.

That's a much better test than the one I responded to. You can actually measure the results based on known factors you control rather than mostly unknown factors you don't control. Let us know the results.

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Cezar R Abadiano

14 years ago

If you haven't tested it to definitively know if .com is really better than .info then how can you say that it is indeed better in terms of sales.

My understanding of IM is what you know gets thrown out the window by what your customers want.

I always believed that it's your product along with your sales page and all the other things that come together to entice your customers into buying from you.

You have to give your customers credit for knowing if what you're selling is crap of not regardless of whether or not your domain ends in .com or .info.

Reminds of the tire swing project analogy.

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14 years ago

Some one correct me if I'm not wright. However, the issue here is, at least from the OP, If a IMer gets to the .info page will he leave and not buy just because it is a .info.

If you think in terms of SEO, there is a lot more to be considered.

In the OPs scenario, some how, some way the IMer got to the page and then leaves just because it's a "cheap" .info.

To that I say, no proof. To the SEO thing (which isn't the issue here) I bow to the SEO experts.

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troy23

14 years ago

It makes no difference at all. I sell products on both.

And when I buy something I don't look at the domain name....who cares what the domain extension is if the product serves your needs.

.coms are worth using if you are a business and people are likely to type in your URL, but for selling ebooks or IM information which is not taken seriously by Google, then it really makes no difference.

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DrGUID

14 years ago

My best Adsense page is on a .info. That TLD is perfect for information/directory sites!

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Preben Frenning

14 years ago

Only reasons to get .info in my opinion, is for niche affiliate marketing with ppc,(To get a higher quality score, and a more trustworthy url) and keyword rich domains for SEO in competitive niches.

Also, it would actually make sense to sell an /SEOtraffic product that ranks very high in google for competitive keywords on a .info domain.

"Dominate the first page of google for ANY website" - On a .info domain.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

.coms are easier for people to remember, so even if there would be no difference in the conversion rate, .coms will still be worth it since when people remember a websites name, normally they will type it in with a .com in the end.

This is the only argument you've made that holds any water, and it only matters for people who need to remember the domain name. There are an awful lot of circumstances in which that's not a consideration.

It's also questionable how long that will remain true, since .info makes more sense to the mind than .com. Not to mention that people are becoming more aware of extensions and the like as they get familiar with the net.

That aside, it's interesting to watch someone carry confirmation bias this far. You do realize, I hope, that this particular point, while it has some limited truth, is completely irrelevant to your initial argument?

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Al,

However a professional approach would be a .com domain.

Common and significant error. You are conflating conventional with professional. Please define your intended meaning for the word "professional," in this context.

Many people feel that a first name as a username is unprofessional. Yet, I've used paul[-at-]talkbiz.com as my primary email address for over a decade, without any challenges. I would NOT, however, use pleasejust[-at-]duckoffandfly.com as a business address, as that would, to me, be inappropriate in my business. (Why yes, I do own that domain.)

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Preben Frenning

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Al,Common and significant error. You are conflating conventional with professional. Please define your intended meaning for the word "professional," in this context.

Many people feel that a first name as a username is unprofessional. Yet, I've used paul[-at-]talkbiz.com as my primary email address for over a decade, without any challenges. I would NOT, however, use pleasejust[-at-]duckoffandfly.com as a business address, as that would, to me, be inappropriate in my business. (Why yes, I do own that domain.)

Paul

Agreed. Having a .com address for a ppc landing page only is just plain dumb, if that's the only intention for it. (Unless it's for a big company)

As for email, having first name @.. is considered to be very professional, unless it's the email for orders/sales/support etc.
It's extremely common to have first name first for small-medium companies. For the bigger ones, it makes sense to include last name as well.

But the last point is the most important one really. "In my business".
People can say whatever they want, but you most likely know your customers best. Especially if you're a marketer.

