Why aren't we all millionaires?

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If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
Is there anyone on this forum that can honestly say they make a GOOD living doing IM? And if there are, any tips you're willing to give? I understand that it does take time and alot of R&D on your own part. But I'm sure someone has it down pat and might be able to make some comments here and help the rest of us out that aren't doing so hot in something that we honestly think could be enough to support yourself on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    A simple idea: put together Personal Computers and sell them. Anyone could do it, anyone could have done it, anyone could still do it, but Michael Dell did it and became a billionaire. Why?
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    • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      A simple idea: put together Personal Computers and sell them. Anyone could do it, anyone could have done it, anyone could still do it, but Michael Dell did it and became a billionaire. Why?
      Because he understood business as well as computers. He had a business model that proved to work and knew what to do with it. Most IMers probably have no experience in the lessons of business including, yes, marketing, sales, business planning, financing, competition, legal matters, making mistakes and correction, etc. My guess is about 2/3s have never made a face to face sale in their lives and would rather die than make a cold call sale.

      On a whole, people make what they are worth. In other words, if you are not making millions, you aint worth that kind of salary yet probably because of lack of business experience. It's not something that cant be resolved though. Sales and Competition are the two big skills needed in my opinion and you can quickly get this in many ways.

      I remember a quote that also said something like, "If you are scared and do not take action because of that fear, if you are comfortable in what you are doing, you are not making the big money you can. This is why 5% of the population holds something like 75% of the wealth - its their ability to take action despite the fear." This is why Dell is rich, not because of his idea to sell computers wholesale.
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    • Profile picture of the author numba8
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      A simple idea: put together Personal Computers and sell them. Anyone could do it, anyone could have done it, anyone could still do it, but Michael Dell did it and became a billionaire. Why?
      nice! read "The Tipping Point" by Malcom Gladwell.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    Because he had the resources to get cheap computer parts to assemble a computer and sell it for less than the next guy. He also had to have some sort of financial backing or friends to get started. We all aren't so lucky in that aspect.
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    • Profile picture of the author jdenc
      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      Because he had the resources to get cheap computer parts to assemble a computer and sell it for less than the next guy. He also had to have some sort of financial backing or friends to get started. We all aren't so lucky in that aspect.
      Actually he only had 1k in capital investment when he started. What he did do was beat the big boys by going directly to end buyers when others were still using the indirect sales channel. Therefore he could sell cheaper. He also had a bit of luck here and there.
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      • Profile picture of the author duality32
        Originally Posted by jdenc View Post

        Actually he only had 1k in capital investment when he started. What he did do was beat the big boys by going directly to end buyers when others were still using the indirect sales channel. Therefore he could sell cheaper. He also had a bit of luck here and there.
        But you gotta remember, that 1k when he started was worth a bit more than it is now. Also, he had a great deal more luck than most of us could wish for. But I'm not sure that I would call it luck exactly, maybe a great idea that he actually took a leap with?
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        • Profile picture of the author jdenc
          Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

          But you gotta remember, that 1k when he started was worth a bit more than it is now. Also, he had a great deal more luck than most of us could wish for. But I'm not sure that I would call it luck exactly, maybe a great idea that he actually took a leap with?
          Luck is simply opportunity meeting preparation. He was in the right place at the right time with the right idea a couple of times. That doesn't denigrate the idea or the man.
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        • Profile picture of the author James12C
          Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

          But you gotta remember, that 1k when he started was worth a bit more than it is now.
          Not THAT much more, surely??
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    • Profile picture of the author David McAnulty
      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      Because he had the resources to get cheap computer parts to assemble a computer and sell it for less than the next guy. He also had to have some sort of financial backing or friends to get started. We all aren't so lucky in that aspect.
      The reason Michael Dell succeeded was the business model he chose work from. The Build to Order (BTO) is what allowed him to smash the computer market.

      He was able to bulk order of parts and not pay a single dime fore them till each component was already sold. Most of the other computer manufacturer relied on a reseller based model that of course added to their overhead. Dell, with its direct sale model was able dominate the other vendors price was which lead to extreme growth and him becoming a billionaire.

      This all boils down into one thing he was able to deliver value (custom builds) for less.
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    • Profile picture of the author sqnwk
      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      Because he had the resources to get cheap computer parts to assemble a computer and sell it for less than the next guy. He also had to have some sort of financial backing or friends to get started. We all aren't so lucky in that aspect.
      Timing is everything, he built computers when demand for them was ramping up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lilach
    Great question.

    I would also ask that there a lot of business owners that whilst having a successful business are not necessarily millionaires.

    To become a millionaire within IM you really need to have your own product rather than just be an affiliate. It's all about having a great idea that adds value and helps people solve a problem.

    It's also not about turnover, it's about profit. I know a few people who make thousands a month but then they also spend that on their Google Ad words and marketing activities.

    And no IM is not as easy as some landing pages would suggest - otherwise everyone would be doing it.

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    • Profile picture of the author duality32
      Originally Posted by Lilach View Post

      Great question.

      I would also ask that there a lot of business owners that whilst having a successful business are not necessarily millionaires.

      To become a millionaire within IM you really need to have your own product rather than just be an affiliate. It's all about having a great idea that adds value and helps people solve a problem.

      It's also not about turnover, it's about profit. I know a few people who make thousands a month but then they also spend that on their Google Ad words and marketing activities.

      And no IM is not as easy as some landing pages would suggest - otherwise everyone would be doing it.

      Lilach
      Exactly my point, it's not THAT easy. It might be easier to some than others. But the point of this forum is to give those hints and tricks people use to help others and hope to learn something in return.
      And yes, I do agree that you should invest in yourself and your business before blowing your money, thats the only way to get ahead in life.
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      • Profile picture of the author jbento
        My hint.

        Stop trying to make money tomorrow. This is a business, face it like a business man. Plan, test and measure. Dell had a plan. It took him some time to become successful and he made it because he followed his plan, he knew his numbers and was willing to work according the plan.

        Don't look to millionaires and believe they become millionaires overnight. Some guys here are doing IM for 10+ years, planning, analyzing, tweaking, testing...

        There are no shortcuts. Probably 99,9% of people with 1K in their hands would spend it in some fancy vacation or clothes or any other thing. Dell became a millionaire.

        My 5 cents.

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        • Profile picture of the author duality32
          Originally Posted by jbento View Post

          My hint.

          Stop trying to make money tomorrow. This is a business, face it like a business man. Plan, test and measure. Dell had a plan. It took him some time to become successful and he made it because he followed his plan, he knew his numbers and was willing to work according the plan.

          Don't look to millionaires and believe they become millionaires overnight. Some guys here are doing IM for 10+ years, planning, analyzing, tweaking, testing...

          There are no shortcuts. Probably 99,9% of people with 1K in their hands would spend it in some fancy vacation or clothes or any other thing. Dell became a millionaire.

          My 5 cents.

          Jorge
          Thanks for the info, I didn't just put this out there for me. I'm sure other people will benefit from this post. Anyone who has half a brain will realize that you won't get rich in a week, a month and usually not even in a year. But there has to be a goal to reach and you have to realize that slow and steady is better than going all out and giving up having accomplished nothing
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          • Profile picture of the author nizldy
            Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

            Thanks for the info, I didn't just put this out there for me. I'm sure other people will benefit from this post. Anyone who has half a brain will realize that you won't get rich in a week, a month and usually not even in a year. But there has to be a goal to reach and you have to realize that slow and steady is better than going all out and giving up having accomplished nothing
            I am new to IM and have been avidly reading through this forum to learn. I have noticed that many times people who are successful have stated it took approximately three years to break six figures. Of course, each case is different and there are so many variables as to what amount of income is really possible. One thing I know to be true....you will get out of it what you put into it. Thank you for this excellent topic of discussion!

            Take care,

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  • Profile picture of the author Lou Diamond
    Hello,
    it is because most of the people that read this thread and curse themselves will still not take action.
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    • Profile picture of the author reynoldscorb
      Originally Posted by Lou Diamond View Post

      Hello,
      it is because most of the people that read this thread and curse themselves will still not take action.

