Looking for advice/partner on how to proceed

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Hello everyone. My name is John and to be honest I feel a little intimated being in a forum as this with so many sucessful members. I am probably older than many on here and probably know the least.
I never even heard of this forum if it was not for a trading friend that told me about you. He said to come on here and just tell them what you have and you will for sure get help.

Well here I am in reading what I just wrote you see I use the word trading friend. This is how I make my living I am a currency trader aka Forex trading.
It took me a long time of many many losses, blown accounts and starting all over again many times to get to the place I am now.
I have developed a very simple, accurate and successful trading system that I have personally been using for months with great success. I have written a short PdF manual with the software you need to trade my system(software is free not mine) however the unique way of usng the software to win trades is mine.

Okay now I am looking for advice on how to move into the next step and make my system a product for sale on the net. I have complete faith in this system. I can show someone that knows next to nothing about Forex trading and in less than a half hour they will have the knowledge to begin and make money in Forex. I would love to retired by putting my system up for sale and enjoying the profits and also knowing that I have actually help a few people to find a way to win at this very difficult business called Forex.

Well that's it. I am open to any and all serious input that any viewer may have. I know the idea works because I am doing it, I know people will buy it because it works. What I do not know is the best way to get my product to the potential buyers.

Oh I was reading the rules here. I am not really a forum type of person however I will be checking ant responses. The rules say I need 50 posts to be able to pm anyone here so if you wish me to respond to you please leave a way I can get back to you.

Thanks again this is really quite the forum
and have a great Sunday
John Milks
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  • Hey John,

    Sounds like you've got an interesting project. Pretty much this is how I, and most any other serious internet marketers are going to tell you the best way to do it.

    You're going to need 4 key components in order to make an honest go of the online information marketing business:

    1. A Lead Capture Page
    2. An eMail Autoresponder
    3. A Front End Offer
    4. Backend Offer(s)
    You need to make a lead capture page showing people that you have this special insider knowledge on how to use free software to make money in Forex. In order to find out what this software is you need their email.

    Once they give you the email, you need direct them to your front end offer, which is going to be a long form sales letter for your PDF ebook. In the sales copy you need to have a lot of PROOF elements.

    These can be things like bank statements, 1099 scans, testimonials from others, scan of checks, etc. In the "make more money" niche markets proof is very valuable. If possible make a video or two of you logging into your trading accounts and show off some gains you've had. You can never have too much proof.

    Provide them a way to purchase the product, like Paypal or Clickbank. Secondly, after they purchase take them to another page with an email opt-in box so they have to enter their email address again to receive the product.

    You do that so you can separate your list from free subscribers and people who've actually bought from you.

    If someone doesn't buy the product outright, you have their email and you can draft a series of emails to try to get them to come back and purchase the product. Your autoresponder will take care of this for you.

    Now that you've gotten someone to buy the ebook, the buck doesn't stop there. A lot of people make it to this point and enjoy healthy incomes, but like I said if you want to make a serious go at this business you need to have some back-end offers in place to promote to the list of buyers that you've gotten to buy your front end offer.

    My suggestion would be to put together a Forex monthly membership program. This can be a newsletter that you snail mail them, a members only website, etc.

    It doesn't have to be incredibly life changing stuff since you'll only be charging like $19.97-$37 or so per month. Just good info to keep them up to date with what the market is doing, new trading techniques, interviews with other successful traders, current world events that are going to effect forex, etc.

    You want to be able to charge your customers month after month. That way you increase the lifetime value of your customers and you can afford to spend a lot more on advertising initially, which will grow your list faster.

    And if your product is good and actually works, many people will be eager to purchase more from you. As long as you provide high quality stuff that really works, the buyers list will keep you and your family fed for a long time.

    After you've got a nice sized list, you can seek out other people with products in that niche and promote them to your buyers. You can also get others in the niche to promote your front end offer as well.

    The true secret to making it in the internet information marketing business is to realize that your main goal is not to make money by selling people information.

    Your main goal should always be to find ways of providing high quality information to people in order to get them on a buyers list.

    Building your list is your #1 top priority, and the real beauty of this is, is that once you setup all 4 components, you just drive traffic to your lead capture page everyday and the money just keeps coming in on autopilot.

    If you got any questions or just wanna chat some more just email me
    claudeclubbs =at= gmail dot com

    Hope this helps,

    -Claude
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
      Great thank you very much Claude,
      Can I hire you to set me up!lol
      Seriously you have the eyes that are well seasoned and know what to look for. I have all the goodies.

