by kyhell
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not really a rant more of a question but from time to time i see members as well as mods behave in a rather rude fashion.

im curious as to why?

when i see a member break the rules yes i get frustrated but i dont see any reason to be rude to them.

when a member posts a thread in the wrong place why in the hell does the mod who moved the thread have to be so Rude with the comment they leave. to me This is nothing more then flaming but the worst kind as the person being flamed cant respond.

is this not a marketing forum?
I guess maybe i hold myself to a higher standard but i try and treat everyone as a friend and potential customer even when they do behave badly or make mistakes.

Im tired of it to be quite honest and going forward im going to pay closer attention to those that feel being rude is an acceptable social practice and when i see that they have a product to peddle ill be the first in line NOT to buy their product.

I dont care if the product will make me a millionaire with no effort , feed the hungry, save the whales and cure cancer! if the person who selling can only be polite when my wallet is open then they have nothing i want or need.

ok so a rant this became and i apologize
#rude
  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I think you're reading too much into things.

    I see the things you're referring to also - but this isn't some generic public forum - it's a community and the mods are doing a job trying to keep it running as smoothly as possible.

    They're only human.

    If you had moved 2000 threads to other forums and kept seeing the same problems time after time - perhaps you would also sometimes get annoyed and accidentally word things less nicely?

    I don't give it any thought - so my question to you is - if YOU are seeing it as a problem or negative - that's probably saying something about you too.

    You have to remember that many of us have been here for years - quite a lot of years and we see a lot of bad stuff that the mods deal with amazingly fast.

    You only joined 7 months ago so you're only seeing a slice of what happens and taking offense to it.

    Life's too short to worry about such things - and to say you're never going to buy anything from someone with a negative/rude attitude sort of puts you in that same category. I saw your words and thought "wow - this guy is really negative".

    So - I say - just let it slide and get on with focusing on the positive stuff - it's there if you look.

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    • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      I

      They're only human.

      If you had moved 2000 threads to other forums and kept seeing the same problems time after time - perhaps you would also sometimes get annoyed and accidentally word things less nicely?

      Andy
      This basically.

      Sense of humor failure over moving yet another..

      So which is the best spinner post..

      Some of them are blatant SEO posts put in general etc, they just
      lose the will to live some days , I know my mods do.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      If you had moved 2000 threads to other forums and kept seeing the same problems time after time - perhaps you would also sometimes get annoyed and accidentally word things less nicely?

      I don't give it any thought - so my question to you is - if YOU are seeing it as a problem or negative - that's probably saying something about you too.

      You have to remember that many of us have been here for years - quite a lot of years and we see a lot of bad stuff that the mods deal with amazingly fast.

      You only joined 7 months ago so you're only seeing a slice of what happens and taking offense to it.
      I've been here longer than the OP and I think he has a valid point.

      When moving threads, maybe the Mods should save the snarky comments for PMs because when they appear publicly everyone can read them.

      Here is one I saw just last week:
      "Posting in the wrong form might get you banned... Consider this a warning"

      Everyone, not just the person who posted that thread, sees that. Is that a warning to the particular poster, or to everyone? If it's posted publicly, the latter is an understandable assumption. Do you know the message that sends to the casual user? It's something like, Why the !@#$ should I risk starting a thread here if I might get banned because of it?

      A lot of times, I can see why a thread was moved. But, frankly, there are many occasions where a moved thread leaves me scratching my head. And, if I can't make sense of it, do I want to risk being banned because I might unknowingly post a thread in the wrong forum?

      At the end of the day, though, I don't spend too much time worrying about it. It's not my forum, after all. I just try to tiptoe lightly through the eggshells.
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        When moving threads, maybe the Mods should save the snarky comments for PMs because when they appear publicly everyone can read them.

        Here is one I saw just last week:
        "Posting in the wrong form might get you banned... Consider this a warning"
        On the flip side, if a moderator PMs someone every time they move a thread, they're going to spend half of their (unpaid, volunteer) time just sending PMs. And then having to deal with the people who argue with the PMs.

        So, they just post the warning directly in the thread title. That way the mods can teach a group of people the rules at once rather than arguing with one person privately. That seems reasonable to me.

        Also, as a side note... usually I see the strongest warnings when the same person repeatedly posts in the wrong forum. Seems some people need the ol' frying pan to the head method.

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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

        When moving threads, maybe the Mods should save the snarky comments for PMs because when they appear publicly everyone can read them.

        Here is one I saw just last week:
        "Posting in the wrong form might get you banned... Consider this a warning"
        lol... It may be a coincidence, but since you posted this, Dan... the funny "edits" to the titles of misplaced threads are a little nicer...
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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    I feel you, bro. I posted a similar thread earlier, today.

    "Market Unto Others as You'd Have Them Market Unto YOU"
    <-- the title; just in case you wondered lol

    This whole marketing thing is all about psychology and the rudeness is psyche101; transference.

    Those that choose to be rude, (for no apparent or justifiable reason), are basically attempting to transfer some form of personal inadequacy off onto those that will engage them in their plea for negative attention. Best to just let other people's sh** be other people's sh**... its not yours to take on nor is it your obligation to even accept its existence into your world.

    At least that's how I deal with it.

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  • Profile picture of the author colio
    I hear what you are saying Andy.. but on the other hand, this forum isn't a general public service nor charity.. the mods get something out of running this site right? At the end of the day, this very forum is a business right? And those of you who have been around it for years, also gain a lot from it right? You are not here for charity I assume?

    I guess its a question of trying to treat customers or potential customers the right way or the wrong way.. I've been in sales (offline) for more than 15 years now & have sold millions upon millions of dollars worth of products & services to some of the biggest companies in the world! But it doesn't mean that when I get some small business who takes up my time & doesn't know what they are doing, that I treat them badly..

    I firmly believe you should treat people the way you'd like to be treated because even if you are an expert in IM, or this forum, there is something you are not going to be an expert in, & when you try to find out about that, do you expect to be treated badly by the experts who have been around for a while?

    My 2 cents..
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    • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
      Originally Posted by colio View Post

      I hear what you are saying Andy.. but on the other hand, this forum isn't a general public service nor charity.. the mods get something out of running this site right? At the end of the day, this very forum is a business right? And those of you who have been around it for years, also gain a lot from it right? You are not here for charity I assume?
      As far as I know the mods don't get anything (I used to be a mod and I certainly didn't).

      As for me - I actually come here to help rather than to get something for myself. This place has been really useful to me over the years and I have a lot of friends here - so whether you say it's for charity or not I don't know but I'm not here to make money - check my sig file.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Stirling
    unfortunately, flaming is an added 'bonus' that comes with forums..
    no matter what it's about..
    I'd be willing to bet old ladies flame each other on knitting forums.. (maybe not)

    but it's pretty hard to escape. i've been flamed before for no real
    reason and yes, it sucked.. I guess it's some people's way of dealing with
    their own inadequacies. you, know it's the same as bullies at school..

    anyway, it's pretty unavoidable so we just have to live with it.. try not to
    get involved and let it run of us 'like water off a ducks back' if/when it comes to us.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    As usual there are always some rude people. They are everywhere. Nothing we can do about it.

    As for the Mods: a HUGE thank you for clearing some **** before I can hit the report button.

    You rock!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rapido
    Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

    when i see a member break the rules yes i get frustrated but i dont see any reason to be rude to them.
    Do you take any action to modify their behaviour?

    Do you give them an infraction to nudge them into
    thinking about why it may have been wrong?

    Do you use the report button to draw it to the
    attention of the mods?

    when a member posts a thread in the wrong place why in the hell does the mod who moved the thread have to be so Rude with the comment they leave.
    Have you considered that it is selfish to post a
    thread in the wrong forum?

    I find it very frustrating to see the first page of
    the main forum littered with topics that shouldn't
    be there. Especially when many of those threads
    have been posted by people who have been here
    long enough to know it's the wrong place to post
    such threads.


    is this not a marketing forum?
    Yes, and as it says in the forum description,
    this is where we talk about making money.
    So, technically you should have posted this
    in the Off Topic forum alongside all the other
    rants.

