Coach me and I will pay you 20% for the next six months!

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Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
#20% #coach #months #pay
  • Profile picture of the author Damien Roche
    ..and 20% of NOTHING isn't really an incentive.
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    • Profile picture of the author Flareman
      Originally Posted by Damien Roche View Post

      ..and 20% of NOTHING isn't really an incentive.
      LOL.... you've spotted the catch.
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  • Profile picture of the author super
    I doubt any pros will bite
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Pay me $100 per hour and I'll coach you.

      Otherwise. go find somebody willing to work for nothing, because 20% of
      nothing is nothing.
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      • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Pay me $100 per hour and I'll coach you.

        Otherwise. go find somebody willing to work for nothing, because 20% of
        nothing is nothing.
        I'll do it for $125 an hour. I put in hundreds of hours learning IM and spend thousands on training. I give enough free stuff away on my YouTube.

        Great point Steve !!!
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    • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
      I really want to do this...we can talk on MSN and I wil prove I am willing to work! Of course maybe nobody will want to coach me but it doesn't hurt to try!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

        I really want to do this...we can talk on MSN and I wil prove I am willing to work! Of course maybe nobody will want to coach me but it doesn't hurt to try!

        Look, stop being a cheap son of a gun and invest in your education.

        Research a top coach (get references, success stories, etc.) pay him what
        he wants and work with him. Do EVERYTHING he tells you to do.

        Either that or you have 2 choices.

        1. Go it on your own.

        2. Forget about trying to make money online and go get a job working at
        a Burger King.

        Get serious or do something else.
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        • Profile picture of the author Scott Henderson
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Look, stop being a cheap son of a gun and invest in your education.

          Research a top coach (get references, success stories, etc.) pay him what
          he wants and work with him. Do EVERYTHING he tells you to do.

          Either that or you have 2 choices.

          1. Go it on your own.

          2. Forget about trying to make money online and go get a job working at
          a Burger King.

          Get serious or do something else.
          AMEN, perfect response Steve!!
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        • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Look, stop being a cheap son of a gun and invest in your education.

          Research a top coach (get references, success stories, etc.) pay him what
          he wants and work with him. Do EVERYTHING he tells you to do.

          Either that or you have 2 choices.

          1. Go it on your own.

          2. Forget about trying to make money online and go get a job working at
          a Burger King.

          Get serious or do something else.
          ...I prefer Wendys....but, just because I like red heads
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            MagicAce (Marian), I'm not going to pile on here. I'm just going to offer you a little different perspective on what you are asking for.

            You wanted "coaching", right?

            A coach's main job is to make you better at what you are already doing. An athlete doesn't look to acquire a coach to find out whether he should play hockey or go into figure skating, right?

            The athlete says, "I want to be a better hockey player." A good coach can watch them play and hand them a list of things to do - improve their shot, learn to take a body check, improve their pivot, etc. Then a coach (or more likely multiple coaches) can map put a series of steps and exercises and drills to accomplish the items on the list. Finally, a good coach can look at the athlete's performance and point out when the performance diverges from the ideal.

            It sounds like you have a vague idea of what you want to do. Now spend some time visioning, seeing in your mind's eye what that ideal future looks like. Fill in the details. Then you can work backwards and start listing the skills and insights you will need to reach that point. Once you have that list, you'll have a better idea of what kind of specific coaching you need and how to get it.

            Make sense?
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              MagicAce (Marian), I'm not going to pile on here. I'm just going to offer you a little different perspective on what you are asking for.

              You wanted "coaching", right?

              A coach's main job is to make you better at what you are already doing. An athlete doesn't look to acquire a coach to find out whether he should play hockey or go into figure skating, right?

              The athlete says, "I want to be a better hockey player." A good coach can watch them play and hand them a list of things to do - improve their shot, learn to take a body check, improve their pivot, etc. Then a coach (or more likely multiple coaches) can map put a series of steps and exercises and drills to accomplish the items on the list. Finally, a good coach can look at the athlete's performance and point out when the performance diverges from the ideal.

              It sounds like you have a vague idea of what you want to do. Now spend some time visioning, seeing in your mind's eye what that ideal future looks like. Fill in the details. Then you can work backwards and start listing the skills and insights you will need to reach that point. Once you have that list, you'll have a better idea of what kind of specific coaching you need and how to get it.

              Make sense?

              John...I can't believe you've only been thanked 1,000 times with all
              the incredible posts you make.

              Maybe it's the fish.

              All kidding aside, excellent advice as usual.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              You are probably right. Maybe I didn't understand too well what John asked me to do. Maybe I overcomplicated it in my head. Nevertheless I learn from my mistakes. Thanks for explaining me so well what I was supossed to do.
              You were offered help from top members in exchange for doing a bit of work for yourself. You didn't even acknowledge the offers of help - nor ask for clarification of the 3 simple steps John listed.

              I hope you did learn from that mistake - it's a big lesson for those who ask for help. The problem may be you have a vision in your mind of what "mentoring" is - and your vision of mentoring may be unrealistic.

              I'd advise you to go back to John's post and DO those three steps anyway as they will help you focus on what you want to do and where you need to start.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Lianelli
    These kind of topics keep popping up every now and then.

    Here's the response you generally get:

    "Why would I put a lot of my high-priced time in you, for just 20%"

    Heck, I wouldn't even do it for 100% Just because I don't know you at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author l23bc
        Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

        Alright guys! I get the idea! Worth asking!
        No disrepect to the poster but why dont you just invest 37 bucks in the war room and just read up what i did 3 years ago when i joined warrior, and now i make not millions but a good income online because the only person who holds you back from doing anything is yourself, So my dad says anyway all the time when growing up.

        Why spend money or 20% if anyone did accepted(Which no one will do) to take the easy slope of business online,

        If your after a freebie Go look on you tube and look for the 30 day challenge,Soak up all the infomation and pratice.

        Hope that helps
        andrew
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
          Originally Posted by l23bc View Post

          No disrepect to the poster but why dont you just invest 37 bucks in the war room and just read up what i did 3 years ago and now i make not millions but a good income online because the only person who holds you back from doing anything is yourself, So my dad says anyway all the time when growing up.

          Why spend money or 20% if anyone did accepted(Which no one will do) to take the easy slope of business online,

          If your after a freebie Go look on you tube and look for the 30 day challenge,Soak up all the infomation and pratice.

          Hope that helps
          andrew
          Because learning what to do isnt enough...

          You need to know when and how to apply it, and thats different for every site and coaching allows your coach to give you personalised advice for your site

          other wise its just generalities which isnt much help to most people

          Robert
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          • Profile picture of the author l23bc
            [QUOTE=Robert Puddy;2187152]Because learning what to do isnt enough...} Fair comment, But like the original Poster said he new to internet marketing and i do understand what you are saying You could have the best coach or way to learn online business and making money online. But without putting it into play its completely useless.