      Exactly right my friend. I still have days where I will have a plan of daily activities and I only get through one or two of them because I was distracted doing something else. Success comes with action.
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    • Originally Posted by Lou Diamond View Post

      Hello,
      it is because most of the people that read this thread and curse themselves will still not take action.
      Spot on! You will literally be amazed what you can achieve when you take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    I suggest you start looking under your nose. You're in a forum where millionaires have been made, and are currently being made as we speak.

    That's not hype either. It's a well known fact.

    There's more advice within these halls and walls than anywhere else for free...and often for paid too.

    You need to get a clear focus of what it is you want to do, where your skills are, what you can afford to outsource, what you'll have to do yourself, what revenue model you'll be using, how you'll be reaching your market.

    That's a good start. The rest are just details and icing.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Because you actually have to work to succeed. Many people are afraid of the hard work or just afraid of succeeding in general that they give up easily. And of course, it takes time to build up to getting that much money. You also need to focus on what you need to do to be successful.

    And, yes, this is a huge forum so obviously there are those making nothing with IM, for sure, but there are also tons of people making a full time living and making hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars. It's not a joke or exaggeration, it's just fact.
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    • Profile picture of the author duality32
      Thanks ben. I agree that you don't need to reinvent the wheel. But you need to find a way to grab ahold of one of the spokes and hope it turns in the right direction. No one wants to be the wheel on a pinto. They want to move ahead and not backwards. The problem is finding the wheel to begin with. Some people find it right of the bat and can hold on long enough to get the hang of it. While others never find it. It seems that the harder I try to find this wheel, the farther away it gets.
      I thank you all for throwing your 2 cents in. Keep it coming!
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      • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
        From a general marketing point of view you could argue that dell was so successful because he carved out a particular niche and was the leader in that niche (selling computers over the telephone)

        When you're first and the perceived leader in a niche, that's half the battle.

        Either way, the dude done well because he had an idea and he ran with it.


        I don't know why we're not all millionaires, but at the same time I don't think everyone enters the world of IM with the sole intention of becoming a millionaire.

        For example, one of the major attractions for me is the flexibility it offers in allowing me to actually live a life and not be tied down to the same office day in day out.

        That being said, I do believe you can become very wealthy through IM.

        Not everyone 'does it' (or more accurately, is able to become wealthy through IM) because they probably don't take enough action towards being successful with it. And for that, there are probably many reasons.

        Have you ever anwsered your own question though?

        Why aren't you a millionaire yet?

        Why haven't you created wealth for yourself online yet?

        Fingers crossed it opens up some ideas on the possible road blocks you have to overcome in order to get to wherever it is you want to be.

        I honestly think you can earn enough online to be comfortable though. But I don't think its easy.

        It takes time to learn, more time to understand, and then more time to actually implement and take action. Not to mention all the hurdles you have to jump over, all of the failures you have to overcome, the much needed patience when everthing goes wrong, and everything else that wants to get in the way of your success.

        But the bottom line is, we're all capable at doing those three steps, (learn - understand - impement) it's just a case of whether you really want to or not.

        The power of 'why' might help get you motivated. =)
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        • Profile picture of the author Hanz
          I had some wild business ventures in mind too which I thought I'd have made a killing on and established a world wide brand. I even designed a logo for it in college many years back. I was too much of a coward to go through with it when I thought about the possibility of failure and serious repercussions. It stopped me dead in my tracks.
          What irks me is that somebody else became a multi-millionaire doing something similar a short while later which took America by storm. Oh well.
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  • Profile picture of the author benjamindh
    I found my thread on facebook - I really hope it helps you

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2194779

    Keep on going - you will make it
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
    Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

    If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
    Is there anyone on this forum that can honestly say they make a GOOD living doing IM? And if there are, any tips you're willing to give? I understand that it does take time and alot of R&D on your own part. But I'm sure someone has it down pat and might be able to make some comments here and help the rest of us out that aren't doing so hot in something that we honestly think could be enough to support yourself on.
    It doesn't take time... at least not the time you're suggesting.

    The reason "we" (whoever that might be) are not millionaires is because making money online, while easier via the blessings of technology, still comes down to inner freedom. Many people have intellectual, or emotional constraints of which they tend to be largely unaware.

    Think about the many ways your life would change if you made $1M next week. Sure, you'd be as happy as if you hit the lottery but it's short-lived....

    ...because *manifested* reality is the result of 3 forces, one of which is "the force of opposition", and if you don't know what it takes to overcome it, then your riches will remain a fantasy. And, once you overcome the current force of opposition, there'll be a new force of opposition on the higher level for you to overcome... unless you wish just to remain at that level.

    You asked for suggestions....

    1. Tithe - giving to charity *intentionally*, frees you up in ways that go beyond the scope of this post. If you already tithe, then give a little more with the understanding that you're not doing it solely for gain but from the understanding that it IS a component of moving forward spiritually.

    2. Forgive - Think of someone for whom you have disdain as another person, just like you, trying to make sense of this world and doing the best s/he can for him/her self. That doesn't mean you condone their behavior. It just means you understand that you're both under the same laws that govern mankind. Withdrawing your negative energy from that will free you up for greater things.

    3. Pray - Pray for the well-being of others, human, animal, and unknown -- not that they may have what they want, but that they grow in understanding and, therefore, a greater responsible use of their abilities.

    IM knowledge, of which many of us have a lot, is only one leg... the other is "being." If one grows longer than the other, we are lopsided. If you need more proof that what I've been saying is key, then consult, or re-consult, well-known authors such as Dale Carnegie, Wallace Wattles and Napoleon Hill. They focused less on what a person knows than what a person IS.

    Best wishes,
    Eric
    ps. It's also wise to do a yearly budget so you can see what you NEED to continue your current lifestyle as well as a FANTASY budget so you can see what you WOULD need to earn if you wanted to live your dream life. Then, work at increasing your income in INCREMENTS such as making a new car payment every month, or covering your mortgage payment. However big a leap you want to take, at first, is up to you, but to try for the "mil" because "a million" seems like the beginning of financial freedom is a mistake.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    In my view it's not about luck at all. For every successful person who looks to the rest of us like they got extra lucky, I'll put money on them being able to tell you a story or seventy about tough, tough times they went through.

    Everybody goes through a build up phase before they reach breakthrough.

    To me, what really counts is the determination, tenacity and willpower to keep looking for new and effective ways to achieve your goals.

    Here's a great example.

    In Australia we have a major retail chain started by a guy named Dick Smith. He originally just did electronics but now he also does everything down to matches and peanut butter (best peanut butter ever actually).

    When he first started his electronics store he had only a tiny little dump of a place, a beat up car and no advertising budget.

    So you know what he did?

    He took that beat up old car and painted a sign on the side advertising Dick Smith Electronics.

    Then he parked that car on the side of the freeway and left it there, and started walking to and from work.

    Eventually the car would get towed, but by that time so many drivers had seen his sign and visited him that he'd earned more than the fee to get the car back.

    Then he'd park it on another freeway and repeat the process.

    Today he's probably the most successful Australian business person of all time, and one of the world's richest people.

    Determination and imagination will get you there.
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    • Profile picture of the author bizfox
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post


      Everybody goes through a build up phase before they reach breakthrough.
      This is exactly what i was thinking. Most successful business went through several failures first before they struck gold.
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      • Profile picture of the author rts2271
        For there to be haves there have to be have nots
        Wow I hope that makes sense
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          Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

          For there to be haves there have to be have nots
          Wow I hope that makes sense
          Nice! Makes perfect sense...all in one sentence too! =)
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            Originally Posted by thetruth23 View Post

            Nice! Makes perfect sense...all in one sentence too! =)
            It makes zero sense. Hopefully you were being sarcastic.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

          For there to be haves there have to be have nots
          Wow I hope that makes sense
          That is totally a false and limiting idea. Many well-known billionaires achieved their status by helping others become millionaires.
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          • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
            Originally Posted by HypeFree View Post

            Some crap like that. I knew then it was wrong. There are people a few block from my house here in America where people sit on their ass (half of the street) my neghbor to, and the goverment give them $600 per person plus kids, all the fook (100%) then 90% of the house payment. They hven't worked in 20 years and they think I'm a stupid moron. How do they fit in this equasion?
            Exactly what i said, people make what they are worth whether they want to admit or not.

