Being Broken and Hit Rock Bottom is Mandatory to Become Succesful?

14 years ago

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I once did this and it helped, I staved for a day and slept on a park bench to see what would happen if did nothing.
It gave me a whole new lease on life.

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Well, in my case, it's true. I lost my job (2000) and was on the verge of
losing my home. In fact, I almost had a nervous breakdown during the
period. I was clinically severely depressed.

Honestly, how I pulled myself out of it and managed to achieve what I
have is a mystery to me. I think most people would have just folded.

But I thought of my wife and my daughter and it kept me going.

Today, I spend more time puttering around in my recording studio than I
do working on my business.

But it didn't come easy.
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butters 14 years ago

No... Plenty and I mean plenty of highly successful people in the world who came from well off backgrounds, average backgrounds and poor backgrounds. You don't have to hit rock bottom before you do something, plenty of people in the world have nothing and they ain't getting out of it any time soon. Why? It's all to do with mindset, they know their situation isn't good but they ain't willing to take the risk or put in the effort to change it. Maybe they can't change it because of their situation but it has nothing to do with going broke, it is all mindset.
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Thomas Smale

14 years ago

No. Bear in mind 95% of sales pages are pure b/s anyway.

You don't need to hit rock bottom - although it does help to have some kind of motivating factor other than "becoming rich".

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Smale

No. Bear in mind 95% of sales pages are pure b/s anyway.

Where did you find that statistic? Who performed the study? How was it conducted?

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butters

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Where did you find that statistic? Who performed the study? How was it conducted?

I am guessing you didn't get the memo... Most statistics which people say are made up.

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radhika 14 years ago

That's make me wonder... Do I have to loose everything before make some real money online?

Not necessarily. For a minute close your eyes and make believe those sales letters are true (I don't believe them anyway...). Learn from them.

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Dan C. Rinnert 14 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

I am guessing you didn't get the memo... Most statistics which people say are made up.

Only 76.3% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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ozduc

14 years ago

Learn how a Spoiled Rich Kid, born with a silver spoon in his mouth strikes it rich working from home on the internet while still in his PJ's.

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it as most sales letters does it? I don't think there would be too many average people who could identify with it.

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butters

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ozduc

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it as most sales letters does it? I don't think there would be too many average people who could identify with it.

True but it can easily be portrayed as, spoilt rich kids leaves life of riches behind and becomes like you so he could make it on his own without being gifted anything.

No matter the story, it can sound good if you can word it right. Mine isn't exactly worded right but you get the idea behind it :p.

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Dan C. Rinnert

14 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

True but it can easily be portrayed as, spoilt rich kids leaves life of riches behind and becomes like you so he could make it on his own without being gifted anything.

No matter the story, it can sound good if you can word it right. Mine isn't exactly worded right but you get the idea behind it :p.

Exactly. The important thing is to be truthful. Whatever your story, you can likely find a way to spin it to make it interesting.

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ozduc 14 years ago

Originally Posted by butters

No matter the story, it can sound good if you can word it right. Mine isn't exactly worded right but you get the idea behind it :p.

Excellent point. People love a good story.
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Ty Neal

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ozduc

Learn how a Spoiled Rich Kid, born with a silver spoon in his mouth strikes it rich working from home on the internet while still in his PJ's.

Doesn't have quite the same ring to it as most sales letters does it? I don't think there would be too many average people who could identify with it.

Now if I see a headline like that I may purchase the product just because of the headline LOL, Every person who had success had a down fall in life it part of the process. Why a lot of people cant have success is because they can not handle the down fall or afraid of the downfall.

But if you seen the headline above will u be motivated Hmmm...

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Thomas Smale 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Where did you find that statistic? Who performed the study? How was it conducted?

I made it up.

My point was that in the vast majority of sales pages the truth is likely to have been bent at least once.
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Ray Erdmann 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Where did you find that statistic? Who performed the study? How was it conducted?

You're not going to sit there and tell me the MAJORITY of sales pages, written by some highly qualified 'copywriters', don't BEND THE TRUTH when it comes to what can be done with whatever is being sold, use psychological 'triggers' to PUSH the reader to ordering/subscribing whatever the latest/greatest product is...do you? ;-)
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- Ray Erdmann 14 years ago
  
  Hitting rock bottom is irrelevant! Having the 'burning desire' to succeed, regardless of your current situation, is what's needed in order to obtain those dreams/goals you seek in life, whether it be short-term gratification or long-term fulfillment.
  