    Im tired of it to be quite honest and going forward im going to pay closer attention to those that feel being rude is an acceptable social practice and when i see that they have a product to peddle ill be the first in line NOT to buy their product.
    That is your right. Personally, I'll continue to
    make my purchasing decisions based upon
    what is best for my business. Attaching too
    much emotion to business decisions has never
    worked out for me.

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    • Profile picture of the author kyhell
      Originally Posted by Rapido View Post

      Do you take any action to modify their behaviour?

      Do you give them an infraction to nudge them into
      thinking about why it may have been wrong?

      Do you use the report button to draw it to the
      attention of the mods?



      Have you considered that it is selfish to post a
      thread in the wrong forum?

      I find it very frustrating to see the first page of
      the main forum littered with topics that shouldn't
      be there. Especially when many of those threads
      have been posted by people who have been here
      long enough to know it's the wrong place to post
      such threads.




      Yes, and as it says in the forum description,
      this is where we talk about making money.
      So, technically you should have posted this
      in the Off Topic forum alongside all the other
      rants.



      That is your right. Personally, I'll continue to
      make my purchasing decisions based upon
      what is best for my business. Attaching too
      much emotion to business decisions has never
      worked out for me.

      Rapido
      ok lets tak this line by line

      1. yes i do
      2. depending on what the offence is but i will nudge infract report and sometimes all of the above

      3. have you considered that sometimes when people post in the wrong place its an honest mistake?

      im not saying these post SHOULDNT be removed by any means. I am however saying that for what ever reason when a post needs to be moved there is no reason for the mod be a condescending a$$hat about it.

      and finally i feel that not supporting those members that are rude is whats best for my business as i personally feel that being rude has an adverse effect on my business

      now for the record this thread was meant to be directed towards the members and not the mods so much.
      i think the mods do an ok job of running things and wf is one of my fav forums. do i think its the greatest marketing forum on the planet? no not by a long shot but it does provide value no matter how censored the content is.
      the primary draw for me here is that the members here seem to have a higher level of maturity over other forums on the net and that goes a long way.

      and for the record have i had threads pulled? yes? was this why i posted this? NO

      what sparked it was seeing how down right rude some people are to new people here. Because they dont understand the search feature or because they dared to ask the same question that had been asked a 1000 times before. im not saying to "baby" these people by any means but to guide them. somewhere up in the replies i read that people think its rude if you are direct and your right but pls also keep in mind you can be direct with out being a d!ck.

      and as for posting this in an off topic part of the forum, No I Believe that how we treat others is just as important as posting articles or finding new traffic methods because its all part of the game.

      the idea that by posting this some how projects some kind of sense of entitlement is laughable at best.
      its a sad state of affairs when suggesting that taking peoples feelings into account is some how a bad thing.

      really no point in debating it really The rude are rude because it gives them emotional dominance over others and in turn gives them a sense of power. its sad really i dont hate the rude i pity them.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
        Look's very much to me like the pot calling the kettle
        black...

        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        I am however saying that for what ever reason when a post needs to be moved there is no reason for the mod be a condescending a$ about it.
        Where in this thread has anyone been rude to the extent
        of calling a Mod an "a$$hat"?

        do i think its the greatest marketing forum on the planet? no not by a long shot but it does provide value no matter how censored the content is.
        Read the stickies at the top of the Main forum and you'll
        see who "censors" the forum. The Mods primarily respond
        to posts reported by the members.


        somewhere up in the replies i read that people think its rude if you are direct and your right but pls also keep in mind you can be direct with out being a d!ck.
        You really do like to bring the tone down to your level don't
        you... name calling, even in general terms is interpreted as
        rudeness is it not?


        really no point in debating it really The rude are rude because it gives them emotional dominance over others and in turn gives them a sense of power. its sad really i dont hate the rude i pity them.
        You have absolutely no idea about the intent behind the
        actions of anyone. If you perceive rudeness... that's just
        your interpretation.

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      • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
        Ok, help me out here because surely I am missing something?

        Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

        I've read your initial post... check!

        I'm reading your last post... check!

        Are you including yourself in this rudeness evaluation? Check out your tone and language...

        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        ...when a member posts a thread in the wrong place why in the hell does...
        Plenty of people would be offended by that type of rude language.

        But I digress...

        How about this one?

        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        there is no reason for the mod be a condescending a$ about it...
        And this one made me want to check the fuel level in a C-130 Hellfire.

        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        ...i think the mods do an ok job of running things...
        You "THINK" the MODs are doing an ok job?

        To quote Steven Wagenheim:

        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        When you are a moderator of a forum and have to put up with the crap these mods have to put up with...THEN you can talk. Until then, you don't have a clue.
        To read the statements you have made about the ebb and flow and nuances of this forum are pretty astounding seeing that you have never been a WF moderator. Moreover, you apparently haven't grasped the enormity of the job they do; paid or not. Instead, you come on the WF, jump on your high horse and call the MODs a bunch of condescending a$$hats?

        What?

        Huh?

        Is that not rude? Or, is it just me?

        It would probably be a good idea if you just sat back awhile and got a real feel for how things flow in this forum because your initial assessment was W-A-Y-Y-Y off base IMHO.

        Additionally, you lost all credibility with your "Let's deal with the rude folks campaign" based on the language in which you delivered your missive.

        So, how about we just chalk this one up as passionate mistake by a WF noobie who is going to go back to the drawing board and get to know the people he so arbitrarily engaged in bashing. Rather rudely I may add.

        P.S. Maybe even be polite and apologize for spouting off at the mouth about things you have no knowledge of?

        Could you do that, please?

        Giles, the Crew Chief


        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        ok lets tak this line by line

        1. yes i do
        2. depending on what the offence is but i will nudge infract report and sometimes all of the above

        3. have you considered that sometimes when people post in the wrong place its an honest mistake?

        im not saying these post SHOULDNT be removed by any means. I am however saying that for what ever reason when a post needs to be moved there is no reason for the mod be a condescending a$ about it.

        and finally i feel that not supporting those members that are rude is whats best for my business as i personally feel that being rude has an adverse effect on my business

        now for the record this thread was meant to be directed towards the members and not the mods so much.
        i think the mods do an ok job of running things and wf is one of my fav forums. do i think its the greatest marketing forum on the planet? no not by a long shot but it does provide value no matter how censored the content is.
        the primary draw for me here is that the members here seem to have a higher level of maturity over other forums on the net and that goes a long way.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    Half the time I dont think its rudeness, it just ets lost in translation, this is a global forum after all.

    The Brits and Yanks know only to well how sometimes in writing online there are epic fails where sarcasm is missed for example.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      When you are a moderator of a forum and have to put up with the crap
      these mods have to put up with...THEN you can talk.

      Until then, you don't have a clue.
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      • Profile picture of the author kyhell
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        When you are a moderator of a forum and have to put up with the crap
        these mods have to put up with...THEN you can talk.

        Until then, you don't have a clue.
        Ya Know steve your right Im sorry.
        I guess i had no idea how much some of the mods hate their job.
        ya know i use to hate my job.
        then i go into internet marketing and quit my job.
        im alot happier now.
        now i spend my days telling people not to be rude on the internet ~ Im easily amused
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        When you are a moderator of a forum and have to put up with the crap
        these mods have to put up with...THEN you can talk.

        Until then, you don't have a clue.

        OP's original assertion just confirmed by this Post
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        Nothing to see here including a Sig so just move on :)

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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Like the OP, I don't like rudeness,
          but, ranting on this forum, and then calling mods names isn't going to get you brownie points, I'm afraid.
          I too try to treat people the way that I would want to be treated, but we are all human and we all have our breaking point.

          In defence of forum mods: I've been there, done it. It's a thankless job: damned if you do, damned if you don't, know what I mean?
          You couldn't pay me to be a forum mod...well you could, but it would cost you a fortune
          ...because honestly, dealing with so many different personalities on a large forum like this can be a nightmare for even the most patient of people.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        Posting an off topic rant in the main forum...


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by MarkAndrews IMCopywriting View Post

        I don't think they get our sense of humour in the slightest
        Brits have a sense of humor? :confused:

        J/K :p

        Love Monty Python by the way and Doctor Who can also be quite funny
        at times even though it's not really trying.