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candoit2

14 years ago

Is it just me or does it seem that the average person who is so skeptical that they assume a .info is an automatic scam is quite possibly a high refund risk had you used a .com and they had purchased?

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Preben,

As for email, having first name @.. is considered to be very professional, unless it's the email for orders/sales/support etc.

There are a great many people who disagree with you on this. (I'm clearly not one of them.) They want to see first and last name, first initial and last name, or some title in the userpart.

They're not in any kind of majority, but there are a lot of them out there. As in, millions. It's not how they're used to seeing things done, so they consider it unprofessional. These are often the same people who consider any small business to be unprofessional, and who consider certain objects to be useful symbols of "status."

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Preben Frenning

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Preben,There are a great many people who disagree with you on this. (I'm clearly not one of them.) They want to see first and last name, first initial and last name, or some title in the userpart.

They're not in any kind of majority, but there are a lot of them out there. As in, millions. It's not how they're used to seeing things done, so they consider it unprofessional. These are often the same people who consider any small business to be unprofessional, and who consider certain objects to be useful symbols of "status."

Paul

That's why everyone should consider what their customers think, rather than themselves. If you know your customers lose credibility in you if you have your first name, the of course you don't do that.

Also, it's obviously a cultural "thing". Here in Norway, I call and email businesses every day, ranging from $2m revenue to $100m revenue, and it varies a lot. Most of them have their first name, but the bigger ones usually have the last name as well. It makes sense to include the last name when there might be more people with the same name in the company.

I can agree that the same companies would also consider small companies as unprofessional.

Still, I use my first name, my clients find that professional enough, and it makes it easy for me, and easy for them to remember my email

Anyways, it looks like we agree, let's not hijack this thread with "First only or first+last name in business email?" :p

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Preben,

That's why everyone should consider what their customers think, rather than themselves. If you know your customers lose credibility in you if you have your first name, the of course you don't do that.

What if only some of them think a certain way?

For instance, back when I wrote copy for clients, I had a rule: If I couldn't make someone laugh - twice - within the first half hour on the phone, I didn't work with them. Some folks found my approach unprofessional, but that just saved us both a lot of wasted time and effort.

It's a filter.

My newsletter site is the antithesis of what most people expect in a subscription page. It's plain text, 2200+ words of it. That runs some people off, both due to the casual formatting and the wordiness of the intro. But, if that bothers them, they're not going to read the issues, which are usually longer than that. So, it saves them time.

I use a different set of techniques to get the desired result, and they seem decidedly unprofessional to many people. But they work for me. Very well, in fact.

We're in agreement here, except for one word being missing from your quoted comment: It should read "desired customers."

Too many people want every customer possible, and end up losing a lot because they don't define who they personally want to work with.

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Preben Frenning

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Preben,What if only some of them think a certain way?

For instance, back when I wrote copy for clients, I had a rule: If I couldn't make someone laugh - twice - within the first half hour on the phone, I didn't work with them. Some folks found my approach unprofessional, but that just saved us both a lot of wasted time and effort.

It's a filter.

My newsletter site is the antithesis of what most people expect in a subscription page. It's plain text, 2200+ words of it. That runs some people off, both due to the casual formatting and the wordiness of the intro. But, if that bothers them, they're not going to read the issues, which are usually longer than that. So, it saves them time.

I use a different set of techniques to get the desired result, and they seem decidedly unprofessional to many people. But they work for me. Very well, in fact.

We're in agreement here, except for one word being missing from your quoted comment: It should read "desired customers."

Too many people want every customer possible, and end up losing a lot because they don't define who they personally want to work with.

Paul

Very true, and a good point. It's a better long-term strategy you have there, and everything makes sense. And I must admit it was a really good rule you have for yourself there, with the "phone trick".

I obviously have a lot to learn, which is why I'm going to study marketing in the Fall

With a specialization in Strategic Expansion, and a "self focus" on guerilla marketing, viral marketing and perceived value.