            You need to know when and how to apply it, and thats different for every site and coaching allows your coach to give you personalised advice for your site

            other wise its just generalities which isnt much help to most people

            You missed out on my whole point robert like most online i started my businesses online as intrests which then grew to to a business in a time Coaching was carrying price tags of 1400 dollars,999 dollars and 499 dollar price tags yet the op wanted to give 20%per cent on what he earned or aquired on the coach. Like how some warriors have mentioned already they would not invite the offer.

            Thats why i suggest free methods like on here and Ed dales 30 day challenge on you tube as free coaching.


            regards
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        • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
          Originally Posted by gabibeowulf View Post

          MagicAce, you have John Taylor & Steven Wagenheim in your corner ready
          to help you get started.

          If I were in your shoes ... I would get that business plan ready asap till they
          don't change their mind about making a crazy offer to YOU.
          Actually, he has 3 offers: John, Craig and Steve.

          Originally Posted by debcoffeen View Post

          I am terribly surprised at these responses and sorry for you;
          Why the heck are you so terrible surprised and feel sorry for him when he got 3 [three!] offers for free coaching? (My guess: you didn't read the whole thread, you just posted...)
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    These threads remind me of my wife's students (she's a school teacher)

    They do no work all year, fail, and then come to her and see "Hey Mrs.
    Wagenheim, give me a D and I promise to start working"

    Yeah, right.

    Everybody's looking for a handout in life and I'm sick of it.

    Nobody handed me NOTHING when I was tossed out of a job after 6 years
    and had to turn to the Internet. I had to do EVERYTHING myself.

    I figured it out, but wish to God I could have found somebody I could have
    paid to help me. Would have saved me a lot of grief.

    Anyway, I gotta go and let the rest of steam out of my ears.

    Sheesh.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Free Coaching Offer:

    1. Decide what kind of business you want to be running
    in 3 years time. Create a document that outlines what
    that business will look like, set yourself financial targets.

    2. Pick a theme/topic and research it thoroughly. Pay a
    lot of attention to the people in the market. Visit forums,
    look for FAQ pages, invest time in really getting to know
    your target market. Then investigate the competition in
    that marketplace.

    3. Come back here and post a summary of your findings.
    You should have all the detailed data to back up that
    summary.

    If you can do that successfully by next Friday, I'll give
    you 30 minutes of my time on Skype.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      Free Coaching Offer:

      1. Decide what kind of business you want to be running
      in 3 years time. Create a document that outlines what
      that business will look like, set yourself financial targets.

      2. Pick a theme/topic and research it thoroughly. Pay a
      lot of attention to the people in the market. Visit forums,
      look for FAQ pages, invest time in really getting to know
      your target market. Then investigate the competition in
      that marketplace.

      3. Come back here and post a summary of your findings.
      You should have all the detailed data to back up that
      summary.

      If you can do that successfully by next Friday, I'll give
      you 30 minutes of my time on Skype.

      John

      John, you're a better man than I am. I really have a lot of respect for
      you for this.
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    • Profile picture of the author mr2monster
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      Free Coaching Offer:

      1. Decide what kind of business you want to be running
      in 3 years time. Create a document that outlines what
      that business will look like, set yourself financial targets.

      2. Pick a theme/topic and research it thoroughly. Pay a
      lot of attention to the people in the market. Visit forums,
      look for FAQ pages, invest time in really getting to know
      your target market. Then investigate the competition in
      that marketplace.

      3. Come back here and post a summary of your findings.
      You should have all the detailed data to back up that
      summary.

      If you can do that successfully by next Friday, I'll give
      you 30 minutes of my time on Skype.

      John
      You will not find a better offer than this anywhere on the internet.. PERIOD.


      I suppose the ball is in your court.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thinker1
        It's been said over and over that you first have to invest in your education or be willing to learn it yourself. I'm sure any investment you do in your education will be worth it. You will always learn something.
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    • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Some time back I suggested a coaching program where students would build two complete money-making sites, and at the end of the course, they would choose which one to keep and I'd keep the other one.

      Nobody liked that idea. So I suggested that there be an up-front fee, and then at the end of the course I'd buy either site or both of them for 50% of the up-front fee.

      Nobody liked that idea, either.

      Do you know what idea they did like?

      Coach people for free, and let them pay you whatever they think it was worth when you're done.

      You know what?

      No.

      LOL...that's hilarious dude.

      Your first two offers were awesome. Is it worth me considering them or are they no longer on the table?
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by thetruth23 View Post

        Your first two offers were awesome. Is it worth me considering them or are they no longer on the table?
        Never actually developed the coaching programs that would be underneath the offers, unfortunately. I may revisit the idea sometime, though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
      Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

      You are joking right?
      lol. I thought he was joking too.

      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Some time back I suggested a coaching program where students would build two complete money-making sites, and at the end of the course, they would choose which one to keep and I'd keep the other one.

      Nobody liked that idea. So I suggested that there be an up-front fee, and then at the end of the course I'd buy either site or both of them for 50% of the up-front fee.

      Nobody liked that idea, either.

      Do you know what idea they did like?

      Coach people for free, and let them pay you whatever they think it was worth when you're done.

      You know what?

      No.
      I laughed so hard after reading that. I can't stand people who
      think they can abuse my time like that. I tell them to words:

      screw yourself.

      They usually get the message after that.

      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      Well if your time is worth anything at all, THAT is why you would pay to learn.

      You only have so much time in your life. What you have is what you get. You can't earn time. You can't get a refund on time. You can't put a value on time.

      Money, however, is leveragable. Money can grow, in a sense. Money can SORTA buy you time. (meaning freeing up time that must be spent learning or doing, etc.) If you pay for accelerated learning, then you take LESS time to get to your goals, which in the longer run of things is priceless.

      The mindset of free can only take you so far.

      True business is about leveraging investments properly, which those investments can multiply when done right.

      Lets take this for example - which is more powerful:

      You writing articles for traffic or paying for traffic?

      Paying for traffic is far more powerful.

      Why?

      Because once you get the traffic to give you more money than you pay - you can quickly ramp it up.

      However, if you just write articles, you reach a bottleneck. Sure, you may get damn fast at writing articles, but there is STILL only so many hours a day you can crank out article after article.

      So, if I buy coaching off of Frank Kern, and his leverage (his knowledge, partners and contacts, email list, etc.) can take me from 0 to 1 million in less than a year (compared to doing it for free and taking 3 to 5 years), which is the better value? Obviously forking over the 100 + thousand dollars!

      Rob
      I actually hate writing for this very reason Rob stated. Writing
      to get traffic is the worst possible way you can make money
      online, trust me.

      My thing is this...I woud rather get a part-full time job and
      make money THAT way to spend on marketing and advertising
      to generate traffic instead of taking the risk of writing articles
      that may or may not drive ANY traffic to begin with.

      Most people have trouble risking money, me...I have a hard
      time risking time I could spend sky-diving, hang gliding, partying
      or spending time with family.