        Or is it? :confused::p
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            i dont see any reason to be rude to them.
            I can't see Russia from my house, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
            I guess maybe i hold myself to a higher standard
            Enjoy that feeling of superiority.
            Those that choose to be rude, (for no apparent or justifiable reason), are basically attempting to transfer some form of personal inadequacy off onto those that will engage them in their plea for negative attention.
            The flip side of that argument is that some people use sloppy thinking and bad pop psychology to maintain a feeling of superiority. Choose your side. Neither changes reality, and that's something you can't observe clearly until you get rid of the sloppy thinking and bad pop psychology. (Read: Prejudices.)
            I firmly believe you should treat people the way you'd like to be treated
            For most adults, that means "If I'm behaving inappropriately, I'd rather be told than allowed to continue to be inadvertently offensive."
            The only lever the mods have is to maintain an 'edge' to their communications
            Not true. That's the smallest lever we have. It's our alternative to just banning someone who goes over the line, once they've established that they're not going to listen to simple suggestions.
            They watch Allen make all the dough and hardly show up while they're not getting paid
            This sort of comment is every kind of ignorant. You have no clue what Allen does behind the scenes, or what he has to deal with in return for providing you a free place to make such inane judgments.

            My first reflex on reading that comment was "Nuke the fool." But you're new. Instead, I'm going to suggest that you reconsider the wisdom of making insulting and condescending public judgments on things about which you know exactly nothing.
            the primary draw for me here is that the members here seem to have a higher level of maturity over other forums on the net and that goes a long way.
            And here we get to the crux of the thing.

            We have some members who politely caution people when they behave in ways that aren't appropriate. If those people respond like adults, the mods never need to get involved. Simple social interaction and learning. When people behave in outrageous ways, they're treated by the other members with a mix of correction and scorn. Again, if that works, the mods have no need to get involved.

            Some moderators will discuss issues, which serves to let people know the why and how of all things Warrior. Some moderators just nuke people who break the rules, which serves to act as a reminder that the rules are not there for amusement or debate. Without enforcement, they're not rules. They're casual suggestions.

            Do you suppose there's a chance that this mix, which has evolved over the time the place has existed, might have something to do with the fact that this is one of the more adult forums in this industry?


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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Brits have a sense of humor? :confused:
          No, they have a sense of humour. There's a subtle difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    I've just spent two hours trying to sort out one thread in the Reviews forum where there is evidence of malpractice. I didn't get paid a penny for my time, nor for my detective skills nor my experience. Then I turn to this thread and see a couple of ridiculous comments from people who don't know any better.

    We are not paid, this is not a business and we only ever get upset with people who break the rules.

    In my particular forum, we have people trying to promote products or their affiliate links every single day. When the forum rules are so prominently displayed, it's not my job to make sure that a newcomer knows these rules. It's my job to make sure that the rules are respected.

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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
      Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

      When you are a moderator of a forum and have to put up with the crap
      these mods have to put up with...THEN you can talk.

      Until then, you don't have a clue.
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      I've just spent two hours trying to sort out one thread in the Reviews forum where there is evidence of malpractice. I didn't get paid a penny for my time, nor for my detective skills nor my experience. Then I turn to this thread and see a couple of ridiculous comments from people who don't know any better.

      We are not paid, this is not a business and we only ever get upset with people who break the rules.

      In my particular forum, we have people trying to promote products or their affiliate links every single day. When the forum rules are so prominently displayed, it's not my job to make sure that a newcomer knows these rules. It's my job to make sure that the rules are respected.

      Pearson
      ^^ This.

      More: We should be grateful to those providing us this FREE fantastic forum: Admin + Mods + all the guys sharing TOP knowledge for FREE.

      There.
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  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    Agreed hard work or not, rudeness isn't really necessary anywhere, however

    I really do hope you had the courtesy to speak directly to the mod that you felt was rude and gave them a chance to reply before publically condemning them. (and by the way, you seem to have condemned all mods and not just the one that you felt was rude)
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

    not really a rant more of a question but from time to time i see members as well as mods behave in a rather rude fashion.

    im curious as to why?

    when i see a member break the rules yes i get frustrated but i dont see any reason to be rude to them.

    when a member posts a thread in the wrong place why in the hell does the mod who moved the thread have to be so Rude with the comment they leave. to me This is nothing more then flaming but the worst kind as the person being flamed cant respond.

    is this not a marketing forum?
    I guess maybe i hold myself to a higher standard but i try and treat everyone as a friend and potential customer even when they do behave badly or make mistakes.

    Im tired of it to be quite honest and going forward im going to pay closer attention to those that feel being rude is an acceptable social practice and when i see that they have a product to peddle ill be the first in line NOT to buy their product.

    I dont care if the product will make me a millionaire with no effort , feed the hungry, save the whales and cure cancer! if the person who selling can only be polite when my wallet is open then they have nothing i want or need.

    ok so a rant this became and i apologize

    Being direct isn't the same as being rude. For some reason, people think that when you say what you mean without sugar it is considered rude.

    You need to develop more of a thick skin if you want to continue doing business on the internet. No matter how much sugar you put on your customer service, you will always get angry customers who can't be satisfied.

    Surprisingly, some of us don't need you to purchase from us. In fact, some of us would rather you didn't.

    That is an example of being direct.

    You can see some "entitlement" issues within this thread. The mods are getting paid so they should just shut up and do their jobs?A lot of people come to this forum to make money but don't take the time to find out how it is run and what the rules are.

    A lot of us consider that rude.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi,

      Being direct isn't the same as being rude.
      I agree with Thomas and also Rapido (post #7). And would add -

      If you've ever tried to get anyone to do anything, you'll know the basics - which are that if you don't give someone a compelling reason to do something, they won't.

      The only lever the mods have is to maintain an 'edge' to their communications - a very slight humiliation of someone who has failed to follow the basic, obvious rules - which are there because if no-one followed them the whole system would collapse in anarchy.

      The examples I have seen are along the lines of -

      'How difficult is it to post SEO threads in the SEO forum??'

      Not exactly rudeness.

      Anyone who has experienced anything resembling real life will know that to go the other way and make efforts to be more P.C. to please whingers causes way more problems than anything else.

      As you can see, I hate the consequences of P.C.-ness with a passion because my life and business is continually interfered with and made more difficult due to it's recent ascendency and I hate it way more than directness or even outright sarcasm.

      I believe that by maintaining an edge in the communications made by forum mods they are providing a valuable service. Life has 'hard edges and sharp corners' (Myers) and business is even more like that.

      If someone agrees to do business with you and asks for the details in writing and requests certain specific criteria for the presentation of the information then they will probably pull out of the deal if you totally ignore their requests and make life difficult for them.

      Hence, free business initiative training for newbies by the mods here. Cheers mods.
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  • Profile picture of the author OLOORE
    I do believe that we really have to understand that many times, we humans bring our
    obvious inabilities and inadequacies to the fore, especially at very stressful moments.
    When times like that come up, our pals are supposed to bear with us. At least, it is said that to err is human. So, we let go at such moments.
    However, being rude frequently will not be excused. I am not saying in the least, that the Mods are rude. Far from that. I'm just agreeing that it's not right to be rude. We
    were taught globally, that its nice to always be nice. If the other party is a customer,
    you as seller will always try the best you can to be polite. Now, I see that isn't what's
    obtainable here, since our Mods are not sellers but WILLING VOLUNTEERS. Be that as it may, we just have to appeal to them to put on THEIR VERY PATIENT AND ACCOMMODATING GARMENTS each time they are moderating, so that their GOOD WORKS will not be rubbished, by the stressful activities of the participants.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Oloore,

      its nice to always be nice
      I heard a different version -

      It's good to be nice, but by God, you don't half have to pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    I must have missed something the OP said because I thought he was talking about rude people in general and not singling out the Mods.

    Thus the nature of my original reply.

    It seems, however, that the remainder of this thread has gone the direction of Moddum ... and although I try to be thoughtful and mindful enough to never have to retract anything I say here... I'd like to add some clarity regarding my thoughts about the Mods, (for the record).

    Besides; if all the cool kids are pissed at'cha, you won't get a good seat in the lunchroom.

