Just how many Keywords do you typically use on a website???

37 replies
Hey Warriors,

Just trying to get a feel for Keyword use....

Now, I realise that this is a subjective question, but just how
many Keywords and Long Tail Keywords do you use on your websites?

Regards

Greg
#keywords #typically #website
  • Profile picture of the author Hamish Jones
    Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

    Hey Warriors,

    Just trying to get a feel for Keyword use....

    Now, I realise that this is a subjective question, but just how
    many Keywords and Long Tail Keywords do you use on your websites?

    Regards

    Greg
    Do you mean:

    "How many times do you use a phrase, or how many different keyword phrases do you use?"

    I do my keyword research before writing any content so that I know what phrases need to be used, and then i make sure to use it if it fits. I won't sacrifice quality though just to stuff the phrase in a few more times.

    I may use use a few different long tail keywords if they fit but again I won't sacrifice quality for phrases,
    Signature
    Best Business Deals - The World's Most Customer Focused Telecommunications Company. Servicing Customers in Australia, Canada and the USA.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[192578].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Hey Hamish,

      Ok as well as that:

      How many keywords do you use in your Meta tags and H1 and H2
      titles?

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[192590].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author money2spare
    Banned
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[192635].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Originally Posted by money2spare View Post

      You should aim for keyword density
      around 2-3%. You might want to use 2 or 3 main keyword phrases
      to get good search engine listings.

      Thanks money2spare,

      That's what I've read, but there's been a lot of talk lately
      about using long tail keywords a lot more.

      So I was wondering what the status quo is right now?

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[192791].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author sparrow
        you focus on one keyword per page

        this is what works

        then your content should flow without worrying about density, the search engines today are to smart for this percentage crap

        for instance if your page is about pasta Google will know your talking about pasta if you start using ziti, macaroni etc... this is what is needed in todays content

        what everyone is talking about is last years and before's techniques so this is what I mean about just let the content flow and forget about the keyword percentages

        Ed
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[192796].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    In terms of one word keywords, thousands like {Diet, Calcium, Protein}

    In terms of very long tail keyphrases there are millions of combinations like
    {Which DIET pills are best for weight loss}
    {Do CALCIUM supplements help prevent osteoporosis}
    {What PROTEIN shakes build muscle mass the fastest}
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[192812].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author lstoops
    I agree with Ed.

    Use one (long tail) keyword phrase per page or post. Just make sure your keyword is in your title and don't worry about the rest.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[192954].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author milan
    One keyword phrase per page (not per site). (or 2-3 very very similar keyword phrases)
    Most of the time I use one keyword phrase for the home page as well. Depending on the site and your SEO strategies you might want to use up to 3 phrases for the home page.

    Search for the SILO Site Structure. It's good if you plan to have more than a couple of pages on your site.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[193132].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Thanks for all the replies....

      Does Google pay that much attention to the Meta Tags etc?

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[193260].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
        Hey guys,

        I did ask this question earlier and would really like to hear
        your thoughts.....

        How many keywords do you use in your Meta tags and H1 and H2
        titles?

        Regards

        Greg
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195134].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author tamtu
          Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

          Hey guys,

          I did ask this question earlier and would really like to hear
          your thoughts.....

          How many keywords do you use in your Meta tags and H1 and H2
          titles?

          Regards

          Greg
          I would also like to learn this, will anybody with experience please help us.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195349].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author milan
          Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

          Hey guys,

          I did ask this question earlier and would really like to hear
          your thoughts.....

          How many keywords do you use in your Meta tags and H1 and H2
          titles?

          Regards

          Greg
          That's the same question as the original one you started this thread with.

          If somebody is targeting 1 (or 3) keywords per page, it's the very same phrase that's going to be used in the title tag and H1, H2 tags, description tag in the content (and other less important tags).
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195471].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
            Generally speaking one long tail keyword phrase per page with the content of that page, file names etc similar to that keyword phrase.

            And as many pages like that as possible being added constantly.

            It helps if you have a page with the shorter keyword phrase that all these longer tail keyword phrase pages link to.

            Even if you're getting just 1-10 hits a day from each page when you start getting 300+ pages that's a TON of targeted traffic.