      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      Free Coaching Offer:

      1. Decide what kind of business you want to be running
      in 3 years time. Create a document that outlines what
      that business will look like, set yourself financial targets.

      2. Pick a theme/topic and research it thoroughly. Pay a
      lot of attention to the people in the market. Visit forums,
      look for FAQ pages, invest time in really getting to know
      your target market. Then investigate the competition in
      that marketplace.

      3. Come back here and post a summary of your findings.
      You should have all the detailed data to back up that
      summary.

      If you can do that successfully by next Friday, I'll give
      you 30 minutes of my time on Skype.

      John
      John, you are a good one. There is no way, I would do
      even that. I've done something similar with someone
      I'm close to (roughly same steps), and it was a night
      mare because he wanted me to do almost everything
      for him!

      I vowed, to never do anything like this again. But I resp-
      ect what your doing. Hope this person follows through.
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    • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      Free Coaching Offer:

      1. Decide what kind of business you want to be running
      in 3 years time. Create a document that outlines what
      that business will look like, set yourself financial targets.

      2. Pick a theme/topic and research it thoroughly. Pay a
      lot of attention to the people in the market. Visit forums,
      look for FAQ pages, invest time in really getting to know
      your target market. Then investigate the competition in
      that marketplace.

      3. Come back here and post a summary of your findings.
      You should have all the detailed data to back up that
      summary.

      If you can do that successfully by next Friday, I'll give
      you 30 minutes of my time on Skype.

      John

      Alright. So a lot of people began making a lot of buzz that I didn't took up on the very generous offers that I got ( for which I thank you by the way ) but nobody thought that the offer that John Taylor made to me was based on a presume that I was a little more advanced that I am.
      If I was so advanced that I knew what business I want to run in a 3 years time from now I probably woudn't make this thread in the first place. As a begginer all I know is that you can make money as an affiliate, internet marketer, by CPA, by writing a book....etc From that and knowing what kind of business I want to run in a three years time it's a lot.
      Yes maybe after I start making lots of money by one of the above means I decide...Hey I want to start doing that on a greater level. That will be my business! As for my dream is to write books on many subjects as I have read a lot, know about a multitude of things, I love learning and I love writing.
      If I didn't take up on the very generous offers that doesn't mean I am not serious about working to make money online or that I stopped learning, thinking is to much to learn. I am still learning and I will.
      So thank you for your offers John Taylor, Craig Desorcy and Steven Wagenheim. If it would have been to be a little more advanced I would've took up on your offers because then 30 minutes of your time would have been more valuable as I would have a more better undertanding and learn much more in that time.
      I'm not trying to disagree with you that are saying I'm not serious I am just saying my side of things.

      Thanks too all that gave me information and the others offers as well which some of them I am still pursuing.

      Be well,
      Marian
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      • Profile picture of the author timpears
        Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

        Alright. So a lot of people began making a lot of buzz that I didn't took up on the very generous offers that I got ( for which I thank you by the way ) but nobody thought that the offer that John Taylor made to me was based on a presume that I was a little more advanced that I am.
        If I was so advanced that I knew what business I want to run in a 3 years time from now I probably woudn't make this thread in the first place. As a begginer all I know is that you can make money as an affiliate, internet marketer, by CPA, by writing a book....etc From that and knowing what kind of business I want to run in a three years time it's a lot.
        Yes maybe after I start making lots of money by one of the above means I decide...Hey I want to start doing that on a greater level. That will be my business! As for my dream is to write books on many subjects as I have read a lot, know about a multitude of things, I love learning and I love writing.
        If I didn't take up on the very generous offers that doesn't mean I am not serious about working to make money online or that I stopped learning, thinking is to much to learn. I am still learning and I will.
        So thank you for your offers John Taylor, Craig Desorcy and Steven Wagenheim. If it would have been to be a little more advanced I would've took up on your offers because then 30 minutes of your time would have been more valuable as I would have a more better undertanding and learn much more in that time.
        I'm not trying to disagree with you that are saying I'm not serious I am just saying my side of things.

        Thanks too all that gave me information and the others offers as well which some of them I am still pursuing.

        Be well,
        Marian
        You really need some tough love buddy. You are not alone, I need it too. I am a procrastinator extraordinaire. And I change my mind more often than I change my socks.

        The point I wanted to make is that if you don't know where you want to go, how in hell will you know when you get there. You have to know where you are going before you take the first step. Just decide what you WANT TO DO, you can change your mind later if it doesn't work out for some reason. You weren't expecting a coach to tell you what to do in regards to which direction you would go, where you? I hope not, as I don't think that is going to happen. Lots of people on this forum will help you with what ever you want to do, but you have to know what you want to do, then ask for help with it.

        Good luck. It ain't rocket science, but it is work. And you have to make choices, the first one is what direction you are going to take.
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  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    you should just join a membership coaching program.

    Everything Works, just not all the time...
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  • Profile picture of the author inter123
    The only way to find out is to give it a go. One thing that is for certain is you can make money online.

    If a particular step does not work, try something else until you find a forumula that works and suits you.

    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works!
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works!
    Sorry, that tells me you didn't try any of those "books and videos"... otherwise you would know which method works for you and which one doesn't.

    Because it doesn't really matter what you have (on the shelves and on your HD). You can have all the books in the world about IM. If you don't do anything with the knowledge aquired from them, if you do not try them, if you don't take action... nothing will help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author alexbbbh
    This is a losing proposition for both parties involved. Meaning that the so called coach would be exactly that- so called as no one in their right mind would accept this kind of agreement. Think of it in terms of hourly income. Someone is making 4k per month working 3 hours per day. 4k divided by 90 (total hours of work per month - 3X30). We'll approximate it to 100 hours of work for demonstration purposes. That means he is making $40 an hour.

    Now assume he is coaching you. He invests 1h a day in you for 30 days. Let's say that at the end of 30 days you make $1k (yes I'm know, I'm totally optimistic). End of month you pay him 20% of the $1k that means $200 for a total of 30 hours of work that he invested into you. But if he would have stuck to his own thing that 30 hours would have meant $1200. So he's $1k short. And this is the most optimistic of the optimistic examples. Assuming that you actually do the work, that you will keep your end of the bargain and so forth.

    And the other side of the problem is this. What type of expertise does he have, what type of results does he produce. Cause if the takes on such a deal he can't be that much of a..thinker. Which would mean lack of coaching skill, ability to give you a clear and concise applicable blueprint.

    See the problem?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Man this forum is getting more and more posts like this.

    Everyone says they are willing to work but in my experience the ones who truly are have something to show already.
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  • Profile picture of the author psresearch
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    Maybe you could work for free for a potential coach and if they like your work they might agree to coach you. ;-)

    This was the answer suggested to me by a friend of mine for people who present ideas like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    Noone is going to coach you for a deal like that.

