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Hello, warriors

Let's say I make a post on a blog then submit the same post to article directories, along with a link to this post. Is is good? Or bad ? Should I rewrite the content for each directory?

Thank you!
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  • If it's YOUR blog, and that is where your monetization is (or where your funnel begins) then this could be good. It's definitely not bad, unless you have the article/blog post elsewhere on your site.

    I have proof if you need it.

    AL
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    • So if I send the same content (the content of a specific post on my blog) it's bad?
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  • Question:

    what if SEs will index the article directories first? Will they penalize me for dupe content?

    Allen, YES, it's my blog and i'm trying to get some backlinks using articles.

    Thanks,
  • Just a quick partly related question here. What if you were to embed an iframe of a page containing an article you've written that's posted on another site? How would google view that? Providing there's the appropriate keywords on that page itself outside of the iframe, would it appear in the search engine?
  • Glenn.

    I believe that all the spider would see is a line of html iframe code so it should make any difference. I think.

    AL
  • I don't post the same content twice on my website

    I was going to distribute it to other websites (other domain, other ip, etc)
  • OK so if I have one article and maybe three different titles, submit them to 100 different article directories, that wont be duplicate content?
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    • Peter,

      Then you should be good to go.

      SeoPete,

      That's correct...and you don't even have to change the title if you don't want to.

      AL
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  • Ok then.

    Thanks for helping!
  • Good point Chris, and maybe I should make a point as to where I stand. My responses above were simply asnwering questions. I don't necessarily agree 100% with the strategies.

    AL
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    • Other suggestions?
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  • Duplicate content is a myth. Allen has explained it regarding having the same content on your own site.

    I just went into Google and I typed in the name of one of my articles and it is showing up on page 1, 2 and 3 for different sites including mine.

    I put it in "" and you get pages of the same article, some in English and from my site it being translated into a number of languages. You also have it showing on the website and sitemap.

    Draw your own conclusion, about whether articles are put into the serps more than once.
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    • I think it's a "no brainer" to use your hard work and written content on your own site.

      If you want fast traffic, then use EZA, and others in addition to posting to your own.

      But if you are willing to wait a while, posting to your own sites exclusively will pay dividends in the "long haul".

      EZA, and many other directories would prefer to have exclusive content on their own site, who wouldn't?

      But the reality is you should never work providing content for someone else directory, your sites should always be the top priority.

      Best!
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  • Sorry Eric, I respect your opinions, but you say that EZA is fantastic for fast traffic, then you go on to say you should never provide content for another directory.

    I don't understand.

    If you are not submitting articles elsewhere, then it's not article marketing.

    AL
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    • Hi AL

      You should never work to provide "exclusive" content to any site but your own...

      Meaning- writing for EZA while leaving your own site lacking in content.

      Writing for EZA and other directories is good for traffic, but not utilizing the content on your own site as well would be a mistake.

      Submit content to directories, only in addition to providing for your own sites.

      Just provide for your sites first.

      Best!
  • DUPLICATE CONTENT IN THEORY :

    Duplicate Content is a substantial block of text that is identical to another block of text from domains and other sources.
    The worst case of duplicate content is when domains have identical text which is being used to manipulate Search Engine Rankings to gain traffic.

    But if duplicate content is across two sites which are in different languages then this is not deemed as duplicate content. (for example; one in French & one in English.
    But to ensure this make sure the domain name is country specific; .de for Germany, .fr for France and .ca for Canada.
    If you want to target a specific country only then you can use the Geographic Country Tool.
    To do this:
    1. Sign into Google Wemaster Tools with your Google Account
    2. Click the URL for the site you want.
    3. Click Tools, and then Set Geographic Target.
    4. Select Associate a Geographic Location with Site.
    5. Select the geographic information that applies to your site's target audience, and click Save.
    Note: You can edit the geographic target information for your site anytime. Click Edit and update the information as needed.

    The term "Duplicate Content Penalty" is an inappropriate name because penalties in Search Engine Rankings are actually points which are deducted from a page.
    Duplicate Content is not penalised, it is simply filtered out.

    There are Four Types of Duplicate Content.

    1. Websites with Identical Pages : These pages will be considered as duplicates and will be treated as spam and will be filtered out.
    Affiliates which use Landing Pages are extremely vulnerable to being treated as spam and will be filtered out if the content is duplicate.