            Kindest regards,
            Andrew Cavanagh
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195524].message }}
  • It looks like your <title> tag is vitally important. Make sure the keyword(s) you want to rank for are in the first four words of your title tag.

    Also, make sure you remember to put <alt> and <title> tags on all your images. Clickable links can have a <title> tag, too. Use 'em. They work!
    Signature
    "The will to prepare to win is more important than the will to win." -- misquoting Coach Vince Lombardi
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195357].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author DavidO
    I've had good results using just one or at most two related main keywords on the same page. Use a short title with the main keywords. Sometimes it's possible to work in two related keywords in the title but don't add a lot of extra words to do it.

    As for the rest of the page just write good natural content without trying to include a big list of researched keywords. That's going to sacrifice quality and will not make a big SEO impact anyway. But vary your lingo, use synonyms and be sure to discuss closely-related issues.

    By doing this your content is going to naturally include scores of longtail phrases and associated keywords. I frequently check my "Came from" or "referral" logs and I'm always amazed at the number and variety of longtail phrases my visitors find me with (and often on the first page of the search engines).

    Many of these phrases are ones that I've never thought of nor seen appear in keyword tools. Just goes to show that a lot of keyword research is bogus.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195366].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Originally Posted by DavidO View Post

      I've had good results using just one or
      at most two related main keywords on the same page. Use a short
      title with the main keywords. Sometimes it's possible to work
      in two related keywords in the title but don't add a lot of extra
      words to do it.

      As for the rest of the page just write good natural content without
      trying to include a big list of researched keywords. That's going
      to sacrifice quality and will not make a big SEO impact anyway.
      But vary your lingo, use synonyms and be sure to discuss closely-related
      issues.

      By doing this your content is going to naturally include scores
      of longtail phrases and associated keywords. I frequently check
      my "Came from" or "referral" logs and I'm always amazed at the
      number and variety of longtail phrases my visitors find me with
      (and often on the first page of the search engines).

      Many of these phrases are ones that I've never thought of nor
      seen appear in keyword tools. Just goes to show that a lot of
      keyword research is bogus.
      Hey David,

      So what you're saying is that the title can be several related
      keywords?

      If that's the case it certainly has cleared up a misconception
      that I had about the title actually being a "meaningful sentence".

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195522].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Hamish Jones
    I'd heard somewhere that Meta tags were becoming less important.
    Signature
    Best Business Deals - The World's Most Customer Focused Telecommunications Company. Servicing Customers in Australia, Canada and the USA.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195367].message }}
    • Originally Posted by Hamish Jones View Post

      I'd heard somewhere that Meta tags were becoming less important.
      Keyword meta tags in the <head> portion of your page are certainly discounted a lot more. However, your <title> tag is the #1 recommended SEO step you can take: SEOmoz | Google Search Engine Ranking Factors
      Signature
      "The will to prepare to win is more important than the will to win." -- misquoting Coach Vince Lombardi
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195371].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
        Originally Posted by Vince Runza Online View Post

        Keyword meta tags in the <head>
        portion of your page are certainly discounted a lot more. However,
        your <title> tag is the #1 recommended SEO step you can take:
        SEOmoz
        | Google Search Engine Ranking Factors
        Thanks for your input Vince,

        You've just confirmed the point made about Meta tags...

        Regards

        Greg
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195527].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Originally Posted by Hamish Jones View Post

      I'd heard somewhere that Meta tags
      were becoming less important.

      Hey hamish,

      Just had a meeting where i was told categorically that the Meta
      tag was not being used by Google....

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195525].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
        The meta description is still vitally important because in many cases that description is what surfers will see in their Google and Yahoo search results.

        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh

        Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

        Hey hamish,

        Just had a meeting where i was told categorically that the Meta
        tag was not being used by Google....

        Regards

        Greg
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195734].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author greff
    The <title> tag should be different for each page on your site.

    The <description> tag should also be different on each page of your site.

    These are the only to META tags that Google considers. The <title> tells Google what the page is about. The <description> will most usually be what people see in the search results.

    I only design for Google. I don't have time to worry about the other engines that, in my opinion, pretty much follow Google's lead eventually anyway.

    Finding good key phrases can be a chore, but the results can be great. You really need to burrow down to find longtail key phrases. It takes considerable time and effort to find good ones. It's both an art and a science.