    5 years ago I was in your position. I posted a thread that said "I will work for free". I didn't even ask for anything in return except the expectation that I would learn how someone's busness worked by working in it. I had several offers and 5 years on I'm making a decent living.

    Try the same approach and see what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author zippynewyork
      Originally Posted by howdo-i View Post

      Noone is going to coach you for a deal like that.

      5 years ago I was in your position. I posted a thread that said "I will work for free". I didn't even ask for anything in return except the expectation that I would learn how someone's busness worked by working in it. I had several offers and 5 years on I'm making a decent living.

      Try the same approach and see what happens.
      Yup, I totally agree with this. Put some free 'internship' hours to learn, heck maybe even get trusted enough to start some joint ventures.

      I'm new to IM but I've been chatting and working with a really awesome IMer that's doing VERY well. I offer all my help for nothing to just watch what he's doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustKid
    I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc.
    Heres an idea, go use those books and videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
      Alright Guys! So Yes, I got the message! A big thank you to all that gave me advice and also a big thank you to the ones that proved to me that not all man are kind. I got a few messages and I'm just going to post questions or posts abut specific things! Good day!


      Originally Posted by shumz1 View Post

      to everyone else throwing cheap shots at this guy/gal, HE HAS ALREADY GOT THE MESSAGE. If you have anything else negative to say let it be, just because you saw this and think damn i just lost a customer or your ticked off because you can't gain a cent from this dude doesn't mean you take your anger out on him.

      @MagicAce I left you a post on how to get started, if you need more help pm me.
      I won't ask you to do anything for me and i don't want your 20% , i don't buy anything. Some people here are around 60 and they still call themself a whiz "kid", i kid you not.

      Don't worry dude, there is alot of people out there to help you.
      Just ask questions that you need to know rather than coaching.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

        Alright Guys! So Yes, I got the message! A big thank you to all that gave me advice and also a big thank you to the ones that proved to me that not all man are kind. I got a few messages and I'm just going to post questions or posts abut specific things! Good day!
        Please take this the right way, as that is the way it is intended.

        Being able to graciously deal with things that rub you the wrong way would be a good step in the right direction.

        Believe it or not, EVERY post you seem to be having a problem with is intended to HELP you. In a way, it's a form of coaching. But your attitude speaks volumes.

        Some HAVE offered you coaching.

        John Taylor's offer was more than fair, it was generous. In fact, if you would re-read it with an open mind, you would see that he was actually starting the coaching process.

        Don't get mad about the responses, learn from them. There is much more gold just below the surface than you may realize.

        All the best,
        Michael

        p.s. Whoever it was that thought some were being greedy because they didn't want to meet the terms of the offer...what about asking for hours, and hours of somebody's time with no promise of a return? How isn't that greedy also? (Not saying the OP is being greedy. Just using the SAME definition of greed and making a comparison from the other point of view)
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Stede,
    Most IM trainers have around a 3% success rate. They say it is because people don't try, I really don't think that could explain such a low number.
    By itself, it doesn't. Most people who are doers think that any form of failure results from lack of action. That is not an accurate conclusion.

    It's true that most people don't take action. A lot of the people who do the work still fail. In my experience, that's usually because they don't know how to accept and adjust to feedback. Which is to say, they don't know how to learn.


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  • Profile picture of the author numba8
    instead of offering profit sharing that you having made yet...you should set aside some cash for coaching. there are some good coaching programs out there and it would be worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abdi Adan
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    Hi there

    I find it quite shocking to have seen some of the replies to your thread.

    I also find it quite unfair but only if you are a complete beginner.

    If you are not then you should know what you are walking into but you know what is the most important element in a web business?

    To make money online you need to have THE CORRECT MINDSET.

    It only takes having the correct mindset and everything else can be learned.

    Making money online is a skill but just like any skill it can be learned. So I advice you to get your attitude right if you want to make a living from the web.

    Hope that helps

    kindest
    abdi adan

    there is a link below to an ebook that could help you adopt the correct mindset

    http://www.abdi-onlinebusiness.com/s...yth_online.pdf
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by shumz1 View Post

      why on earth would someone pay to learn how to learn? To me i see everything being availiable freely on the internet. If i'm not correct please go ahead and slaughter me.

      Everything you need to know is free and there for you. Just take the time,read,set yourself a plan and just jump in.
      Be your own coach.Trial and error my friend.
      Yes, that does indeed work, provided you have the smarts and discipline to
      go it alone. It's how I did it.

      It also took me years to reach a full time income because I made so many
      mistakes.

      Had I a coach to train me correctly from the beginning, I can honestly
      say it would have added $500,000 to my bottom line over the course
      of the last 7 years.

      It all comes down to what your priorities are.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by shumz1 View Post

      why on earth would someone pay to learn how to learn? To me i see everything being availiable freely on the internet. If i'm not correct please go ahead and slaughter me.

      Everything you need to know is free and there for you. Just take the time,read,set yourself a plan and just jump in.
      Be your own coach.Trial and error my friend.

      Ah, if all of life's answers were so simple

      Simply having information available does not guarantee that it will help. With the internet today, I could find information how to build my own house for free (not including materials). Does that mean I should?

      People have different ways of learning and comprehending. I tried my hand at taking college classes on line and failed miserably. You know why?

      Because with all of the reading, assignments, etc. I am a BETTER STUDENT when someone teaches me. Plain and simple.

      I did all of the "free" methods when I started out on line. In fact, I did it that way for 4 years. I made a little money, but was missing a few key elements before I hit my stride.

      Elements I learned after paying for help. After I was able to ask the right questions and get more specific answers.

      Coaching isn't right for everyone. But neither is learning on your own right for everyone. That's why the "Hey - all this information is free - you're a fool if you pay" response is ill-informed and can (for some people) do more harm than good.
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      • Profile picture of the author brendan301
        i wish i saw this post last week, i would've taken this ball and run with it like ray rice. unlike the OP, i'm willing to spend money on coaching and have before, i've got hosting, a few websites and am willing to put in that work to build a business, my results have been up and down but i'm determined to succeed come hell, high water or an oil spill
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          You know what I find most interesting about this thread...

          If the OP was serious about putting in the work, they could have started a project. Butsed their butt on it for a month and started a post describing exactly what they've done and asked for guidance. And they likely would have gotten guidance worth much more than they would from anyone willing to accept 20% commission from a beginner with an unproven work ethic.

          Yes, most people value their time. But most will also give a little to someone who has proved through past efforts that it won't be given in vein.

          People are much more likely to offer guidance when they're being asked to fan an already burning flame rather than be the spark. There's a lot less wasted time and effort that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    The responses on this thread are a pure example of Greed, one of the Seven Deadly Sins. I swear, it's just hurting the OP.

    MagicAce - I swear that if I was established enough, I'd teach you for free. Sometimes, it isn't about the money. It's about helping out struggling people just like you, because it's better to give than it is to receive.