            I know a guy on welfare, he has a list of 10,000 that follow his posts all the time. The sad thing is, this guy does not want to risk his $600/mn by marketing to this list. How stupid is that? It is a poor attitude that will NEVER change.
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            • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
              The first point would be that it is not IM, it is Business (IM is just one way of marketing your business) -- and to do business well you do need some skills and attitudes that not many people have...

              1. You need to understand marketing - what it means to listen to your market in a way that lets you understand the emotional needs and wants of your market

              2. You must be willing to take action!

              3. You must be willing to make mistakes (and lots of them). The biggest difference between me running a successful business and many of my friends who have tried and given up or have never even tried is the fear of making mistakes. I have always looked at business as "the quicker you get through the mistakes, the sooner you hit on something big".

              Nobody succeeds with the very first thing they do in business, and most don't succeed with the 7th or 8th thing they do...but the really successful people have stuck with it and learned that making mistakes gets them that much closer to achieving their goals.

              4. You must adapt to change. In business, just when you hit a certain level of success, a challenge will be right around the corner ( a new competitor, a change in demand, some other event out of your control) - so you have to be willing to do it all over again

              5. It helps to understand the principles of persuasion - what makes people comfortable enough to buy from you. This is the basis of all marketing, advertising, selling and business - and some say, life in general.

              As you can see, there are some critical elements that are required - how many people do you know that are willing to excel at all five of these?

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            • Profile picture of the author ozduc
              The answer to this is pretty simple.
              Most people are not millionaires because they don't think like a millionaire,
              so therefore they do not act like a millionaire.
              Now I am not talking about buying fancy cars etc.
              I am talking about the work ethic and mindset that a millionaire has.
              If you observed the average work day of a millionaire and then observed the average work day of someone who is not a millionaire, i am sure you would see a big difference.
              Speaking of Dell, he may have started with very little money but that didn't really matter. It is what he did with that small amount to get where he is today.
              You only have to drive down any street in some of the poorest neighborhoods in the U.S. to see what I mean.
              You will see the satellite dishes (more than likely a big screen TV as well)
              You will see old cars but with fancy expensive rims.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaun Lee
    It all starts with procrastination and the laziness in a man.

    With no action, there is no reaction.

    Get a blueprint and work on it. Just do it. If it fails, then learn your mistakes and redo it. Keep on it and soon you'll see success. Perseverance pays off. I know it does, I'm living proof.

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  • Profile picture of the author richardtgray
    If you are already a millionaire then you wouldn't waste most of your time posting in forum threads and instead you go out enjoy your money.
    People tend to be easily attracted in "get rich fast" promos. Yes, the owners of the system are rich and successful. But I think not all system works for everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author duality32
      Originally Posted by richardtgray View Post

      If you are already a millionaire then you wouldn't waste most of your time posting in forum threads and instead you go out enjoy your money.
      People tend to be easily attracted in "get rich fast" promos. Yes, the owners of the system are rich and successful. But I think not all system works for everyone.
      Not true, because if they wanted to make more money they would tell you how they did it and try to get you on their team. Not true? Exactly, thats what i would do if i was in that position. Not just enjoy all my money. Because thats how people go from having money to broke. Yeah, sure, you enjoyed it while you had it. And you're used to not having to work for it anymore because it came so easy. But what do you do when it all runs out and you dont have a backup plan?
      The same could be said about Mr. Dell. If he had decided not to reinvest in himself, would he be where hes at today? I think not.
      And yes, people are attracted to the get rich fast promos. And yes, the owners are wealthy because of it. Because they have found a way to have everyone else do their marketing and don't have to spend much as far as advertising and sales go. They just make the product or service and have others do the hard sales work. Yeah, it may be a good product and may have an excellent use, but it's not going to sell itself.
      There are many products and services out there that are related very closely in what they do. For example, weight loss products. They all promise to help you lose weight FAST. But how many of them actually work? The reason people buy it is because its the new "fad". And because people think that if they get in on the "ground" level that they will be rich and doing no work in no time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
    The reason I'm not yet a millionaire is the fact that I give too much of my money away
    to others that are less fortunate. They don't ask for it, they receive it because I see
    they need it more than myself.

    Will I stop doing that to earn a Million? No.

    When the time is right and the greater powers believe I can handle it, it
    will come and I'll step up to the next level.

    I consider myself Wealthy. I'm not talking about wealthy via money. I'm talking about
    the fact that I have no problem sleeping at nights and my family has what it needs.

    Life deals people all sorts of problems and depending on your mind set, you may or
    may not escape the problem. If you know that what you are doing is right and believe
    in yourself and people in general, It comes back to you. Some times you receive more
    than you sow and other times you break even or lose a little.

    Either way the feeling is good knowing that you made a difference in someones life
    in which they will never forget. That's what I call being Wealthy.

    Anyone can make money I'd much rather be Wealthy!

    Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author BrainCopy
    Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

    If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
    Is there anyone on this forum that can honestly say they make a GOOD living doing IM? And if there are, any tips you're willing to give? I understand that it does take time and alot of R&D on your own part. But I'm sure someone has it down pat and might be able to make some comments here and help the rest of us out that aren't doing so hot in something that we honestly think could be enough to support yourself on.
    You can literally be given the tools and training to become a millionaire, but it's so "far fetched" we simply don't take action because making a million dollars in 12 months isn't normal... we some how fear what's not normal.

    "the 12 month millionaire" is a perfect example. He borrowed $2k from his uncle and in 6 months did over 1 million in gross. Sounds "unbelievable" because we don't see that every day.

    Anyone can be a millionaire - You just have to have the desire and will power to get there.
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    On the subject of millionares i have seen someone here in the u.k become a millionare from observing a plank of wood on a building site on farm then turning it into a multi million pound business which had turned into a major tool in d.i.y for normal people.


    Like a lot of people say on here you need to grab the wheel not invent it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Boy
    The best advice i can give is what my first mentor Mr Green told me when i went in for an interview to start my selling career. He handed me a blank page and a pen and said write down your answers to this question "Why I haven't been successful and rich in life so far?"

    I remember i wrote out 27 reasons why i hadn't been successful and rich. He took the page and read it and I'll never forget his reply... He said all good reasons Dan but you aren't on it!

    Since that day i have always looked at myself why i was not good at anything i did. It boils down to me to make things happen. So if there are millions in the IM world [and there is] it's up to us to find a way to do it. This forum is the best source I've found for people willing to help who are already successful in IM. Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
      Is there anyone on this forum that can honestly say they make a GOOD living doing IM? And if there are, any tips you're willing to give? I understand that it does take time and alot of R&D on your own part. But I'm sure someone has it down pat and might be able to make some comments here and help the rest of us out that aren't doing so hot in something that we honestly think could be enough to support yourself on.
      Sure.

      Any tips? Dont' feel like it. Just read the forums.

      Originally Posted by Danny Boy View Post

      The best advice i can give is what my first mentor Mr Green told me when i went in for an interview to start my selling career. He handed me a blank page and a pen and said write down your answers to this question "Why I haven't been successful and rich in life so far?"

      I remember i wrote out 27 reasons why i hadn't been successful and rich. He took the page and read it and I'll never forget his reply... He said all good reasons Dan but you aren't on it!

      Since that day i have always looked at myself why i was not good at anything i did. It boils down to me to make things happen. So if there are millions in the IM world [and there is] it's up to us to find a way to do it. This forum is the best source I've found for people willing to help who are already successful in IM. Hope this helps.
      Dan
      That was trippy. At first I didn't get it. I read it thinking
      "okayyyy....oh!". You wrote 27 reasons and not one of
      them mentioned you as being the reason...very clever.

      I'll have to use that myself for others.
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    What are your skills? Go ahead and monetize it!
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    If you want to make a certain amount of money you'll need a plan to get there.
    When you have a plan then you can ignore the hypey sales pages which don't apply to your plan.

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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

    If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
    Because Bill Gates sucked up all of the money and won't let any go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bongoshaq1
    ....Neither are the people who claim making 7 figures. They are hopping from offer to offer panhandling everyone in sight.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
      Originally Posted by Bongoshaq1 View Post

      ....Neither are the people who claim making 7 figures. They are hopping from offer to offer panhandling everyone in sight.
      True to a point but, There are many people/Warriors that are not faking it so to make such a
      general statement isn't proper/correct in this forum.