      I like what you say about giving people information. The reason I am so excited with my new system is it's one of the very few that makes money(I have been using it for months now) and you can also start with a little as $100 deposit.

      Forex has been good to me and it's a nice feeling to be able to give the people a system that works as it is a fact over 95% of the people that trade Forex lose.
      You will not win all of them with my system but the amount you win will always be greater than your loss. In my early days I had spent $1000 on different forex systems that were suppose to do what mine actually does so I feel I have something very special here and I just want to get off to a professional start. I admit marketing is not my area of strength.

      I would have sent this as a pm to you but my post count is too low.

      Cheerrs
      John







      Originally Posted by TrafficGuy Claude View Post

      Hey John,

      Sounds like you've got an interesting project. Pretty much this is how I, and most any other serious internet marketers are going to tell you the best way to do it.

      You're going to need 4 key components in order to make an honest go of the online information marketing business:

      1. A Lead Capture Page
      2. An eMail Autoresponder
      3. A Front End Offer
      4. Backend Offer(s)
      You need to make a lead capture page showing people that you have this special insider knowledge on how to use free software to make money in Forex. In order to find out what this software is you need their email.

      Once they give you the email, you need direct them to your front end offer, which is going to be a long form sales letter for your PDF ebook. In the sales copy you need to have a lot of PROOF elements.

      These can be things like bank statements, 1099 scans, testimonials from others, scan of checks, etc. In the "make more money" niche markets proof is very valuable. If possible make a video or two of you logging into your trading accounts and show off some gains you've had. You can never have too much proof.

      Provide them a way to purchase the product, like Paypal or Clickbank. Secondly, after they purchase take them to another page with an email opt-in box so they have to enter their email address again to receive the product.

      You do that so you can separate your list from free subscribers and people who've actually bought from you.

      If someone doesn't buy the product outright, you have their email and you can draft a series of emails to try to get them to come back and purchase the product. Your autoresponder will take care of this for you.

      Now that you've gotten someone to buy the ebook, the buck doesn't stop there. A lot of people make it to this point and enjoy healthy incomes, but like I said if you want to make a serious go at this business you need to have some back-end offers in place to promote to the list of buyers that you've gotten to buy your front end offer.

      My suggestion would be to put together a Forex monthly membership program. This can be a newsletter that you snail mail them, a members only website, etc.

      It doesn't have to be incredibly life changing stuff since you'll only be charging like $19.97-$37 or so per month. Just good info to keep them up to date with what the market is doing, new trading techniques, interviews with other successful traders, current world events that are going to effect forex, etc.

      You want to be able to charge your customers month after month. That way you increase the lifetime value of your customers and you can afford to spend a lot more on advertising initially, which will grow your list faster.

      And if your product is good and actually works, many people will be eager to purchase more from you. As long as you provide high quality stuff that really works, the buyers list will keep you and your family fed for a long time.

      After you've got a nice sized list, you can seek out other people with products in that niche and promote them to your buyers. You can also get others in the niche to promote your front end offer as well.

      The true secret to making it in the internet information marketing business is to realize that your main goal is not to make money by selling people information.

      Your main goal should always be to find ways of providing high quality information to people in order to get them on a buyers list.

      Building your list is your #1 top priority, and the real beauty of this is, is that once you setup all 4 components, you just drive traffic to your lead capture page everyday and the money just keeps coming in on autopilot.

      If you got any questions or just wanna chat some more just email me
      claudeclubbs =at= gmail dot com

      Hope this helps,

      -Claude
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  • @Johnmilks - Glad to be of some help, please send me an email here and we can talk more - claudeclubbs@gmail.com
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  • Profile picture of the author kiopa
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    See, this is the thing I somewhat despise about online marketing. You say you've figured out an excellent method to make good money with Forex trading. Yet, you say you want to earn a retirement by selling your eBook that explains your Forex trading method.

    If the method was as good as you claim, why not just use it yourself to earn a retirement income?
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
      What your saying makes no sense in reality.
      First I do make my living off this method. t is not a get rich scheme but a sure method of winning at Forex. Because you know little or nothing about Forex I can see why you made such a uneducated comment.
      You might be too young to know this but in life nothing is free. You pay a price for everything. Life has a way to bring you to balance if your over one way or the other.

      My system is the combined effort of my time and my money. The method just did not fly into my lap. It makes perfect sense to me that I hold both truths 1. I have a proven method and 2. I wish to market that method.
      Your comment is really strange.
      John



      Originally Posted by kiopa View Post

      See, this is the thing I somewhat despise about online marketing. You say you've figured out an excellent method to make good money with Forex trading. Yet, you say you want to earn a retirement by selling your eBook that explains your Forex trading method.