Anyways, we totally agree now

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

If I couldn't make someone laugh - twice - within the first half hour on the phone, I didn't work with them.

I like this rule. I may steal it.

I also note the phrase "on the phone" in there

Too many people want every customer possible, and end up losing a lot because they don't define who they personally want to work with.

I like to point to Laura Cutler, who said in an interview with Inc. magazine:

"Remember, we're not talking about mass products and mass markets anymore. You're looking for 10%, and you're looking for intensity. It's not good enough any longer that 80% think it's nice. Nice is nowhere. You need 10% who love it."

Also in that interview, there's a bit at the bottom of page 3 on doing market research that works. There's this pattern in Laura's methodology, if you really look at it, where (if I may refer obliquely to another thread) the key to continued success is to keep one foot firmly in the ivory tower and one foot well out of it. You can't ignore the techniques and tactics of big business, but you have to apply them the same way small business does.

And I'm really starting to see this huge gap in the world where nobody knows how to run a medium business, it's either a "mom and pop" kind of operation or it's a big corporation. Joel Spolsky calls them the "Ben and Jerry's" and "Amazon" models, and the problem is that the overwhelming majority of businesses are neither.

We always talk about the companies that have 1% market share and up, but lurking in the corner of that pie chart is this tiny little sliver that says "other" - and there are thousands of companies in there, companies with 0.00001% market share, who are not failures by any stretch of the imagination. And while the popular misconception is that they're little mom and pop operations, there are multi-million dollar companies in that sliver.
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Originally Posted by Paul Myers

If I couldn't make someone laugh - twice - within the first half hour on the phone, I didn't work with them.

Paul

Seeing some of your jokes I could assume you don't work with a lot of people.
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Andyhenry

14 years ago

I'm glad to see some common sense filtering in to this thread.

There's so much BS being said here that just doesn't hold up.

If YOU think differently of a person or product because of the tld - fine. You're entitled to your opinion, but stating such stuff as fact just makes you look stupid.

Several people have listed 'reasons for choosing a .info' as though their logic is universal and comprehensive - it's BS.

I have at least 50 .info domains.

I HAVE tested whether selling from them compared to .com's makes a difference and for it makes ZERO difference.

Paul and Caliban have already stated why - almost everything depends on where the traffic came from.

Since I've been in IM for over a decade the people I market to generally know me and I could throw up a Paypal button onto a free blog hosted by an obscure local hosting company and it would make practically no difference to my conversion rate.

I happily buy stuff all the time from sites with zero regard to their domain extension, when I see .info I think........ NOTHING. I don't give a crap.

Sure, when I'm entering a new niche or launching a new site I tend to go for the .com - just because I've found that if people can't remember the domain extension, that's the one they'll try first.

BUT most of my traffic comes from people following links - so their ability to remember my domain extension is not a factor.

To come here a mock people for using .info's is just stupid - sorry.

Putting all this emphasis on the extension and then making out that there are only negative reasons for buying them to justify your position doesn't make sense.

You have no idea why some people buy .info extensions (obviously)

I had over 1000 .info domains at one point and it was nothing to do with whether the .com was available or the price of the domain, or anything to do with confidence of the product - actually they were all information sites so it just made sense and certainly never had any adverse affect as far as indexing, serps or sales goes.

If you don't like the way someone else does their business - why not just get on with your own instead of creating a negative thread and pushing out misinformation just to stroke your ego.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Andy,

If you don't like the way someone else does their business - why not just get on with your own instead of creating a negative thread and pushing out misinformation just to stroke your ego.

Something annoyed her/him, and that required a response.

The rest is just details.

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Michael Thorsett 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Andy,Something annoyed her/him, and that required a response.

The rest is just details.

Paul

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H.Miller

14 years ago

Alot of people use .infos and they are very successful. I honestly don't think people care if its .info .tv or .blahblah as long as it provides them with valuable information.

