Is internet Marketing a scam? - some people believe so

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I used to chat about my Internet marketing with some people, and they would say that it is a scam, taking money from people, and I would just challenge that we are providing products/ ebooks, etc to customers who want to purchase it, and improve their lifes.

and basically I won the discussion.

Have you ever had this? people assume that your internet stuff you are doing, to take money from people is a scam?

who were they, and what did you tell them?
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  • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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  • Profile picture of the author Sara Young
    Well, apparently there really are scams out there, and they give IM a bad name.

    Too bad, because it's a great way to make a living...
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    Many times, I think they have the overall impression of this because internet marketing is full of scammers, maybe not the majority, but lots and the bad unfortunatly in peoples minds sticks out more.

    I do not think that online (internet) marketing has reached the reputation (trust level) of offline marketing yet, but I believe it will.

    I am in the Graphic Design field and everything is being geared for online marketing, Graphic Designers NOW need to have a treasure chest of skill sets to be marketable online.

    From being able to do offline and online graphics, website building, programing and many other things.



    Originally Posted by Matt Morgan View Post

    I used to chat about my Internet marketing with some people, and they would say that it is a scam, taking money from people, and I would just challenge that we are providing products/ ebooks, etc to customers who want to purchase it, and improve their lifes.

    and basically I won the discussion.

    Have you ever had this? people assume that your internet stuff you are doing, to take money from people is a scam?

    who were they, and what did you tell them?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kierkegaard
    There are scams in every type of business.

    I remember an experiment carried out in the UK in which someone with perfectly healthy teeth visited loads of different dentists. They all said he needed fillings. I've experienced this personally, my new dentist pointed out where my old dentist had drilled into a healthy tooth.

    Most people assume tradesmen will scam them, plumbers, electricians, roofers, etc. Which is why word of mouth advertising is the most powerful in those businesses. If you can point to a tradesman who did a good job without ripping you off, then people will hire them.

    The easier it is to scam - the more scams there will be.

    Internet Marketing schemes - that is, how to make money with internet marketing - is a goldmine for scammers. There are so many desperate people needing a 2nd income or even a main income that the pickings are rich for a scammer. This doesn't mean of course that everyone is a scammer but people have to be careful.

    There is also the lasting stigma of the dot.com failures (from over 10 years ago!) people remember them and still believe that all talk of making money online is either a scam or doomed to failure. Or that an online business isn't a real business. Yet they alll use Amazon, price-comparison websites and so forth.

    To cut short. There are a lot of scams but this is true for a lot of businesses. People are wary of internet businessses but so what?
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  • Profile picture of the author GoGetta
    Its peoples mindset!

    When you are making money by something that doesn't seem like "Normal Work", it is labelled as a scam!

    But, IM is the same as anything else. For every 10 plumbers, you have 1 that rips people off (scams them), charges for work not needed, same with probably every other type of business. (Not real numbers, but you get the picture)

    IM is like every other business, there are scams, but there are also great products delivering! But, IM is labelled like so, because it is classed in the bracket of "NORMAL WORK", so it must be a scam!

    GoGetta
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    • Profile picture of the author tyroneshum
      Originally Posted by GoGetta View Post

      Its peoples mindset!

      When you are making money by something that doesn't seem like "Normal Work", it is labelled as a scam!

      But, IM is the same as anything else. For every 10 plumbers, you have 1 that rips people off (scams them), charges for work not needed, same with probably every other type of business. (Not real numbers, but you get the picture)

      IM is like every other business, there are scams, but there are also great products delivering! But, IM is labelled like so, because it is classed in the bracket of "NORMAL WORK", so it must be a scam!

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      True, many people may say this and that about Internet Marketing because most of the times, the bad guys in the industry are much recalled. But not all people may be bad at all because it still depends upon every marketer.
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    • Profile picture of the author kmckillop
      Originally Posted by GoGetta View Post

      Its peoples mindset!

      When you are making money by something that doesn't seem like "Normal Work", it is labelled as a scam!
      That's pretty much it. I mean look at the contracting/home repair/etc business. It's ripe with shady people and people getting ripped off, but nobody assumes you're ripping people off because it's 'normal' go to work for the day type thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
    Yes, most "normal" folks I run into think I'm a "spammer" (as opposed to a "scammer", although I'm sure that runs a close second), because I happen to make a living online...whilst still holding down a J.O.B.