  Based on my own experiences, I've hit what I feel many would call 'rock bottom' and it was so bad that I've held a loaded gun in my hand, and have attempted to take my own life on more then occasion and the only reason I'm still hear is because somewhere inside of me I knew I was put on this planet to do something good, to help someone else who was or is, in even more need of help or guidance then myself, but those thoughts took many weeks, if not months to resurface after each monumental battle was over.
  
  And to this day, even after hitting rock bottom, I'm still not at that level of 'success' that I thought I'd have by this stage in my life.
  
  HOWEVER
  
  Being the ever 'optimistic' person I am...or should I say 'have become since hitting rock bottom'...I continue pushing ahead, rowing the boat myself when those around me won't, simply because I know 'eventually', something's gotta give.
  
  So, to recap:
  
  Is hitting rock bottom mandatory? NO
  But if you do hit rock bottom, then you better hope for a strong positive outlook, fueled by a burning desire to better your current situation and knowledge to keep yourself from hitting the floor again.
  
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seasoned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert

Where did you find that statistic? Who performed the study? How was it conducted?

WHAT? You think it is HIGHER!?!?!? How high do YOU feel it is!?!?!? I have to say, that I have seen a LOT of sales pitches. OK, MOST tell SOMEWHAT the truth about the phone number and address, MAYBE! But most ARE BS!

HECK, I once called a number on an ad, in a FULL page in computer world, about a new card. They were even shocked when they found out I had the number! They did NOT help me with technical info as they claimed AND I found that almost the whole thing was BS right down to the claim that they provided 132 column in hardware. The company's name? IBM! WOW, I could run a LONG list! SO, are the PURE B/S? Well, WHAT do you consider pure? As to percentage? It is PRETTY HIGH!

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E. Brian Rose

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Smale

No. Bear in mind 95% of sales pages are pure b/s anyway.

You don't need to hit rock bottom - although it does help to have some kind of motivating factor other than "becoming rich".

Are you saying that hitting rock bottom is a motivating factor? Somebody at rock bottom just wants enough to get to the next day. Somebody with a little success wants to have a lot of success. A little success is the best motivating factor of anything. Once you have some, you strive to get more.

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inter123

14 years ago

IM is effectively a sales world and in such an environment people are more likely to be economical with the truth then some other fields.

As human we are all unique and no one size fits everyone. There are many people who as a result of hitting rock bottom have slipped further into another world.

Sometimes coming from a position of previlage actually help: there is positive references to spur the person on. While someone at the low ebb are full of negativity and fear, are unable to come out of it.

Personally if you ask me, its better not to hit rock bottom, why go through the suffering and the hell it brings.

People seem to celebrate ones that have nothing and become something. I would have thought though for each one of those there are thousands who got no where.

Maybe so called IM gurus or salesmen use such stories as it creates a notion of romance and heroism and the idea is easier to sell.

Originally Posted by neodarth

Seems to be the rule for success, I 've seen like a bizillions of sales letters from IM Gurus and all of them have one thing in common... They all hit rock bottom before "become rich".

Seriously almost every Guru out there told you that has a background of missery, countless of sales letters are filled with financial, mental and spirit broke stories, people with no money, no job, no home, a wife pregnant of quintuplets, eating from a trash can... wasted humans beings with no hope...

And then... they find the way up and make millions on internet and after having nothing they now spend their money on fancy cars and mansions, private planes...

Somehow it's kinda make sense, if you hit rock bottom there is no way but up... is like you need to be humilliated, tortured and crucified to resurrect as a supreme being.

That's make me wonder... Do I have to loose everything before make some real money online?

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robofx Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by inter123

I would have thought though for each one of those there are thousands who got no where.

I read a good book called, "Fooled By Randomness," by Nassim Taleb.

He talks about a fictional professional Russian Roulette player. The champion keeps pulling the trigger and surviving every time, making millions of dollars at the international Russian Roulette championships and being featured on the cover of sports and pop-culture magazines, along with his beautful wife and children and mansions and private jets etc.

He's interviewed by all the sports world talking heads. They ask him how he does it. He tells them all about how he carefully selects special bullets, pulls the hammer back in his gun just so - his technique for squeezing the trigger.