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revenue27

14 years ago

Interesting thread, I do have .info domain, I use it to sell stuff from amazon, and it still there are people that buy through my website. IMO it depends on the buyers need, if they are really needing the products they will buy it anyway, no matter where they land it on.

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DogScout

14 years ago

You can make up for not having an exact match for a keyword phrase URL. It is now such a small piece of the puzzle as to be virtually a non-consideration. (In my world).

Most off-line marketing will have the client type in a .com by habit. If they forget the extension... they will probably give up before they find the .info

There are appropriate uses for it, as someone said, tracking and other strickly online uses, but unless you just totally ignore all off-line markets, using anything but a .com will cost you money, in my opinion. Much more than the extra $5.50 it takes to get a .com

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Originally Posted by precious007

I wouldn't call him a scammer right of the bat,

The are .info domains that are making a fortune,
look them up in google..

It's not always the extension that matters.

However a professional approach would be
a .com domain.

Al.

I agree, but *.info could sometimes make a lot of sense.
Nothing wrong with "internetmarketing.info" <-- example

Do you think that the common joe off the street knows about that "...info is less worth than .com?" 99% of people "out there" don't know anything about such things.

A site like migraine.info or whatever i could come up with now...would make a lot of sense, IMO.

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susinggih

14 years ago

If you expect most of your traffic are coming from search engine and you have limited budget to compete in terms of backlinks with your competitors then yes I agree that .info is a bad choice. You want to start your site with .com. Or at least .net or .org.

But if you don't expect to get traffic from search engine than why would you want to have .com? No use at all.

Personally, (SEO factors excluded) I love domain with .net. It sound the coolest

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Janice Sperry

14 years ago

I agree with most that a .info in many cases does not make a difference.

However, I agree with the OP that .com is the best way to go for IM and other eBiz related sites.

I have never done split testing but I know how I respond as a "customer" or "searcher". When I see .info it is automatically a red flag for several reasons. I may or may not do more investigating. Too be honest in most cases I just leave the site or never visit it in the first place. Right or wrong I automatically think this person does not know what they are doing, they do not care enough to buy a .com, or they are just preying on unsuspecting newbies. They could be just trying to clone another site and I would rather go to the original which is usually a .com. I want to do my eBiz business with experienced professionals that are serious about their website. Just having a .com does not in itself prove anything but it is one less red flag when I am reviewing the site.

My thinking could be faulty but I know for a fact that .info's, .net's, etc have lost MY business on occasion.

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Good post JMS.

Originally Posted by JMS

I agree with most that a .info in many cases does not make a difference.

However, I agree with the OP that .com is the best way to go for IM and other eBiz related sites.

I have never done split testing but I know how I respond as a "customer" or "searcher". When I see .info it is automatically a red flag for several reasons. I may or may not do more investigating. Too be honest in most cases I just leave the site or never visit it in the first place. Right or wrong I automatically think this person does not know what they are doing, they do not care enough to buy a .com, or they are just preying on unsuspecting newbies. They could be just trying to clone another site and I would rather go to the original which is usually a .com. I want to do my eBiz business with experienced professionals that are serious about their website. Just having a .com does not in itself prove anything but it is one less red flag when I am reviewing the site.

My thinking could be faulty but I know for a fact that .info's, .net's, etc have lost MY business on occasion.

Just one thing...

Originally Posted by JMS

My thinking could be faulty

No it's perfectly normal. And there are lots, and I mean lots of people
like you and me.

But apparently a lot of folks here find it hard to believe that... and I
have absoultely no idea why.

Let them test so they can see for themselves

Cheers man.

Originally Posted by Trent Brownrigg

This is about like saying that you can't use a free blogger (blogspot) blog if you want to make money online. And a lot of people say that. Yet the #1 ranked site for Make Money Online (and just about every other related keyword phrase) is a free blogger blog.

No this isn't like that at all. This is all about whether an internet marketer will be turned off
by a money making product on a .info domain or not.

Most do even if they don't admit it.

