Warriors Forum = Product Forum?

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Sorry I know I have been guilty of this to by association but is it me or do most warriors here generate profit from digital sales. I know we have a CPA section, but is anyone else getting the feeling that its all about products products products?

This idea came to me when I was looking at those "Help Me Im New!" and almost 99% of the suggestions were make your product, sell your product. I think its these types of suggestions that we give that is influencing the market and filling the interwebs with half assed products.

Just wanna ask all the warriors do you have any other income source other then selling products?

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  • Profile picture of the author emeliesjodahl
    I have adsense as my major income sourse but I don't make any big amount at the moment...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    "Make your product, sell your product" is very, very lucrative. After looking at last year's numbers, I realized the bulk of my business revenue came from products...not affiliate marketing or even web design back then.

    Plus, "make your product, sell your product" comes with these additional benefits:

    -I knew I would get paid on every sale (not so with CPA)
    -It was way more satisfying to promote my own products
    -Increased JV power with affiliates and other product owners
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    • Profile picture of the author JustKid
      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      "Make your product, sell your product" is very, very lucrative. After looking at last year's numbers, I realized the bulk of my business revenue came from products...not affiliate marketing or even web design back then.

      Plus, "make your product, sell your product" comes with these additional benefits:

      -I knew I would get paid on every sale (not so with CPA)
      -It was way more satisfying to promote my own products
      -Increased JV power with affiliates and other product owners
      Sad thing is not everyone is destined to be an expert ebook writer. I sure heck am not the copywriter a guy like Steve Wagxxxxxxx is. * Sry Steve its a long last name*. Thats the point thats im trying to get at that, people think that money flows from the unsuspecting masses by selling your 1 page report that google would give you for free.

      Either way its interesting how big that the IM niche is but about 80%-90% is all product selling and only a few can actually be successful with other parts of IM like adsense or cpa.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        Originally Posted by JustKid View Post

        Sad thing is not everyone is destined to be an expert ebook writer.

        ,,,,people think that money flows from the unsuspecting masses by selling your 1 page report that google would give you for free.

        Either way its interesting how big that the IM niche is but about 80%-90% is all product selling and only a few can actually be successful with other parts of IM like adsense or cpa.
        1. who says products automatically = ebooks?

        2. money flows from selling a multi page report that has information packaged and taught in a way that Google doesn't. Have you ever tried to research an entire specialist subject just using Google's manipulated results recently?

        3. 80-90% is all about product selling? Yes. Only a few can actually be successful with Adsense or CPA? Sureabout that? I think you'll find it's harder to sell information that a single page email submit.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        P (cough) L (cough) R (cough).

        I'm ready for the next rebuttle.

        Originally Posted by JustKid View Post

        Sad thing is not everyone is destined to be an expert ebook writer.
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        • Profile picture of the author JustKid
          Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

          P (cough) L (cough) R (cough).

          I'm ready for the next rebuttle.
          Its been already stated but if you wish. PLR is cr@p. Its not your product and most of the time you won't have any idea what its about so your selling theories not tried and tested materials.. Interesting thing there Bluesquares.

          You buy a PLR ebook. Now did most people buy it to try the method thats in the ebook or just to resell it?

          Kinda odd why people are so defensive when I say product selling is all you do. I dabbled in selling a WSO here, it came out very succesful not in terms of actually making $1000's of dollars but the feedback on how I should improve myself.

          ALL im trying to get here is that we should not be telling people who are noobs to IM to just "sell your own product" It just lowers your product in everyone elses eyes. I mean if people started making 100's of sites selling a PLR ebook how can you expect people to find your own product in the mass of ....

          While we should look out for others we should look out for ourselves and see the influence our small advice does to our own products.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
            Not true. Depends who you purchase from. Plus, you should actually "open" the PLR and read through it and edit as required.

            There's a LOT of really good PLR out there made by people that know their stuff. And yes, the techniques inside WORK because they're classic. There is hardly anything "new" in this here interweb marketing world.

            Originally Posted by JustKid View Post

            Its been already stated but if you wish. PLR is cr@p. Its not your product and most of the time you won't have any idea what its about so your selling theories not tried and tested materials.. Interesting thing there Bluesquares.
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            • Profile picture of the author JustKid
              Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

              Not true. Depends who you purchase from. Plus, you should actually "open" the PLR and read through it and edit as required.

              There's a LOT of really good PLR out there made by people that know their stuff. And yes, the techniques inside WORK because they're classic. There is hardly anything "new" in this here interweb marketing world.
              No doubt that John's product is excellent but not every person that buys that is going to be ethical about "rights". Its going to be shared and pirated and the people who do that will start selling his product offering it as PLR and its just a never ending circle with more and more being shared out.