    Steve, (the writer guy from Jersey), said it best I think. Until you walk a mile in the Mod's moccasins, you have no clue as to what they go through on a reg. Like I said, I don't retract but to clarify; no, I'm still not excusing rudeness... but the Mods can get a bit of a reprieve (from me) due to what they gotta put up with.

    Mods have the most thankless and headache inducing obligation on the Internet next to helpdesk operators.

    - People are constantly pissed at them for just doing their jobs.
    - They hardly EVER get a straight out "thank you" from the fools they're protecting on a daily basis.
    - They don't get to jump on the forum and "rant" about their frustrations with the job BUT have to monitor everyone else's "rants"
    - If they miss something obvious, they probably have Allen chewing a hole in their ass
    - They watch Allen make all the dough and hardly show up while they're not getting paid
    - They have to watch out for all the little petty games the fools that try to harm the forum ON A REGULAR are trying

    The list goes on and on... so yeah, I give the Mods a bit of a reprieve on the rude meter 'cause they're PRETTY STRESSED OUT.

    Everybody else... naw, no reprieves.

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    There bad and good people everywhere you go.. don't sweat the little stuff and don't let these people get the best of you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Laura B
    Everyone's perception of what constitutes rudeness is different - that I think we can all agree on! I see the point that you all are making about the difficult job the mods have and can certainly see why they are blunt at times. But it wouldn't hurt any of us to take Chris' post as a reminder about our general behavior. I think that's part of the benefit of a forum like this; we create our own system of checks and balances, so that overall the community remains a good place to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    The mods are only rude when they delete my posts and threads.

    When they delete everyone else's, then they're just doing their job.




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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    kyhell - I understand what you're saying, though I don't agree with your conclusions. Some days the negativity seems to run high and it can be discouraging. My "cure" for that is to take a break from the forum for a day or two. I think it's a good idea to do that now and then anyway, but especially if it's getting to you. I do agree with you in this regard: it's better to build bridges than to burn them.

    Someone mentioned dry humor and sarcasm in another post. Sarcasm can be hard to recognize in print, especially if you don't know the person using it. Admittedly, without knowing the person or being able to hear voice inflections, it's not one of my strong suits. Not that what I think is important to anyone, but if you use sarcasm you might want to make sure it's obvious rather than subtle if you don't want to be misunderstood.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Originally Posted by kyhell View Post


    I dont care if the product will make me a millionaire with no effort , feed the hungry, save the whales and cure cancer! if the person who selling can only be polite when my wallet is open then they have nothing i want or need.
    I'm pretty sure that I would buy a cure for cancer even if it was being sold by the rudest guy on the planet.
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    • Profile picture of the author sanssecret
      Unfortunately I don't think there's any easy way of everyone coming up with what's 'rude' or not. Especially on a forum where we communicate with the written word. Ok, we do have those nice little smilies that can help out sometimes.

      But see, I read the OP and didn't see it as particularly rude, or aimed at MOD's, or anyone in particular. There are some (imo) very rude people on here. But I dont know them personally, I don't know their personality, I don't know what crap is going on in their daily lives and maybe they're just stressed to breaking point... not excusing rudeness, but if you're having the day from hell then you might read into a post something that just isnt' there.

      Somedays I read the put downs and laugh, sometimes I cringe, and sometimes I just don't pay that much attention. But then I'm a woman and allowed to be moody and change my mind at the drop of a hat. You men have no such excuse. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
        Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

        But then I'm a woman and allowed to be moody and change my mind at the drop of a hat. You men have no such excuse. :p
        I'm going to petition Allen to add this part of your post to the official forum rules.

        On second thought, maybe I won't.

        Oh, ok... I guess I will.




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      • Profile picture of the author Cezar R Abadiano
        It is true that what some of us may consider as rude others will have no problem with.

        Sarcasm can also be considered rude taken in the wrong context and I suppose some people are just trigger happy when it comes to pointing out rudeness from their subjective point of view.

        Because it basically comes down to our own subjective perceptions like it or not.

        But I think that as a group and as a community at that there are certain levels that surpass the collective threshold of what is considered proper and what isn't.

        And when that line is crossed - and I have seen a few examples - then you get to see the collective community at work enforcing it.

        Is that a good thing?

        I think so but then again this is my own personal opinion.

        We are left to do what we want to do but within certain boundaries. Yes some of us may see it a challenge to push the limits of those boundaries and if it happens once or twice warning is sufficient and that should be the end of it.

        However it's that small percentage that just feels that such a boundary is a personal attack against them that really are the repeat offenders.

        Leniency is all well and good but when it just is the same thing happening over and over again I have no problem with draconian methods of enforcement.

        And as for the quote below:

        Originally Posted by sanssecret View Post

        But then I'm a woman and allowed to be moody and change my mind at the drop of a hat. You men have no such excuse. :p
        Bravo!
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    • Profile picture of the author Crew Chief
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      I'm pretty sure that I would buy a cure for cancer even if it was being sold by the rudest guy on the planet.
      I bet the OP never thought of that one...

      P.S. Listen to this guy!!!

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      • Profile picture of the author kyhell
        Originally Posted by Crew Chief View Post

        I bet the OP never thought of that one...

        P.S. Listen to this guy!!!

        Giles, the Crew Chief
        dont be so sure Pal!
        ill bet you didnt realize the op has cancer and placed that bit in the sentance for a reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author SmallFry
    Hmmm...I'm pretty new here, but so far IME, people here have been so kind & helpful!To be fair, people should read the rules of any forum that they join-if there's different sections for different subjects, of course you should post in the appropriate place.I appreciate different sections, and the effort that obviously goes into that.It keeps things neat & organized :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author kyhell
    Wow! just Wow! LMAO

    hold on a second while i get my bold button ready!
    ok where to start....

    first anybody that is under the misconception that the thread was somehow meant to flame the Mods then I apologize It wasnt.

    and how is me saying that i think the mods are doing an ok job of running the place a bad thing? Im not here to stroke egos if the Mods are collecting a paycheck from their efforts then in my opinion that is a sign that they must be doing what Allen wants them to be doing so good on them.

    As for running or modding a forum been there done that still do it elsewhere so whatever.

    as for the thread being in the wrong place well ill say it again "I believe that being polite is an important part of making money online." Obviously by now a Mod or two has seen this thread so if its in the wrong place then move it! i didnt feel it was thats why i posted it here.

    as for strong language i apologize if that offends but once again in my opinion if you are rude and condescending then you are an a$$. there is no other way to put it.

    and yes i realize that rudeness is a very subjective thing and at times its sarcasm poorly executed.

    look if you think for one second that im trying somehow to launch some kind of one man personal attack on the folks that run the forum then you are sadly mistaken.

    several of the mods here have been helpful and courteous with me every time ive interacted with them ~Great people

    so it has become apparent that 80% of the original post has been taken out of context and thats my fault for not conveying my thoughts in a more direct and detailed structure.

    perhaps rather than providing a commentary to the question i should have just left it at the question... why so rude?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Those dirty b*stards, how dare they moderate the forum for free and maintain law and order. Those dirty motherf*ckers, who do they think they are enforcing the rules and banning spammers and other low life trash.

    How Dare they delete mine and everybody else's posts and threads that violate the forums rules, they even have the gall to ban people for posting affiliate links in their signatures.



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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

    not really a rant more of a question but from time to time i see members as well as mods behave in a rather rude fashion.

    im curious as to why?
    We're people.

    Sometimes I go out to the grocery store because I'm out of beer, and the store is out of Guinness. So I go to the wine section, already a little annoyed because there's only one beer and they've not got any, and I find that they don't have a single decent old vine zinfandel on the shelf, and their cabernet selection is divided between "ungodly expensive" and "ungodly awful," so I have to buy a merlot. And then, when I get home, I discover that all the red wine glasses are dirty so I have to either drink merlot out of a white wine glass or wash a red wine glass by hand. So I try to wash a red wine glass by hand, and somehow I manage to drop one and break it, which means I have to clean glass out of the sink AND wash another glass, and then I come downstairs and open the wine only to discover that apparently 2007 was not a good year for Ravenswood merlot and it tastes like people have been washing their feet in it.