      If the method was as good as you claim, why not just use it yourself to earn a retirement income?
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      • Profile picture of the author kiopa
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        Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

        Because you know little or nothing about Forex I can see why you made such a uneducated comment.
        I don't need to know anything about Forex to make your claim about a proven method questionable. In the OP, you said:

        Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

        I would love to retired by putting my system up for sale and enjoying the profits
        That tells me due to your "proven method" in Forex trading, you don't make enough for a sustainable retirement income. That's why you're looking to sell an eBook.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mister Bryan
          Hi John,

          I've read your post and I'm pretty much impressed, that someone like yourself, who has already made quite a killing in Forex would be so generous to step forth and help others.

          I'd love to be able to help you and possibly partner with you if you'd like. I've sent you a PM on this with my contact details and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

          Best Regards
          Lazy Bryan
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          • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
            Thank you LB,

            I will send you a email




            Originally Posted by Lazy Bryan View Post

            Hi John,

            I've read your post and I'm pretty much impressed, that someone like yourself, who has already made quite a killing in Forex would be so generous to step forth and help others.

            I'd love to be able to help you and possibly partner with you if you'd like. I've sent you a PM on this with my contact details and I look forward to hearing from you soon.

            Best Regards
            Lazy Bryan
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        • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
          Not sure if your a troll or whatever but I hope that you are not a example of people on this forum that have marketing skill because you really do not have any.
          go away and let people that actually want to help vs whining about despises the internet bla bla bla. I mean guy you are for sure in the wrong camp here to start a war with internet marketing IMHO





          Originally Posted by kiopa View Post

          I don't need to know anything about Forex to make your claim about a proven method questionable. In the OP, you said:



          That tells me due to your "proven method" in Forex trading, you don't make enough for a sustainable retirement income. That's why you're looking to sell an eBook.
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          • Profile picture of the author graphicsgenie
            @ Johnmilks

            Just ignore the comments like you got from that member, as you can see they are new and don't represent the majority on here. The majority would applaude you for your efforts to date and wish you luck in your online journey.

            I'd be willing to give you a helping hand if you require it, you can email me over at my site, www.graphicsgenie.com

            Thanks and good luck.

            Darren
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            • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
              Thank you Darren,

              I do appreciate all these responses . i know I have something good here all t needs is the right vehicle to be in to do well for myself and whoever is helping me launch..







              Originally Posted by graphicsgenie View Post

              @ Johnmilks

              Just ignore the comments like you got from that member, as you can see they are new and don't represent the majority on here. The majority would applaude you for your efforts to date and wish you luck in your online journey.


              Thanks and good luck.

              Darren
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          • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
            Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

            Not sure if your a troll or whatever but I hope that you are not a example of people on this forum that have marketing skill because you really do not have any.
            go away and let people that actually want to help vs whining about despises the internet bla bla bla. I mean guy you are for sure in the wrong camp here to start a war with internet marketing IMHO
            I'm only going to say this once...

            Quit with the personal insults.

            kiopa made a reasonable assumption on the basis of the information
            you provided. There is a culture of questioning and challenging on
            this forum. You need to get used to that quickly.

            Perhaps you could explain why your system isn't capable of providing
            the level of income you require to sustain your retirement?

            John
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            • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
              Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

              Perhaps you could explain why your system isn't capable of providing
              the level of income you require to sustain your retirement?

              John
              Okay I am certainly not looking for a war I simply disagree with you that it was reasonable. It's just that I would not expect that attitude in a forum that makes it's living in marketing. this is exactly how wrong info gets peddled on the net at almost warp speed. You take one member K who distorted what I said, then assumed something that was not there and the assumption was so good that a moderator bought it.

              This is exactly what I want to avoid. I never once said that my system will provide you with any kind of retirement that is screw up #1
              I never made the comparison that the only money that I am looking to come in is money from my own trading.
              that is screw up #2.

              What I did say was that I have a geniune working system that makes money. The amount of money it will make is determine on many factors not the factor that this poster thought it was a genie in a lamp but actual effort.

              So maybe now you can see where these assumptions leave you?
              One thing I learned early on in business was never to assume anything and then only make a guess of what is after closely examining the info.
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              • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
                Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

                One thing I learned early on in business was never to assume anything and then only make a guess of what is after closely examining the info.
                That's why people will question and challenge
                you.

                Especially when you say...