    I'm dead serious. Dead F'N serious.

    P.S.: Alright yall, go ahead and say "But you're not established."
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

      The responses on this thread are a pure example of Greed, one of the Seven Deadly Sins. I swear, it's just hurting the OP.

      MagicAce - I swear that if I was established enough, I'd teach you for free. Sometimes, it isn't about the money. It's about helping out struggling people just like you, because it's better to give than it is to receive.

      I'm dead serious. Dead F'N serious.

      P.S.: Alright yall, go ahead and say "But you're not established."
      ok im not going to say "But your not established"

      2 things though

      I spent over a year giving free coaching, to anyone that wanted to turn up in my conference room once a week.

      The result was the same people turned up every week and at the end of the year they were still moaning about the same things, asking the same questions.

      And not doing what they were told

      Its very disheartening


      I vowed never to give free coaching again

      I now have a coaching program it costs 2k while there are still a lot that dont do anything with it, the ones that do have gone on to be full time. they are the ones that keep my interest

      and they are the reason i can no longer give free coaching even if i got the urge to do so... wouldn't be fair on the ones that paid.

      Robert
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  • Profile picture of the author rts2271
    If you have to have a coach hold your hand to get going around the track you need to get a job and not even attempt this. I'm not dissing coaching at all but most people who get anything out of coaching are already jogging and wanting to sprint down the track.
    No direction, No knowledge and No money = No Business.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by StedeTroisi View Post

    Either way, it wouldn't pay for these guys to do anything based on success
    Some time back I suggested a coaching program where students would build two complete money-making sites, and at the end of the course, they would choose which one to keep and I'd keep the other one.

    Nobody liked that idea. So I suggested that there be an up-front fee, and then at the end of the course I'd buy either site or both of them for 50% of the up-front fee.

    Nobody liked that idea, either.

    Do you know what idea they did like?

    Coach people for free, and let them pay you whatever they think it was worth when you're done.

    You know what?

    No.
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    • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Some time back I suggested a coaching program where students would build two complete money-making sites, and at the end of the course, they would choose which one to keep and I'd keep the other one.
      Is that a true story, or one of your fortune cookie proverbs?
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by CanuckWarrior View Post

        Is that a true story, or one of your fortune cookie proverbs?
        It was printed on the back of a Froot Loops box. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author regska
          Paying 20% of your potential income is not a good reward. Because there are a lot of risks involve. For those people who already knows how to make money online consistently, I'm not sure if they are willing to invest their time to coach you. You actually don't need to pay 20% of your income to someone, because those people have already established their business and the money is working for them instead of having them to work for money.

          Why not join a membership site or a masterclass that teaches people how to make money online or how to build your business in the shortest time possible? You can pay a monthly fee like $37 or $47 a month, and they will provide you all the tools you need. If you are just starting out and doesn't have enough budget to join those membership sites, why not find a mentor and copy his work? You can join to someone that is already successful in his mailing list, and he'll provide you free newsletters, tips on how to make money. By just looking around this forum, you can even learn for free.

          Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author veronica178
    You can make a lot of money online and there are thousands of way of doing it. You can make a website and or blog and talk about something you know about. Put google adsense ads on your blog and sell advertising space. Its a long and boring process. Or you can go with affiliate marketing or mlm or SEO. if other people can do it, I know you can, you don't have to be brilliant, you just have to be dedicated to making money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author midas1234
    Hi There,

    I don't want to discuss this in open forum! contact me on skype midasdave or email me on warriorforum [at] inbox [dot] com, and I'll put you in ttouch with a couple of people that can help (both are nice experts that want to help) they have helped me!

    Regards, Dave
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    The only thing that I could say is train yourself first before pros will have you worthy of their highly paid suggestions.
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  • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
    Hey there

    If you'll let me put in my 2 cents. Firstly, there's no harm in you asking, if you don't ask, you don't get and all that.

    With that said, in the past I've paid for some expensive one to one coaching before. Now, often the mindset of somebody wanting coaching is, they think they are going to be some some secret strategy, or secret method of doing something that's going to make you money. The truth of it is, if you look at people who are successful at Internet Marketing, they all have one thing in common....they've all worked bl**dy hard!!!

    As already mention by others here, there are many methods listed on this very site which outline how to make money, like creating your own products for example, or bum marketing or whatever, but they all take work!! You also need to have faith in those methods otherwise you'll never put the 110% required work in.

    I once paid my Kung Fu instructor £70 for an hour private tuition, I guess for the same reasons, thinking I would learn a secret that would put me above the rest of the class. For the first 10 minutes, he just made me do a horse stance!! I was thinking "what the f**k, this is the same as what we do in the class"..then the penny dropped. There IS NO secret, other than the harder you work, the better you will get.

    So, if you do go down this coaching line, don't be disappointed if you're told "1, create website, 2 write articles or learn PPC" etc...because at the end of the day, this is all there is too it, all those who fail simply didn't work hard enough or long enough. It's funny when you see people write "I've been doing this for 2 months now and not made any money". It can take years to get to the stage of giving up your job.

    If I had my time again, I would have just picked ONE method (either affiliate marketing or product creation) and one niche, then just did work at it until successful.

    Hope this helps some what.

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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Jordan
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    Sure, why not?

    Shoot me an email at justinjordan@gmail.com and mention Warrior Forum in the subject so I have some idea who the heck you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    Just curious, are you willing to spend any money up front? For hosting, design, an autoresponder, etc?

    Successful marketers spend money all the time, and it would be impossible for you to duplicate the results if you don't duplicate the methods, and that includes buying the same things used by your coach.

    If so, then the coach could make a little money if they would send you through their affiliate links.

    - - - - - - - - - -

    I have coached people for free in the past. By that I mean I didn't charge them any money. However, I would have them write articles, or do something else to help me out AND teach them things that would help them.

    In all that time, I had ONE student that wrote 2 articles; 3 students that wrote 1 article, and the rest? Well, I have no idea what happened to them, because they mysteriously disappeared at the moment they realized they were going to have to do some work.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
      As for now I am short on money but next month I will buy host and some domains and have a plan to make at least 500 $ so yes I can buy autorepsonder and what is needed. The design I can do myself!
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

        As for now I am short on money but next month I will buy host and some domains and have a plan to make at least 500 $ so yes I can buy autorepsonder and what is needed. The design I can do myself!
        Sorry to hear about the shortage, I remember what it's like.

        Excellent! The reason I asked was to see if you were willing or not. I wasn't making any assumptions.

        How good are you at design?

        Can you design for others?

        Have any samples?

        If so, you can spend a few dollars and post in the Warriors For Hire section. If you do good work you will have plenty of work to keep you busy and profitable.

        All the best,
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        • Profile picture of the author MagicAce
          I plan to start oferring my services on sites like rentacoder or elance in a few days. Right now I make a bit of cleaning in the information I searched on how to make money. Then I will start rentacoder, elance, fiverr and next month planning to go CPA and maybe clickbank at the same time.