    And then I see some butthead on the main internet forum asking where he can get help using xrumer.

    Now, if I'd just gotten out of bed with my hot 26-year-old girlfriend and grabbed myself a relaxing cup of earl grey while she slept peacefully with her hair all tousled and lying across the pillow in a lovely golden spray, I'd probably post something about "hey, we're not fans of xrumer here, and this is why."

    But I didn't. I just had a long series of frustrations and annoyances in the process of trying to get myself a beer, and ending up with a glass of crap wine instead. So I'm going to be a little more brusque in my response.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      We're people.

      Sometimes I go out to the grocery store because I'm out of beer, and the store is out of Guinness. So I go to the wine section, already a little annoyed because there's only one beer and they've not got any, and I find that they don't have a single decent old vine zinfandel on the shelf, and their cabernet selection is divided between "ungodly expensive" and "ungodly awful," so I have to buy a merlot. And then, when I get home, I discover that all the red wine glasses are dirty so I have to either drink merlot out of a white wine glass or wash a red wine glass by hand. So I try to wash a red wine glass by hand, and somehow I manage to drop one and break it, which means I have to clean glass out of the sink AND wash another glass, and then I come downstairs and open the wine only to discover that apparently 2007 was not a good year for Ravenswood merlot and it tastes like people have been washing their feet in it.

      And then I see some butthead on the main internet forum asking where he can get help using xrumer.

      Now, if I'd just gotten out of bed with my hot 26-year-old girlfriend and grabbed myself a relaxing cup of earl grey while she slept peacefully with her hair all tousled and lying across the pillow in a lovely golden spray, I'd probably post something about "hey, we're not fans of xrumer here, and this is why."

      But I didn't. I just had a long series of frustrations and annoyances in the process of trying to get myself a beer, and ending up with a glass of crap wine instead. So I'm going to be a little more brusque in my response.
      See, this is why I long ago got used to just drinking anything in a white can with a blue band for a label.

      I don't kick my dog nearly as much as I used to...

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      We're people.

      Sometimes I go out to the grocery store because I'm out of beer, and the store is out of Guinness. So I go to the wine section, already a little annoyed because there's only one beer and they've not got any, and I find that they don't have a single decent old vine zinfandel on the shelf, and their cabernet selection is divided between "ungodly expensive" and "ungodly awful," so I have to buy a merlot. And then, when I get home, I discover that all the red wine glasses are dirty so I have to either drink merlot out of a white wine glass or wash a red wine glass by hand. So I try to wash a red wine glass by hand, and somehow I manage to drop one and break it, which means I have to clean glass out of the sink AND wash another glass, and then I come downstairs and open the wine only to discover that apparently 2007 was not a good year for Ravenswood merlot and it tastes like people have been washing their feet in it.

      And then I see some butthead on the main internet forum asking where he can get help using xrumer.

      Now, if I'd just gotten out of bed with my hot 26-year-old girlfriend and grabbed myself a relaxing cup of earl grey while she slept peacefully with her hair all tousled and lying across the pillow in a lovely golden spray, I'd probably post something about "hey, we're not fans of xrumer here, and this is why."

      But I didn't. I just had a long series of frustrations and annoyances in the process of trying to get myself a beer, and ending up with a glass of crap wine instead. So I'm going to be a little more brusque in my response.

      Caliban...don't EVER stop writing. LMAO.
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Caliban...don't EVER stop writing. LMAO.
        I second that! Caliban's very entertaining, in fact and his previous post got me chuckling once or twice.
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    • Profile picture of the author NicheMayhem
      A mod should have the thickest of skins BUT:

      Our own inner integrity rarely supersedes our outer integrity, which is a shame. Usually its the other way around and we curse people to suffer pain and embarrassment on the inside while we are pleasant and helpful on the outside. Perhaps if any of us, including myself, could work on the inner strength and integrity needed to always be happy and never be condescending this world would be a much better place. BUT ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN, It's always going to be DIVERSITY that MAKES OUR WORLD GO ROUND

      I have seen the comments left behind for the OPs who posted in the wrong place and totally realize why the OP of this thread would consider them rude BUT....

      Tough Love is a more effective tactic. Maybe there was a MOD meeting and they all decided to just blast out the message every chance they get, let it be a lesson to all each time we have to step in, make it public awareness rather then casual guidance. If so, I bet it will deliver better results. Just my opinion!


      Either way, we all have a little rudeness in us, it just takes a certain trigger to find it as the OP himself has proven in his responses. Can't we all just get along?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Chris,

    I didn't take this as an attack solely on the moderators. I took it as a pointless and recurring gripe about an inevitable fact of reality.

    For the record: We do not get paid. This is not a job.
    as for strong language i apologize if that offends but once again in my opinion if you are rude and condescending then you are an a$$. there is no other way to put it.
    Nonsense. Of course there is. I can demonstrate a few if you need the lesson in English. (Hey, you asked for that one. )

    You chose that way of saying it because it communicated the emotional content you wished to express.


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  • Profile picture of the author enterpryzman
    I am somewhat new here and have only recently began to contribute when possible. I feel this is one of those times in adding this :

    My wife is dying of Pancreatic Cancer and has been for almost 5 years now. I have searched the Internet and found a few sites like this one for those such as us. I am absolutely certain that the contacts I have made and the communication established both online and offline with said contacts, are very much why Sherrie is still alive today.

    You would think that a forum of those trying to learn how to stay alive would be friendly and I assure you that rudeness is an unfortunate way of life for some on the Internet. Crazy and very rude fights happen every day on those boards and things are said that would make your head spin, all for no real reason.

    Try to remember that we truly know very little about the person or persons we are talking to here, just what they want us to know and we then imagine based on seeds they have planted and our impression of them.

    We have no idea what is going on in their life, good or bad, if they have anyone else to talk to ever ? Some will come here to have what is the closest thing to human interaction that they ever have based on many factors.

    I am just saying that I hate rude folks BUT, I try to consider the source and not ever fight back or fall victim to the " slippery slope " and become rude myself.

    Thank you to everyone in the community for all you offer, including the MODs, I learn from all of you, not just how to grow on the internet but also, how I should and should not act to others.

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  • Profile picture of the author aaramire
    I do notice "rudeness" here an there both from mods and veteran members. This place can be intimidating for noobs at times.

    At the same time the wealth of information present here is priceless.

    As it has been stated, we are all human, I'm pretty sure we would all get ticked off if we were responsible for cleaning up the same infractions daily from people that either don't like to follow the rules or just want to "game" the forums
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    • Profile picture of the author kyhell
      Originally Posted by HypeFree View Post

      I think it's a abuse of the word "rude". People should grow up and learn to say what they think and grow not atack other of being rude all the time for speaking their mind
      see the paradox is this if i were to truly speak my mind Paul would ban me before my finger left the return key
      then what point would speaking my mind really serve?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        see the paradox is this if i were to truly speak my mind Paul would ban me before my finger left the return key
        then what point would speaking my mind really serve?

        Obviously you don't know Paul very well.
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        • Profile picture of the author kyhell
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Obviously you don't know Paul very well.
          I dont know him at all actually.
          just what i have seen him post
          not really an issue to be honest
          as i have no issue with him
          anyway.

          I have one rather humorous observation i would like to share with all of you.....

          i would say that the majority of the replies to original post have been comments in direct opposition to what i had first stated.

          I had read in an ebook i found floating around on another forum that said that a great way to generate a buzz and get people to remember you is to post a controversial thread in a forum but not so controversial that you get banned.
          the idea behind it is to create a buzz on the forum like i said.

          now im not saying that by any means this is what i have done here but it sure seems to be sound wisdom or at least a proven theory.

          Before I got in to IM full time I was a vlogger and had built a reputation around being incendiary and controversial and it work out very well i was one of the best paid vloggers on one of youtube's largest rival sites. Until the site did away with all of its paid content.