                This is how I make my living I am a currency trader aka Forex trading.
                I have developed a very simple, accurate and successful trading system that I have personally been using for months with great success.
                There have been many people with great systems.
                Many of those people have resorted to sell their
                system because it generates more income for them
                than the system itself. Hence the cynicism, questioning
                and challenging.

                John
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                • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
                  That s possible however the other possibility is the person just became tired of trading. Why do the question always have to gravitate to the negative of something. When anyone comments me like that member did I immediately feel he is Jealous and is not a good marketer. Good marketer are happy people and if your happy with what you do then your happy for someone else making it. It's unnatural to think differently.

                  Plus this is not a place for challenging anything I would think if a person came up with anykind of system like mine a good IM person would jump for joy and try to ride that wagon not discredit it so I really fail to see any wisdom at all so far here.

                  Anyhow have a nice Sunday or beginning Monday I am sure you are not paid to moderate this forum . I mean that as a compliment



                  Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post




                  There have been many people with great systems.
                  Many of those people have resorted to sell their
                  system because it generates more income for them
                  than the system itself. Hence the cynicism, questioning
                  and challenging.

                  John
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                  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
                    C'mon John,

                    Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

                    That s possible however the other possibility is the person just became tired of trading.
                    I'm sure there are several possibilities. The difficulty
                    is persuading people which one is credible.


                    When anyone comments me like that member did I immediately feel he is Jealous and is not a good marketer.
                    That's to do with your perception of the message, you
                    have no way of knowing the underlying emotion or the
                    intent. You certainly are not qualified to determine
                    anyone's competence as a marketer with such limited
                    information as a forum post.

                    Good marketer are happy people.
                    I know several miserable people who are extremely good
                    marketers.


                    Plus this is not a place for challenging anything I would think if a person came up with anykind of system like mine a good IM person would jump for joy and try to ride that wagon not discredit it so I really fail to see any wisdom at all so far here.
                    I don't see anyone trying to discredit either you or your
                    system.

                    John
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                    • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
                      Sure he was..reread it when someone asks a question like that if your system is so good why are you selling it, what they are really saying is I do not believe you. I know people well John and this is what they do not say but what they do believe. Now such questions are fine when I hire a IM person and we are working on the project. But to snipe something out of my very first post and be negative with it is simply not good business sense and I would not allow such on my own forum for the simple reason it is not productive to do so..





                      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

                      C'mon John,




                      I know several miserable people who are extremely good
                      marketers.




                      I don't see anyone trying to discredit either you or your
                      system.

                      John
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          • Profile picture of the author kiopa
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            Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

            Not sure if your a troll or whatever but I hope that you are not a example of people on this forum that have marketing skill because you really do not have any.
            go away and let people that actually want to help vs whining about despises the internet bla bla bla. I mean guy you are for sure in the wrong camp here to start a war with internet marketing IMHO
            I'm not whining about anything. My apologies for being blunt and honest, but that's just the way I do things. I don't think I was rude or disrespectful, I didn't use any curse words, and wasn't derogatory at all.

            I think I asked a very valid question, and a question that any buyer should ask. If his Forex trading method is so great, why did he say he needs to sell an eBook to stimulate his retirement income, instead of just living off the money he earns from his proven method?

            That's a very valid question, and don't worry, if his method is good, he'll answer this question with quality.
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            • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
              Yes your question was and is very valid for a customer but why ask something like that to a possible client? It's not good business sense.
              You already have your mind made up.





              Originally Posted by kiopa View Post

              I'm not whining about anything. My apologies for being blunt and honest, but that's just the way I do things. I don't think I was rude or disrespectful, I didn't use any curse words, and wasn't derogatory at all.

              I think I asked a very valid question, and a question that any buyer should ask. If his Forex trading method is so great, why did he say he needs to sell an eBook to stimulate his retirement income, instead of just living off the money he earns from his proven method?

              That's a very valid question, and don't worry, if his method is good, he'll answer this question with quality.
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              • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
                Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

                You already have your mind made up.
                Pot calling kettle.

                John
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                • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
                  Your correct on that and maybe I should not assume anything but you know I have been a trader for a long time. I have seen hundreds of systems fall by the wayside most were junk but some were very good systems. So when a person asks me that classic question if so good then why? I have hundreds of systems that compete for my understand on what that person means .

                  To be clear it's the way the person worded what he said. He starts off by saying something like This is why I despise IM first you say this then you say that. I don't know about you but I never despise something first off if I do not understand it.

                  Anyhow I have received a lot of niice responses actually due to that K person post as it brought you on broad and made my post much more visible.
                  So thanks for that.