    It's normal, I think. Skepticism, I mean...

    Even when I tell them I'm just a programmer who happens to write for my company's customers first, and my own second.

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  • Profile picture of the author jamieludlow
    Whenever I speak to friends and show them sites with long page sales copy they immediately assume its a scam. I know most sales pages convert well, but a lot of "regular" people just see them and immediately think scam without reading a word.

    I guess most people probably think the internet marketing lifestyle is "too good to be true" so thats why it gets labelled as a scam.

    The thing is the lifestyle may be great, but it takes a lot of hard work and determination to get to the top and its quite a big learning curve along the way so although the prize for sticking in there and reaching your goals is massive its not always quite as easy as what most famous internet marketers make it out to be.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
      Originally Posted by jamieludlow View Post

      Whenever I speak to friends and show them sites with long page sales copy they immediately assume its a scam. I know most sales pages convert well, but a lot of "regular" people just see them and immediately think scam without reading a word.

      I guess most people probably think the internet marketing lifestyle is "too good to be true" so thats why it gets labelled as a scam.

      The thing is the lifestyle may be great, but it takes a lot of hard work and determination to get to the top and its quite a big learning curve along the way so although the prize for sticking in there and reaching your goals is massive its not always quite as easy as what most famous internet marketers make it out to be.
      That's interesting, Jamie...and might bear out some of the recent tendencies towards video sales letters...which could be perceived as less hypey.

      My first reaction, 3 years ago (I'm a relative newcomer), was "this looks so easy...it must be bogus"

      It took me 2 years and a lot of learning to realise it's not so easy.

      But neither is it bogus.

      I *loved* the learning, by the way. It was mainly listening to other people's success stories.

      There's a big world out there...and the chances are pretty good someone will be excited by your product/idea.

      Like most things...if you stick with it long enough, and take the time to learn the nuances...you'll be fine.

      We seem to have this amazing "self-policing/self-fulfilling" policy.

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      • Profile picture of the author jamieludlow
        Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

        I *loved* the learning, by the way. It was mainly listening to other people's success stories.

        There's a big world out there...and the chances are pretty good someone will be excited by your product/idea.

        Like most things...if you stick with it long enough, and take the time to learn the nuances...you'll be fine.
        I agree the learning is quite fun, because you hear people's success stories and you see what is possible if you learn the skills and put in the work.

        The problem is most people get caught up for soooo long dreaming about where they can be in the future and going through all the training they possibly can without ever taking any meaningful action which is what is going to produce the results.

        You can't learn forever, you have to learn enough to get started get something out there, make mistakes, learn from your mistakes and improve and then start seeing results.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
          Originally Posted by jamieludlow View Post

          I agree the learning is quite fun, because you hear people's success stories and you see what is possible if you learn the skills and put in the work.

          The problem is most people get caught up for soooo long dreaming about where they can be in the future and going through all the training they possibly can without ever taking any meaningful action which is what is going to produce the results.

          You can't learn forever, you have to learn enough to get started get something out there, make mistakes, learn from your mistakes and improve and then start seeing results.
          So true.

          You won't make a penny without "going for it" at some point.

          Thanks for correcting me!

          Best wishes,
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Yep, I couldn't agree more. Internet Marketing is one HUGE scam. So here we have 203,297 scammers and aspiring scammers here at the Warrior Forum, which is a PR5 forum and available on the internet for all eyes to see. That would include the FBI, CIA, BBB, FTC, among many others.

    Yeah, we're all criminals and would be criminals. Call the internet cops.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

      Yep, I couldn't agree more. Internet Marketing is one HUGE scam. So here we have 203,297 scammers and aspiring scammers here at the Warrior Forum, which is a PR5 forum and available on the internet for all eyes to see. That would include the FBI, CIA, BBB, FTC, among many others.

      Yeah, we're all criminals and would be criminals. Call the internet cops.
      ^^ What he said makes sense for me.