And that obviously leads to a good question, should you sell an IM product
on a .com or on a .info? I say .com

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

And there are lots, and I mean lots of people like you and me.

There are also lots, and I mean lots of people who have a foot fetish.

It doesn't make them normal, and it doesn't make me care.
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14 years ago

This is about like saying that you can't use a free blogger (blogspot) blog if you want to make money online. And a lot of people say that. Yet the #1 ranked site for Make Money Online (and just about every other related keyword phrase) is a free blogger blog.

I will agree that a .com domain gives a little more credibility, at least in my eyes, and so does having your own domain/hosting... but that doesn't mean the person without them is a scammer or liar. A lot of rich people are very tight with their money and don't waste a cent if they don't have to. Maybe that is the case here.

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crystalq

14 years ago

I keep seeing this again & again. Today I was browsing
on twitter and stumbled upon a profile of a person
that claimed he's a millionaire from internet
marketing.

I check out his website (which sells an IM product)
and it's a .info domain.

Fake it till you make

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Thread summary, after the OP:

"You've got no proof of that, so we don't buy it as fact."

"I don't need to prove it, since I already know it's a fact, because I believe it and I'm smart."

"That's not proof."

Blather. Rant. Repeat.

Paul

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Thread summary, after the OP:

"You've got no proof of that, so we don't buy it as fact."

"I don't need to prove it, since I already know it's a fact, because I believe it and I'm smart."

"That's not proof."

Blather. Rant. Repeat.

Paul

Internet Marketers:

.com - Won't hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .com
.info - Some will hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .info

So obviously, it'll be better if you sell your IM product on a .com
domain.

You don't need to be smart to figure that out.

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Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Internet Marketers:

.com - Won't hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .com
.info - Some will hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .info

So obviously, it'll be better if you sell your IM product on a .com
domain.

You don't need to be smart to figure that out.

I would hesitate to purchase any product whether it be a .com or a .info.

Most of the time I never notice if it is a .com or a .info. Those .tv are really the ones to look out for.

I must not be an internet marketer.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

Internet Marketers:

.com - Won't hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .com
.info - Some will hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .info

So obviously, it'll be better if you sell your IM product on a .com
domain.

You don't need to be smart to figure that out.

Oh, here's a great product. Just what I've been looking for. And look, the price really fits my budget, and what a great bonus. I have to have this, it's perfect.

Oops . . . it's a .info site, I guess I won't buy it. Damn, i really wanted it, too.

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No, sorry, I really don't see that happening very often.

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Internet Marketers:

.com - Won't hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .com
.info - Some will hesitate to buy an IM product just because it's on a .info

Enough to matter? That really is the question.

I suspect a lot more will be turned off by whatever sales format you choose (none of them appeals to everyone), and that the .info/.com stuff is so low it's lost in the noise.

That assumes it even exists. A lot of people say they'll do X, Y or Z, until they're put in the position where they actually have to make a decision. And then they look at some extraneous factor to explain a decision they don't want to face directly. That is an extremely common thing.

And there's the very real possibility that an info product on a .info site will ring true with some folks, which may offset the .com prejudice, possibly in a profitable direction.

You continue to assert this stuff as fact, when there is not one shred of proof for it. The rest of us simply question it. Largely because of the lack of proof...

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John Atkins

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Enough to matter? That really is the question.

I suspect a lot more will be turned off by whatever sales format you choose (none of them appeals to everyone), and that the .info/.com stuff is so low it's lost in the noise.

Yes of course, a lot more will be turned off by the sales
format rather than the tld. But hey, this is not something
that requires additional work. All you need to do is spend
$8 a year instead of $1.

And even if you get only one or 2 extra sales because
it's .com, that would still be worth it if they exceed $8. *

* Now alright, you like to be 100% sure of something before
saying it. You'll probably say, there's no telling if you'll
generate more sales or less sales.

But let's think about this for a second...