    2. Scraped Content : Is taking content from a website and making it look different and then using it on blogs, again this is treated as duplicate content.

    3. E-Commerce Product Descriptions : Manufacturers use descriptions to describe their products but other re-sellers of the same product will use the same manufacturers descriptions and again this will be classed as spam.

    4. Distribution of Articles :
    Now if you publish an article which in turn gets copied and put out all over the internet.
    You would think this was a good thing, but not necessarily for all the sites that feature the same article.
    Although this type of duplicate content can be difficult because both Yahoo and MSN will determine the source of the original article, but will allow the content to be relevant in search results, Google on the other hand may not.

    Search Engine Robots go over a website, reads the pages and stores the information in the database.

    Next it compares this information to other findings in it's database and determines whether or not the website has duplicate content which depends on the overall relevancy score of a website.

    It will Filter out any pages or websites which qualify as spam.

    Unfortunately if Your pages are not spam but have similar content then these still may be regarded as spam

    If you are going to sell PLR Material whether it's software or ebooks then again be wary of duplicate content.

    This is because you are probably not the only person trying to market these products for profitable gains.

    The Title of the product may have to remain the same but the Website, Landing Page should be re-written in your own words with new keyword phrases sourced by your own research.

    A helpful Free Tool to check for duplicate content on Websites and Landing Pages can be found here Duplicate Content.Net

    This tool compares two web pages, all you do is type in the two URL's and press Check.

    What can I do If my Site or Pages have been Copied?

    For one thing you are going to need to know who else and what sites have copied your content without your permission.

    The recommended Tool for this can be at www.Copyscape.com
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    • Keep it simple.

      zeurois:

      Don't complicate the process for yourself. Allen runs an article directory - and he is giving you facts. Don't keep looking for more problems.

      greendesert - you are complicating something that is quite simple. When you are writing and submitting your OWN articles - duplicate content penalties do not apply.

      The duplicate content we refer to in relation to websites is that defined by google with their "duplicate content penalty". It does not mean everything that "is the same". This is perhaps the worst named "SEO problem" in existence because it is so often over-interpreted. There is also ample evidence that "like" pages which contain a properly credited article are not "filtered out" these days.

      If you are repeating info on your site by having identical pages of content - which was begun when adsense was very profitable - and then was penalized by google.....that is duplicate content. Due to that one practice, google applied what they called a "duplicate content penalty".
      Has nothing to do with article writing.

      Look up any medical condition or pet health site and you will find the exact same article on multiple sites on the first page of results - and no penalties at all. The only site owners who worry about this are new article writers - because those of us who've been doing this for a while know there isn't a problem.

      I can write an article, put in on my site and AFTER (or before, if I choose) it indexes I can submit it to 2-3 article directories - other site owners might pick it up and display it (with my resource box) on their site ---and ALL of those articles could show up on the first page or two of google search results.

      When you use "never" or "always" there are exceptions. If you can write an original article for a high end authority site, blog or directory - and include your link - it can be an excellent thing to do. Clearly this is only possible if you are writing quality content that will interest another site owner - but by giving him exclusive rights you can create valuable one way links.

      The bottom line for "duplicate content" is simply if you are writing articles - write, publish them on your sites, submit them - and then start another article.


      kay
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  • Here is the Google Official guide to Duplicate Content.

    Duplicate content - Webmaster Help Center

    Generally though if you want to place the same content on your own site, say a regular post, then a printer friendly version, then use the robots txt option to not use that printer friendly version..

    With regard to content on other sites, Google will generally list the one it feels most relative to the seach term that is entered by the browser.

    Another thing to consider is to break up your articles.. Part one goes on the article directory, part two on your blog.

    That way you will benefit more from clicks to your site from the people who read part 1. You can always include a free download of part one in a zip format for people coming to your blog direct

    All the best

    Martin
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    • FYI - Some of the higher end article directories are beginning to decline the part I/part II model. They feel that you should be giving the readers the answer in the article and not coaxing them to your own website.

      I do not agree with this one and do not enforce it with my own websites(yet), but that's just the way things are going right now.

      AL
  • Good point Allen


    One way around this is to write 2 articles, say you have 7 Sure Fire Techniques for Losing 14lbs in 7 days.