    For most people, I recommend they just write good content without worrying much about keyword content in the page. The keywords will naturally be included if there is enough text.

    Where your keywords are located on the pages is important. We call that "proximity". Try to put the keywords near or at the beginning of the text on the page. You can also put a nice keyword headline for the text in <h2> tags if you already have a major key phrase in the <h1> tag.

    It's not easy, guys. But it can be worth the effort.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195443].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    I disagree with just about everything on this page, except the title tag, which is NOT a meta tag.

    Let's get one thing straight, and it is factual and beyond debate: EVERY WORD ON YOUR PAGE IS A KEYWORD! The exceptions are stop words, such as the, in, an, a, but, to, etc.

    There's no <keyword> tag on the pages (not counting met tags), so Google doesn't know what the keywords are for a page. Instead, it parses the entire page, putting all words contained into a "text vector".

    This means every word you put on a page can interact with every other word to create limitless combinations of keyword phrases.

    Here's what I do, and have done for 12 years: When you do your keyword research, you break your keywords into 3 categories:

    Prime - About 12-30 of the BEST keywords, acccording to my research - I want to "pound away" on these. I want to use them time and time again, over and over, every where I can put them.

    Secondary - About 100 (or so) of the next best keywords.

    Leftovers - These are keywords that seem to have some value, but aren't really worth focusing on.

    I will only use one or two prime keywords per page, in all the "usual" SEO places, and this most of us will agree on.

    I'l then use as many secondary keywords as I can add to a page and still have it read naturally.

    For left over keywords, I try to get any number of them onto the pages, using any number of methods.

    This will automatically take care of LSI, if done correctly.

    The truth is, about 1/2 of all search queries are "one of a kind", unique, searches and don't use "keyword phrases" we'll find in our research. And half of all searches, Google struggles to come up with results that are accurate.

    If your pages use many different keyword phrases, then you are more likely to rank high for any obscure searches that take place, and again, these obscure searches make up about 50% of all searches.

    In reality, keywords aren't on your pages, they are what is entered into Google(SEs). Google then tries to find pages with the words that match the keywords entered.

    And since every word has a chance to draw traffic, I suggest using as many keywords on pages as possible, while maintaining the integrity of the page.

    Those that say focus on one keyword are doing two things:
    1. Saying LSI doesn't exist.

    2. Discount the potential of unique search terms.

    Here's my over-simplified SEO strategy I've used for 12 years:
    Put as many words on as many pages as possible. Link to those pages.

    This is how you get TRAFFIC. If you want rankings, optimize for one keyword phrase. If you want traffic, use as many words as possible.
    Signature
    Discover the fastest and easiest ways to create your own valuable products.
    Tons of FREE Public Domain content you can use to make your own content, PLR, digital and POD products.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195573].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author milan
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Those that say focus on one keyword are doing two things:
      1. Saying LSI doesn't exist.

      2. Discount the potential of unique search terms.
      I'll not dissagree (much lol). But the keyword there you might've taken too lightly is focus.

      One of the worst things you can do in marketing in general do is try to be everything to everybody. In our case: make a page/site that is supposed to target different things. Focusing your title text, description, domain name, means also more clicks to your page, and better conversions.

      LSI can help if you focus as well. When people search for "car" Google might also show your pages about "cars" and "automobile" because it knows these are very related. In fact, I've just typed in "automobile" to Google, and the search result no. 4 (nadaguides.com) doesn't have the word automobile anywhere on that page. Still, out of 128,000,000 search results that page is so relevant.

      You're absolutely right about the power of unique search terms. They are powerful combined, but focusing on that is often not possible, or not the time best spent. IMO it's better to have one or two points of focus. If you write good content this extra traffic will come naturally.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195796].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
        Hey Milan,

        Good points as well....

        One of the worst things you can do in marketing in general
        do is try to be everything to everybody.


        This point in particular is a huge stumbling block to many, not
        only in the IM space.