      Will print a t-shirt and send it to everyone that makes that the stupid remark "so, you work with computers... can you help me and change my broken hard drive?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Funny how most people that believe internet marketing is a scam
    keep getting sucked into 'get rich quick' BS... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author mainstreetcm
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Yes, everything under the sun is a scam unless the customer gets something for nothing.
    I totally agree with this. You have no idea how many times I heard "well this seems like a scam..." when I worked at Disneyland shilling daily stroller and electric wheel chair rentals...
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  • Profile picture of the author andr3w84
    In general, most people are still not aware of how this online moneymaking works, don't understand or worse, don't want to understand it. Most people I've talked to about it said things like "ah, cool, good for you" acknowledging that it's indeed a viable way to make money but still they didn't want to be bothered more.

    I assume most people think something is "bad" because they cannot understand it right away or it's too different from what they are usually exposed to. On the other hand, as it takes less investment to earn $$ than in the offline world, it also takes less to run a scam...
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  • Profile picture of the author philbowman
    Hey Matt,

    I talk about it all the time, and nobody has ever said it was a "scam". Yes, I believe Internet Marketing is a process of providing honest, quality products and services to people who are interested in that information.

    It's always the customer's option if they feel the information is what they're looking for.

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  • Profile picture of the author dankas
    Scam or not, what makes me laugh is that all of us are trying to sell each other "that one perfect" product that will skyrocket you and your business into 3000$ a month type of business. Everyone is promising insane traffic, great profit, and the best of all, the price. Originally it was 349$, but now it's only 27$, and that's not all, here are 5 free books of total worth of 667$ and this free video where I will show you how I made 456$ in just one day. And so the circle continues. You pay 27$ and the poor guys get rich. And he's ebook says: visit forums and try to sell the e-book as I did. Works great, I promise. That's why is in bold letters on yellow bkg. You feel stupid as the "killer SEO truth never told" book is actually google SEO blog or something simmilar made simple. And free of course.

    I wonder if we are really scam spammers indeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
      Something to consider that most of us "marketers" seem to always forget:

      In the grand scheme of things, the internet is truly still an adolescent.

      The difference between today and only 5 years ago is extremely substantial, yet barely circumstantial for those who were not a part of the movement. Sure for those who were there to see or even create the sites which have brought many brick and mortar businesses online to gather prospective customers and advertise their products know how powerful it is. But, those who weren't are still sitting in their office scratching their head wondering why the competition seems to be getting more business. Most of them today are saying "we need a website" but still you will find a vast majority of them are not optimized for getting real traffic, they just HAVE a site.

      Kevin Riley's report on video marketing (available as a WSO, no plug here just good enough to share) stated that today 97% of people come online before they make a purchase to compare pricing and find the product they want. 97%! That is an incredible statement and only 5 years ago I wonder what the statistic was.

      The 203,303 active marketers or would be marketers on this forum are honestly pioneers in a brave new world that will stick around, I think mostly because of the transparency. It is getting harder and harder to hide online and the wiser people get to the tactics being used the further us honest folk are going to get into profit and enjoying what we do. What some people don't realize is everything they do is essentially being recorded, every tweet, email, etc etc, having a mindset for the long term relationships is by far the smartest way to go about it. Short term persuasion is getting around to not working anymore and I think pretty soon it won't work at all.

      The online marketing world is only a teenager if you step back and look at the timeline, sure its still misunderstood, but it won't be forever.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamieludlow
    I think as long as you are providing quality content that you actually believe in and feel comfortable talking about the subject yourself and know what you are talking about, all the claims on your sales page are true etc. then its fine.

    Its when you make a product in the IM niche and have never made money online, that you should think "am I doing the IM market any favors here?". Morally I think its wrong. If you are new to IM then find a niche market where you know your stuff and sell to those people. If you make $50K selling in that niche then great tell people in IM niche how you did it, but just be honest and you can't really go wrong.

    I think most people can see if you are fake and just trying to pull one over them to earn a quick buck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Laura B
    Originally Posted by Matt Morgan View Post

    Have you ever had this? people assume that your internet stuff you are doing, to take money from people is a scam?

    who were they, and what did you tell them?
    Yes, just yesterday, in fact! On another forum, in their subforum devoted to affiliate links and promotions, I listed my affiliate marketing course for sale. I got several snippy replies to the effect that I wouldn't get any sales there because they never, ever pay up front to work for someone. Huh? One person told me you should never have to pay to join an affiliate program, which I never even mentioned (and it's free anyway).

    Even after several attempts to explain that this was not a job offer nor an affiliate program but rather an information product helping people to start their own business, they appeared to remain convinced that I am a scammer.