                  This does seem like a great site for anything dealing with IM.



                  Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

                  Pot calling kettle.

                  John
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    • Profile picture of the author Mister Bryan
      Originally Posted by kiopa View Post

      See, this is the thing I somewhat despise about online marketing. You say you've figured out an excellent method to make good money with Forex trading. Yet, you say you want to earn a retirement by selling your eBook that explains your Forex trading method.

      If the method was as good as you claim, why not just use it yourself to earn a retirement income?
      Kiopa, I'm sorry but I think that's a very unpleasant thing to say to anyone. What about all our "Gurus" within the Internet Marketing niche? Think about all the "new systems, formulas, blueprints and what-not" that they always come up with, claiming to bring us untold riches. Isn't it the same thing?

      When it comes to Internet Marketing, especially information marketing, owning your own product is the best way to make money.

      If I were you, I'd humbly apologise in private to John. BUt that's just me. IN future, please be more mindful with your words.

      Regards
      Lazy BRyan
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
    Thank you Claude..
    John
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  • Profile picture of the author kiopa
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    Sorry John, just read your post above, and it makes complete sense. One of those mis-communication things that happen oh-so-often on the internet.

    In that case, sounds like you have a great product, and are dedicated to it, so hope you do well with it! My apologies for grilling you a bit there, but you have to get used it around this part of the internet. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
    What is the percentage of return your FOREX system gets? How much do you need to get started?

    Thanks John.

    mwiab
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
      Excellent question thank you.


      Unlike many other common Forex systems that require a fairly large deposit to allow for your floating draw down with my system you can start making money with as little as $100 but $500 would give you a whole more of cushion and $500 is what I would suggest I think when I sell the system. Over all my system will come out ahead but with proper money management you could begin with only $100. The reason why I say $500 is much better is the odd chance you come out of the gate losing and you lose like 8 trades in a row then you would need to fall back on your reserves. Can it happen yes about as many times as lightening strikes twice but should still be prepared for.





      Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

      What is the percentage of return your FOREX system gets? How much do you need to get started?

      Thanks John.

      mwiab
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      • Profile picture of the author manwalksintoabar
        But what is the average percentage return? This is the first thing buyers will want to know right out of the gate.

        Thanks John.

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        • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
          Ahhh Ok sorry I did not understand you.
          Your looking at 1.5-2% per day(trading day of course)
          Now this is bult into my system. You see the number 1 reason why good systems fail is never the system it's the human being not following the rules. You follow my rules exactly and you will do on average 1.5-2%

          Rule #1 once you hit your target % 1.5 or2 at the most you close up shop and you do not even look at your trading platform until the next day.
          I have put enough automation in the system to do what is needed to do regardless of the emotions and every trader will tell you it's the emotions that will kill your account and they are Right!





          Originally Posted by manwalksintoabar View Post

          But what is the average percentage return? This is the first thing buyers will want to know right out of the gate.

          Thanks John.

          mwiab
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
    What separates your system from the systems included in programs such as Ivybot, Fapturbo, etc.?

    With the above mentioned EA, long term viability is not much of an option. How about your program?
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnmilks
      Those are EAs Robots for those that do not know Forex.
      Now I am all for automation up to a point. For example my system employs a EA but it's a trade manager EA this means you still manually put in the entry and then the EA takes care of your trade. The EA will close out the trade when you reach a certain take profit, or when the trade goes against you and will also put in a trailing stop loss. All these features are great to automate but the feature that your speaking about and the reason why those EAs will never do well is they also do the entry base on a few rules.

      However trading successfully you need a certain amount of discretion not a lot but some and without it you will always end up on the losing side.



      Originally Posted by mgtarheels View Post

      What separates your system from the systems included in programs such as Ivybot, Fapturbo, etc.?

      With the above mentioned EA, long term viability is not much of an option. How about your program?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Grant
        Originally Posted by Johnmilks View Post

        Those are EAs Robots for those that do not know Forex.
        Now I am all for automation up to a point. For example my system employs a EA but it's a trade manager EA this means you still manually put in the entry and then the EA takes care of your trade. The EA will close out the trade when you reach a certain take profit, or when the trade goes against you and will also put in a trailing stop loss. All these features are great to automate but the feature that your speaking about and the reason why those EAs will never do well is they also do the entry base on a few rules.

        However trading successfully you need a certain amount of discretion not a lot but some and without it you will always end up on the losing side.
        Those programs are able to be manipulated any way the trader sees fit. Stock options, you're correct but you're able to manually put in the settings for the minimums. Because of this, I'm wondering why your system is better.
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