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      • Profile picture of the author _jose_
        I met Michael Dell himself 3-4 years ago when he was giving a conference here in Ottawa. At the time he was launching a new dell location here, which ended up being shutdown later.

        Anyway, an audience member asked him a similar question to this one and his reply was somthing like: "If you do what everybody else is doing, you'll get what everybody else has." He talked about how you need to come up with an idea/system that's not being used by your neighbor business owner.

        So applying it to this.....it's because lots of people are taking the same approach, therefore achieving similar results. The ones that are taking a different one, taking it to the next level, those are the IM millionaires out there somewhere.

        If you're going after million digit salary, then aim for that, do something different, take risks...take bigger risks. We're not all going after the 1M here, I don't think, my goal right now is anywhere from 3k to 10k monthly, then we'll see.
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    • Profile picture of the author brenmk
      It takes time to build a successful business. Whether you are working
      online or off the money doesn't fall in your lap with no effort.

      Be honest and build relationships as you communicate with others.
      There is lots of effective free training online to learn the steps in
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      I have made a good living for quite a few years and I also know and have met and helped MANY others who are doing the same.

      My basic tips:

      # Get really good at something. Forget about the idea of the week products and threads.

      Just do ONE thing and learn to do it well.

      Many of the internet marketing information products actually do show you how to genuinely make money.

      The problem is most people will try it for a few hours, a few days or a couple of weeks and since they're not rolling in it jump on the next idea of the week.

      That doesn't work in ANY field of endeavour.

      Get really good at SEO, or pay per click or copywriting or affiliate marketing...anything where you think you have some talent and stick with it until you become a genuinely skilled expert.

      Then you'll be making money.


      # Make sure your focus is always on being of genuine service to others.

      The business models that come and go are usually based around some temporary loophole or some way to take advantage of others.

      Forget that rubbish.

      Find a way to deliver more value than what you ask for in return.

      That's a business model that will endure and will also give you some personal satisfaction.


      # Expect to work and work hard for somewhere between 3 months and 2 years to develop a serious income.

      The harder and more intelligently you work the less time it takes...usually.

      But yes there's some luck involved.

      Persistence overcomes luck every time though.

      The guy who's still in there working intelligently...taking serious well thought out action until it wields results will see success.

      It might be sooner, it might be later but it will come.


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    • Profile picture of the author Avnery
      Well that is a question i have come across a few times and 9 times out of 10 it has come from people who have tried to do something and never made it.
      It is common with those seeking internet cash opportunities
      I guess the number one reason is people expect instant results which do not always materialize.
      Millionnaires never fail they just quit before success happens.
      Thats my view
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    So pretty much, if I don't know how to do IM right now, and can't get any ideas or a little help, I should just stop? I mean, I really do want to become successful, but I'm sure everyone has had SOME help along the way. And like I said before, this isn't just for me. I'm trying to help others too by posting a question that the mass would at least look at. So, pretty much I just need to keep reading and asking questions to figure out what it is that I need to do. So far all I've learned today is that I need to make a list. I still have no idea what to do when it comes to the marketing part. I don't wanna sound pushy to someone. But then again, people have said thats exactly what you want to do. So who's right and who's wrong?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I really do want to become successful, but I'm sure everyone has had SOME help along the way
      Some help?

      Looking back over help you have asked for in one month:

      You said you were selling a product
      You asked how to get mlm leads
      How to get your blog to work
      How to add adsense to your blog
      How to get PR from google
      Building a forum - how to link it
      How to make money from a forum where people "talk about whatever they want"
      Where to get good writers
      How to profit from your blog
      Complaint about your 3 days of adsense earnings
      How to make money with clickbank
      Why Craigslist is banning your "click here" ads

      In every case, members here answered your questions in pretty good detail and answered the followup questions you asked, too. I'd call that "help".

      To your credit you are taking some action. You aren't afraid to try things - but you aren't learning the methods you try.

      You seem to be jumping into one thing after another which is a common mistake for marketers. To make anything work you need to have a plan for what you will do with your blog - what your forum is about. To succeed at anything you have to stick with it for a while.

      And - if the blog link you posted in several threads is the correct domain for your blog - the domain has expired.

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      • Profile picture of the author duality32
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Some help?

        Looking back over help you have asked for in one month:

        You said you were selling a product
        You asked how to get mlm leads
        How to get your blog to work
        How to add adsense to your blog
        How to get PR from google
        Building a forum - how to link it
        How to make money from a forum where people "talk about whatever they want"
        Where to get good writers
        How to profit from your blog
        Complaint about your 3 days of adsense earnings
        How to make money with clickbank
        Why Craigslist is banning your "click here" ads

        In every case, members here answered your questions in pretty good detail and answered the followup questions you asked, too. I'd call that "help".

        To your credit you are taking some action. You aren't afraid to try things - but you aren't learning the methods you try.

        You seem to be jumping into one thing after another which is a common mistake for marketers. To make anything work you need to have a plan for what you will do with your blog - what your forum is about. To succeed at anything you have to stick with it for a while.

        And - if the blog link you posted in several threads is the correct domain for your blog - the domain has expired.

        kay
        That was actually about a year ago and I am not into those things anymore, that's why I'm not talking about those things. I'm still trying to figure out what I'm good at. And I'm doing that by trying many things. Not all at once of course. But thanks for your input
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    • Profile picture of the author BenBrandes
      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      So pretty much, if I don't know how to do IM right now, and can't get any ideas or a little help, I should just stop? I mean, I really do want to become successful, but I'm sure everyone has had SOME help along the way.
      Your questions are valid. There are so many different ways to make money online. There is no specific "best" way. Find a system and stick to it - give it your all for the next 90 days. Don't get side tracked, don't look for the 'next best thing'.

      From there you tweak and learn over time. There is so much help out there you just need to be hungry to learn and be creative to get in touch with the people you want to learn from.

      Of course everyone has had SOME help along the way. This forum is a huge help - especially the War Room (paid section).

      You've just gotta commit to something and follow through with it

      I hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

    Is there anyone on this forum that can honestly say they make a GOOD living doing IM?
    I can.

    Tips? Sure.

    Here is how I do it:

    I create info products;

    I sell them to my lists;

    I have a bunch of affiliates who promote them;

    I do a bunch of JV's;

    I have back end products that I upsell;

    I do SEO;

    I own about 100 web sites;

    I advertise on Adwords;

    I own two membership sites.

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    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Swinburne
    It is about taking action and about working hard. Remember that there is no such thing as a free lunch. I am new to IM and still trying to make a $1 let alone a $1,000,000.00. But, I am trying and putting in a lot of hours. I've joined this forum to get ideas. I am constantly searching out new ideas. I WILL NOT GIVE UP.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Because not everyone believes that he/she can be a millionaire.

    Talk to a 9-5 worker & ask him/her...

    Why aren't you a millionaire?

    They will probably say... Because I'm not lucky, because I'm in
    the working class etc... etc..

    Normally they'll just invent some excuse.

    Truth is... if you really want to be a millionaire, you can do it, you'll
    find your way.

    1 million dollars isn't really that huge. A citizen of a well-developed country
    could easily make that amount of money if he really puts up
    some effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    I kind of believe in the whole mindset thing, BUT, you can have all the mindset in the world, and NOT do anything about it, and never get anywhere. I know some really smart people who could do anything they wanted to with their mind. Invent new things that would sell for millions, but the fact is, they're lazy. They got HUGE ideas. But no way to make them possible. Or so they think.
    And I understand that 1 million dollars isn't huge. But who doesn't wanna say that they made a million dollars with IM. One of the fastest growing "industries" out there. I, for one, don't want to work for minimum wage and live like a bum. I mean, I could get by. But I want to live mostly stress free when it comes to money. I would like to get a system down and then run with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author DOWORKSON
      The reason your not millionaire is because your too busy dicking around on this forum instead of working. You read this crap all day, filling your mind with all the negativity and the false information given by the hundreds of mildly successful people on this forum.

      You can tell why your not a millionaire already..

      ...You asked a bunch of non-millionaires how to become a millionaire.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        There is no one reason why we all arent millionaires. Its differrent for all of us.

        For some, maybe they need to change everything.

        For others, maybe they just need some tweeking.

        And for the few, they just need that one thing.