Precisely where you have to place the barrel against the temple, how much pressure you must use, etc.

Somehow the interviewers never manage to visit the cemetery to interview his losing challengers. :confused:
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Alan Petersen

14 years ago

I haven't become rich money-wise but I've been working IM full-time since 2007. I had what is considered a good, steady job in corporate America but there was plenty of humiliation and torture working for a huge corporation.

Probably not as good as not being able to afford food or have a place to live but I don't think you have to hit that low in order to be successful but it makes for a better story in their sales pitch.

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Ron Douglas

14 years ago

Originally Posted by neodarth

Seems to be the rule for success, I 've seen like a bizillions of sales letters from IM Gurus and all of them have one thing in common... They all hit rock bottom before "become rich".

That's make me wonder... Do I have to loose everything before make some real money online?

That's complete nonsense. All hitting rock bottom does is give you a great story to tell and maybe some extra motivation.

All that is really required for success is a good idea and a way to get your idea in front of the people who want it (without spending more than you make).

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

First off ... don't believe everything you read. Not all sales pages tell the truth. And no ... I never really hit rock bottom or was a convict or homeless or was starving to death before I saw success in my business. I've had more and less money at times but never considered myself at rock bottom.

Work hard, make a plan, make changes when necessary, learn a lot, and sometimes you will even fail, but you will learn something every time you do.

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Colton

14 years ago

Hitting rock bottom makes your realize a WHOLE LOT OF THINGS. I think it makes you so much stronger to actually feel what it's like and to tell yourself that you never wanna feel that way again. I think it improves your work ethic and dedication.

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neodarth 14 years ago

Is not that I want to hit rock bottom, I don't need that perspective to put some extra effort on my business.

What I'm talking about, is that seems to be more inspirational and historically popular take the Hero Journey aproach in a sales letter. The poor kid that finds an artifact (magic lamp, gates of hell, R2 Unit, Internet Marketing system), and with the help of a guide (genie, virgil, Obiwan, IM Guru), begins a journey (saving the girl, cross hell purgatory and heaven, fight the empire, work from home) to conquer the world (jazmin princess, Beatrice, destroy de death star, Become multi millionaire).

The average Joe who identifies with you, who's being broke like you, struggling like you, full of debts like you, with no skills like you, no college like you and becomes a billionaire working on his pijama just like you want to be.

How many people finish reading the sales letter or watching the video with his last pennies on their credit card in hand screaming YES I WANT TO BE LIKE YOU!

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tryinhere

14 years ago

Hitting rock bottom is not the key to success, if it was why do we have parks full of people who have hit bottom and bummed out ?

it is more to do with something than can be stirred inside of some people, rock bottom or not, a bit like a fire that you cant put out, I have had enough now i want my share.

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pheonix44

14 years ago

I know what it is to be down, a while ago I was so down I had to go to soup kitchens just to get a meal. Now that I have a little dough whenever I go out to eat I savor every last drop. I even take home some of the breaksticks and rolls.

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Maddi

14 years ago

I think the most important factor in any kind of success is the Burning Desire.

Now hitting rock bottom facilitates the Burning Desire but that factor can come from without hitting rock bottom too. As long as you Want it Bad enough, you'll get it.

I've hit rock bottom a couple of times

didn't help

But yes, it did fuel the already present, Burning desire in me.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by neodarth

Somehow it's kinda make sense, if you hit rock bottom there is no way but up... is like you need to be humilliated, tortured and crucified to resurrect as a supreme being.

That's make me wonder... Do I have to loose everything before make some real money online?

I personally hit rock bottom several times over the last 10 years with
going from business start up to business start up.

(Edit: Make that 15 years, with 10 years of actually investing money into
offline businesses).

I'm not saying people MUST go through it, but looking back - I would not
have changed a thing.

It helped me to grow as a person and as a business owner, and gave me
the fuel and power needed to make a huge success of my efforts online.

No, it was not fun losing our home or cars due to my hard-headed efforts
on succeeding on my own, but it was a key ingredient at getting me to
where I am today.

This was from off-line business efforts, some bad, some great.

So when I came online, it was all a breeze.

- John

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Charleskidd

14 years ago

I agree with maddi because everyone wants to be rich. When you have a burning desire it gives a big push. To tell you the truth, I have heard this many times from great books.

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