          Any advice on copyright? Someone said I need to get copright if I make a product of my own and start selling on clickbank...
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
            Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

            I plan to start oferring my services on sites like rentacoder or elance in a few days. Right now I make a bit of cleaning in the information I searched on how to make money. Then I will start rentacoder, elance, fiverr and next month planning to go CPA and maybe clickbank at the same time.

            Any advice on copyright? Someone said I need to get copright if I make a product of my own and start selling on clickbank...
            Cool! I hope you do well with it.

            I am not a lawyer, but as far as copyright goes, it's my understanding that copyright exists from the moment of creation.

            You can add the copyright symbol, and the year it was copyrighted, if you like. You do not have to spend money and file with a government agency to use the mark.

            However, (again, I'm NOT a lawyer) I believe you have extra protections if you DO register the copyright.

            All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
    Tough break dude...I suppose it was worth a try.

    There was one genuine offer by the looks of it though. You just have to do prep work to get approval. Which is a good offer.

    Alternatively, there are lots of affordable methods available from WSO.

    My advice would be to pick one which is well and favourably reviewed, and stick to it. Look for a highly regarded newbie program.

    They're usually easy enough to follow.

    But the key is to stick to one method at a time. It's harder to spread your capacity to learn over many different methods/topics.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jamian
    Hello

    Finding a mentor for yourself is a good idea but with 20% I doubt it. But if you need any questions needs to be answered just send pm I'm gladly to help you out for free!

    Best Wishes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    Why don't you do what the books tell you to do and keep all the money for yourself?

    But I don't know if something works!
    And no one here knows if you will work, so why would they waste their time? Actually, scratch that, since you haven't yet, I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that you won't work.
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  • Profile picture of the author schu31
    You sound frustrated..I know what you are going through and have been there..Don't worry there is a solution people really do make money. It is all in the traffic and products.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikebrooks
    I jumped into a 12k per year coaching program in my offline biz (martial arts school) many years back. That decision was responsible for the school going from barely paying the bills to grossing 40k per month (that's a lot for a martial arts school, by the way).

    This is my little secret to success. I'm not going to say it is what everyone should do, but it has worked for me. That is, to really make it, you need to have some skin in the game.

    I had a guy who was a free mentor provided by an industry organization my school belonged to. He gave good advice but I never took it. Wasn't until I mortgaged the future of my business by coming up with 12k dollars that I followed through.

    Once I did that, I literally did EVERYTHING they told me to do. Right down to the tiniest detail. Like if my coach told me to wipe with my left hand, I would have done it.

    The results spoke for themselves.

    I recently decided to take my part time IM business full time. And I knew I would need to put some more skin in the game. so I am getting out of the martial arts business and plunked down 10k dollars for a weekend with Rich Schefren.

    Without getting into the details of the sale- long boring story- I am selling to my partner. not getting my sale money up front and it isn't a ton of money any way. so next month I will go from a nice monthly share of the gross to nothing.

    My method of putting skin in the game to the point of sleepless nights started when I cornered one of the top martial arts school owners in the country at a seminar. I explained i am running this school part time and it's going no where fast while killing me. I asked him what I should do. He told me to jump off the cliff. Really. He said that.

    He explained what that meant was that I should quit my day job and work harder in my school, pay for a coach and do what the coach tells me to. So I did.

    If I don't throw myself off the cliff, I will never do all the little things needed to succeed. No what I mean? Got to have skin in the game.

    I am not saying you should quit your day job or put a 3rd mortgage on your home or sell a child. My wife worked full time so a lack of income from me wasn't going to kill us. But it put a huge crimp in our lifestyle and made it a lot scarier to not succeed.

    You must make some kind of investment if you really want to be successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author iSoftware
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    I think you've got guts and I like that. My schedule is swamped but I am going on vacation soon. PM me next week and I will give at least 30 minutes of my expertise which cost 10 years of corporate experience and over $200,000+ worth of education from the world's most selective universities (plus plenty of trial and error....)



    Lord Byron once said:
    "all who joy must win must share it, happiness was born a twin"

    Last thing - you need to be serious, i.e. no BS
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  • Profile picture of the author Darren L Carter
    The problem a lot of time with people wanting coaching free is that most people expect others to fix them.

    People don't realize that it doesn't matter how great the coaching is it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to make yourself succeed. No one can do it for you. The really smart people will use great coaching in order to make themselves better. But a lot of people waste great coaching because they think the coaching will make them better (instead of putting responsibility on themselves).

    Peace,
    Darren L Carter
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Wright
    My 2cents is, if your getting trained for free, you don't realise how valuable the info you are getting and also how valuable your mentors time actually is, but when you spend money and get a mentor it all changes, probably down to the fact of "the value of money" hmmmm
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      You know, I've been doing a lot of thinking about this thread. Call me a
      glutton for punishment, but I am going to match John Taylor's offer.

      Do all the things he said in his post, report back here with everything and
      I'll give you 30 minutes of my time on Skype.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ashley Wright
    Take Steven's offer I would lol
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    MagicAce, you have John Taylor & Steven Wagenheim in your corner ready
    to help you get started.

    If I were in your shoes ... I would get that business plan ready asap till they
    don't change their mind about making a crazy offer to YOU.

    Gabriel
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    • Profile picture of the author nasssi
      If the person was a real go getter then 20% would be a good payday - if you can get 1 website up and 4 articles linked to it and submitted and promote clickbank - why not right! I'm not going to do it - busy doing my own thing but there are coaches on here and for them - they will know within 2 days if you're for real or not! I sold a 18 CD audio set on marketing from Ebay - sold 1,000 of them - only 2 people every contacted me to say Disk 10 had a problem - out of 1,000 only 2 actually got to disk 10! And I can fall into that cateogy as well so I better get back to getting a website up a day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bayo
    Originally Posted by HypeFree View Post

    I tried to coach people for free multiple times but they never took action. More of them took action when they put money at risk. It's the harsh reality. I put about 2 grand on my first course and $1700 on my second (I had to borrow that money) but that is what motivated me to figure everything out and keep moving forward to make a profit. If the course owner coached me for free I would probably be working in servitude still. I think it's good to pay it's a motivation plus that is how the economy functions. If everything was free there would be no economy.
    That actually is the TRUTH.

    Without skin in the game, most people will NEVER take action. This is so sad because even if most folks who have been online for even a few months, if they put what they knew into action, they'd get results that would allow them to achieve a level of personal and financial independence for the rest of their life.

    And as was stated so clearly by another respondent, 20% of nothing is...Nothing.

    BAYO
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Million
    Everything works, some methods better than others, but the key (I believe for most, including myself) is to...

    ...specialize in one area and don't go astray until you make that work.