I highly doubt that a .info domain will ring true with a website
where the owner claims that he makes plenty of money and
sells an infoproduct that teaches people how to make money.

What do you think?

The way I see it, by using a .info to sell a product like that
you would be giving people another reason to become more
suspicous.

Which is why I keep saying that I'm sure that .com will work better
for this.

Now I perfectly understand your comments. You're trying to show
people that they need to test before making conclusions.

I understand that and I respect that.

But I think that deep down, you know that it'll probably
be worth it to use .com to sell that kind of product.

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CDarklock

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I highly doubt that a .info domain will ring true with a website where the owner claims that he makes plenty of money and sells an infoproduct that teaches people how to make money.

Hm.

"Tip 1: Every time you buy a .info instead of a .com, you save $8 a year. This may not seem like a lot, but when you have thousands of domains it starts to add up. Only a few anal-retentive freaks care what extension your domain has anyway, and if you spend half of that $8 you saved on PPC traffic you'll more than make up for any sales you might have lost."

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

I highly doubt that a .info domain will ring true with a website where the owner claims that he makes plenty of money and sells an infoproduct that teaches people how to make money.

Why? How does that have anything to do with the issue? I'm pretty good at seeing other perspectives, and looking for what's right in them. I can't wrap my head around the idea that the TLD has anything to do with the credibility of the product or merchant. It just doesn't make sense, except as a function of mental habit.

But I think that deep down, you know that it'll probably be worth it to use .com to sell that kind of product.

No, I don't think it will matter. At all. But that's not proven, either way.

When I said that a .info domain for an info product rings truer for me, I meant it. It just seems more congruent.

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John Atkins 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

I can't wrap my head around the idea that the TLD has anything to do with the credibility of the product or merchant.

Some people buy a .info because they're really short on cash. Now
obviously, that's NOT the only reason. Others buy them to
save money, while some others may buy them because they
like them, etc...

But is "rich joe" really selling his IM product on a .info because he
likes .info? Or is he selling it on a .info because he's lying, and in
reality he's short on cash and he's trying to make a buck by selling
false information? (There's always this possibility)

Different people, different opinions. In a scenario like that my
thoughts will be the latter.

Anyway, I'll close here, otherwise this debate will contnue
to go forever... lol
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- CDarklock 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by IM Headlines
  
  But is "rich joe" really selling his IM product on a .info because he likes .info? Or is he selling it on a .info because he's lying
  
  Whenever you find yourself wondering "Is this person stupid or evil?" - the answer is almost invariably "stupid."
  
  For example, someone might think that you are pushing people away from .info domains because you have some secret method of making lots of money with .info domains, and you are trying to hog all of them to yourself. That would be evil.
  
  But the answer is pretty much never "evil."
  
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Cezar R Abadiano

14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

I highly doubt that a .info domain will ring true with a website where the owner claims that he makes plenty of money and sells an infoproduct that teaches people how to make money.

I don't thing whether or not you have a .info or .com will matter if you claim to be making a lot of money on that site.

Wouldn't a human being's inherent suspicion kick in simply from the very claim that you're making millions? Wouldn't they ask why then are you selling anything if you already have millions.

And if you are doing this to help people then why are you charging us for it?

You know those kinds of questions would pop in my mind if I see a site with the owner claiming to make a lot of money.

I don't even bother nor care about whether it's .info, .com or .net.

And I would think people are like that.

My own opinion of course.

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CDarklock 14 years ago

Originally Posted by IM Headlines

You don't need to be smart to figure that out.

You really don't seem to grasp this.

Everybody hates lightboxes. But we use them, and people buy.

Everybody hates exit pop-ups. But we use them, and people buy.

Everybody hates long sales pages. But we use them, and people buy.

Everybody hates fake chat scripts. But we use them, and people buy.

Everybody hates computer-animated salespeople. But we use them, and people buy.

Everybody hates "who else wants to" in the headline. But we use that, and people buy.