          I know drama is good for business but seriously im getting to old for all of that.


          my sentiments i originally made about rudeness where genuine
          but the fact that there are 2 pages of comments on a thread that i honestly thought would wind up on page 5 in a matter of hours made me pause and remember that e-book i had read a few months back.

          at any rate at this point continuing posting on this thread is nothing short of beating a dead horse.

          there's not much left floating around on the net anymore but for those of you that care to look into my vlogging days just google my user name.

          kind of makes me laugh really that if any of you were aware of who i was online 3 years ago you would seriously take pause at the idea of me posting a thread about people being rude. but that was then and the checks were fat and this is now and the checks are better!
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          • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
            LMAO:



            Too funny not to share.

            On topic with OP, yes I definitely see some rudeness here and there, but sometimes I think it's not really intended as rudeness but directness. And sometimes I'm sure it's definitely meant to be rude, aggressive, controversial, antagonistic...take your pick.

            The thing is, if you keep letting that stuff get to you, it's going to diminish what you stand to gain from this forum and the people here. Personally I choose to ignore the rudeness/idiocy (we could cover that in another thread ) and go about my business. Sometimes it annoys me and I'll step away and focus on something else for awhile.

            There's a lot more to this forum than "some" people being jerks, there are a LOT of people being very generous with their knowledge, advice, support, encouragement - wow, if you really take time to look at the good aspects of this forum, it makes all the annoyances seem so meaningless.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        see the paradox is this if i were to truly speak my mind Paul would ban me before my finger left the return key
        then what point would speaking my mind really serve?
        The problem is, everybody has a different definition of what is rude.

        If I walk into a party and I'm already drunk out of my mind and acting
        like an ass, and the host says to me, "Steve, stop acting like an asshole"
        some may see that as rude.

        I see it as being remarkably restrained given my behavior.

        One man's rudeness is another man's straight talk.

        A lot depends on where you're from and how thick your skin is.

        See, me? When I think of rude, I think of somebody ditching in front of
        me in a movie line. That's rude.

        If somebody tells me I'm behaving like a brat or an ass and I deserve it,
        that's not rude.

        Putting a note on a moved thread "There's an SEO forum...USE IT!" is
        not rude.

        At least not in my opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Chris,
        see the paradox is this if i were to truly speak my mind Paul would ban me before my finger left the return key
        Interesting assumptions here.

        First, it is very unusual for me to ban someone for manners. You'd have to be seriously malicious for me to do that.

        Second, despite the assumptions of a lot of folks, I ban very few people, relative to some of the other mods. There's one idiot running around posting all sorts of slanderous crap about me, based on the mistaken assumption that I'm the one who kicked him out.

        Fascinating.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        see the paradox is this if i were to truly speak my mind Paul would ban me before my finger left the return key
        then what point would speaking my mind really serve?
        I can personally say that Paul is NOT like that. He's had his problems with
        me in the past...and rightfully so as I just flat out acted like a pompous jerk
        know-it-all. But once I straightened up and acted like a human being, it was
        like my past behavior didn't matter anymore as long as I didn't repeat it.

        In short, Paul is one of the fairest people here you will ever meet. And if
        you have a difference of opinion with him, you can tell him what it is. 9
        times out of 10, his reply will make you realize that maybe he has a point.

        Without a doubt he's one of the wisest people here when it comes to
        running a forum.

        When I'm not sure of something, I look to see what Paul would do. I don't
        always agree, but he almost always gives me insight into stuff that I
        would have never thought of. In fact, one conversation with him finally
        got me to stop stressing about something that was totally out of my
        control. In fact, writing this just now is the first time I've even given it
        a second thought since the incident...and that was months ago.

        If I could choose one person to have in my corner in this forum and only
        one, it would be Paul Myers hands down.

        That shows you how little you know him.

        And if that was rude, well, maybe it was intended to be.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          In short, Paul is one of the fairest people here you will ever meet. .

          I am not sure why Paul's corpse like pale skin has anything to do with this thread, Steven. I already told you vampires can't go out in the sun.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            I am not sure why Paul's corpse like pale skin has anything to do with this thread, Steven. I already told you vampires can't go out in the sun.
            Yeah, my spelling ain't what it shuld be...izit?
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        then what point would speaking my mind really serve?
        It's the principle of the thing.

        Would you rather be welcome here and not speak your mind... or speak your mind and not be welcome here?

        Once you know which you prefer, the decision is made for you, and all you have to do is refer to it whenever the choice arises.

        Is it so terrible not to be welcome here?

        Is it so terrible not to speak your mind?

        For me, not being welcome here would honestly be a terrible thing, because my income is way too heavily tied to the WSO forum. I'm in the process of changing that, but - for the next several months at least - being banned effectively drops my income to zero until the ban expires.

        But at the same time, it's just plain unacceptable to suggest I can't speak my mind. And amazingly, I've discovered that with a little prudence and forethought, I can speak my mind without getting banned. Much of that is because the supermods here are amazingly impartial compared to other forums.

        I seem to recall Steven Wagenheim making a similar discovery.
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        • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post


          It's the principle of the thing.
          Reminds me of an old joke.

          Kid: Mom I hate school.
          Mom: Why? Don't you like your classmates, the teachers, what is is?
          Kid: It's not school itself really, it's just the principle of the thing.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

            Reminds me of an old joke.
            Reminds me of another one.

            I hate my mortgage payments. It's not really the interest, or the taxes, or the insurance that bother me... it's the principal of the thing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
              While I don't necessarily disagree with any of the forum rules, there is
              one thing that for the life of me I don't understand and probably never
              will for as long as I am here.

              Member A can start a thread in Main Discussion and it gets to stay in
              Main Discussion while Member B can start the same kind of thread and for
              some reason it will get moved to God knows where.

              I had one thread moved to product reviews when it didn't even have
              anything to do with reviewing a product.

              I realize that a lot of what gets moved to wherever is subjective at times,
              unlike the blatant PPC, SEO and CPA threads that obviously belong
              somewhere else. But some of the moves...quite honestly, puzzle the heck
              out of me.
              Steve, the answer to that is actually easy when you think about. There isn't just ONE mod, but a number of them. Mod A thinks it's fine and leaves it but Mod B comes along and moves it. Much of modding is a matter of judgement and they are as different from one another as the rest of the forum.

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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
                Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                Steve, the answer to that is actually easy when you think about. There isn't just ONE mod, but a number of them. Mod A thinks it's fine and leaves it but Mod B comes along and moves it. Much of modding is a matter of judgement and they are as different from one another as the rest of the forum.

                Tina
                Tina, I Googled Mod A and Mod B and came up with nothing.
                All this talk about mods has me confused.

                So I take it that we're not talking about modifications to VB right? :confused:

                Can someone point me in the direction of the Programming Forum?

                Have a Great Day!
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

        see the paradox is this if i were to truly speak my mind Paul would ban me before my finger left the return key
        then what point would speaking my mind really serve?
        Do you read anything here .... geeesh ... if you could get banned for speaking your mind, I'd be banished for life.
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    seems to be part of the forum experience. dont pay it too much mind
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    I'm gonna tell you all a little secret. It's something that I've found to be true since my first effort at moderating, a long, long time ago.

    People who push the boundaries and get corrected tend to go one of two ways. Some go off the deep end and stay there. Those people sink, relative to the forum in which it happened. They forever view it as a challenge to be beaten.

    Some people push back a little, and also think about what they're being told. Those folks tend to become regular participants and valuable contributors to the group. That doesn't mean they always agree (Heaven save us from that!), just that they realize that it really is a group.

    The stronger the initial challenge and subsequent response, the more pronounced the effect. This is why I will challenge some people who others think should just be nuked without question. You give them enough rope and let them decide: Do I want to make a ladder or a noose?

    They get to choose.

    All the moderators have such approaches they've learned over the years. We go at the thing different ways, but the end goal is the same for us as for everyone else who values the group. A better experience for us all.

    As far as the moved threads having theit titles changed... Not my personal approach, but I know why it's done. The nasty comments tend to be reserved for multiple repeat offenders. People who refuse to learn unless they're made to feel some sort of consequence. Once they see the title, there's nothing preventing them from changing it back to what it was.

    That's a key part of this. Some people absolutely refuse to accept that there are things which aren't allowed until it's demonstrated to them that there are consequences. Some folks are determined to prove they can win, no matter what it takes. All they really end up showing anyone is that they're spoiled children, and capable of throwing tantrums when things don't go their way.