        It could be that you have capital and you have an idea but you dont want to get of your fat ass.

        Or it could be that you try and try and try, but your going by it the wrong way using silly strategies.

        And to be totally honest. I think your question needs some revision. Not everyone wants to be a millionaire.
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    • Profile picture of the author Damani Tabor
      The key difference between the millionaires and the rest of us is that they seem to have gotten all of the 5 or 6 failures before success out of their system.

      Why?

      Because the boldly proceed without fear and take action!
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  • Profile picture of the author Im_me
    Hello all!! Internet Marketing has really been labeled sales but I totally disagree with that! For example you go to the dealership to buy a car..Did that car salesman sell you that car? My answer is NO. You( the customer) went there to purchase a car..right? so the salesmen didn't do anything but show up for work. The car is a product already made and available and the salesmen didn't create it or produce it..Internet Marketer's job is to CREATE or solve a problem/need AKA create a product. Thereafter you are finding(in search of) the customer that your product solves a problem for. Then you deliver it to them as if you were the customer. Many do not know the principles how and this will be the difference in your bank account..Im_me
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    I'm not really sure of the reasons. Having seen and talked to a lot of people over the years, I've seen a lot. People don't stick to one thing even when it's making them money.

    There was a guy who wasn't making any money... but with some efforts and time, he made around $1000 in one week selling two sites. Instead of scaling that up, he left it and moved into CPA. Today, he's still buying products on how to make money with CPA.

    I think that's the biggest problem - people don't stick to something for long enough even after it has produced results. They don't have the patience.

    Other than that, many people simply don't believe that this works - I've seen many people complete all the steps but the last one just because they are afraid this might not work. I don't understand the reasoning behind this.

    There may be many others ... but I think these two are the biggest of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zayne Kendrick
    If we go at the root cause of it, it's because most people fear success and failure.

    Even if they have ALL the info they need, the fear keeps them paralyzed.

    In other words, their foundation (self-esteem) is weak.
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  • Profile picture of the author davewebsmith
    thanks for all the advice - there is a wealth of experience, resources and information here
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  • Profile picture of the author Maryleena
    What a great thread!

    Here are a few ideas of mine...

    #1: Find a niche that you are pasionate about (passion is what drives you)
    #2: In that nice, try to create a bue ocean (no competition area) Read the book.
    #3: You need to give huge amounts of vaule up front (what does your prospect want)
    #4: Brand yourself as an expert (Write a book, speek at events, have experts to recommend you)
    #5: Network with the people who are already in the zone (coaching programs, seminars, events, twitter, facebook and so on)

    You need to be percived as an expert in your niche, and an expert that cares about the fans. Then you dont need to sell, people will come to you to buy!

    This is hard... it takes currage and fokus.... you will fall. The thing that is going to make you a millionaire is... you keep going toward your goal overcomming your own fears.

    So the first thing to do... Have a vision!

    Good luck, and enjoy!
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  • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
    ...Because most of the people nowadays are into quick ways to earn money. They aren't much aware that Internet Marketing is not only about the knowledge to surf the internet, make a research, create compelling content and so forth. It has lots of areas wherein you have to learn and focus on to yield better and ongoing results -- which takes amount of time.

    I believe when every people around here has invested enough hard work and also knowledge to see where they really are passionate about to help people, then possibly, there'll be passive numbers of millionaires here and there.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaycee_online
    Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

    If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
    Is there anyone on this forum that can honestly say they make a GOOD living doing IM? And if there are, any tips you're willing to give? I understand that it does take time and alot of R&D on your own part. But I'm sure someone has it down pat and might be able to make some comments here and help the rest of us out that aren't doing so hot in something that we honestly think could be enough to support yourself on.
    Hi
    Having just rejoined the Forum after a couple of months, I was looking out for some good topics of discussion that I could get involved with, and hopefully add something worthwhile to. This is the topic I picked first, because it is something we have all heard, said ourselves, or still think in our minds even if we no longer voice it out loud.

    Squeezepage syndrome no longer rings true, does it? The effects of the brainwashing are beginning to wear off, isn't is, as we shake our heads, wake up and angrily start to demand some answers. "Show me the money, then!"

    Been there.

    And the response? Now you're free to go out into the big wide world, the real world, and find the real money for yourself.

    And truth is, didn't we always know that, deep down? If we could really have push-button cash, we would all have RSI (repetitve strain injury) from pushing the button all day long.

    But...what I've sussed out, if my halfpenny of wisdom counts for anything...we are NOT all cut out to be Internet Marketers. Internet Marketing revolves around a skill that you need to have a passion to acquire and an aptitude to master.

    Know what it is?

    DIALOGUE

    However you put it - in writing, in pictures, in video - to make it on the internet you have to learn the age-old art of communication. And not just any old boring, been said a tri-zillion times, re-hashed brown nonsense! Yes, someone out there may not have heard it yet, but I have and I've heard enough!

    The Cyberworld wants to engage with real people. One's who have personality, humour, a past, present and an uncertain but desired future. One's with believable experiences, losses & failures, believable characters, genuine achievements, expectancy and capabilities. I'm talking flesh and blood PEOPLE, not CYBER-SUPERMEN!

    So, I'll end here.

    The information highway requires people who can keep up with the flow of traffc but who don't just get their kicks from driving around just to be flash, then smash and dash off with the cash!

    The information highway requires signposts, pit-stops, cafes and motels; schools and banks and theatres and shops. Is that making any sense?

    What I mean to say is, online works a lot like offline (didn't we alrady know that? Have we mysteriously forgotten?) If you can communicate to others how they can do something they want to, where they can find something they are looking for, what they should pay for something they want etc. etc. etc. - they will listen to you.

    As the good old saying goes (which I only learned about a month ago), people will begin to know, like and trust you - and then they will heed your advise and follow your lead.

    Oh, did I say the in-ter-net is about net-working? Relationships? Too obvious. But even that didn't sink in till recently.

    Success online, in my newly formed opinion, is not about making money - its about making friends. Once you have a few (million) friends online, even if you sell them a soft-drink each, well...

    Hope you can relate in some way to my perspective: it's genuine.

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author jaycee_online
      Thanks for the 'thanks' encouragement from you guys, CDARKLock and Mark Andrews. This is only my second post ever on WF, though I'm going to start to hang out more, and see if my tuppence, h'penny can be of any further assistance or at least appreciated. Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author BonganiS
    Becoming a millionaire is a process so it is not an overnight thing. But one has to start somewhere and make some adjustments here and there along the way.

    The mindset also important. One has to see himself a millionaire before it is practically so. The self- placed limits have to be removed. Learn new ideas and tips like we are doing here. But the most important thing is to apply the knowledge we acquire.

    I am on my way to becoming a millionaire.
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    I believe it is EASY!

    Its all about work ethic. Of course it takes hard work, but the principle of making money online isn't hard.

    Like many have stated, especially the DELL example. The people that win are the ones that work and stick at it!

    If we all worked hard and STUCK AT IT, there would be more richer IMers!

    GoGetta
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  • We are not all millionaires simply because not all have great products and capital, and not all are willing to do the ground and pound so to speak in working out building their businesses if they already have.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    So, what would be the best way to get these people? I know about list making and all that. But, what does it really take to get and KEEP these people? We all need something with staying power. Not many people have that. What makes something stay around long enough to prosper from it? Is it the fact that whatever it is makes someones life easier? Does it teach them something? Does it appeal for them to resell? What is it exactly?
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  • Profile picture of the author Preben Frenning
    People mention luck here. I don't believe in luck. Why are some people more lucky than others? - Because they are trying.

    Let's just take an example of someone who often wins competitions online etc. Why? Because they enter in a lot of competitions. Some might say "I have bad luck, I never win at games" - It's because they haven't played enough. (The ones that win rarely tell someone when they lose, but only when they win)

    So to succeed in business, it's not about luck. Anyone can make themselves lucky if they try. So no excuses for not being lucky, or that rich people are.

    Everyone can be rich, everyone can be "lucky". It's all about taking the right decisions.
    I'm not rich, but I will be some day. (I'm only 20) I know I can, and the same goes for everyone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author duality32
      Originally Posted by Preben Frenning View Post

      People mention luck here. I don't believe in luck. Why are some people more lucky than others? - Because they are trying.