    I started semi-seriously when I was 18, and it wasn't until I was 22 that I really started earning (when I started following things through 100%.) A year later, I quite my first job out of college and have never looked back. You can spend years on forums, doing a bit of everything, and not accomplish ONE THING.

    Out of everything I dabbled in, affiliate marketing was the first real success that took the least amount of effort for me (I made $1000's / month very quickly once I got serious and took action.)...

    The "conduit method" is very easy to follow and almost impossible to fail at. Look up Chris Rempel... he doesn't slam you with "RSS" "Article Marketing" "Social Media this and that", etc. ... just simple product review pages that you throw some backlinks at... really simple stuff that works.

    Whatever you elect, you gotta just DO IT, and once it works SCALE IT by outsourcing.

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    OK, I gave you untill Friday to get back to me. You've
    missed the deadline and my offer is now withdrawn.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      OK, I gave you untill Friday to get back to me. You've
      missed the deadline and my offer is now withdrawn.

      John
      John, I've gone through this whole thread and the OP never even
      acknowledged our offers. A "thanks, but not interested" would have even
      been nice.

      Also withdrawn.

      Man, you gotta wonder about people. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaunAllen
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        John, I've gone through this whole thread and the OP never even
        acknowledged our offers. A "thanks, but not interested" would have even
        been nice.

        Also withdrawn.

        Man, you gotta wonder about people. :rolleyes:

        People want to dream the dream but they don't want to do the work when it comes down to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        John, I've gone through this whole thread and the OP never even
        acknowledged our offers. A "thanks, but not interested" would have even
        been nice.

        Also withdrawn.

        Man, you gotta wonder about people. :rolleyes:
        Steven,

        There's an old saying that "zebras never change their stripes."

        And being that you can only get out of life what you put into it I seriously doubt you were surprised. Disappointed on some level perhaps, but I'll bet you saw this coming.

        ~Bill
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Steven,

          There's an old saying that "zebras never change their stripes."

          And being that you can only get out of life what you put into it I seriously doubt you were surprised. Disappointed on some level perhaps, but I'll bet you saw this coming.

          ~Bill
          Surprised? I just won $5 in the office pool.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Surprised? I just won $5 in the office pool.
            You found somebody to take that bet?????????

            Unbelievable...

            John,

            I think your offer showed a lot of class. Kudos to you.

            ~Bill
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        • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
          Bill,

          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          ...I seriously doubt you were surprised. Disappointed on some level perhaps, but I'll bet you saw this coming.
          Not at all surprised. Yes, somewhat disappointed.
          But I reckon it's better to give people the chance
          to prove they're commited to building an online
          business, rather than knock them down without
          any real evidence.

          Steven,


          Manners maketh the man. ;-)

          John
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    This is an interesting thread, I read through it and saw a couple of really interesting offers, from some very successful names, here,

    Steven Wagenheim
    John Taylor
    Craig Desorcy

    Man I would have taken that and run with it, You could have taken a day or two to write down some questions, and interviewed them on skype.

    Recorded it and produced an MP3 file, along with a report.

    Then, of course you would need to actually be willing to take some advise and work for it, but you could have produced a product.

    Sold it on a WSO,

    I know many people who would like to pick the brains of those guys.

    I actually am activly looking for someone to run a test case for a product that I am developing, sort of a here is a person who used my system and achieved these results.

    I offered it to two different people and never heard from them again.

    Now, I am not a big time guru, like some, but I have over 40 websites, that produce traffic, I have products, and I have expertise, if a person follows a plan it will work, but sadly you have to ask why do they never follow through.

    If you could figure that out, you would not only be rich but wise in the bargain.

    But I will make an offer here to anyone that at least can show that they are willing to try, by being in a position to take advantage of knowledge and the tools that are available.

    1. have a website,
    2. have hosting,
    3. be willing to put at least three hours a week into working.

    But the thing is and this is sort of frustrating, most people are not even willing to go that far, sorry if that sounds cynical, perhaps it is, but you can get a website for like 10 bucks a year, hosting for as little as 5 bucks a month.

    And you can install wordpress in less than ten minutes.

    To me if a person is not willing to at least do those three things.

    Website, hosting, work,

    then they are not serious about succeeding online.

    just a thought.
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    • Profile picture of the author ozduc
      Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

      but sadly you have to ask why do they never follow through.

      If you could figure that out, you would not only be rich but wise in the bargain.
      I think that has been figured out already. That is the easy part. Figuring out a way to actually change that behaviour is what would make you rich.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
        Originally Posted by ozduc View Post

        I think that has been figured out already. That is the easy part. Figuring out a way to actually change that behaviour is what would make you rich.
        at the risk of getting OT, LOL, (I know this topic has been like a roller coaster)

        That is the point you cannot change a persons behavior,;

        You can influence them, but the very word motivate, in the original latin, or very close to that, (allow me a small liberty)

        Motus, or movement, comes from within.

        You cannot move someone from within by attempting to make them from without.

        So, in effect, they must make up their mind to be motivated.

        again the latin, from within... Comes motus, or motivation.

        If a guy would rather sit on the couch and play, video games, for 4 to 6 hours a day than to do some work...

        Then they will end up being a great video game player. . .

        But sadly not much else.
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  • Profile picture of the author liamIam
    Yikes - 20% Do we use your money?

    There is no substitute for the benefit of long term exposure. We must "embed" ourselves in this stuff long enough for our brains to think in what I call "channel philosophy"

    And it's different for everyone.

    Also DO not OVER THINK Internet Marketing. It's not complicated.

    Find a Market.

    Then I'll quote John Carlton.

    1. Here's what I got.
    2. Here's what it will do for you.
    3. Here's how you get it.
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    • Profile picture of the author netkid
      MagicAce,

      Why don't you switch your offer around and give 80% of revenues to whomever makes it happen for you. You get 20%. 20% of something is better than 80% of nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Originally Posted by MagicAce View Post

    Ok so I had it! I have books and videos on how to make money online clickbank, adsense etc. But I don't know if something works! So I wanna make a deal. If you make money online and you can teach me to do the same then I will pay you 20 % of the money I make with your method for the next six months. Anyone interested? PM me!
    MagicAce,

    Make it 25% and one year. IF you agree to that, we can make a deal.

    What I'm going to do is to show you HOW to make money. We'll have to set it up so I can verify sales, which won't be hard to do.

    I'd prefer you email me at gjabiz@yahoo.com but I do check PM when I am signed in here at WF.

    gjabiz

    PS. I've been at it since 1986 Online and since 97 earning a full time income for part time effort. So, your move.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

      MagicAce,

      Make it 25% and one year. IF you agree to that, we can make a deal.

      What I'm going to do is to show you HOW to make money. We'll have to set it up so I can verify sales, which won't be hard to do.

      I'd prefer you email me at gjabiz@yahoo.com but I do check PM when I am signed in here at WF.

      gjabiz

      PS. I've been at it since 1986 Online and since 97 earning a full time income for part time effort. So, your move.