    Barring the occasional mistake by the mods (yes, we know we make them), people choose the response they get when they come in here. The overwhelming majority of the members never have any interactions with mods in any official capacity.


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Caliban,
      And amazingly, I've discovered that with a little prudence and forethought, I can speak my mind without getting banned.
      That has always been true. Some people just never figure it out.

      Anyone who thinks that disagreement is bad does not get access to any form of moderator-level function. And if you're too touchy about your "status," you don't get to keep that access for long if you had it.

      We have more latitude in some ways, but we're also subject to rules that don't affect anyone else. And both of those things are appropriate.


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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Anyone who thinks that disagreement is bad does not get access to any form of moderator-level function.
        You know Paul, volunteer fireman probably have as hard a job as you moderator guys. But at least they get to meet a few 'hot chicks' every once in a while.

        I'm thinking the moderators...not so much...

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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Bill,
          You know Paul, volunteer fireman probably have as hard a job as you moderator guys.
          Ummm... Way harder. We don't have to go into burning buildings or risk our necks in other ways. I wouldn't begin to compare the two.

          Moderating isn't hard. It's just time-consuming. And that's the biggest thing members need to keep in mind.

          We expect the trolls and the scam artists and the drive-by spammers. Dealing with most of that is just mechanical. It's not any more annoying than slapping a mosquito. Or any more significant.

          The thing that annoys us is when people who know better continue to act like idiots and break the rules or drag down the atmosphere with nonsense. Or when someone is told what the rules are and insists on debating them, to win some sort of exception. Or becomes an obsessive maniac, determined to prove that they can force their views on an entire community. And, when they fail, loses all contact with reality and goes on an insane crusade to punish the evil bastiches who had the nerve to deny them their way.

          Continually wasting our time with trivia and stupidity is more likely to get you banned than insulting us. Waaaaay more likely.


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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Anyone who thinks that disagreement is bad does not get access to any form of moderator-level function.
        While I don't necessarily disagree with any of the forum rules, there is
        one thing that for the life of me I don't understand and probably never
        will for as long as I am here.

        Member A can start a thread in Main Discussion and it gets to stay in
        Main Discussion while Member B can start the same kind of thread and for
        some reason it will get moved to God knows where.

        I had one thread moved to product reviews when it didn't even have
        anything to do with reviewing a product.

        I realize that a lot of what gets moved to wherever is subjective at times,
        unlike the blatant PPC, SEO and CPA threads that obviously belong
        somewhere else. But some of the moves...quite honestly, puzzle the heck
        out of me.

        It used to bug me...a lot, and I admit it. Now, I almost expect it.

        No, I'm not expecting you to explain this, but since we've gotten this
        out in the open about it's okay to disagree, that is the ONLY thing about
        this place that still puzzles me.

        And I guess in the grand scheme of things, if that's the ONLY thing, I'm
        doing pretty well in the informed and "I get it category." In fact, outside
        of that one thing, I think I understand how this place is moderated well
        enough to be a fair to midland moderator...not that I would ever want the
        job in a million years and for all the money on this planet.

        It's a totally thankless job that I don't think anybody who hasn't done it
        (I moderate at one other forum) can ever truly understand.

        Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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    For the past few months, I have noticed "rude" members and it really ticks me off. A long time ago, this forum used to be full of members that were ready to offer new internet marketers a chance to make money online without forwarding them to a WSO or sales page, now it seems that is all this forum is about. Some people here may rage at me for typing this, but look around, that is all this forum is about now...
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      A long time ago, this forum used to be full of members that were ready to offer new internet marketers a chance to make money online without forwarding them to a WSO or sales page, now it seems that is all this forum is about. Some people here may rage at me for typing this, but look around, that is all this forum is about now...
      Really? That's odd, because the few that I see who do that end up getting their posts deleted. And, if they do it too much, their WSOs, along with some time off. Since that's one of the things people are quick to report, and there's not that many such reports, I rather think your estimate of the frequency is... inaccurate.


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      • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Really? That's odd, because the few that I see who do that end up getting their posts deleted. And, if they do it too much, their WSOs, along with some time off. Since that's one of the things people are quick to report, and there's not that many such reports, I rather think your estimate of the frequency is... inaccurate.


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        They may get deleted, that is a good thing, but it still happens, and it has been happening more often the past few months.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          They may get deleted, that is a good thing, but it still happens, and it has been happening more often the past few months.
          Maybe you're just noticing it more?

          This has always happened here. It's just another form of spam, and we deal with it. That's hardly a sign of "rudeness" that anyone can do anything more about than is being done now.

          If you see it, report it. We will deal with the people doing it as soon as we become aware of the behavior.


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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by CDawson View Post

      A long time ago, this forum used to be full of members that were ready to offer new internet marketers a chance to make money online without forwarding them to a WSO or sales page, now it seems that is all this forum is about.
      A long time ago, this forum used to be full of members that were ready to do whatever it took to make money online - without insisting that they didn't want to do this, or didn't like doing that, or couldn't afford so much as $37 for the War Room to further their education. People who would go to a search engine and type their question there, before starting a thread about something like where to get text-to-speech software or what WPRobot does.

      Now it seems that is all this forum is about.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by HypeFree View Post

        do any of the cry babies here knows what that system was called?
        Failure?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    A long time ago...
    [sigh]

    For some of us, seeing anyone with less than 5 years experience in this group say those words is like watching a 17-year old explain sex to Grandpa.


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  • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
    Every time someone brave, and relatively new, posts that they feel this place is intimidating or that people are sometimes rude, some rude people (j/k, mostly) come in and tell them how idiotic they are.

    I've been here since '07, and some of you get darn rude. I LOVE the Warrior Forum. I LOVE the mods.

    There is a big mix of personalities here and they don't always mesh.

    But, I think some of you could learn to be a little less "rude" in your responses to others.

    I guarantee you there are a slew of newbies who don't feel welcome, and possibly other, quieter members like me, who see how the "big dogs" of the forum sometimes treat people and don't always like it.

    Don't kick the babies!
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    • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
      Originally Posted by HypeFree View Post

      What do you consider rude?
      That is a very broad question.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Jenn,
          I guarantee you there are a slew of newbies who don't feel welcome, and possibly other, quieter members like me, who see how the "big dogs" of the forum sometimes treat people and don't always like it.
          That is no doubt true. It is equally guaranteed that virtually no-one would like what this place would be like if certain types of people and comments were not met with a stern slap in the ego.

          More to the point, the inmates would run the asylum, and it would have been rendered useless not long after you and I joined. The people who were here in 97 remember when the spammers pretty much ran the place. You know what that situation was like. And you know what it took to clean them out.

          Fact: 90% or more of the people who join any large forum will never post.

          Personal observation: The character of the existing posters is a significant factor in determining who makes up the 10% who choose to become actively involved.

          Yes, there are a lot of people who are nervous about posting because of the response some idiots get. There are a lot of other people who become comfortable posting because we have no tolerance for the idiots, and they see that those who make an honest effort get treated fairly and get a lot of help from the members.

          If you only look at one side, it can look like a failed formula. If you look at the whole picture, and then what's happened with this place since 97, you get an entirely different perspective.


          Paul

          PS: Referring to newer members as "babies" is pretty rude, from my perspective. So much for the usefulness of the word "rude."
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I'd just like to thank Jenn Dize and Paul Myers for their contributions on this 3rd page..

    My thanks button ran out for the day, so I couldn't hit it...

    I enjoyed both perspectives

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    • Profile picture of the author thatgirlJ
      Perhaps I'm more referring to arrogance being intimidating

      My apologies to anyone who felt that my attempt at humor in the situation ("don't kick the babies") was rude :rolleyes:. It's something they post under each new person's profile at another forum I'm a member of to remind the seasoned members to give people a chance first.

      Paul, I completely understand your perspective...I have NO issue with being tough with people who are obviously idiots. But I can't help but observe that there is a select group of people here who seem to think they always have the right answer and anyone who doesn't share their perspective or who doesn't completely agree with them is the lowest form of life...even if they are just a normal person trying to ask a question. The arrogance some of these people have is what gets to me.