    You could write article one called:
    3 Smoking Ways to 14lb Fatloss in 14 days

    Then write article 2 called: 4 More Ways to Fast Fatloss.

    Put article one on the article directory, then article 2 on your blog. They compliment one another but do not suggest leaving out content on article one

    Hope that helps?

    Martin
  • Don't know if this helps, but I try to post every day to my blog. I then take what I think are the best posts of the week and rewrite them slightly. Then I post those to article directories. This gives me a system where I am always posting to my blog first and article directories the following week. I've been doing this for a couple of months and it seems to be working.
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    • This is what I'll do too
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  • I think its waste of time to post duplicate articles in different directories. Why because google will definitly filter them out. I have been experimenting with submitting articles to a blog network and those articles which are spun (rewritten) get indexed, the ones that are duplicate do not get indexed therefore their backlinks never count.

    People often quote that newspaper sites repeate the same story - but they have authority: most every other site that will accept your duplicate content will not.
    Its even worse if you are duplicating your content on your own blog and elsewhere google may well decide that your eza article has more authority that your little 6 month old blog because eza is years older
  • That's the way I have always done it and I have no complaints with my results - but then I'm not in a high competition niche either. Might work differently for something as highly competitive as IM subjects.
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    • I was fortunate enough to sit through a KICKASS Google seminar yesterday. All of their bigwig representatives were in attendance and at the end they had a free-for-all Q&A session.

      All I can say about the seminar is...WOW! I am definitely attending as many of these as I can!

      As I always say, "Times change, rules change." This is also true with Google. They've had over 400 changes to their main algorithm in the last 365 days!

      Anyhow, in relation to this thread, I found out two things that were golden.

      1. Don't worry about duplicate content anymore. There is NO penalty. If you have dup content on your own site, let them know what the preferred page is by manipulating your XML sitemap (which you should have!).

      2. Mass submitting articles to hundreds of article directories is a waste of time and money. I know iSnare and AM users will balk at this...but that's the way it is. Instead, look for other websites to submit to.

      Hope this helps.
      Allen Graves
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  • So this means article directories have been excluded from the 'big dogs' community?
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    • No, just 90% of them. There are still some that are very valuable to submit to.

      AL
  • EZA and goA ?
  • Im sorry, but I will have to respectfully disagree as far as only submitting to one directory to build your business, that quite literally- is preposterous.

    Search engines don't buy products, people buy products.

    And there are quite a few other search engines besides Google, with more popping up every day.

    I simply do not see the down side to thousands of links pointing back to your site.

    Even if they are the exact same article, or simple "Thank you" posts on forums, an inbound link or gateway to your promotion is a benefit.

    As one of my sites receive 3-400 unique visits per day, maybe 60 or so of those come from "G",

    The thing is- Every one of those other visitors money is "Green".

    Just my opinion to all the veterans that may think I'm making things "too complicated".

    Doesn't seem complicated to me.

    Best!
  • zeurois,

    It depends on your niche, your writing style, your customer demographics, etc... There are details in the eBook I sent you.

    Eric,

    Do you mean optimizing for one search engine? I never said (at least I didn't mean) submitting to only one directory. If so, I'll concur with that.

    AL
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    • Hi AL,

      Using a service like AM to broadcast your articles, though of course after submitting to the top directory(s).

      AM's prices will be shooting up to $999(lifetime) after the site upgrades, and people are paying $400 or so now to use them.

      From personal experience, the traffic gains are astounding, though agreed, the quality of many of the sites is poor, many more bring me thousands of uniques per month.

      The articles I've submitted to them are not rewritten at all, and probably not indexed by "G", but they still bring traffic.

      I've heard many suggest Article Dashboard (though not by you AL), is a good place to manually submit articles, but most of their content comes from AM as well.

      Also consider the user, some will repeatedly search for the information they need, but many are more likely to follow "Bread Crumbs", clicking link to link till they find what their after.

      Well designed sites such as article directories, and forums, tend to keep their visitors, engaging their curiosity and eventually lead them to your articles and links.

      Traffic that cannot and should not be dismissed.

      Just for pure link building, submission services can't be beat for the time put in.

      Just my 2
  • I understand where you're coming from. Let's call it a draw. LOL

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    Hello, warriors Let's say I make a post on a blog then submit the same post to article directories, along with a link to this post. Is is good? Or bad ? Should I rewrite the content for each directory?