      Let's just take an example of someone who often wins competitions online etc. Why? Because they enter in a lot of competitions. Some might say "I have bad luck, I never win at games" - It's because they haven't played enough. (The ones that win rarely tell someone when they lose, but only when they win)

      So to succeed in business, it's not about luck. Anyone can make themselves lucky if they try. So no excuses for not being lucky, or that rich people are.

      Everyone can be rich, everyone can be "lucky". It's all about taking the right decisions.
      I'm not rich, but I will be some day. (I'm only 20) I know I can, and the same goes for everyone else.
      Thats the exact way I feel. I WILL be wealthy enough someday to not stress on money, I don't want an insane amount of money, but enough to do what makes me happy you know? Yeah it will take alot of hard work and dedication, but I know I can do it, and anyone who has any drive can do it
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

    If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
    Is there anyone on this forum that can honestly say they make a GOOD living doing IM? And if there are, any tips you're willing to give? I understand that it does take time and alot of R&D on your own part. But I'm sure someone has it down pat and might be able to make some comments here and help the rest of us out that aren't doing so hot in something that we honestly think could be enough to support yourself on.
    Seriously ... if someone tells you to jump off a cliff, are you going to?
    If the answer to the above is no .... why would you believe all the sales letters that tell you can make thousands in a couple of hrs with NO Work or Skills involved?

    I make a good living in Internet Marketing. I create my own products and market them. It's a business ... not a flash in the pan "secret method." It takes a lot of work and skills.

    If you're jumping from one secret method to the next and not building a business, you most likely won't ever have any real success.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    Another thing, is making your own product more profitable than marketing someone elses? I would assume so, but wouldn't it take more up front cost to produce? Even if its just copywriting?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      Another thing, is making your own product more profitable than marketing someone elses? I would assume so, but wouldn't it take more up front cost to produce? Even if its just copywriting?
      How much up front costs is there to copywriting? You sit down and start writing. If you're good at it, you build a reputation and your price increases. If you suck at it, you won't make much.

      How much does it cost to build sites and sell them? Domain name and hosting are minimal costs. It takes skill to create them, promote them and get them to a marketable point, but very little cost.

      Ebooks ... if you have a great idea ... how much does it cost to sit down and write about it in an ebook? No money.

      The key is to create valuable products ... not just junk. Build a reputation for valuable products and people will buy. Build a reputation for junk and you'll get nothing but a few sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    Originally Posted by StedeTroisi View Post

    duality, do you realize that most people in IM fail? Do you even know what IM is? Do you sell your own product or ClickBank products? Do you really believe that people can make a lot of money onilne? If so, how do you know for certain? Are they doing it the way they tell you?

    What if I told you that you needed a lot of money to get started in IM? What would you do?

    Here is one piece of advice. Find someone who makes money the way you want to make money, and have them show you how to do it. Make sure they coach you the whole step of the way, not sell you a product. Can you find a master who will take you as an apprentice?

    - Stede
    Im sure that I could, but the fact remains. Why would someone give someone else their secrets to making money? I'm sure 99% of real money makers keep their secret to keep their money flowing in. If everyone taught how they do things, then that just levels the playing field and we all have to find another way to do it.

    And if you did say that I needed alot of money to start IM, I would ask, where am I going to spend it? Is it worth it if I fail? What if I do something wrong. But the point is, I would definently like to learn what it takes to do something like this. I'm not looking for a handout or to be pulled aside and be told "there there, you'll get it someday" I'm looking to do what it takes to get where I want. It doesn't matter how long it takes, as long as I'm heading in the right direction.

    I'm just gettin the facts and the help that I need before I just jump in(like I have done in the past)
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      Why would someone give someone else their secrets to making money?
      Why would anyone show you where they get their water?

      Look, if I have an endless supply of water, and I need water to live... why should I show you where it is? Find your own damn water.

      Right?

      Of course, if there's more water than I can ever use... what is the harm if I show you where it is? Are you going to take it all? Are you going to take too much of it? Will there not be enough for me anymore?

      What if there's just no way in hell that you can take enough water for me to even notice you've taken any?

      It's just plain selfish and nasty of me to say "I know you need water to live, but this is my water and you don't get any of it!"

      Of course, it's just plain selfish and nasty of you to say "I don't want to go and get the water where you get it, can you just bring me some water too? You're going out to get some anyway."

      The only sensible thing for me to do is show you where I get my water, and then you go get your own. And if you just plain don't get it, and I have to draw you a map, it's perfectly fair if I expect you to pay me for that map. If you need a guide, I have every right to charge even more for that.

      And if you need me to hold your hand, walk you to the water, let you borrow my pail, tie a rope around your waist so you don't fall in, and help you carry the bucket back to your place? You can expect to pay me a whole hell of a lot.

      Is this metaphor doing anything for you?
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      • Profile picture of the author l23bc
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Why would anyone show you where they get their water?

        Look, if I have an endless supply of water, and I need water to live... why should I show you where it is? Find your own damn water.

        Right?

        Of course, if there's more water than I can ever use... what is the harm if I show you where it is? Are you going to take it all? Are you going to take too much of it? Will there not be enough for me anymore?

        What if there's just no way in hell that you can take enough water for me to even notice you've taken any?

        It's just plain selfish and nasty of me to say "I know you need water to live, but this is my water and you don't get any of it!"

        Of course, it's just plain selfish and nasty of you to say "I don't want to go and get the water where you get it, can you just bring me some water too? You're going out to get some anyway."

        The only sensible thing for me to do is show you where I get my water, and then you go get your own. And if you just plain don't get it, and I have to draw you a map, it's perfectly fair if I expect you to pay me for that map. If you need a guide, I have every right to charge even more for that.

        And if you need me to hold your hand, walk you to the water, let you borrow my pail, tie a rope around your waist so you don't fall in, and help you carry the bucket back to your place? You can expect to pay me a whole hell of a lot.

        Is this metaphor doing anything for you?
        i know this post is old but you could charge them for using the tap for filling up their bucket of water rather then showing him the whole lake. Thats what the top "gurus" would do. heck if their was a training program for filling up buckets of water on clickbank the guru's sales copy would be something like.

        funnel your way to sucessful part 1...dont get dry in the maze of internet marketing...part 1 i will show you the jazzcuzzi lifestyle while others dream of finding a pond to drink from?.... only 37 bucks to use my tap?

        just a idea but my whole point is as marketers learn the word(market) we provide a desire, knowledge of a brand, reputation how do you think pepsi or'coke' became a major player in the brand business. the right product can make millions but its preparing and no dreaming to that mind set "If i leave this here or do....such and such ill be quids in next week" WRONG!! like any business what you put in you get out.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    Makes sense, like I said, I'm new to the IM thing. I have read somewhere about copywriting what you write or something to that effect, or someone could just steal it and sell it too. Do I have this wrong?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      Makes sense, like I said, I'm new to the IM thing. I have read somewhere about copywriting what you write or something to that effect, or someone could just steal it and sell it too. Do I have this wrong?
      Learning to protect your work is unfortunately, just a part of doing business on the Internet. DMCAs will protect your work if you find someone has ripped it off. Doesn't take long to file one with a host and they work.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    Yeah, it's making me laugh at how simple you put it
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

      Yeah, it's making me laugh at how simple you put it
      It really is simple. People have turned it into too much of a buzzword, but "scarcity" and "abundance" are the key.

      Most people have this misconception that there is only so much money in the world, and if I tell you where my money comes from, you'll run grab it and then I won't get any. That's scarcity. And when you're trying to get money out of someone else's wallet, money really is scarce. There's only so much money in one wallet, or one bank account, or one customer.

      But in the world? There are more customers than I will ever meet. So many more, in fact, that I don't have to worry about running out of them. I can never bring every customer into my store that would like to shop there. I can never bring 100% of the people who would like to read my blog to my web site where they can read it. I just can't. I'm lucky to bring one percent of them.

      That's abundance.

      I couldn't help all of them if I tried. There are just too many. Six billion people. Even if only one in a million wanted my product or service once a year, and it only took one hour to provide that product or service... there simply aren't enough waking hours in the day. Do the math.

      So if it takes ten hours to provide that service... there can be ten people working all day, every day, and never running out of customers. And since most of us would like to work a forty-hour week with a daily lunch break, there can be thirty.