        Regards

        Greg
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195841].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Do you guys create the homepage using the broad term for your niche and the internal pages using the longtail keywords? So let's say for example, you target "web design." Do you setup the home page with general content about web design? Then for the internal pages you can target "web design tutorials, web design themes, web design tips, etc..? Of course you won't rank for "web design" at first, but in the long run you will build up juice for it by using the long tail keywords in your internal pages.
        Signature

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195844].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
          Kurt,

          How do you figure out the competing pages? I use Keyword Elite and I use the "(allintitle:"keyword")" to see what my competition is for that keyword. Is that the "true" measure of the competition or should I just use number that is generated by Google when you do search in quotes only ("keyword")?
          Signature

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195866].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Kurt
            Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

            Kurt,

            How do you figure out the competing pages? I use Keyword Elite and I use the "(allintitle:"keyword")" to see what my competition is for that keyword. Is that the "true" measure of the competition or should I just use number that is generated by Google when you do search in quotes only ("keyword")?
            This is a good way...Far better than either with or without quotes.

            However, I use the intitle, inbody, inanchor commands in combination.

            This will return only pages that contain the keyword phrase in ALL three places: page title, in the body text and in a text link.

            As Milan pointed out concerning LSI (cars and automobiles), even this isn't entirely accurate, but I find it to be the most accurate.

            A lot depends on my goals and revenue streams...If a site gets revenue from AdSense, I tend to prefer shear traffic numbers. If I'm selling my own product, I like value and competition a little more.

            And if you're selling something, either your own, or as an affiliate, you also want to consider "psychographic" keywords. Psychographics are what a person is thinking about at the exact moment they do something., in this case filling out a search box.

            Here's some psychographic keywords you should always scatter throughout your optimization, to sprinkle in, and mix and match with your "regular" niche related keywords:

            buy
            sell
            sale
            discount
            budget
            coupon
            cheap

            Why are these called psychographic jkeywords? Because they tell you that the searcher is thinking about BUYING at the exact moment they fill in the keyword box.

            If someone is searching for "cheap viagra", they are looking to buy. On the other hand, if they are searching for only "viagra", they could be buying, or they could be doing a research paper for college, or just looking up some info on the pills they already purchased at their doctor's office.

            Again, I have the three keywords lists above (prime, secondary, left overs), all with some value. Put I have a standard list of psychographic keywords (buy, sale, cheap, etc) that I use to sprinkle in with my niche related keywords.
            Signature
            Discover the fastest and easiest ways to create your own valuable products.
            Tons of FREE Public Domain content you can use to make your own content, PLR, digital and POD products.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195908].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
              Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

              This is a good way...Far better than either
              with or without quotes.

              However, I use the intitle, inbody, inanchor commands in combination.

              This will return only pages that contain the keyword phrase in
              ALL three places: page title, in the body text and in a text
              link.

              As Milan pointed out concerning LSI (cars and automobiles), even
              this isn't entirely accurate, but I find it to be the most accurate.

              A lot depends on my goals and revenue streams...If a site gets
              revenue from AdSense, I tend to prefer shear traffic numbers.
              If I'm selling my own product, I like value and competition a
              little more.

              And if you're selling something, either your own, or as an affiliate,
              you also want to consider "psychographic" keywords. Psychographics
              are what a person is thinking about at the exact moment they
              do something., in this case filling out a search box.

              Here's some psychographic keywords you should always scatter
              throughout your optimization, to sprinkle in, and mix and match
              with your "regular" niche related keywords:

              buy
              sell
              sale
              discount
              budget
              coupon
              cheap

              Why are these called psychographic jkeywords? Because they tell
              you that the searcher is thinking about BUYING at the exact moment
              they fill in the keyword box.

              If someone is searching for "cheap viagra", they are looking
              to buy. On the other hand, if they are searching for only "viagra",
              they could be buying, or they could be doing a research paper
              for college, or just looking up some info on the pills they already
              purchased at their doctor's office.

              Again, I have the three keywords lists above (prime, secondary,
              left overs), all with some value. Put I have a standard list
              of psychographic keywords (buy, sale, cheap, etc) that I use
              to sprinkle in with my niche related keywords.

              Hey Kurt,

              The paragraphs describing psychographic keywords are fascinating.
              I must admit that I have never heard of that term before. Time
              to do some research on that topic.

              In some sense, it kind of creates the right environment to "make
              the sale", if you get my drift.....