    Just a knee-jerk reaction, I guess, and I can understand why people are so jumpy since there are indeed a ton of scammers out there. But the fact that they didn't even know the difference between working at home as an employee of a company and working for yourself as an affiliate marketer is kind of frightening. It's no wonder the average person is thoroughly confused.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamieludlow
    To be honest you will never sell your products/services to people that are skeptic so instead of wasting your time and energy explaining things to them its probably best to just move on and focus on finding new people that do get you and do believe in your product and sell them.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I am proud of being an Internet Marketer, in the retail business/offline world, it is highly respected. Regarding selling people a home based business product, that is a tougher sell.
    My suggestion is brand yourself a leader with the power of Social Media and LinkedIn, this will give you more creditability and will lead to more sales. Seldom will someone buy a home based business or education product from someone who isn't transparent and doesn't have a solid profile. People are doing their due diligence now before taking their creditcard out.
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  • Profile picture of the author MassiveMarketer
    Yes because there are a lot of scammers out there. I guess there are some people who are hesitant to earn money online because of security issues. There will always a possibility of some transfer issues but that doesn't make it a scam. Maybe because of their bad experiences of what they've heard of.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Tee
    IM is often misunderstood as a scam, but they would have never been able to comprehend the amount of effort we have put in...certainly not a get-quick-rich scheme. And if we're providing something of value to the customers backed up with results to show for, we certainly aren't scammers. But if customers don't work hard after buying our products and dream of the insanely huge profits without taking solid, consistent actions, they'll just dismiss this whole thing as scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    Of course IM is a scam. Amazon, eBay and all the other big outfits who use internet marketing to put their products in front of the people who want to buy them are obviously scammers, and there's never been a successful delivery of a product ordered online.

    No-one really believes that - the people who say that internet marketing is a scam either have a very limited idea of what IM means and think that you can't profit from selling something that you haven't got, failing to realise that you can profit from a cut of someone else's sale if you work at helping them make it, or lack belief in their own abilities and think that putting up a fuss about alleged system-wide flaws will deflect attention from the flaws they feel are their own.

    Yes, there are scammers on the internet, just as there are offline. Online there are probably more because of the ease of anonymity, but if you are a straight up internet marketer who supplies a worthwhile product or service in exchange for cash then it shouldn't be that difficult to put it into words if someone asks what you do, without becoming a community outcast as a result. 'Internet Marketer' is just a label - it's up to us what people stick it to.
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  • Profile picture of the author texasmom64
    Too bad that "real scammers" are giving IM a bad name.
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    • Profile picture of the author pappyy3
      Originally Posted by texasmom64 View Post

      Too bad that "real scammers" are giving IM a bad name.
      Unfortunately some IM people earn the title scammer for a good reason ....

      Read some of the titles in the WSO's and tell me what they "smell" of?

      There are good and bad elements in every proffession, occupation etc

      As they say ... bad news travels twice as fast as good news
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  • Profile picture of the author reynoldscorb
    Most people associate Internet Marketing with "Get Rich Quick Schemes." This is the reason people think Internet Marketing is a scam. They don't know the difference.

    Internet Marketing is an honest business to many. That's why I love the warrior forum. Quality Internet Marketers in here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bicycle Cat
      Originally Posted by reynoldscorb View Post

      Most people associate Internet Marketing with "Get Rich Quick Schemes." This is the reason people think Internet Marketing is a scam. They don't know the difference.
      Exactly. Everyone always has this vibe when I'm on other, non-IM related sites/forums. The minority of scammers out there don't help the cause at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
    People will think anything is a scam if they don't understand what it really is...and then there are others that think its a scam cause they can't do it!

    I think JOBS are a scam...

    So I guess it just depends on how you look at it!! hehe
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  • Profile picture of the author IRichie
    No, This is not the case. A lot of my customers appreciate my product and say that they are extremely happy. I do not think that a lot of people think that internet is a scam. If this is the case, then people would not have been buying online.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    its not a scam but there are alot of scammers out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    My mom used to think so when I didn't make a dime but after money started rolling in she didn't have as much of a problem with it.

    I still get a feeling sometimes that she thinks it's a scam but just doesn't wanna talk about it because I'm making as much as her
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    • Profile picture of the author Srikanth D
      Is internet Marketing a scam?
      HELL YES !