      It's bound to happen on a forum this size All I can do is observe, and try not to join in on behavior I find to take away from the spirit of this forum.
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        Jenn,

        Ah. There are some people who don't know the difference between idiot and inexperienced. I don't have much time for those folks myself.

        Aside from clear ethical issues, I tend to leave the "my way is the only way and you're a moron if you do anything different" types to the wolves. We have plenty of people here who enjoy giving those folks the verbal beat-down they usually deserve.


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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    One of my first experiences with this forum was a post I made about a spammer. I was new, I didn't know the history, but I got flamed for making that post.

    To paraphrase I got responses like " Oh great, another spam complaint", " Geez another newbie complaining about this guy, give me a break"

    It almost made me leave for good. New people haven't read all the posts and are not yet used to the culture. I've noticed, and perhaps it's human nature, to treat those with a low post count with suspicion or as know nothings. While a lot of spam and crap comes from those with low post counts, I try to be nice to newbies.

    I kind of like the system here. If you offend, you get blasted. If you do a "no no" you get blasted. If you violate big-time, you get a time-out. It's better than a lot of places where your account is simply removed. You either learn to play well or eventually lose interest or get banned.

    It hurts when someone is rude. I've learned however that written words can offend quickly when no offense was intended. We all read in our own voice and put inflection on different words. It can be tricky thing. Even if someone types "Shut up jerk" , that could be either an insult or a term of endearment depending on the situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      One of my first experiences with this forum was a post I made about a spammer. I was new, I didn't know the history, but I got flamed for making that post.

      To paraphrase I got responses like " Oh great, another spam complaint", " Geez another newbie complaining about this guy, give me a break"

      It almost made me leave for good. New people haven't read all the posts and are not yet used to the culture. I've noticed, and perhaps it's human nature, to treat those with a low post count with suspicion or as know nothings. While a lot of spam and crap comes from those with low post counts, I try to be nice to newbies.

      I kind of like the system here. If you offend, you get blasted. If you do a "no no" you get blasted. If you violate big-time, you get a time-out. It's better than a lot of places where your account is simply removed. You either learn to play well or eventually lose interest or get banned.

      It hurts when someone is rude. I've learned however that written words can offend quickly when no offense was intended. We all read in our own voice and put inflection on different words. It can be tricky thing. Even if someone types "Shut up jerk" , that could be either an insult or a term of endearment depending on the situation.
      Thanks for your insights, Scott. It's great of you to be so honest.

      It helps the forum as a whole when people share this kind of thoughts.

      Good on ya!

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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      It almost made me leave for good. New people haven't read all the posts and are not yet used to the culture.
      One of the things I see a lot of complaints about (on forums in general, not here specifically) is what we old-timers call "necroposting" - replying to an old thread when it may have been months or years since the last post.

      One of my favourite things to remind the veterans in those cases are "unread looks just like unread." When you first show up on a forum, there are hundreds of threads to read, and they all look the same. Some areas of the forum are less active than others, and you might have a thread just halfway down the first page that hasn't seen action in over a year.

      To the new user, every page of every forum is just a wall of unread threads. They all look the same. The one that got fresh posts this morning looks identical to the one that was last modified in 2007.

      Of course, I have little tolerance for abject stupidity, like when you come to a forum and ask a question that could have easily been answered with a quick search. Or when you post in the wrong forum because not enough people read the right one. (Here's a hint: the people who aren't reading that forum aren't reading it for a reason.) Or when you ask a question that only has one answer, and then complain when nobody gives you that answer.

      But those aren't about being new. They're just about being dumb.
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    Thanks for starting a thread like that one.

    I think, more and more people will be reading it and will definitely try to improve their behaviour. I really appreciate bringing this thing in the notice of many WF members.


    I feel it too. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I just noticed this in regards to a moved thread, the title now says:
    Can we PLEASE post review threads in the Review Forum?

    Prior to this thread, it was:
    Here's a cunning idea: Let's post SEO topics in the SEO forum.

    lol ... Personally, I like #2 best, but that's me. I love satire, but I imagine the change from #2 to #1 is due to this thread. Just a guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I just noticed this in regards to a moved thread, the title now says:
      Can we PLEASE post review threads in the Review Forum?

      Prior to this thread, it was:
      Here's a cunning idea: Let's post SEO topics in the SEO forum.

      lol ... Personally, I like #2 best, but that's me. I love satire, but I imagine the change from #2 to #1 is due to this thread. Just a guess.
      lol... Yeah.

      After Dan mentioned it earlier in the thread, the general tone of those "edits" seemed to change.

      I much preferred #2.. I like a chuckle
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    • Profile picture of the author kyhell
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I just noticed this in regards to a moved thread, the title now says:
      Can we PLEASE post review threads in the Review Forum?

      Prior to this thread, it was:
      Here's a cunning idea: Let's post SEO topics in the SEO forum.

      lol ... Personally, I like #2 best, but that's me. I love satire, but I imagine the change from #2 to #1 is due to this thread. Just a guess.
      there is no doubt that since this thread started there is a noticeable difference in the messages left when threads are moved. im curious if there will be an increase in threads posted in the wrong place or if it will remain the same.

      if it increases then i may have to rethink my theory on rudeness
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Of course, I have little tolerance for abject stupidity, like when you come to a forum and ask a question that could have easily been answered with a quick search.
    I even have tolerance for that in a lot of cases. If someone asks "What is the best membership software" it would do them no good to read posts from 2007 on the subject. If that topic was covered last week however, that's a different story.
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      If someone asks "What is the best membership software"
      That's a very subjective question, and the answer changes, so I don't consider that stupid.

      What I consider stupid are the factual questions. Like what a particular piece of software costs. Or where you can get that piece of software. Or what it does. I understand if you don't know whether it's worth the cost, or whether it's any good at what it does. (Those are kind of the same question.) But when you want to know something that is on the product's home page...
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      "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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    What is Google?
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    Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. -Winston Churchill

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      Originally Posted by Scott Ames View Post

      What is Google?
      Let me google that for you
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      "The Golden Town is the Golden Town no longer. They have sold their pillars for brass and their temples for money, they have made coins out of their golden doors. It is become a dark town full of trouble, there is no ease in its streets, beauty has left it and the old songs are gone." - Lord Dunsany, The Messengers
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        Sure there are rude people, direct people, flaky people, super nice people, and on and on. There are so many people here that you'll get all types of personalities that what makes this a great forum.

        Sure sometimes I get snippy. I'm only human and sometimes I get annoyed.

        When I graduated from college in 1992 my first job was as a customer service rep for a big company. That was 8 hours of people being rude. I've also been a security guard and my wife paid for college as a waitress. I had to bite my teeth sometimes when I was having a drink where she worked and people were so down-right nasty.

        So I've seen a lot more rudeness offline than I do here. It's human. So get over it!!!!! Just kidding on the rude closing.
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  • Profile picture of the author RochesterRoberts
    Originally Posted by kyhell View Post

    not really a rant more of a question but from time to time i see members as well as mods behave in a rather rude fashion.

    im curious as to why?

    when i see a member break the rules yes i get frustrated but i dont see any reason to be rude to them.

    when a member posts a thread in the wrong place why in the hell does the mod who moved the thread have to be so Rude with the comment they leave. to me This is nothing more then flaming but the worst kind as the person being flamed cant respond.

    is this not a marketing forum?
    I guess maybe i hold myself to a higher standard but i try and treat everyone as a friend and potential customer even when they do behave badly or make mistakes.

    Im tired of it to be quite honest and going forward im going to pay closer attention to those that feel being rude is an acceptable social practice and when i see that they have a product to peddle ill be the first in line NOT to buy their product.

    I dont care if the product will make me a millionaire with no effort , feed the hungry, save the whales and cure cancer! if the person who selling can only be polite when my wallet is open then they have nothing i want or need.

    ok so a rant this became and i apologize
    Don't even bother sir. People "DO What They Want", on the internet. Nothing will make them stop till they are buried and forgotten. I have posted similar posts like these on other forums and the mods tried to tell me I was trying to flame. In my honest opinion just don't post this "nice guy" stuff, you will get banned. People see what they want to see regardless of what you really meant. see you on the forums buddy.
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