      If he doesn't take you up on it, I just might. LOL.

      All kidding aside, people come here, ask for help, and then nada.

      (scratches head)

      Is it my deodorant? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
    MagicAce,

    Read this: The Two Magic Powers | Frank Kern Internet Marketing

    Now you've been mentor'd. Go make some money ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author revenue27
    Wow interesting thread, hey you've got offer from three respected name here and you throw it away ? If each of them gives 30 minute free, it equal to 1.5 hour free coaching, you can even make WSO from that alone if you are truely want to make it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Harvey
    Interesting thread this. A lot of people are right... 20% isn't an awful lot.

    If it was me, I would have said... 90% of all my efforts and the 10% is to cover my time and resources spent like website hosting etc. I would do this for a specified time period and after that I would go it alone, meaning I make a 100% profit after the specified time frame.

    But these days people are just concerned about themselves. There are very people in this life that would genuinely want to help someone. Sad fact!
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  • Profile picture of the author coluden
    Your intentions are good, but your idea is flawed, as ccmusicman and others have pointed out. I think you can find a good coach right here, but be prepared to do the following:
    1. Get recommendations of who is good
    2. Put money up front...$1,000 to $2,500,
    3. Work your but off....

    I'm sure it will work for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Alright. So a lot of people began making a lot of buzz that I didn't took up on the very generous offers that I got ( for which I thank you by the way ) but nobody thought that the offer that John Taylor made to me was based on a presume that I was a little more advanced that I am.
    If I was so advanced that I knew what business I want to run in a 3 years time from now I probably woudn't make this thread in the first place. As a begginer all I know is that you can make money as an affiliate, internet marketer, by CPA, by writing a book....etc From that and knowing what kind of business I want to run in a three years time it's a lot.
    Yes maybe after I start making lots of money by one of the above means I decide...Hey I want to start doing that on a greater level. That will be my business! As for my dream is to write books on many subjects as I have read a lot, know about a multitude of things, I love learning and I love writing.
    If I didn't take up on the very generous offers that doesn't mean I am not serious about working to make money online or that I stopped learning, thinking is to much to learn. I am still learning and I will.
    So thank you for your offers John Taylor, Craig Desorcy and Steven Wagenheim. If it would have been to be a little more advanced I would've took up on your offers because then 30 minutes of your time would have been more valuable as I would have a more better undertanding and learn much more in that time.
    I'm not trying to disagree with you that are saying I'm not serious I am just saying my side of things.

    Thanks too all that gave me information and the others offers as well which some of them I am still pursuing.

    Be well,
    Marian
    Marian,

    I hear what you are saying, but you need some tough love. You sound like you are afraid of making a fool of yourself. Get over it. You are making excuses for not taking the action you need to take.

    Take what John said, open a word doc. and make a brief projected list of where you want to be 3 years from now. It does not have to be an MBA prepared business plan.
    You have some dreams of where you want to be don't you. Put it down on paper.

    If English is not your first language write it out in long hand in your native language then do your best to translate it into English. Your above post indicates you can put your thoughts in understandable English.

    1. Full Time Affiliate Marketeer (or Website flipper, Information Marketeer etc, your choice)
    2. 1st year financial goal: $20,000; 2nd yr: 30 K; 3rd yr: 100K

    John told you where to look for the information in # 2 of his post. All you have to do is take your time and take notes from the places where he mentioned for you to learn from. Summarize your notes and data again in your native language on paper and then put it here in English from your native language notes. You don't have to worry about what others think of your English writing, because it's going to show you are willing to try.

    John, Craig and Steven didn't ask you to be an expert in what ever topic in IM you wanted to tackle. They just wanted you to prove you had an idea where you wanted to go, so they wouldn't be wasting your time and most of all their time. They would be able to structure their coaching time with you in the most advantageous way for you.

    You blew it Dude.

    Ken Leatherman
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  • Profile picture of the author Lilach
    Well, firstly well done for asking - if you don't ask you don't get!

    But as a mentor/coach I'm afraid I agree with everyone else's comments. It's not about a certain amount of money, its more about your investment.

    First of all, why wouldn't you pay someone initially? Is it because you don't have any money or you don't see the investment in investing in a mentor?

    At the end of the day, a mentor can only guide and recommend what you should do. It's you who has to do all the hard work. And no amount of mentoring can make you actually do it. Even if you paid $500 for my time, it may incentivise you to do it more, as you want to get your monies worth, but you need remember that it's your business and ultimately down to you.

    I have to be honest, anyone who takes up this offer, is probably not a great mentor (apologies if I've offended anyone), but will you care as it's not costing you anything? apart from your time? You need to learn to value your time.

    If you really can't afford a mentor I would recommend you get a buddy and each of you focus each other. Write up a schedule of everything you are going to do each day and make sure you achieve them.

    Let's be honest, by spending literally hours on this forum you could find out exactly what you need to do in terms of marketing. So go and do it! Get focused. Reward yourself each day when you have achieved things.

    Or, pay for a mentor who can push, focus, inspire and get results quicker for you.

    The choice is yours.

    Best of luck.

    Lilach
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  • Profile picture of the author David Mcalorum
    Awesome!

    I already found two things I can use in this thread for swipe copy!

    F YEA!
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    I know exactly what I want. I want to write one email, send it, and have a company I can sell for $5 Billion the next week.
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    • Profile picture of the author netkid
      Magic Ace,

      First, if you really want to do this IM thing, put yourself out to want to help one of the experienced Im'rs here. Be humble....put them and their interests ahead of yours. You will do wonders for the respect of the experienced marketers here.

      Offer yourself as apprentice to them.....GIVE to them first and actually do it and it will reap rewards tenfold back to you. They will respect you and give you all you need to know from their years of experience.

      I think it is the attitude given in your very first post that put a lot of people off that you appear that you are taken advantage of them and slightly are insulting their intelligence.

      Be real and be humble to the regulars here and everyone will come out of the "woodwork" to help you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
        To the people implying that people refusing the OP's offer were somehow "mean" or coldhearted, I didn't get that impression at all. The OP simply didn't make a good offer. Had he offered something tangible, like performing a needed service in exchange for coaching, he likely would have gotten different responses.

        Even homeless people offer to hold the door for you before they ask you for change.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
    This thread has has a lot of posts and frankly to get here I have not read them all. However, I will remove this if I am repeating what has gone before.

    This post is a result of reading about subliminal messages. I fear that you are in the same boat as many who for fear of wasting time and money do not get started.

    My suggestion is; if you have not bought this already, and that is to try out subliminal software installed on your PC that will subconsciously make you to take action to following the successful methods you have been taught. You can select from a range of subliminal messages to meet a particular need to achieve success in that area. If it works for one thing you can use it again to improve on your success.

    If subliminal messages work for you, then come back and post how subliminal messages got you to acheive your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayPeete
    You've got to have some skin in the game. Most people won't truly push themselves without it.
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