      And if one in a thousand people wants this service? There can be thirty thousand people working full-time to serve these customers, and we never run out. Ever. We still can't serve them all. There are still several hundred thousand customers that aren't getting served.

      And let's go back to that oft-quoted statistic that 97% of internet marketers fail. Thirty thousand people succeeding implies 970,000 failing. That's a million people. I can teach a million people how to do this, and there are still more customers than can be handled.

      So when I put out my product, and a thousand people learn my "secret" for making money... even ten thousand... why should I be worried? Why should this bother me? If every single one of them does it, and does it successfully, there are still three times the customers we can handle.
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    Originally Posted by StedeTroisi View Post

    duality,

    try looking at this business the way you would look at any startup. Think Microsoft for example. They didn't buy tons of IM products to build Microsoft. Then how did they do it?

    1. They saw an opportunity (new Intell 8088 processor needs an OS)
    2. They bought the operating system from someone who already made it.
    3. They went to the source of demand (IBM) and sold it to them exclusively.

    GAME OVER. Do the same.
    Sounds easy doesn't it? Like I said in my original post, people make things sound easier than they really are. We can all have ideas, but never do anything with them. I know money isn't a free handout and that it takes time and alot of work to get it. Gettin that first dollar feels REALLY good, because you know that you did SOMETHING right. But then that second dollar comes in and now you're stoked. So I try to tweak what I'm doing to make that third dollar come faster than the 2nd. And so on and so forth. But it can only go so far until you're at a standstill because your knowledge of IM or whatever only goes so far
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  • Profile picture of the author marica theuma
    Hi! I am sure most of us go through your frustration. There is this kind of lure in the thought that we can become rich overnight...it's what makes people play the lotteries, casinos, etc! It's such a good feeling if it ever does happen...only recently I witnessed this myself...my mom won a sum of as much as a month's pay, and it felt so good to see the lotto reciever count over the money to her...easy money sort of (maybe it aint afer all when you count the money spent in tickets, year over year, but you get the idea...)
    The truth is only so very few people will be so lucky, so can't base on that sure you agree. I have over the years become aware of one comment that was said
    to you in these replies...it is a question of opportunity meeting preparation. You start to understand this when it happens to you, on a small or large scale alike.
    You are right, this is not easy for the most of us, making a living online. But start to see it as a process, take up an opportunity, keep your focus, very important, you are learning all the while, even if your bank account remains the same...lol, most go through the experience of getting into debt before their real opportunity comes up, but you don't have to do that.
    It has happened to me that I spent nearly four years trying to make money with different opportunities and not succeeding in any. I was jumping into the last shiny path, but I never really took action...but I was preparing myself gradually by getting more choosier and boiling it down to the realisation that I needed a mentor or I'd give up! See the preparation came on its own and I also learnt about 'the secret' concept, so there was this great yearning in me, and I knew I didn't want to give up on my dreams! My preparation met the opportunity when I started a marketing course with Alex Jeffreys. I am learning to put a system in place by somebody whos been there, and to give value in everything that I do.
    Also keep researching this invaluable forum for the info and advice you might need, just like you did now.
    Best wishes ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author juancito
    Zig Ziglar offers a model for success:

    "You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want. "

    It boils down to creating value for others and delivering that value to them.
    In the IM world product creators create value, and affiliates are the people that deliver the product. Many can play in both areas of creating and delivering.

    Think of how you can offer enormous value to others, create a product around it, and then JV with some experienced marketers to market the product.
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  • Profile picture of the author 2oursuccess
    Its About creating a few really good products and have a lot of good sales people to promote your products example Mike Filsame, butterfly marketing and Mike Dillard Magnetic Sponsoring I could go on an on but you get the picture,Its like real life you work for some body you live from pay day to pay day you will survive but the real winners are the people you work for they leverage your time for thier profit
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Dean
    I don't know about you, I'm not a millionaire because I am too busy giving things away!
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  • Profile picture of the author rts2271
    I'm not a millionaire because I am married with 4 kids. Also you have to discern the term millionaire.

    Are they a millionaire with a million liquid?
    Are they a millionaire because they've made a million online (Yay I qualify)
    Are they just full of ****?

    The first one in the list is the only real millionaire. If you made a a million dollars but it cost you 750k to do it then you see the problem there.

    If you are confident in yourself and know you can do it, do it. Never quit, never listen to naysayers, never EVER accept anything short of your goal.

    My favorite quote and my personal business motto
    "Everybody fights, nobody quits. If you don't do your job I'll kill you myself"
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  • Profile picture of the author duality32
    So back to the topic. I think alot of people are getting things from this. Thanks to everyone that has responded. I took notes and did alot of thinking and realized that it CAN be simple, and be done. Now it doesn't seem as frustrating.
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  • Profile picture of the author Preben Frenning
    I'll just sum it all up in one sentence:
    "Make big promises; Overdeliver"
    - Seth Godin

    If you apply that to what you do to make money, you will be successful.
    The tip Andrew Cavanagh gave is also a very important aspect of this. - Fokus on one skill, and become an expert. Experts are always in demand. Combined with overdelivering, you will get referrals from satisfied customers.
    Why focus on IM trends?

    CPA! Clickbank! Autoblogging! Twitter! Craigslist! Article marketing! Social bookmarking! SEO! *New kind of SEO*! Offline marketing! Outsourcing! Email marketing! Niche marketing! Ebay! Adsense! Video marketing! Reseller hosting! Blogging! Facebook marketing! Backlinks! *Loophole*! MLM! Coaching! Domaining! Listbuilding! Black hat! PPC! PPV! PTC?!

    Sounds familiar? The trends keep rotating, and everything gets hot some time. What does it do with you to jump in on all these trends? - Nothing. You get stuck with information overload, and never get good at anything. I've been there, and I still am. lol! Don't make the same mistake.
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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    My two big clients are millionaires. They invest in and build companies. I dont see allot of talk about that on WF. Thats probably why.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Adams
    Its funny... one of our warriors just posted this: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...s-so-true.html

    The reason only a few are millionaires is because only a few actually DO IT! Watch the video to fully understand.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      This is my small take on why people are millionairs and others aren't. I don't believe in "they just do it" type of thing, thats a load of crap in my opinion. (I am not saying that there is little work ethic envolved in becoming rich...) Now the people who do become wealthy and rich are the people who actually get it and then know what to do with that information. People can sit down at a computer all day, doing stuff, building sites, making a business but if they don't actually get it then they are screwed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fallen_Angel
    Too many variables to answer that question.
    1) way 99.9% of people view and think about money
    2)lack of plan and or lack of action on a plan
    3)if you always do what you have always done you will always get what you always got
    4)poor market research
    5)lack of perserverance
    6)expectation of overnight magic money
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  • Profile picture of the author BenAgan
    Good question. I have always taken the Kiyosaki approach to business - you have to know how you're going to take care of 5 skills. You don't have to master each of them but you need to know enough about them all. The skills he mentions are: Finance, Communications (sales & marketing), Systems, Product and Legal. You also need to understand how management, teamwork and leadership work but those are skills that apply to all levels and aspects of your business.

    Currently I'm working on the Communications aspect - that's the one I'd choose to be a master of first, followed by systems and then finance. Product is contingent and legal I'll leave to the lawyers, but I'll still be conversant in it nonetheless.

    So, the reason I'm not a millionaire? I'm going to be, but I'm playing the long game, not the short one. It's the quickest way there in my opinion, and I'll be ale to hold on to it if I do it the right way.

    I believe all of those stages apply to online business too. I think too many IM lack the financial literacy and experience to manage their cashflow and capital.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaycee_online
    Hi Duality32

    I agree with Stede and disagree with you on this one. o)

    All the best-selling products in every niche that there is and ever has been - whether on or off the line - is because someone has come clean with what they know, spilled the beans, and others have recognised that this is the real deal, and have bought into it, encouraging others to do so too.

    'Kiss and tell' bios? True Hollywood stories? Cookbooks? Training manuals? Self-development courses? some, but not all, things are so popular, and remain so, when it becomes known that it works - that people can learn from it.

    People are honest when they learn something they didn't know before and nearly always thank the person who taught them.