              Regards

              Greg
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[196627].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Kurt
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          Do you guys create the homepage using the broad term for your niche and the internal pages using the longtail keywords? So let's say for example, you target "web design." Do you setup the home page with general content about web design? Then for the internal pages you can target "web design tutorials, web design themes, web design tips, etc..? Of course you won't rank for "web design" at first, but in the long run you will build up juice for it by using the long tail keywords in your internal pages.
          I don't use the phrase "long tail" too often...

          Generally, I optimize the homepage for the "best" 1-2-3 general keywords found in my "best" list.

          The home page will link to pages "focused" on the rest of the best.

          The rest of the pages will use the "best" and "secondary" keywords for general optimization. These pages will use a link structure to send link juice to my "best" pages.

          A lot of times, you just want to create pages to send link juice and traffic to your "best" pages.

          Let's say you have a site with 500 pages. You should have 1 home page, plus about 15-40 pages that are your focus. the other 450 or so pages should be used to send link juice and traffic to the 15-40 pages that matter.

          Again, the key isn't to get so wrapped up in being perfect. Instead look to be PRODUCTIVE.

          If something doesn't work, try something else next time.
          Signature
          Discover the fastest and easiest ways to create your own valuable products.
          Tons of FREE Public Domain content you can use to make your own content, PLR, digital and POD products.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195879].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    Kurt, that is an awesome post. I too was about to reply that I focus on one keyword per content page...which is true. But what you're describing is my overall strategy, so I suppose I don't actually just focus on the one keyword as I do use LSI and optimize in a similar way to what you describe.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195580].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Hey Kurt,

      That is by far the best explanation that I've heard and read
      about in ages....Thanks for taking the time to lay it out so
      clearly.....

      The thing that I find distressing in life (generally speaking)
      is that so many people just give glib answers to questions. They
      have already forgotten most of what others still have to learn.

      Present company excluded of course.....

      I was having lunch with Francois (also a Warrior). We discussed
      some of these issues and concluded that newbies/intermediate
      marketers actually struggle with interpreting data.

      Such as what you talked about here:

      Here's what I do, and have done for 12 years: When you do
      your
      keyword research, you break your keywords into 3 categories:

      Prime - About 12-30 of the BEST keywords, acccording to my research
      - I want to "pound away" on these. I want to use them time and
      time again, over and over, every where I can put them.

      Secondary - About 100 (or so) of the next best keywords.

      Leftovers - These are keywords that seem to have some value,
      but aren't really worth focusing on.

      I will only use one or two prime keywords per page, in all the
      "usual" SEO places, and this most of us will agree on.

      I'l then use as many secondary keywords as I can add to a page
      and still have it read naturally.

      For left over keywords, I try to get any number of them onto
      the pages, using any number of methods.


      What is your take on this issue????

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195694].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Hi Greg,

    "Best" is a relative term, and each person needs to decide what is best for themselves.

    There are 3 things that determine the value of a keyword:
    Demand (number of searches)
    Supply (number of competiting sites)
    Value (Determined by the number of advertisors, and/or the amount paid for PPC)
    A newer person should probably concentrate on keywords/phrases with lower competition (supply), compared to a more experience person, who should be more inclined to focus on more competitive, higher traffic, higher paying keywords.

    Even if you go for low competitio keywords, they must still have some searches and value.

    The key is to use one system, such as word tracker or nichebot, or any other resource and stick with it. You can't compare numbers from different sources. I prefer nichebot.

    A person has to start somewhere, and as Gen. Patton said, "A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow". So, use the KEI when first starting out. KEI is far from perfect, but you have to start somewhere. If you are really weak on SEO, run the keywords through my Inz Tuel to find the keywords with the weakest SEO comeptition.

    Divide the list into the 3 groups above, (prime, secondary, leftovers) based on the research, until you have a list of about 500 keywords.

    Once you start getting some success, you use your own real life-results as your prime-secondary keywords. Sometimes this will match your initial research pretty well, other times it won't.
    Signature
    Discover the fastest and easiest ways to create your own valuable products.
    Tons of FREE Public Domain content you can use to make your own content, PLR, digital and POD products.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195751].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      Hi Greg,

      "Best" is a relative term, and each person needs to decide
      what is best for themselves.