Then... after they buy... they come here and tell everybody how much they hate what they just saw, demanding to know why we still do it.

Because people buy.

You can tell me you'll never buy from a .info until you're blue in the face.

The fact is, you'll buy from EVERY .info you EVER see that has a product you actually want on it.

You are never going to walk away from the product you want just because it's on a .info domain. You are walking away from this one because you think the seller is scamming you. And you think it has something to do with the .info domain.

It doesn't. And so long as you believe it does, you are a perfect customer for anyone and everyone that thinks it's ethical to sell garbage to the gullible. Because you don't know why you buy.
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George Wright

14 years ago

Paul,

You just gave me a great idea for a URL to add to my collection. BlatherRantRepeat.com

On second thought I think I'll grab BlatherRantRepeat.info

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txconx

14 years ago

I think most people don't notice the extension unless they're trying to go back to a site and then they will default to dot-com.

But I don't understand why you'd stick with dot-info if the dot-com was available. Even if it wasn't available at first, if it becomes available later, it would be smart to buy it and then redirect.

Face it - dot-com is the top TLD in everyone's mind. I wouldn't built a business on a dot-info, but I might put a site that is what you'd expect to see on a dot-info domain name - an information site. But definitely not a business.

However, I don't advise anyone to spend thousands of dollars on a domain name unless you have a very good plan for how you will profit from it.

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zachary0611

14 years ago

I use .infos for redirects

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Paul Myers 14 years ago

By the way, IMH... I have no real interest in convincing you on this topic. That's usually a losing bet when someone has their ego invested in a conclusion. Besides, it's possible that your conclusion may turn out to be right. Asserting it as fact is not, however, when there are so many other credible scenarios that could also be right.

My goal here is to show the folks who haven't made up their minds, based on nothing, how to look at and for alternative possibilities. To ignore assumptions as having no value other than as a basis for testing.

If someone does a properly controlled test and comes up with a statistically significant result, I will adopt that as a working theory. For that market.

Until then, none of us know. But some of us know we don't.

Paul
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coluden

14 years ago

A .info is often used for many reasons, and I would not take offense at that. I would however be seriously offended at anyone who claims to be a millionaire if he is clearly not. Lying to gullible newbies is most disdainful.

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jjpmarketing

14 years ago

Any domain can be monetized when it comes to the major TLD's like .com, .net, .org, .biz, etc. etc.

However from a traffic standpoint, keep in mind that .com is the first TLD your browser searches for. If you hit ctrl + enter it will go directly to the .com of whatever you typed in the URL bar.

.com will always be the undisputed king of TLD's.

But the success of a website has more to do with the effort put into promotions, seo, content, etc. than it does with the TLD being used. As far as tracking goes, that is what Google Analytics and similar software is for.

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derekwong28

14 years ago

I am really surprised how this thread had gone. The $8 saving is for the first year only, you pay the full .com price the second and subsequent years.

I thought what the OP said was quite reasonable in the beginning but then went off track. If you want a domain for your main business, why should register the .info domain when the .com is available? Given that the lifetime savings is only $8?

Even if the .com is taken, why would you want to register any other extension for your main business? For a start, you are diluting your brand as customers may confuse your business with that of the .com. Also, there is a small chance that the owner of the .com domain may have registered it as a trademark.

I understand why gurus and highly experienced marketeers may use lots of .info domains. I do accept all the arguments raised here and have up to 500 .info at any one time. However, I would not think of using it as my main website. The thought of using a .info domain for the main website is completely unthinkable in e-commerce.

Of course, most customers do not care. But those who do may turn out to be your most important ones. It could be those who are interested in placing large trade orders or super-affiliates doing research on your website. That is why they may be interested in small things like the presence of a physical address, a contact telephone number, an SSL certificate, BBB seals etc. etc. This is why I really cannot see why you want to use a .info domain for your main business if you only save $8 for the lifetime of your business.

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