    Now directly in response to your comment (paraphrased) that "99% of online gurus keep their secrets to themselves," I can only say that in my opinion 100% of fake gurus lie about what they know and sell you some re-hashed kidney beans they were duped into buying themselves in the first place!


    The real gurus are called gurus by their real mentees. These are the people who have recognised what the wiser teacher has to offer, have heard testimonies of those who have genuinely learned something, and who have chosen to follow that mentor and accept that what he teaches is worthy to put into practice.

    These real gurus don't need to sell Average Joe a line, because the truth is good enough. The truth is what has brought in his millions. And if he doesn't continue to tell the truth those millions will start to reduce.

    Is this a contradiction on the 'selling the magic button' fiasco? No, I genuinely don't believe so. Some of the products we buy from 'fast-food hypermarkets' are genuinely good, but it's a bit like a teacher just leaving textbooks out on his desk: if a student stops by and reads it, all well and good, but where is the lesson plan? What is the correct interpretation of what he read? How is he supposed to turn theory into practice?

    A student without a teacher is like a ship without a rudder. Disaster is a-comin', better watch out! The Titanic couldn't stay afloat just on her potential, she hit a barrier, and it took her down - down, down, down. All the way down. Sad.

    Don't sink because you are not looking carefully at where you are going, and have no idea about what is really beneath the surface. Don't be too big to turn around.

    So there are two things to differentiate:

    1. Have you found a true mentor?
    2. Are you a genuine mentee?

    When that combination is correct, boundaries get shifted and newer and greater things take shape.

    Over to you.

    The bible says (I love to quote the Bible as it is a great wise book from a great teacher, in my opinion): "A disciple (student) is not above his teacher nor a servant above his master. It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master." Matt. 10:24-25

    What "job satisfaction" do you think therre would be if a great teacher could not pass on his knowledge to an avid student? Like in the physical realms of procreation, man's natural instinct is to replicate himself.

    Forget the fake snake-charmers.
    Go find yourself a real teacher - and then learn what he tells you to do. And do it.

    Let me know what you think.

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    There isn't really much that we don't learn from others. There is nothing new under the sun and all things are common to all mankind. Meaning - even if you think yoou're 'going it alone, something is teaching you which has been taught or learned by others.

    I'm straying from my point. Heard of guys like Tony Robbins, Richard Kiyosaki, Dale Carnegie? Of course you have. Those guys and many others teach us what they know how to do to make their living. Ever been around really cagey people? Eventually you're just going to walk away because the conversatio is getting you nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Lee
    I think spending too much time on forums and trying to learn endless info products on the subject of making money online. You may just feel you don't know enough to start. Then you burn out. Sure you may try now and then but you give up after it does not work and then start looking for the next big thing. Meanwhile it may take working on the same system over and over until you get it working. It would take a lot of failure before you get it going right. I think finding the right method that fits you is part of the issue. You need to find something that works for you. People have differnet skills and personality types.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martyn Walker
    The secret to becoming rich is spend less than you earn.

    To become a millionaire is not much of a target. If you bought a £100k house in the UK in 1980 it would be worth $1.45m now (see UK House Prices - Charts and Graphs of How Houses have Increased in Price over the Years).

    Those who understand the true meaning of growth will have everything they need to make a million.

    My favourite quote comes from my long since dead Auntie Gladys, she was an accountant who continued to work well into her 80's. She loved work and donated much of her time and money to charity. As a teenager I asked her how I could become a millionaire. She said "I don't know Martyn, we all become rich in our own way, personally I am working toward my second million as I have been told that's easier than the first!"

    That advice is hard to forget, but she also explained the meaning of growth. I can't do that for you any better than your maths teacher or Albert Bartlett (see ).

    For UK readers my Auntie Gladys, full name Gladys Parish, is responsible for creating the first VAT accounting rules which still make up about 95% of the rules today. You never know who is in your family tree...
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  • Profile picture of the author Diane S
    I've noticed the first to market is normally the winner, and with enough research and testing - noticing consumer trends and acting on them - the winner can keep the lead. Think of Hollywood Video in the USA. They did not keep up with the trend of consumers wanting instant movie downloads. They could have kept Netflix and Redbox from encroaching on their market had they been willing to remake themselves quick enough to meet consumer demand. Think of Barnes & Noble closing so many stores due to not acting on consumer trends in their market. They would have needed to have invented or bought out the top digital delivery systems to stay ahead.
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  • Profile picture of the author eleary
    The mind of a millionaire is definitely different than the average person. The big difference is what they do in their spare time. They don't sit around watching TV - they read business books, they check stats, they network with people who have the same mindset.
    I have heard that 95% of people who get into IM fail. Why? Well in my opinion, a very small percentage ever acts in the first place, and of that percentage, an even smaller percentage continues when something goes wrong......That leaves the 5% of people who make a success out of their business.
    This is true (well maybe not the exact figures - but the concept) of all entrepreneurs. Most people do not want to be an entrepreneur - they don't want the responsibility, the pressure of everything falling in their shoulders. A true entrepreneur has many traits, several of which are belief in himself and what he is doing, perseverance, and focus.....
    A true entrepreneur falls down and gets back up - they can lose it all and get it all back - b/c they have the mindset......
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  • Profile picture of the author garben2011
    Originally Posted by duality32 View Post

    If IM is so easy, as explained in all the landing pages I see and have had advice to make the same kind of page. Why aren't we all rich and rolling in it?
    I'm certainly no millionaire but I think I can at least answer the above question in the context it is framed.

    First, IM is easy if you don't get pulled into all of the crap the MMO ebooks & videos are telling you.

    Second, IM is not so easy at all if you are spending all of your time reading about and researching niches, researching keywords, researching competition, researching whether you should build a blog or normal website, researching which theme to use for your site, researching which method you should use to make money (contextual ads, non-physical affiliate products, physical affiliate products, cpa, site-flipping, membership sites and so on), researching backlink building (understanding what it is, learning how & where to get edu links, how & where to get profile links, how & where to get blog commenting done, how & where to get link wheels, how & where to do social bookmarking and so on), researching squeeze pages (how to build landing pages, how to entice people to sign up for your freebie - which you then research how to make that freebie, researching how to write your follow-up sequence and so on) and researching article marketing (how to write a great title, how to seo the article, how to write a great resource box, how to distribute your articles and so on).... I think that should illustrate the point. Remember, everything will have different products telling you basically the same thing but at the same time each will also tell you something kind of different.

    This stuff used to be very easy for me at one time. I just focused on making some great sites sharing my ideas with the world, finding like-minded people who shared my interests, connecting with those people and so on.

    Then in an effort to improve my results I stumbled into the MMO world.

    If you follow what those products from the landing pages you mentioned are telling you to do... you will find yourself continually chasing one thing after another. It never ends. There will always be something else. Right now, for example, I bet you will soon see a wave of products coming out telling you they have the answer you need to handle the latest Google update. You can defeat the Panda or whatever. And after this, there will be something else and then something else after that.

    Simplify. That is the only thing I got from all of this time I have spent testing the things these MMO products say. I am throwing it all out and getting back to what actually worked.

    So, I think this is why those products don't work for you, me and many others. They are not complete. Each one just presents a doorway to another thing. And another thing. You can get lost in there for a long time. Trust me on that.

    Don't look to someone else to give you the answer of what strengths you have that you can share with the world. You already know. But trying to get that answer from someone else from a MMO product... you will be searching for a long long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author LargeBenjamin
    Its not easy, its the same as anything else, it requires hard work, skills, knowledge and persistence. Anyone who thinks they are going to be a millionare simply by spending 37$ on an ebook and writing a few articles is a damned fool.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlanT
    I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I've seen too many people looking for a cookie-cutter system where they can make a million overnight with no product, no list, no website, and no brains.

    As many on this thread have said, success takes work. And the bigger successes take even more work.

    The best that anyone can do for you is to point you in the right direction, give you the benefit of their experience, and offer some suggestions. What works for them may or may not work for you, but at least it's a starting point.

    Each person must learn for themselves what truly works for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhola badshah
    To become Millionaire you have to read a sentence in my signature LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    Making money with IM isnt that easy unless you have a solid plan. The reason why we arent all millionaires is because we do have some offline responsabilities and work to do and its not everyone that has the chance to work on their IM business as much as they would hope!
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