      There are 3 things that determine the value of a keyword:
      Demand (number of searches)
      Supply (number of competiting sites)
      Value (Determined by the number of advertisors, and/or the amount
      paid for PPC)
      A newer person should probably concentrate on keywords/phrases
      with lower competition (supply), compared to a more experience
      person, who should be more inclined to focus on more competitive,
      higher traffic, higher paying keywords.

      Even if you go for low competitio keywords, they must still have
      some searches and value.

      The key is to use one system, such as word tracker or nichebot,
      or any other resource and stick with it. You can't compare numbers
      from different sources. I prefer nichebot.

      A person has to start somewhere, and as Gen. Patton said, "A
      good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow". So,
      use the KEI when first starting out. KEI is far from perfect,
      but you have to start somewhere. If you are really weak on SEO,
      run the keywords through my Inz Tuel to find the keywords with
      the weakest SEO comeptition.

      Divide the list into the 3 groups above, (prime, secondary, leftovers)
      based on the research, until you have a list of about 500 keywords.

      Once you start getting some success, you use your own real life-results
      as your prime-secondary keywords. Sometimes this will match your
      initial research pretty well, other times it won't.

      Hey Kurt,

      The Best was my own opinion...LOL...

      You've just nailed another issue on the head - In the past, I've
      spent so much time running around using so many research tools
      and actually getting nowhere.

      I eventually purchased Keyword Elite and focus on those results
      only.

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195830].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

        Hey Kurt,

        The Best was my own opinion...LOL...

        You've just nailed another issue on the head - In the past, I've
        spent so much time running around using so many research tools
        and actually getting nowhere.

        I eventually purchased Keyword Elite and focus on those results
        only.

        Regards

        Greg
        Hi Greg..

        You HAVE TO focus on one resource. You can't compare stats between two, or you'll get skewed results.
        Signature
        Discover the fastest and easiest ways to create your own valuable products.
        Tons of FREE Public Domain content you can use to make your own content, PLR, digital and POD products.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195856].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Barbara Eyre
        A lot of the norms fly out of the window when it comes to sites with stores on them. Your home page will be jammed with keywords because you want to be able to tell your visitors about all the major categories and highlight some products.

        You have for example: western wear, cowboy chaps, cowboy jackets, western gun leather, gun belts, (etc etc) ... I have a site where I can easily put up 50+ keywords/phrases in the meta keyword section alone and they are all HIGHLY searched terms and are all pinpoint relative to the page (and site) at hand.

        Even when you whittle down to category pages and sub-category pages, you can still have a buttload of important keyword/phrases. Same goes for the individual product pages.

        It's nearly impossible to do the "one keyword/phrase per page" bit in a store. Sometimes you can, many times you can't.

        But I agree with Kurt - I do better (rank and traffic) when I write the page and plan my keyword density accordingly ... because there may be many "master" and "slave" keywords, all important to the subject of the page ...

        You just never know how your site/page will be found in the search engines. You have to plan for the highly searched terms and the oddity ones also.

        And like he said, the search engines seem to take "synonyms" into consideration (his "car" and "automobile" example). I've seen that a lot in my stats programs.

        Yes, the search engines do use the meta description tag - not for keyword relavancy as much as it is the text you see in the search results page that describes the site/page that is listed. It's the meta keyword tag that the SEs focus little on due to previous keyword stuffing idiots abusing this section of the page. So the search engines rely on the content of the page to tell it what the page is about (and of course the title tag too).

        I'm not a SEO expert by any means, but these are the observations I've noticed on my sites and others for ranking well and having lasting staying power in ranking for keywords.

        On a side note, I do have one site where I do the one keyword/phrase per page because it can be done easily for that niche. It's not a store, but mostly just information. It just boils down to the type of site you have as to what kind of keyword optimization strategy you can use. There is no "one-size-fits-all" when it comes to this stuff, unfortunately.

        Clear as mudd? :rolleyes: hehe
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195902].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mbealmear
    I usually use the keyowords in the title and then again every 100 words or so but I would not stress about it too much. Having it in the title is the main thing. If you use your keyowrds too many times this can be a turn off to search engines
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195911].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
      Hey Barbara,

      The mud is beginning to get clearer....thanks for your post...

      Regards

      Greg
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[195965].message }}

Trending Topics