      Everyone here is a SCAMMER. Ya everyone including you reading this LOL!!


      to be honest, there is a kinda outer shell of scams which people encounter - things linke Pyramid schemes, fake data entry sites, fake CPA - get rich in a day products.
      People first here about these things are they sound like an easy way to EARN. They try one or two, get scammed and spread the word...... That's about it - They never return to dig deep and find the real IMers
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  • Profile picture of the author specopkirbs
    some of my friends and colleagues thought that by doing IM i was some sort of scammer. There are many missconceptions about IM due to a high number of crap products and adverts available on the internet. That said people are becoming more aware of the guru crap and scams. I think its simlar to people becoming "Ad Blind" to adsense and such, after a while you just process through the crap without thinking.
    The problem with IM is that although there are many other mediums available for people to use for advertising, the size of the market is huge in IM compared to say a local paper AD or simlar, and a lot of advertising can be done (effective advertising that is) without spending much money, and what with the recession around the world and all, people are looking to get an income or add to their existing income and IM in my opinion is one of the quickest and most profitable ways to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author niffybranco
    Internet Marketing is a job, Get Rich Quick Schemes are a scam if you belive you will wake up without having a clue about website design, Adwords, PPC, Backlinking, social marketing, Selling on auction sites etc and you feel you can just grab a computer and with 15 minutes work start making $200- $300 an hour then you deserve to be scammed.
    Internet marketing is a proper job and if you do not pay for e-courses sit down to read , or pay a mentor to teach you and most importantly if you do not take action you are bound to fail and you will foolishly call the people that tried to teach you scammers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Vogin
      It's not bad. The more people think it's a scam, the less competition for the rest of us...
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  • Profile picture of the author stephanrobert
    No the websites products and services are not scam. online selling became very popular from some years. People apply SEO services for internet marketing so that people visit them and take advantage from the.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cezar R Abadiano
    I think some of it comes down to the fact that you don't really have a "face" when it comes to internet marketing.

    At least not for those of us who are just starting and don't have a name yet.

    At the same time many don't seem to see that internet marketing is simply just that - marketing through the internet. It's a whole new medium that seems to have served a good many businesses well.

    And probably that's why because companies such as Ebay, or Amazon or Walmart all have names already why us we're no bodies.

    I dunno that's just speculation on my part.
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    Thanks for this :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author alfredthomson
    Internet has blessed us with so many benefits. Its is not good to use it as a scam. Some people are out there doing the scams making us not to trust anyone else. My request for them is to stop doing such a thing so that others can survive by doing internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author jdwfg4
    Yeah, sometimes people think I am a spammer or other weird stuff. They don't really get it. Essentially, its like owning a small business, except the street front is global.

    Any business involves selling and buying period...so just because we are trying to market does not make it a scam. Any job they work, they are supporting some form of a business/sales system.

    If you are providing value, people shouldn't think that just because they have to pay for it its a scam or not legitimate.
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  • Profile picture of the author NadBedar
    Hi Matt,

    What I understand about IM is a business like any other business the same thing has been repeated above. In any buiness there are good and bad people...but the world is always run by the good people.

    In order to be a IM you have to be creative and innovative to design and plan your business, and organised enough to continuously make your living out of it.

    I understand that we define our own journey and our own definition of success, don’t bother what people are thinking.....just focused on what you want. We all know how to be ethical and honest in our daily activities.....
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  • Profile picture of the author sacredhoops
    You mean to tell me that IM is not a scam!?!? Wow, I learn something every day! HAHA
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    I use to have this challenge for a very long time, coupled with the fact that i come from a country with high scam rate. I was able to overcome this, with the atm card one of my affiliate company sent to me and mail Google sent to me with my pin.
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  • Profile picture of the author pmill06
    Is internet Marketing a scam? I remember when people use to ask if direct mail marketing was a scam years ago.

    If abused any system or method can be made into a scam. Trick is to not get caught up in the hype and check things out before you get burned. 20 - 30 years from now on some far away planet someone else is going to ask the same question. Only it will be something like "is teleporting a scam".

    The web is a great communication medium, just like billboards, radio, TV, direct mail etc. use to be. Use common sense and due your homework. And remember if it sounds to good to be true, call me I want in. :rolleyes:

    Later
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