              • 1 Person buys a Plr ebook just to resell it
              • 5 People buys the ebook
              • Out of the five 2 people decide "Oh I think ill sell PLr rights to this even though I dont have rights to it".
              • So 10 people buy it from the two people.
              • Out of the ten 5 people share it on forums and with friends
              • Now all of a sudden 1000 people have the same product
              • Out of the thousand 800 people decide to resell it
              And it just goes so on and so forth. Look were going offtopic. The point of this thread was to inform warriors to becareful of what advice they hand out.

              Noone should be recommending that a new user should be selling IM products. Any internet-savvy user can create an appealing title and copy a sales page. Look lets do a real life example.

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              The best products or the excellent ones are being buried under the sheer number of others selling products!
              And we all know it cause who hasn't bought a crappy product when we thought it was a good one.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by JustKid View Post

                Noone should be recommending that a new user should be selling IM products. Any internet-savvy user can create an appealing title and copy a sales page. Look lets do a real life example.

                Can you truthfully tell me which one is a good product and which one is just a 1page copy paste report?

                The best products or the excellent ones are being buried under the sheer number of others selling products!
                And we all know it cause who hasn't bought a crappy product when we thought it was a good one.
                When the question is asked about what is a good way to make money online, and the answer is "create and sell products", no one says "create and sell crappy products".

                The fact is that some people will do a crappy job of anything from flipping burgers to brain surgery. That doesn't mean that we should tell them to do something else, when we believe that creating quality products is the most rewarding way to make money online for a lot of us.

                Newbies seem to be attracted to the MMO niche no matter what advice you give them, and many of us tell them to stay out of that niche until you know what you're doing. They do it anyway. There are plenty of products and plenty of profitable niches without pretending you're the next big guru and telling people how to make thousands in the next 5 hrs when you haven't made a dime yourself. But you can't convince them of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustKid
    1. who says products automatically = ebooks?
    It was implied I meant ebooks or the WSO section.

    2. money flows from selling a multi page report that has information packaged and taught in a way that Google doesn't. Have you ever tried to research an entire specialist subject just using Google's manipulated results recently?
    Im not disputing the facts that some good stuff are put out there but for a place like DP where its free to post your products can you tell me that even 25% of the cr@p they sell there are researched and well put information? Or are they copy pasted threads from Warriors or other forums. Thats where my problem comes from, the fact that people offer suggestions like make products then sell them that they literally take that to heart and rewrite threads and convert it to a pdf.
    Go to the front page of this site, and look at the sub-forums.
    Kinda interesting you say that. WSO threads are products for a wide variety of things like offline, adsense, cpa, website flipping. I just want to get a small poll going just to see how many actually use those methods or just sell them as theories.

    80-90% is all about product selling? Yes. Only a few can actually be successful with Adsense or CPA? Sureabout that? I think you'll find it's harder to sell information that a single page email submit.
    By the way im reasonably sure that selling info products more so geared toward IM is a good money maker. Esp when you have top named gurus advising us to post a WSO for a quick sale.
    And I mean that 80-90% of the "IMers" are selling products. Not that 8-90 of IM is product selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    There are two types of rants. Those feeling guilty for marketing info and those attempting to lay guilt trips on those who market info. (and as stated in another thread) all else is just details.

    Unless I've missed the boat for the past 10 or 15 years, this forum was founded on the premise that selling information is a good thing.

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  • Profile picture of the author MaryT
    the more products you have the more offer you can have, the more chance for you to generate steady volume of sales

    check the superaffiliates, how much products they are selling, and you see that they usually have created a lot of products to build their business in the first place

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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Noone should be recommending that a new user should be selling IM products. Any internet-savvy user can create an appealing title and copy a sales page. Look lets do a real life example.
      I have yet to see anyone here recommend a newbie create and sell an IM product. There are vast numbers of niches where people can create and sell a product that has nothing to do with making money online or doing business.

      People tell newbies to create a product but I have seen them say over and over again NOT to do the make money products because they don't have any experience in it.

      There are thousands and thousands of digital products on the web that have absolutely nothing to do with making money or selling theories.

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      • Profile picture of the author TimG
        In a sense it almost becomes a normal migration towards products for a variety of different reasons.

        My personal path started like this:

        1 - Adsense
        2 - Affiliate Sales
        3 - PLR PRoducts
        4 - My Own Products

        Ironically enough I am now migrating back towards affiliate sales again using Amazon as the main merchant because currently I am making a majority of my new sites as Amazon affiliate sites.

        However, I am also incorporating PLR products and my own products but I'm not creating those sites as fast as the Amazon sites and they are more labor intensive upfront but ultimately end up providing more ROI per each individual site.

        What I'd also like to get into if I get some free time is to start writing and selling books on Amazon but that's for a bit later down the road.

        Respectfully,
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        I have yet to see anyone here recommend a newbie create and sell an IM product.
        No, because they know that would sound too stupid.

        Noobs and especially their perpetual noob counterparts produce a very high percentage of all "make money online" products. We know these people are generally failed webmasters, marketers or whatever they were trying to do online.

        They have problems producing something and acquiring the necessary traffic to sell it. So they go with what they do know and re-write other people's good sounding forum posts for use in their online income product and then push the product to fellow noobs that they have easy access to.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
          Originally Posted by JustKid View Post


          I'm not here to condem warriors for product selling, heck even I tried selling a WSO. What I am condemming is hypocritial people selling products claiming to make them rich overnight and then making a thread here asking on tips on how to make money.
          Finally, I get what you're trying to say. I must admit, your entire thread is misleading and confusing and doesn't get this message across at all.

          Why didn't you try this:

          Title of thread: "Should you sell information if you don't walk the walk?"
          Body of the thread: Hey all, I've noticed a lot of people selling information on a particular topic, but then asking for help on that same topic at the same time...

          ...is this ok to do? Let's have a poll...

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          But you started by doing a poll about what people should sell or how they should monetize their business, and made about several other points totally unrelated to what you're really getting at.

          No wonder you haven't got a straight answer.

          P.S - To answer your "hidden" question, put it like this: Does a sex toy manufacturer have to be a lady's man or a porn actor to sell his goods?

          The only time you cross the line, is when you make false claims about results you've gotten from using your system.

          I could tell you how to play golf, but without ever getting on the course or swinging a club. And I could do it in a way that makes you thank me over and over for the information.

          Look outside the window. Life is bigger than WF and Digital Point, eBooks and IM.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            I do a little of everything...except for CPA.

            I can't seem to get a CPA company to approve me.

            And I think that's pretty funny when you think of all the money I make
            selling my own products.

            I guess they don't like the way my sites look.

            Just goes to show you. You can't judge a book by its cover.

            Oh well, their loss...not mine.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticlePrince
    Every time that someone has posted in this forum that they're a newbie who needs help, they are specifically cautioned against working in the IM niche (or weight loss niche). But if you love fly fishing, you can probably create a decent product for other people who do too.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Sad thing is not everyone is destined to be an expert ebook writer.
    That's why they have ghostwriters.
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    • Profile picture of the author JustKid
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      That's why they have ghostwriters.
      I'm pretty sure if they are here asking how to make money on the internet they don't have the investment money to hire a good ghostwriter. Just saying.

      Seems ive been going way off topic. This thread was created to

      1. See what income sources most warriors are on.
      2. Offer up a debate on why we should not recommend newbies to IM <- Repeat Internet Marketing to start selling products related to such.

      If your an expert fly fisher and you think your confident enough to create a guide for it best of luck but I am referencing to a thread I saw here where a forum newbi such as myself asked How they can make money online and 5posts later he had a sig link to what he claimed was his own product on how to make $500 a day on facebook.

      If I find the thread Ill post it here
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...new-forum.html

      His sig was removed by a moderator but the replies should give you a hint to what it was about.



      I'm not here to condem warriors for product selling, heck even I tried selling a WSO. What I am condemming is hypocritial people selling products claiming to make them rich overnight and then making a thread here asking on tips on how to make money.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by JustKid View Post

        1. See what income sources most warriors are on.
        2. Offer up a debate on why we should not recommend newbies to IM <- Repeat Internet Marketing to start selling products related to such.
        Most Warriors have a hybrid strategy involving affiliate products, their own products, and CPA offers. Those are the big three... and pretty much everyone here is doing two of those, if not all three. The income split might be very different from Warrior to Warrior.

        And in general, we recommend that people stay out of the IM/MMO niches altogether because they're far too competitive and it's hard to build credibility. The loudest and most prolific speakers here are, of course, in the IM/MMO niches... because this is our business.

        See, you're supposed to connect with your niche. You know all that time you spend off on some other forum connecting with dog owners and fishermen? We spend that time here, connecting with internet marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    That's why I recommend beginners to start with affiliate marketing.

    I started doing affiliate marketing, and I'm still doing affiliate marketing. Tried Adwords once though, but was suspended due to unknown reason(s). Google never told me why.

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    • Profile picture of the author guptara
      Originally Posted by Shaun Lee View Post

      That's why I recommend beginners to start with affiliate marketing.

      I started doing affiliate marketing, and I'm still doing affiliate marketing. Tried Adwords once though, but was suspended due to unknown reason(s). Google never told me why.

      -Shaun
      Adwords is really becoming competitive by the day and people are coming up with parctices which are not really to the liking of google. So they are making some big changes which is effecting most people.
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    Most of my income comes from selling my own products
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